YTSEJAM Digest 5363 Today's Topics: 1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5361 by "I-Man" 2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5360 by Dan Costello 3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5356 by email_address_removed 4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5360 by "Adam Yarter" 5) Re: Boy Bands by email_address_removed 6) ytsejam digest 5361 by Jon Parmet (DTS-52) 7) Jazz Guitarists/Al DiMeola by Greg Kristianson 8) Traci Lords (was Re: Carmen Electra) by Jon Parmet (DTS-52) 9) welcoming in the new millenium by Jon Parmet (DTS-52) 10) James on the drums?!? ATLANTA show review... by Adam Pye 11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5361 by Adam Pye 12) Kez, guns, and Coldfire.. What a combo! by "Al @ Switchcraft" 13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5360 by Andrew Coutermarsh 14) Re: Thought disorder, gun control... by Trent 15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5361 by "gaz" 16) Re: Kez, guns, and Coldfire.. What a combo! by "gaz" 17) RE: YTSEJAM digest 5362 by "Greg Stafford" 18) Re: Kez, guns, and Coldfire.. What a combo! by Andrew Coutermarsh 19) die corporate music die!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by Joe Bissonnette 20) guns in america by email_address_removed 21) You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers. by "Korg Ecksthrey" 22) Re: Kez, guns, and Coldfire.. What a combo! by "gaz" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 23:38:12 -0500 From: "I-Man" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5361 Message-ID: <006001bf8401$2d514dc0$626c8acf@freelark> Guys, guys, guys, please! Not only is this seriously NDTC, but NO GOOD can come from this topic. /I-Man places hand on hip, points, and says, "Oh NO! Don't go there!" as his head orbits his neck. > > This is such a loaded and off-topic subject that I'm not going to get into > it, except to say one thing: it's quite sloppy brainwork to apply the > experience of one culture to another, when they have completely different > mores and situations. Most Euros think they're superior because of their > anti-gun legislation... > -Brian > > On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Martin Wilde wrote: > > > Don't you really think it's time that America grew up and restricted gun > > sales to the army and police? You're not living in a frontier state now, > > guys. Why do you need to have the damn things? We don't need them in > > Europe. Our civil liberties are not infringed by our being legally unable to > > possess a weapon to shoot eachother with when we're tempted to..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:52:34 -0500 From: Dan Costello To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5360 Message-ID: In an epiphany, KorgX3 uttered: >I *seriously* think they should execute that 6 year old kid in Michigan and > set an example to kids that this sort of shit is intolerable. Fuck peace > and love. Yeah, and fry the jackass who gave him the gun, too. I'm all for 2nd amendment rights, but stupid people deserve to die. Although, somebody had a not-too-shabby idea of beating the crap out of 'em in public. Ya know, if we were feeling curious, we hook the two of 'em up in parallel, fry 'em at the same time and find out which one of them has (had) a higher electrical impedence. Then some dumbass (trying to kindle the flames... :-) posted this. >Don't you really think it's time that America grew up and restricted gun >sales to the army and police? You're not living in a frontier state now, >guys. Why do you need to have the damn things? We don't need them in >Europe. Our civil liberties are not infringed by our being legally unable to >possess a weapon to shoot eachother with when we're tempted to..... hey, why don't you go to www.worldnetdaily.com and read the story about the two seperate instances in Houston in the last week in which armed convenience store workers have protected themselves and their customers from armed robbers. Wait... DUH!!! Stupid me, I can't believe I didn't catch it before - you're a friggin' SOCIALIST EUROPEAN. OF COURSE you're against guns. Every european I talk to says we should get rid of guns. Yeah, maybe when it comes around, WW3 will knock some sense into you guys after we go over their and save your asses AGAIN! -Dan. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------- God save the queen! ... We've done it twice now, it's someone else's turn! ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 23:35:34 EST From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5356 Message-ID: << Some cool things: Amazing Grace before Through Her Eyes (thanks Sarah for noticing!) >> Yes, this was EXTREMELY cool! -Mike C. