YTSEJAM Digest 5418 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Metropolis: Compendium by Janne Jokitalo 2) Re: dt faq joke by Janne Jokitalo 3) Re: overplaying by Janne Jokitalo 4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5417 by "HJ Rivera" 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5417 by "Carlos A. Alfaro" 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5417 by email_address_removed 7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5417 by email_address_removed 8) I HAVE IT! HoB show available by Andrew Coutermarsh 9) The Sixth Sense by "Steven Zebrowski" 10) Re: The Sixth Sense by email_address_removed 11) What a bunch of c*nts! by "Gallop, Neil" 12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5417 by mikel 13) *** FAQ Update (for real) / April Fools *** by Pat Griffin 14) RS and music journalism by "Mats Rydstrom" 15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5417 by Janne Jokitalo 16) CDs for sale by Ian Jeffcock 17) Ytse Pics by email_address_removed 18) Mike Bahr by email_address_removed 19) Re: Aghora by John Parks 20) a little help from my friends! by "phairgirl" 21) Re: a little help from my friends! by Emre Topuzoglu 22) Partha.... email me please by "Joe DeAngelo" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 00:40:51 +0300 From: Janne Jokitalo To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Metropolis: Compendium Message-ID: "Awake ." wrote: > > I'd just like to say - on behalf of everyone who linked > to the FAQ via UACM on saturday - that this was the > funniest thing I've seen in a long time! :) > > Even if it did take me reading it through twice before I > realised what fucking date it was!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > ~Simon > I bet the number of ytsejam subscribers suddenly dropped to half cause everyone with a bad heart collapsed when remembering the date... I almost did ;-P - Winger __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 00:45:46 +0300 From: Janne Jokitalo To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: dt faq joke Message-ID: "Carlos A. Alfaro" wrote: > > can anyone post the URL? > > Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. > mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed http://www.gabbo.net/dt/faq/ WARNING !!! Watch it, be sure you have ye nitros near you...;) - Winger __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 00:58:17 +0300 From: Janne Jokitalo To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: overplaying Message-ID: Brad Plumb wrote: > > I remember that, but I remember seeing it about Rick Wright. "No offense to > Rick, but, I don't know how he gets his hands to move that slow". Sometimes > I wish he would do some slow moody stuff. > > Palpatine You might be right, it's a long time I read that... It was the point that was funny thou', since I haven't heard the guy (whoever it was about) anyway ;-P - Winger __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:50:34 -0400 From: "HJ Rivera" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5417 Message-ID: <010501bf9cf5$daec40e0$message_id_removed> > Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 10:21:54 PDT > From: "Fran Brennan" > To: ytsejam@torchsong.com > Subject: re: overplaying + prog rap > Message-ID: > > The intro to OLT is supposed to be winding down from TDOE, and every instrument goes > at it simple, restrained, perfect, but then Jordan has to go on and wank, as if > he just *had* to get this quick "run" in there somewhere. Just like in TSCO where Petrucci comes out of a beautiful, passionate solo and then speeds up to shred as if he this was an LTE album. I just don't see how people can complain about Jordan yet Petrucci's shred-fest is "ok." Listen to the ending of THE when they play it live. That's a serious case of overplaying if you ask me. joe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 19:20:28 -0500 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5417 Message-ID: > Just like in TSCO where Petrucci comes out of a beautiful, passionate solo > and then speeds up to shred as if he this was an LTE album. I just don't see > how people can complain about Jordan yet Petrucci's shred-fest is "ok." > Listen to the ending of THE when they play it live. That's a serious case of > overplaying if you ask me. > > > > joe I havent had the oportunity to hear THE live, but in the spirit carries on, JP's solo w/ the fast runs fits well there, because the songs is by no means winding down!, its the building up point leading up to the climax , the last chorus, when james sings it higher and the female singers' gospel "vocalizing" is heard louder. It wouldve been wankery if he were to have shredded his way out of the end of the song, where the piano is doing its thing, with the female singer vocalizing alone, THAT wouldve been out of place... Come into this night, Your plight alone Carry your weight, You are flawed as all of us Come into this night, You only home It´s never too late, To repent, suffer the loss Opeth : Benighted Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 19:23:40 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5417 Message-ID: For the most part, I agree with you. Jordan happens to be my least favorite DT key guy so far that is too bad...he is by far better than DS and to