YTSEJAM Digest 5258 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Im back! by "Adriano F. Giacomini" 2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5257 by "Charlie Hamilton" 3) ticket prices by Jared Rodecker 4) Emotional by Linus Akesson 5) Re: Santana Spawned Stuff by email_address_removed 6) Re: dancing king by Amanda Rosenblum 7) re: santallica by "Fran Brennan" 8) The Mirror Cover by Sigma 5 by Fernando Rauber 9) Re: The Mirror Cover by Sigma 5 by Andrew Coutermarsh 10) Santana story by "Trevor W. Hoit" 11) Re: Grammys by email_address_removed 12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5257 by Kurt M Hampton 13) Morse brothers by Graham Borland 14) More Emotional Songs by mams.gajic@t-online.de (Alex Gajic) 15) Portnoy, Gay Dad & auto-fellatio by "Mats Rydstrom" 16) santallica by "Isaac Trumbo" 17) Re: dancing king by Michael Kizer 18) Derek's discography... by Michael Kizer 19) JP sad news by "Gilberto Bressan Junior" 20) come to south florida !! by LOU ROSATO 21) riv by email_address_removed 22) Santana, Clapton by Dan Wait 23) Mpls tickets on sale today by email_address_removed 24) Marty Freidman quits Megadeth by Kurt M Hampton 25) Re: Santana, Clapton by Carlos Andres Alfaro 26) Notation for ACoS? by Andrew Coutermarsh 27) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5257 by email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 02:41:30 -0200 From: "Adriano F. Giacomini" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Im back! Message-ID:

>Brian D Hayden wrote: > >> You fool, Santana has been a success since before you were born. >Yes, it >> wouldn't have been so popular without that vocal, but to say that >he >> "reached success" just because of that...you're nuts, boy. >> >> -Brian >> > >I was about to jump on this too... true its a shame that his most >popular cd >is easily his crappiest one...but to say that is just ..not true. >Besides being >a very good guitar player, his music just grooves! Does anyone >remember seeing >him ripping it up on the woodstock movie? Damn! Yeah!!! I mean, I couldn't agree more with you here... Santana has been a guitar hero (I don't think one has to have amazing technique to be a guitar hero) for over 30 years now... Just check out his performance in Woodstock and you'll see how great this guy is... It's nice to see him finally get recognized, but it's also sad that it's happened with his worst cd... But Santana is a great player, and if getting all of this pop stars to sing with him is what was necessary for people to finally pay attention to the great things he can do, I say so be it... I'd rather have Santana playing 30 times a day in my radio with a not so good song than have the Backstreet Boys or any other of these crappy "vocal" groups... A few other emotional songs (at least IMHO): DT - Voices, Finally Free Savatage - Believe (WOW... How come I didn't find out about this one earlier?) Metallica - Fade to Black Stratovarius - Forever Led Zeppelin - Going to California

Later, Adriano "A daily dose of eMpTyV will flush your mind right down the drain" DREAM THEATER
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------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:42:26 -0500 From: "Charlie Hamilton" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5257 Message-ID:

Wednesday, Jan 5 2000 21:42

Hey Im from Tucson, whoever it was that sent that e-mail. Anyone else besides me? Hey you other Tucsonan, Lawrence, e-mail me privately... Charlie