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:47:51 -0800 From: "Adam Yarter" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5360 Message-ID: <001001bf6ba6$576bf7e0$fb72fea9@adamyart> > I *seriously* think they should execute that 6 year > old kid in Michigan and set an example to kids that > this sort of shit is intolerable. Fuck peace and > love. You cocksucker!! No, just kidding. I'm not sure about execution, but I think that the fucking kid should be tried as an adult. He took someone's life. Let the state take his away from him. Execution? Maybe. Life in prison? Hopefully It's hard for me to say that, just because at six you don't understand what you did. Then again, where do you draw that line? I'm sick of people taking the lives of others for no reason. They should throw that kid in juvie till he's 18, then try his ass as an adult. That's how I feel about gangsters too. I live in Cali, and I'm accustomed to hearing about "some homie poppin' a cap in another's ass". My sis is involved with these people, and I hate it. I think that if you're in a gang, you've commited murder by assosciation. I mean, my god... This killing spree has to end somewhere, and if executing a 6 year old does it, so be it. Livecrime ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 23:47:09 EST From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Boy Bands Message-ID: << I'm surpsrised at how many of you people could still continue to watch Pro 'wrestling' after making such accusations. Pro Wrestling is completely manufactured and fake, no? Oh, but is that different? >> It sure is. There are no forms of professional wrestling that aren't like this, as opposed to music. Plus, 100% of the audience of porfessional wrestling knows it isn't real. And it's only the outcomes that are predetermined. Make no mistake, people can get pretty damn hurt in those matches. When Mick Foley falls off the top of the hel in a cell cage, he really falls. And no one takes wrestling seriously who watches it. Its a comedy thing. I'd agree with you if there were fans of the boy bands who listen to them because they think it's cheesy and enjoy cheesy music but such is noi the case. >Maybe those guys who >really get the shit knocked out ot them in the UFC look at you like an idiot >for watching the fake shit? You mean like Ken Shamrock? He's one of the toughest guys to ever perform in the UFC who then went on to the WWF. He's now going to be doing more of the UFC stuff by the way. -Mike C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 05:11:59 GMT From: Jon Parmet (DTS-52) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: ytsejam digest 5361 Message-ID: let it be known that the previous digest has been one of the best digests i can remember reading in quite a long time. there's so much in there, i don't even know where to begin, so i think i'll just read it again :) for those in ack mode, you really should get the digest from the archives. it's the one after another and the posting style here as much as the individual posts that make this one a classic. jon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:12:55 -0700 (MST) From: Greg Kristianson To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Jazz Guitarists/Al DiMeola Message-ID: DiMeola rocks! Casino and Elegant Gypsy are by far some of his best work, although any prog fan would be wise to check him out with Return to Forever, especially the album "Romantic Warrior". Another one would be his outtakes album from the "Kiss My Axe" sessions aptly titled "Suck My Pick" (I couldn't resist!). Other good jazz guitarists to check out would be Charlie Christian, Jim Hall, Tal Farlow, Pat Martino, John Scofield, Stanley Jordan, and Scott Henderson. Greg-o NP-King Crimson: Frame by Frame 1969-71 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 05:20:32 GMT From: Jon Parmet (DTS-52) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Traci Lords (was Re: Carmen Electra) Message-ID: dthomas: > I have heard some of the Traci Lords CD, though. And it's about what you'd > expect it to sound like. and in a related story, marilynn chambers vocal acheievements can be attributed to the fact that she is more of an accomplished head-voice that a chest-voice singer... jon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 05:42:52 GMT From: Jon Parmet (DTS-52) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: welcoming in the new millenium Message-ID: Greg: > if it's longer than three minutes, doesn't have the generic > ngh-chicka-ngh-chicka beat, or have the words "baby" or "love" > in the lyrics, it sucks. that might explain why many DT fans rejected FII, eh? couldn't come to grips with the hypocrisy of an otherwise sweet tune, full of some truly wonderful Portnoy Polyrhythms and other complexities being so brutally hoovered into into mediocrity with the line: 'tide is turnin' now, BABY' ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 00:54:51 -0500 From: Adam Pye To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: James on the drums?!? ATLANTA show review... Message-ID: Hey folks... Yep, James LaBrie took over on drums to end the show tonight in Atlanta (while Portnoy did a James imitation on the vocal mic). Didn't do much except bang around and count beats until the ending "crash" of sound, but it was one of the many interesting novelties at the show tonight (plus he looked more comfortable behind the kit than Petrucci ever did doing Nightmare Cinema). :-) This will be brief as I've got work in about, well, 10 minutes... :) Star People: I was pleasantly surprised after seeing some of the negative comments on the 'Jam. Not a band I'd really get into, but they've got a bit of talent and did a good job for a 25 minute set. Dixie Dregs: Amazing. Even