put him over jordan in all categories is most unfortunate to you...u just dont see were JR is coming from....now someone else said that they wish that JR could play some slow moody type things well then check out his solo stuff...he has to great moody albums...and he has only played On 1 Dt album remember that....im sure down the road we will see some Moody stuff Relax! dustro ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 19:29:52 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5417 Message-ID: >< Just like in TSCO where Petrucci comes out of a beautiful, passionate solo and then speeds up to shred as if he this was an LTE album. I just don't see how people can complain about Jordan yet Petrucci's shred-fest is "ok." Listen to the ending of THE when they play it live. That's a serious case of overplaying if you ask me. >< The solo in TSCO fit very well, but the solo at the beginning of THE live was completely tasteless, as was most of Jordan's solo, IMO. In fact, most of their individual solos I find to be completely pointless. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:55:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: I HAVE IT! HoB show available Message-ID: I know that Bogie is going to be uploading this thing to LitS, but for anybody who doesn't have the time to download this show, I have it all ready for burning. It's GREAT quality, and for any of you who "couldn't afford" to do the Pay-Per-View on it for the broadband, shame on you. (Those of you who don't have high-speed Internet access are waived from this dressing-down. THIS time.) It was an incredible show, and I did manage to get an audio recording of it. It's in its raw stages right now (I'm going to do a little cleaning up here and there, see if I can't make it sound a little better in places), but if anybody is willing to make a trade, I'm all ears. Just be aware that I have NO blank CDs and as such I won't be able to burn any until I can buy some, but we can still work something out if you're interested. I'm not sure who else did record this besides me and Bogie (just the audio portion, that is), but if you did, contact me and maybe we can do a sort of tree-type thing with it. This is DEFINITELY a must-have for any boot collector, because of its extraordinarily high quality (I don't necessarily mean MY recording, I just mean the show itself). ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- "I'm not a vegetarian because I like animals. I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants." -- A. Whitney Brown ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 23:36:02 -0400 From: "Steven Zebrowski" To: Subject: The Sixth Sense Message-ID: <000701bf9d1d$bf08ca60$0200010a@steve> I'd like to thank everyone for COMPLETELY ruining this movie for me. How about some spoiler warnings next time. Thanks. STeve Z ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 00:35:35 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense Message-ID: >< I'd like to thank everyone for COMPLETELY ruining this movie for me. How about some spoiler warnings next time. Thanks. >< The subject specifically said "The Sixth Sense -SPOILERS- (if you haven't seen it, don't read)" so if you read it, it's your fault. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 08:34:54 +0200 From: "Gallop, Neil" To: "'The Ytsejam Mailing list'" Subject: What a bunch of c*nts! Message-ID: Hi all I had the opportunity of seeing Dream Theater in Offenbach, Germany on Saturday, and I would like to thank each member of the band personally for ruining any other concert that I may be going to for the rest of this year. Nothing, simply nothing will even vaguely compare to the performance that the boys put on over the weekend. Stunning? Stunned more like it. The normal moronic head banging movement was universally replaced by people shaking their heads in disbelief. Everybody knows that it's impossible to play music like "Scenes From A Memory" live, yet their were 5 people up on the stage doing just that, and in perfection. Bastards! Couldn't they have made just one little mistake? I'll bet a lot of musicians in the audience went home after the concert and burned their instruments. I've been going to concerts now for some 28 years, and this has to be one of the best performances, if not the best performance, that I've seen and heard by anybody. It was my 5th time for Dream Theater, and I've never experienced them this good before. Sometimes in some of the intrumental passages I almost had to pinch myself to remind myself that this wasn't the CD, but rather that it was being played live. To all you people who have tickets for the remaining shows - I envy you. And hire Jordan if you're holding a wedding or a party soon. stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (email_address_removed) Currently playing: SHEAVY - Celestial Hi-Fi PS It was nice to see Spock's Beard go down so well: a great (if too short) set from a band that always comes up with the goods. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 16:39:28 +1000 From: mikel To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5417 Message-ID: > I remember that, but I remember seeing it about Rick Wright. "No offense to > Rick, but, I don't know how he gets his hands to move that slow". Sometimes > I wish he would do some slow moody stuff. I don't particularly mind if he plays fast all the time (which he does). Its just one of those things that he does, and that he does better than pretty much anyone else. He does do slow moody stuff (check out Secret of the Muse). Its just slow and moody with squillions of notes (which is a neat trick). I'd prefer to hear a musician do stuff they can do well and leave the other stuff for other musicians. Thats not to say that versatility isn't good, but it doesn't really matter unless you have to work with the guy.... if you know what i mean. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 02:15:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Pat Griffin To: ThE NuGgeTjAm Subject: *** FAQ Update (for real) / April Fools *** Message-ID: I hope you all enjoyed the April Fool's Day FAQ joke. My sincere apologies to any and all who got overly excited as a result. :) If you missed it, you can still check it out from section 8.5 of the FAQ. Speaking of the FAQ, I've put a legitimate update online. It has mostly updates and corrections. Again, I am sorry for the lack of SFaM material, I will add stuff in as soon as I get ahold of Portnoy. Also, it seems there is no longer a link to the Official DT FAQ from the Official DT website (www.dreamtheater.com). Until Mark corrects this error, you will have to visit the FAQ directly at: http://www.gabbo.net/dt/faq/ While you are there, be sure to bookmark the FAQ directly so you always have the most recent version. You can also check out my DT section for some of my other DT resources, as well as the 1996 Ytsejam Mailing List t-shirts at a reduced price. http://www.gabbo.net/dt/ Later! h t t p : / / w w w . r e a l i t y s q u a r e d . c o m / | Pat Griffin email_address_removed Reality Squared Design | h t t p : / / w w w . r e a l i t y s q u a r e d . c o m / ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:12:10 +0200 From: "Mats Rydstrom" To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" Subject: RS and music journalism Message-ID: I think some of you need to cut Rolling Stone some slack. If you cared to look inside the N'Sync cover issue, you'd had found stories on Phish and Steely Dan, amongst other well written pieces of information. You can't exactly blame them for not putting DT on the cover, RS covers the important major events in pop culture and they do it better than most. You COULD argue that they should mention DT in a "on tour" news section, or review the album, or review a gig, but that's about it. Be reasonable, their popularity and/or "star quality" doesn't measure up to BSB or Eminem or whoever is considered "hot" by the masses. For good quality pop/lifestyle journalism I'll gladly read RS, or even better - Q and MOJO - for as long as I care about music. Q reviewed OiaLT, Mojo usually reviews Spock's Beard, and has recently featured long articles on King Crimson, Steely Dan and Pink Floyd. If you don't care for RS, do check out MOJO. It's a retro-fan's wet dream! /Mats NP: Motorhead - Everything Louder Than Everyone Else ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mats Rydström - Music & Technology Editor SLITZ - SCANDINAVIA'S LEADING MEN'S MAGAZINE mats.rydstrom@slitz.se - www.slitz.se ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Buy More to Save More SALE @ CD Now: http://www.cdnow.com/from=sr-733163 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 17:30:20 +0300 From: Janne Jokitalo To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5417 Message-ID: "Carlos A. Alfaro" wrote: > > > Just like in TSCO where Petrucci comes out of a beautiful, passionate solo > > and then speeds up to shred as if he this was an LTE album. I just don't see > > how people can complain about Jordan yet Petrucci's shred-fest is "ok." > > Listen to the ending of THE when they play it live. That's a serious case of > > overplaying if you ask me. > I havent had the oportunity to hear THE live, but in the spirit carries on, JP's > solo w/ the fast runs fits well there, because the songs is by no means winding > down!, its the building up point leading up to the climax , the last chorus, > when james sings it higher and the female singers' gospel "vocalizing" is heard > louder. I agree on the album thing, it's nice there, fits okay, no prob... But live... man, that sucks !! I used to listen to a lot of guitars, and the more the shredding, the happier I was ;-P But, these days it's more about the song, the writing, the band playing together... Not about how good individual player can move his fingers... Of course I understand that there are people who have come to see that kinda thing, but sometimes they just go so over. IMHO at least ;) - Winger __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 22:37:39 +0800 From: Ian Jeffcock To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: CDs for sale Message-ID: I have the following CDs for sale. Prices are in US$ and include postage and packaging. $8 Dream Theater Awake (European pressing) $15 Dream Theater Dream Out Loud (original KTS bootleg CD) $26 Dream Theater Lords Of Sound (original KTS bootleg double CD) $26 Dream Theater Mind Control (original KTS bootleg double CD) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:06:22 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Ytse Pics Message-ID: I just found