YTSEJAM Digest 5430 Today's Topics: 1) about Macan's prog rock book by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" 2) Re: pops b/t mp3s by Adam Pye 3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5429 by "Rob Doyle" 4) DT covers by Dan Costello 5) Re: Mary by Amanda Rosenblum 6) Re: DT covers by WB Henderson 7) Re: Oh Holy Night by Amanda Rosenblum 8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5429 by mikel 9) ATTN:Nik Shay by Kurt M Hampton 10) Re: pops b/t mp3s by Andrew Coutermarsh 11) Re: Days of the New by email_address_removed 12) Bootlegs by email_address_removed 13) Suicide flash....which video, which song ? by email_address_removed 14) Re: Rocking the Classics by Mark Peters 15) Mary by "James Gibbons" 16) buh-bye by "Trevor W. Hoit" 17) Billboard Guide to Progressive Rock by WB Henderson 18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5429 by "Joe DeAngelo" 19) re: Acoustic bootlegs by Pat Griffin 20) Metallica/Napster news by Brian Hansen 21) Re: ytsejamp skin by "=?iso-8859-7?B?wePj5evv8g==?=" 22) my new tab page by Drew Schinzel 23) Re: Metallica/Napster news by Brad Plumb 24) my idea of fun by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:31:57 PDT From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: about Macan's prog rock book Message-ID: If anyone's interested in a slightly longer review of the book "Rocking the Classics", take a look at the following: http://www.stlawu.edu/shor:http/Rush/books/macan.htm It's not mine, but since i just happened to visit that page the same day that book wasreferenced on the Jam, i felt a weird need to point it out..... partha (brought to you by the letters MRI) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:48:06 -0400 From: Adam Pye To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: pops b/t mp3s Message-ID: Andrew said: >file. Guaranteed. The reason for this is that MP3 encodes with a weird >format that REQUIRES it to be a certain file size or length based on the >original file. That means that if it's not PERFECTLY the right size >(we're talking in terms of BYTES, people), then it will add silence at the >end of the file to make it accomodate the format. I'm not sure exactly >how it works (I used to have the technical specs somewhere). Not sure about this. What you said above is exactly what I"m talking about. The "sector size" I was referring to is equal to 2352 byes (people), which is what I think you were talking about. For the record, I have several CDs from mp3s sans pops... >I thought that since Bogie had such >a good recording that it wouldn't matter, but when I listened to it, I >noticed that my copy had MUCH better highs and was overall just cleaner. >It's not exactly perfect, though. A lot of that is the conversion to MP3. You can use 256k+ MP3s to minimize this, but then the file sizes get too big for most modem users. Which is why I love being able to download the original in WAV format on the good 'ol DSL line. :) There's a huge different between the "real thing" and MP3 - most people don't realize this... Adam _________________________________________________ Adam Pye alpine1(-at-)mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~alpine1 ^^ Above URL for tape/cd list w/ setlists __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:42:43 -0500 From: "Rob Doyle" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5429 Message-ID: <004901bfa5a1$f6e6c5e0$488ace80@.dhcp.missouri.edu> >Wow, that would kick ass! I can actually see that and maybe the >theme from Gremlins :). hey, you bastard! I thought WE were gonna do the theme from Gremlins!! - Rob Doyle Community Educator - Fine Arts Residential College University of Missouri - Columbia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:02:24 -0400 From: Dan Costello To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DT covers Message-ID: I think a cool DT cover would be VH's "Hot for Teacher" I know JP doesn't do a whole lot of tapping stuff, but how cool would that be? Or how about "Sexual Healing"? :-) -Dan. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:15:54 -0700 From: Amanda Rosenblum To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Mary Message-ID: > Come on, if you listen closely to the CD, it's obvious that Nicholas shot > Mary and JFK, Jr because Dr. X was in a love triangle with The Miracle and > the Sleeper. I don't know Pat... the Cigarette Smoking Man took out JFK and Martin Luther King, Jr. I wouldn't rule out the possibility that he killed Mary too. ~~Amanda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:23:01 -0400 From: WB Henderson To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: DT covers Message-ID: Dan Costello wrote: >I think a cool DT cover would be VH's "Hot for Teacher" >I know JP doesn't do a whole lot of tapping stuff, but how cool would >that be? They do cover "Hot For Teacher", well, a little teaser-y bit of it anyway. They did, at least, at this tour's Philadelphia show. Another good theme to cover: "Fletch". Did you hear Chevy Chase died in a boating accident? Brian ================================== WB Henderson email_address_removed WIXQ ON-LINE: http://www.wixq.com