when his left-most cymbals actually FELL OFF the drum riser, Rod Morgenstein was a monster. I don't know if they've been doing an encore at any of the other shows, but they did one here because "Atlanta is kind of like home for us..." Great stuff... Dream Theater: Were I going to nitpick, I'd say the show was a bit too short, the selection of songs after SFAM was a bit weak, and I've never heard them fuck up Pull Me Under (of all songs) as heinously as they did tonight (James just stopped singing they were so off) - but I'm not going to nitpick. :-) They were great tonight. James was ON - no question about it. Petrucci, Portnoy, Myung and Rudess were also spectacular, but I think James really made the show. The folks that have been commenting about how much better he has gotten as a pure frontman are 100% correct - much more stage presence than I've seen out of him in the past. We got treated to little Melody Portnoy, complete with mini-headphones, sitting in with her daddy and "played" (from the standard "in daddy's lap" drumming posture) a bit during Through Her Eyes. The Atlanta crowd was much better than I had expected, this being much more Dregs country than Dream Theater (the "classic rock" station in Atlanta mentioned the Dregs a few times, but never DT that I heard). According to James, the show was sold out (very surprising, considering the Tabernacle holds more than 2000), and they were very pleased with the turnout. People seemed very into it from my position in the middle of the second tier of balconies. Unfortunately I didn't have time to wait for the band after the show, but I'll see them again in a couple of days (when I don't have work in the morning). That's about all I've got - just wanted to thank DT, the Dregs, and the Star People for a great show. Now, onto Orlando!! Take care all... Adam _________________________________________________ Adam Pye alpine1(-at-)mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~alpine1 ^^ Above URL for tape/cd list w/ setlists __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 00:59:43 -0500 From: Adam Pye To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5361 Message-ID: Hansen bitched... > > I didn't hear anybody complaining when we got there, either - > > and if they did have a serious problem, I might have considered going > > to the back of the line. > >I think you hear people complaining now. You may want >to note this for future reference. Can we possibly find a more irrelevant subject to whine about? Jesus, I've never seen so many anal retentive people collected into one list. So he cut in line (and we only know about this because he wrote an email saying how nice someone was to save him a place) - get over it. If you were in line behind him and took offense, fine. If not, shut the fuck up.... /me hates having to flame, but some people simply deserve it... Anyone got a life? This guy needs to borrow it... sheesh... Adam _________________________________________________ Adam Pye alpine1(-at-)mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~alpine1 ^^ Above URL for tape/cd list w/ setlists __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 00:28:06 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" To: retaehT maerD Subject: Kez, guns, and Coldfire.. What a combo! Message-ID: Kez wrote: >I'd sooner take my food away, then live with losing tunes......... That was cute! :) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian Hayden wrote: >This is such a loaded and off-topic subject that I'm not going to get into >it, except to say one thing: it's quite sloppy brainwork to apply the >experience of one culture to another, when they have completely different Holy Shit! Brian, I think we have found some common ground. How quickly they forget. I was going to reply to his post... But I thought is was best that I just bit my fucking tongue and kept the peace. I own multiple firearms and usually hunt every fall. I know if the shit ever hit the fan I could still feed and protect my family. I don't shoot ANYTHING I don't intend to eat. (with the exception of target practice) And I've NEVER been compelled to go on a rampage simply because I had the hardware. Currently I only own one hand gun (6" .357 mag stainless Ruger) and I ALWAYS carry it as a sidearm when I'm in the woods. It saved my ass four years ago when I stumbled into a bear that had apparently been injured by a car or truck. My shotgun was loaded with #6 bird shot when the beast expressed his dislike of my presence. The bird shot would have only pissed him off. When he was within 20 feet of me I discharged three 125 grain jacketed hollow points (hot hand loads) in rapid succession and waited... He dropped just eight feet in front of me. Then I cleaned my shorts.. :) Guns are not, nor have they EVER been the problem.. People are the problem. Firearms are nothing more than a power tool. (Labor saving device) Any tool misused or in the wrong hands is dangerous. Let's not confuse the the real issue by assigning blame to inanimate objects. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Coldfire wrote: >Guy? *Coldie looks down her shirt*....nope...definitely not a guy! Would you like a second opinion? -- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" --Will Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 01:30:53 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5360 Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Adam Yarter wrote: > It's hard for me to say that, just because at six you don't understand > what you did. Then again, where do you draw that line? I'm sick of > people taking the lives of others for no reason. They should throw > that kid in juvie till he's 18, then try his ass as an adult. There's only one problem with this theory: In the U.S., you can't try somebody for the same crime twice. This means that if you really wanted to do this, you'd have to hold the kid for twelve years without trial before he was tried as an adult. That's HIGHLY illegal. ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- "I'm not a vegetarian because I like animals. I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants." -- A. Whitney Brown ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:46:50 -0800 (PST) From: Trent To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Thought disorder, gun control... Message-ID: > > Don't you really think it's time that America grew > up and restricted gun sales to the army and police? I just don't get this shit. Criminals are going to get guns no matter what. Outlawing guns will only take them away from honest people who don't want to hurt anyone. That entire line of "logic" is total shit. If someone could hand me a goldplated guarantee that The Bad Guys wouldn't have guns if they were ever banned, then I might be a bit more open to the idea. As it is, I think I'd rather just ban criminals than guns. But that's just me... ===== *Trent If I had something funny to say, I'd say it here. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:49:47 +1100 From: "gaz" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5361 Message-ID: > Can we possibly find a more irrelevant subject to whine about? Jesus, > I've never seen so many anal retentive people collected into one list. > So he cut in line (and we only know about this because he wrote an > email saying how nice someone was to save him a place) - get over it. > If you were in line behind him and took offense, fine. If not, shut > the fuck up.... > > /me hates having to flame, but some people simply deserve it... Anyone > got a life? This guy needs to borrow it... sheesh... I totally agree, bitching about every fucking thing under the sun...... You are not content with gigs in their state, general admission shows. Nothing is perfect in this life........ I am tired you you spoilt wankers who have everything and still want more and more, a gig in your town, in your street, blah blah blah....... The silver spoon has been shoved so far down your throats your gagging on the cake and gasping for something else to complain about... gaz My Homepage The Instruments Of Random Progress http://www.ozemail.com.au/~ytsejam Reviews & Interviews http://www.renegade2K.com My Footwear http://www.ozemail.com.au/~ytsejam/livecd's.htm 'If you don't have a sense of humour or are too stupid to understand sarcasm don't complain to me, because I don't give a shit' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:53:35 +1100 From: "gaz" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Kez, guns, and Coldfire.. What a combo! Message-ID: > Guns are not, nor have they EVER been the problem.. People are the > problem. Firearms are nothing more than a power tool. (Labor saving > device) Any tool misused or in the wrong hands is dangerous. Let's > not confuse the the real issue by assigning blame to inanimate > objects. That's crap, if you don't have the guns in the first place then end of story... Why does anyone need a gun ? As they say on the news here whenever there's a tragedy like this 'only in America' Truer words have never been spoken :) gaz NP Mayadome - Near Life Experience My Homepage The Instruments Of Random Progress http://www.ozemail.com.au/~ytsejam Reviews & Interviews http://www.renegade2K.com My Footwear http://www.ozemail.com.au/~ytsejam/livecd's.htm 'If you don't have a sense of humour or are too stupid to understand sarcasm don't complain to me, because I don't give a shit' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 02:06:18 -0500 From: "Greg Stafford" To: Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 5362 Message-ID: Metropolis, 2000. The stage became dark as the lights faded. I was standing within the Tabernacle now in the dark. Sounds from the stage ring out into the crowd. With the first note played, the band begins. For 30 minutes sounds continued. Then once again it was dark. Shortly after the lights returned after the sounds had ceased. Soon after the lights once again dimmed and shadows of people took the stage. Then the lights and music began and the Dixie Dregs began their show. With that they played as if it was their last concert. It was an incredible show of talent. Then once again the room grew dark and then the lights returned. The Dream Begins..... The room went black. As mysterious as Metropolis: Scenes From a Memory, the music began without an intro or a word spoken. They continued into the night still a mystery. The night continued without rest. One of the highlights I saw was when