this little Jem of a web site. Cant believe I missed this before. http://www.tequila.demon.co.uk/ All Jammers should check this out and send your pics to it. Its nice to be able to put a face with the names. Not to mention there are some nice lookin' chicks there too!!!! Anyway, look forward to seeing you there. Later, Ultraking ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:08:51 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Mike Bahr Message-ID: I have to ask this one more time (especially now that I've seen a picture of this person). Who is Mike Bahr? I've seen a large number of posts about him, none of which painted a very pretty portrait, but I still dont know what the deal is. I hate being left out of a good mystery! Someone please clue me in. You can e-mail me privately also if you want to. Thanks for the info in advance, Ultraking ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:35:25 -0700 (PDT) From: John Parks To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Aghora Message-ID: You wrote... > For everyone who likes DT, you should really check out > Aghora. I think > they're from Florida. They're kind of a progressive > metal, almost kind of a > DT edge to them. And I bought their new album, and it > blew me away. If > anyone reads metal-rules.com, they reviewed their 1998 > demo, and there's an > mp3 of one of the songs there. They have a female lead > singer, who is > absolutely amazing, kinda eerie sounding essence to it. > But they have some > good mp3s up on their page (www.aghora.org I think), and > they're completely > DIY. Which brings me to another point, if anyone here is > a fan and has any > live recordings of them, pass them along. > > Louis > Hey Louis. I just ordered their cd last night from Lasers Edge along with the new Platypus. I didn't even know it had been released until I checked at Lasers Edge. The soundclips I've heard do rock and I can't wait to get this cd. It has two of my favorite Musicians: Sean Malone and Sean Reinert. thanks for the link to their website. later john parks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:16:56 -0500 From: "phairgirl" To: "ytsejam" Subject: a little help from my friends! Message-ID: <002101bf9da9$8f4bb300$message_id_removed> Hey, jammers. If you've ever experienced oldsk00l ASCII text file madness, you've probably seen everything from anarchy files to silly stories to song lyrics. Well, I'm currently working on an upcoming issue of aNAda e'zine that will be the END-ALL, BE-ALL of lyrics text files. So far, I've got almost 400K of lyrics, and that's just from two people My goal is to make this file "Too Big For Floppy." So my request is, SEND THE LYRICS TO ALL YOUR FAVORITE SONGS TO email_address_removed -- Don't bother sending Dream Theater lyrics, they're already there :) And Chroma Key as well. The deadline is April 15. So either transcribe them yourself, steal them off a website, or copy them from the liner notes. This file *will* have copyright notices attached, so don't worry about that. I'm serious. ANY OF YOUR FAVORITE SONGS. ALL OF THEM. I need a lot more prog, a lot more European stuff, a lot more obscure things that people don't hear every day. It will make me a happy girl. Thanks for any help you can give! --phairgirl `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` aNAda e'zine: http://www.anada.net e-mail: email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 23:33:25 +0300 From: Emre Topuzoglu To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: a little help from my friends! Message-ID: what is my reward for that ? a kiss,a dinner,a date ??!!? .... j/k ;pppp Im pereparing them to send, well meet again my friend,someday soon... BYE phairgirl wrote: > > Hey, jammers. > > If you've ever experienced oldsk00l ASCII text file madness, you've probably > seen everything from anarchy files to silly stories to song lyrics. > > Well, I'm currently working on an upcoming issue of aNAda e'zine that will > be the END-ALL, BE-ALL of lyrics text files. So far, I've got almost 400K of > lyrics, and that's just from two people > > My goal is to make this file "Too Big For Floppy." > > So my request is, SEND THE LYRICS TO ALL YOUR FAVORITE SONGS TO > email_address_removed -- Don't bother sending Dream Theater lyrics, they're > already there :) And Chroma Key as well. > > The deadline is April 15. So either transcribe them yourself, steal them off > a website, or copy them from the liner notes. This file *will* have > copyright notices attached, so don't worry about that. > > I'm serious. ANY OF YOUR FAVORITE SONGS. ALL OF THEM. I need a lot more > prog, a lot more European stuff, a lot more obscure things that people don't > hear every day. It will make me a happy girl. > > Thanks for any help you can give! > > --phairgirl > > `'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` > aNAda e'zine: http://www.anada.net > e-mail: email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:00:05 -0400 From: "Joe DeAngelo" To: Subject: Partha.... email me please Message-ID: <001501bf9daf$96880f00$message_id_removed> Sorry to clutter the Jam with private info...... :( Hey Partha, could you email me? In my absentmindedness, I misplaced your email address! Sorry! - Joe D. ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5418 **************************