Automaton Hit Parade (progrock radio): http://www.millersville.edu/~wixq/Automaton ================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:19:25 -0700 From: Amanda Rosenblum To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Oh Holy Night Message-ID: > JAmes on John P do Silent Man and James NAILS THE F*ck out of > Oh Holy Night. I guess it's the fact that I'm a demented South Park fan, but when I saw James sing this at the 98 Christmas shows, I couldn't help but think of Cartman singing it and getting the hell shocked out of him cus he forgot the words. :) I was waiting for Myung to step out of the shadows and nail him with a taser gun. ~~Amanda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:43:12 +1000 From: mikel To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5429 Message-ID: Yer I borrowed this book once which was the Billboard Guide to Prog Rock or something. Basically it was just this guy going through his very extensive collection of Prog and detailed descriptions of the band and recommending different CDs. However once again theres hardly anything from after 1980, no prog metal. He also leaves out a few bands like Rush which is a bit strange. Worth picking up though if you're interested in getting into early Prog Rock. > I've just finished the book "Rocking the Classics" by Edward Macan, > (mostly) concerning English progressive rock. It gives some insight into > the history of progressive rock and the connection to psychedelic rock and the > hippie movement, the actual style of the music, the lyrical and visual > concepts, the sociology of the genre etc. There's also a chapter explaining > the awful treatment the music has received from rock critics. The only thing > I could have wished for would have been some mention of progressive metal > (the book was published in 97). It makes very interesting reading > though and I strongly recommend it. > Btw, does anyone know of any other good books concerning the same subject? > Are there any books about progressive metal? If not it may > actually be a good sign, telling that the peak of the genre has not yet > been passed :) > > Erik ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:31:40 -0500 From: Kurt M Hampton To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: ATTN:Nik Shay Message-ID: I lost your address, but thanks for copying the St Louis show again for me, thsi one is WAYYYYY better. I got it today. Kurt NP-DT in St Louis HEY ABBOTT (I think thats what well call this one) "and though it leads to nowhere, you part debris and keep on going" - Doubledrive "Gone" "Im inspired and content"-Dream Theater "Scarred" 45.2 % of Americans pee in the shower ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:33:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: pops b/t mp3s Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Apr 2000, Adam Pye wrote: > >I thought that since Bogie had such a good recording that it wouldn't > >matter, but when I listened to it, I noticed that my copy had MUCH > >better highs and was overall just cleaner. It's not exactly perfect, > >though. > > A lot of that is the conversion to MP3. You can use 256k+ MP3s to > minimize this, but then the file sizes get too big for most modem > users. Which is why I love being able to download the original in WAV > format on the good 'ol DSL line. :) There's a huge different between > the "real thing" and MP3 - most people don't realize this... If it's the conversion to MP3 that makes the difference, then I suggest Bogie get a different encoder. I made some demos of my recording and it still sounds much better than Bogie's version (nothing against him, of course. ;)) You can hear 30 second demos of the files I encoded at: http://cout.dhs.org/ft.mp3 http://cout.dhs.org/tdoe.mp3 http://cout.dhs.org/finallyfree.mp3 They're all encoded at 192Kbps using AudioCatalyst 2.0. ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- The only stupid question is the one that is never asked, except maybe "Don't you think it's about time you audited my tax return?" or "But officer, isn't it morally wrong to give me a warning when, in fact, I was speeding?" ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:09:51 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Days of the New Message-ID: In a message dated 4/13/00 6:26:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ytsejam@torchsong.com writes: << I agree with whoever it was that said Days of the New rocks and needs more fans, they have a great song in 7 on their first album, havent heard their 2nd. . . yet. >> Personally, I think they're just a blatant rip off of Alice in Chains acoustic side. Travis Meeks sounds like he's trying to BE Layne Staley. Just my opinion though..... -Mike C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:16:57 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Bootlegs Message-ID: Does anyone have some cool DT bootlegs they could trade me? Particularly Dance of Eternity and Acoustic Dreams? I'm afraid I don't really have much in terms of DT bootlegs myself (just the X-mas cds basically), but maybe I could trade some blank CDRs or something? If anyone can help me, please email me. Thanks! -Mike C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:37:28 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Suicide flash....which video, which song ? Message-ID: Can someone tell me which video, and in which song, does the word suicide flash on the screen ? video mindcrime ? Livecrime ? which song ? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 02:07:31 -0500 From: Mark Peters To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Rocking the Classics Message-ID: ]From: Erik Wahlen : > Btw, does anyone know of any other good books concerning the same subject? > Are there any books about progressive metal? If not it may > actually be a good sign, telling that the peak of the genre has not yet > been passed :) Well, I've got a book called "The Progressive Rock Files" by Jerry Lucky. Lots of obscure prog bands are mentioned here. It includes a CD with two live Pink Floyd tunes, "Interstellar Overdrive" and "Nick's Boogie," and two interviews. It's a good book - 304 pages with lots of pictures. I had to pay $27 for it paperback, though. Hope that helped! Take care, Mark Peters email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:43:12 -0600 From: "James Gibbons" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Mary Message-ID: Time for my semi-annual de-lurk here... Mary killed herself...I believe that what the following line from Eyes of a Stranger is referring to: "Every night the dreams return to haunt me Your rosary wrapped around your throat I lie awake and sweat, afraid to fall asleep I see your face looking back at me" Just my 2cents.... BTW: May I point out how grossly unfair life is when Queensryche has played here in Indy on just about every tour, but I have YET to see Dream Theater! I know, I know, some of you drive hundreds of miles to see them, but I just ain't got that kind of dough! :-) NP: Holst: The Planets ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 06:49:46 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "Trevor W. Hoit" Subject: buh-bye Message-ID: Hi all, This is Trevor. Some of you may know me as Uncle Trevor. Anyway, I will no longer be at this email address. My new one will most likely be email_address_removed but in the meantime you can reach me at email_address_removed Or my cell phone is 206-234-9492. If a woman answers, hang up. :) Trevor Hoit ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:43:39 -0400 From: WB Henderson To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Billboard Guide to Progressive Rock Message-ID: Mike of Oz wrote: >Yer I borrowed this book once which was the Billboard Guide to Prog Rock >or something. >Basically it was just this guy going through his very extensive collection >of Prog and detailed >descriptions of the band and recommending different CDs. However once >again theres hardly >anything from after 1980, no prog metal. He also leaves out a few bands >like Rush which is >a bit strange. Worth picking up though if you're interested in getting >into early Prog Rock. My sister gave me the same book Christmas last year. Rush, while not exactly a progrock band, wasn't the only one left out of the book. He didn't make any mention at all of any of the rather popular neoprog bands: Marillion, IQ, etc. Gentle Giant, whom many consider to be one of the cornerstones of prog, wasn't in there either, nor were many other bands much more influential and essential to the progressive rock movement than a lot of the ones he lists in there. The book is a good read in that it does have some detailed reviews of albums, but it shouldn't have been called "The Billboard Guide To Progressive Rock". Should've been: "My Music Collection: A Detailed Analysis". Calling it a guide to the genre infers that it's meant to sort of define it, and give a broad overview of the major players. It don't, aside from talking a little bit about its origins from psychedelia and its growth into the tamed-down, more accessible genre of "new age". It's no surprise that progmetal wasn't listed, though. A lot of oldschool prog diehards don't consider it a serious genre. Also, the author (forget his name) looks totally wasted in his "about the author" picture. Just my two scents. Brian [NP...Gentle Giant -- The Power and the Glory] ================================== WB Henderson email_address_removed WIXQ ON-LINE: http://www.wixq.com Automaton Hit Parade (progrock radio): http://www.millersville.edu/~wixq/Automaton ================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:26:03 -0400 From: "Joe DeAngelo" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5429 Message-ID: <003e01bfa625$bf05eaa0$message_id_removed> > Woo, more opportunities for file wherehousing! ;) Whoa...... the first time I read this (scanning through the Jam pretty quickly) I thought it said "free whore-housing" Geez...... shows where my mind is......... - Joe D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:40:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Pat Griffin To: ThE NuGgeTjAm Subject: re: Acoustic bootlegs Message-ID: "Jason Gelnett" wrote: > I am looking for some ACOUSTIC boots...any help out there. > > Creed > Matchbox 20 > Fuel > Toad the Wet Sprocket > Bon Jovi > Cranberries > 8 stops 7 > Vertical Horizon > Jars of Clay Dude, April 1st was two weeks ago. :) h t t p : / / w w w . r e a l i t y s q u a r e d . c o m / | Pat Griffin email_address_removed Reality Squared Design | h t t p : / / w w w . r e a l i t y s q u a r e d . c o m / ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:18:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Metallica/Napster news Message-ID: Metallica Files Copyright Lawsuit SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Heavy metal rock band Metallica has accused three universities and the makers of a popular Internet music sharing software of copyright infringement and racketeering. The federal lawsuit contends San Mateo, Calif.-based Napster Inc., the University of Southern California, Yale University and Indiana University encouraged users of Napster software to trade copyrighted material without the band's permission. "We take our craft - whether it be the music, the lyrics, or the photos and artwork very seriously, as do most artists," Metallica drummer Lars Ulrich said in a statement on the Elektra Records Web site. "It is therefore sickening to know that our art is being traded like a commodity rather than the art that it is." Metallica alleges the universities allowed free trade of copyrighted songs to flourish by failing to block access to the Napster sharing program, thereby violating the federal Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act. "We regret that the band's management saw fit to issue a press release - and to file a lawsuit - without even attempting to contact Napster," said Eileen Richardson, the company's chief executive officer. "But if these people insist on turning it over to lawyers, we'll defend the case on that turf." Napster also has been sued by the Recording Industry Association of America in federal court in San Francisco. The trade group, which represents major recording labels, alleged copyright infringement by Napster and is seeking $100,000 for each song traded using Napster software. At least seven universities are known to have blocked access to Napster because its use by students downloading audio files have slowed their computer networks to a crawl. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:31:05 +0300 From: "=?iso-8859-7?B?wePj5evv8g==?=" To: Subject: Re: ytsejamp skin Message-ID: <01bfa637$3631aae0$message_id_removed.gr> you must run it from where you dloaded it. just run the file, and it automaticly launches winamp with the ytseamp skin. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:52:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Drew Schinzel To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: my new tab page Message-ID: Hey all, just letting everyone know that I just recently put up a new guitar tablature page with original tabs of songs (done by me) you won't really find tabbed elsewhere from these bands: Amorphis Bolt Thrower Edge of Sanity The Gathering Katatonia Nightwish Ophthalamia Satyricon Skyclad Stratovarius Therion I update the page all the time, and coming soon are 4 tabs from Stratovarius (2 from Infinite and 2 from Destiny), another new Nightwish song, new Therion, and another Skyclad, among others. So come over and check it out ! I take requests and submissions, so get on your horse and come see what I have to offer. Thanks ! Drew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:28:54 +0000 From: Brad Plumb To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Metallica/Napster news Message-ID: >"We take our craft - whether it be the music, the >lyrics, or the photos and artwork very seriously, as >do most artists," Metallica drummer Lars Ulrich said >in a statement on the Elektra Records Web site. "It is >therefore sickening to know that our art is being >traded like a commodity rather than the art that it >is." What fucking bullshit! BUYING and SELLING music is what makes music a commodity. This sickening trading Lars is talking about is what will give it freedom. The only reason to allow music as a commercial industry is so the artist gets compensation for his work, but we all know that doesn't happen anyway. *waiting for the flames* Palpatine www.pi-r-squared.com/brad/ Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai "Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel "There is nothing more pragmatic than idealism" -David Mamet ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:02:27 PDT From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: my idea of fun Message-ID: sending e-mail to the fools who're bidding $50 and up on DT sfam shows that with just a little patience and knowledge, they could obtain copies of for $10 or less, depending on who they're trading with. I've just hit three people who've participated in sending the Roseland, NYC show's price up to $80 with a message pointing them at http://www.snowhill.com/~bvaughn/tree.htm where the madtabber's set up a cd-r tree for folks to get that show for a far more friendly cost..... partha ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5430 **************************