Mike had his daughter in headphones to protect her ears onstage with him behind the drum set during one of the slower songs. It was truly something she will never forget and to see her enjoying herself, I won't forget the joy in her eyes either. Very cool Mike :):) Hugs to your daughter. The night continued without rest. Then the lights returned and we were whisked back into reality. The Dream had ended, but not without Scenes from A Memory. The ringing in my ears of the sounds and scenes that filled my senses still a strong memory, one I will soon not forget. Now the stage is empty and everyone has gone home, but for that moment we all shared the same dream, met new people and enjoyed the same music. Thanks to all that I met that made it fun. Thanks to the bands that gave us something to remember for a livetime. In a years time I will once again see them and the dream shall carry on. To those still waiting to see Dream Theater I kept it mysterious cause if I told you everything what would be the reason to go. It's like if I were to run and see a mystery and come back and tell you the ending. What reason would you have to see it after I told you? For those of you that have seen the show. I hope the experience I had equaled yours and the vague description above matches your experience as well. To those about to enter the Dream, sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride. Atlanta Show 2000 Follow your Dreams, The Wizard Comedy site Are you a Lazy American? Take the quiz and find out. http://www.lazyamericans.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 02:25:24 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Kez, guns, and Coldfire.. What a combo! Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, gaz wrote: > > Guns are not, nor have they EVER been the problem.. People are the > > problem. Firearms are nothing more than a power tool. (Labor saving > > device) Any tool misused or in the wrong hands is dangerous. Let's > > not confuse the the real issue by assigning blame to inanimate > > objects. > > That's crap, if you don't have the guns in the first place then end of > story... > Why does anyone need a gun ? Because they hunt. The fact of the matter is this: The kid's parents are at fault for not teaching him what is good from bad; the kid's parents are at fault for leaving a gun where a SIX-YEAR OLD could find it. The kid's parents are at fault for letting him bring a gun to school. They're at fault for leaving a LOADED gun in the house where a six-year old could grab it. All these reasons are valid, and, if the kid had been properly educated in what is right from wrong, then the kid is to blame as well. But something tells me that this isn't the case. There is a limit to how much a person can be held responsible, and I don't honestly believe that a six-year old is old enough to know better, unless the parents have deeply instilled what is right from wrong at an early age. When I was six years old, not only did I know what was right from wrong, but I already knew much of what sexuality was about. I knew what death was, and I knew what a gun could do. Why? Because my parents instilled all these things in me at a young age so that when I was older I could make responsible decisions for myself. > As they say on the news here whenever there's a tragedy like this > 'only in America' > > Truer words have never been spoken :) Bullshit. This "tragedy" would never have happened if the parents knew what the fuck they were doing. I think adults should get a child-rearing license; I mean, fuck, they need a license to drive a CAR, but not to raise a child? The real tragedy is that the social services didn't take this kid away from his parents sooner because they were total fucking idiots. If they had done THEIR job, none of this would have happened. You can't blame movies, television, or music for the violence that occurs in schools today. But you CAN blame parents for not teaching what needs to be taught. Obviously there are going to be wackos (like those guys at Columbine) that will do stuff regardless of what they've been taught. But I don't believe that a child of only six years has learned enough to BE wacko. ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- Once I wept for I had no shoes, and then I met a man who had no feet. So I took his shoes. I mean, it's not like HE needed them, right? ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 01:44:00 -0600 From: Joe Bissonnette To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: die corporate music die!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: So I've been lurking for a while, but I just got done with a really nasty homework assignment and feel the need to rant. >From: Greg Kristianson wrote about piss-nut corporate music. >whatever. While musical snobbery is indeed prevalent, I, Mr. musical snob, >often find *my* musical tates to be the subject of ridicule >from the Britney Spears set, not the other way around, as you would imply. >It seems it's uncool to listen to anything that requires thought, or the >slightest bit of attention; i.e. if it's longer than three minutes, >doesn't have the generic ngh-chicka-ngh-chicka beat, or have the words >"baby" or "love" in the lyrics, it sucks. The shitty thing is that art as That's more the ticket. It's not a matter of them being talentless, or our music being 'better' than theirs, or whatever. The irritating thing is just the degree of control over the music scene that is held by a bunch of lame old white guys. As music consumers whose needs aren't being met by the powers that be in the music business we have a right to pissed off as muthafuckers. Damn! If someone decided that Devin Townsend was cool and put his music on the radio the world would be a better place. Music is to a large extent a 'you are what you eat' sort of deal. The music you make, by and large, is going to sound like the music you listen to. It would make me happy if the next generation of talented musicians were listening to creative things like Devin and DT and that sort (mostly just Devin). Cool music would proliferate. There would actually be bands that come to town that I would want to see. But instead we get watered down shit that plays to the lowest common denominator to sell the greatest possible # of albums. Now not only do we get Korn, who sucks ass, we get 50 clones of Korn who suck even more ass. There is definitely something wrong there, and don't any of you assholes try to tell me there isn't. I mean, my god, did you see all the shit Santana just won? I like Santana as musician (or used to anyway), but c'mon that album was absolute crap. Slap a few big names on the back of the album, and, whew, Santana (you know him from VH1's Where the Fuck is He Now?) is the world's greatest superstar. 'I used to think like that last year, but now I'm grown up and appreciate listening to crap too...wah wah' Whatever dude. As someone with the ability to discriminate good music from shitty music, it's your duty to let the world know what good music is*. Not because we want to force it on everyone, but so that they know there is a such thing, and that there are people (read consumers) who want it. So anyone who wants to rail away against corporate spoonfed, Desmond Child, shitty music, rail away, I say! ...just not here, cuz we heard all that crap before. *disclaimer: Before you even start, NO I'm not passing absolute judgement on the value of one piece of art over another, just saying 'good from our point of view'. Thank you and good night. joe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 02:41:19 EST From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: guns in america Message-ID: well yes there is a problem with kids and guns today in America, but i would rather talk about Dream Theater then this guns bull shit... Anyway i had an awesome time at the DT concert in philly. MP got my friend and i after show passes.. These guys are real class acts.. I hope you all remember that everyone in here really likes DT and who gives a shit about all the bull shit we have to see every day.. Please talk about the things we enjoy then the things we do not agree on... Just a request Thanx. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 01:13:45 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" To: Subject: You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers. Message-ID: <001401bf841f$4dbc9380$500d84d0@default> > Why does anyone need a gun ? What's the difference? You take someone's gun away, they'll use a knife. Take their knife away they'll use their bare-hands. Guns are simply blamed the most simply because they're the most deadly tool. Besides, I would be willing to bet that if you took guns away from the average citizen here in the States, crime would nearly double. Guns will still be available to whoever wants them. It would just be another social problem just like drugs, only people would start killing each other for their guns. :P The criminals would have the guns and have alot less to fear knowing that John Q. Public didn't have his .38 special in his nightstand anymore. That kid in Michigan could just as easily have stabbed that little girl to death. It wouldn't make any difference. Dead is dead. -- KorgX3 notes that throwing rocks at cop cars is not a wise thing to do. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:21:50 +1100 From: "gaz" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Kez, guns, and Coldfire.. What a combo! Message-ID: > Bullshit. This "tragedy" would never have happened if the parents > knew what the fuck they were doing. I think adults should get a > child-rearing license; I mean, fuck, they need a license to drive a > CAR, but not to raise a child? The real tragedy is that the social > services didn't take this kid away from his parents sooner because > they were total fucking idiots. If they had done THEIR job, none of > this would have happened. I hear your bullshit, give you my bullshit and raise you a bullshit :) The bottom line is, thus: If there was no gun their would have been NO shooting, right ? gaz My Homepage The Instruments Of Random Progress http://www.ozemail.com.au/~ytsejam Reviews & Interviews http://www.renegade2K.com My Footwear http://www.ozemail.com.au/~ytsejam/livecd's.htm 'If you don't have a sense of humour or are too stupid to understand sarcasm don't complain to me, because I don't give a shit' ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5363 **************************