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------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 20:44:19 -0600 From: Jared Rodecker To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: ticket prices Message-ID: I just wanted to say that as a big fan of Dream Theater I really appreciate the very reasonable ticket prices for the US tour. $25 for a concert in San Francisco is very cheap. So, Mike, thanks for not gouging us like some of my other favorite bands tend to do sometimes. Jared Rodecker email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 06:27:03 +0200 From: Linus Akesson To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Emotional Message-ID: This emotional song thread... I just had to join in and say that Tchaikovsky's Symphony no. 6 "Path=E9tique" is THE emotional piece. Those of you who haven't heard it, if you're in search of something emotional, this is a MUST HEAR. Linus ps. 6:25 am.. bedtime perhaps? -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- (Sign on a bathroom door) "We aim to please, you aim too please" -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- email_address_removed, visit http://linusworld.cjb.net (PGP key availabl= e). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 00:40:48 EST From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Santana Spawned Stuff Message-ID: >Imaging a world without Journey, Steve Perry, Neal Schon, >Bad English, or Greg Rollie IMO, this would world would be called Utopia! -Mike C :=DE ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 21:46:06 -0800 From: Amanda Rosenblum To: YtseJam Subject: Re: dancing king Message-ID: > I wasn't expecting anything from the grammy nominations, but to see > Backstreet Boys nominated fro album of the year is really > disheartening..... Wanna know something even more sickening? I was flipping through the channels yesterday and Roma Downey, whom you may remember from such TV shows as "Touched By an Angel", was hosting a tribute to great women of the 90s. Some of the honorees were Jody Foster, Aretha Franklin and.... Christina Aguilera? Yes folks, the genie in a bottle is one of the most influential women, if she's even old enough to be a women, of the decade. But then I saw a middle aged man in a sweater with a guitar and drum machine in the middle of the mall singing "La Vida Loca" and I remembered that yes, life is good ;) ~~Amanda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 21:56:25 PST From: "Fran Brennan" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: re: santallica Message-ID: Someone wrote: Whoa.. is this true? I mean this would be so cool..have him school kirk in what tastefull soloing is...mm interesting. an album with Metallica's heavy riffing with the tastefulness and groove injected by Carlos Santana.. Remember when you subbed to the 'jam, and there was the big list of things your not supposed to talk about, etc? One of the notices should be "Korgy is NOT to be taken seriously". Although now that you mention it, latin-metal fusion would be REALLY cool...I hear Sepultura has done some stuff kinda like that, but I'm not sure...anyhoo................. -Banjoman np: Phish(?)- Gin and Juice mp3 (doesn't sound like Phish AT ALL, but who else would cover a gangsa rap hit as a bluegrass tune?) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- There is no task so simple that you can't skrew it up -My old electronics teacher ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 04:38:59 -0200 From: Fernando Rauber To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: The Mirror Cover by Sigma 5 Message-ID: Hello Ytsejammers! I've just uploaded to my Xoom acount one of the best DT covers I've ever heard! "The Mirror", by the brazilian band Sigma 5. It also includes the Lie solo (with some new parts). It's worth to check it out, the quality of the recording and the mixing is as good as the original, and the bass is a bit louder. The URL is: http://members.xoom.com/frauber/sigma5-mirror.pdf PS: The file is a MP3, but because Xoom don't allow me to post mp3s, I had to rename to .pdf. You can open it with Winamp or any other MP3 player. Also, if you can't download from this links, just type http://members.xoom.com/frauber/ and click on the file "sigma5-mirror.pdf". PS2: You can find more info on this band on www.sigma5.com. It's prog-metal with portuguese lyrics. PS3: No, I'm not a member of this band :). Just a hardcore fan. []s Fernando Rauber ICQ: 2281311 http://fast.to/frmp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 01:55:03 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: The Mirror Cover by Sigma 5 Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Fernando Rauber wrote: > I've just uploaded "The Mirror", by the brazilian band Sigma 5. It > also includes the Lie solo (with some new parts). It's worth to check > it out, the quality of the recording and the mixing is as good as the > original, and the bass is a bit louder. Well, I just listened to this song, and I must say that the musicianship is incredible. The vocals leave something to be desired, though. I don't say this for any reason about his voice per se, but to tell the truth, he sounds pretty ridiculous trying to sing those English lyrics with that accent and the inflections he puts in; it's pretty funny. Not that it's bad - I know how tough it is to sing in other languages without any kind of an accent (it's nearly impossible to really sing Italian well and not sound like an American trying to sing in a foreign language; I'm not even going to TOUCH all the things I had to learn to sing in German), and the song is done VERY well (even those sound samples they tried to put in). The vocals, however, due to the accent, was the weakest link. DEFINITELY a must-download, though. The MP3 could have been higher quality too, not that I'm complaining. :) ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- I like to go down to the dog pound and pretend that I've found my dog. Then I tell them to kill it anyway because I already gave away all of his stuff. Dog people sure don't have a sense of humor. ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 00:08:21 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: Santana story Message-ID: My sister asked for that new Santana cd for Christmas. So, because I am so funny, I wrote on the tag. To Holly ]From Santa? Na! From Trevor Get it? Trevor is so funny the Jam forgot to laugh. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 03:31:03 EST From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Grammys Message-ID: Personally, I don't even care who's nominated and who's not for the grammys. The thing's a joke anyway. I mean, in 89 Jethro Tull won a Grammy for best metal album over Metallica's An Justice For All and Queensryche's Operation Mincrime! If I won one of those things I'd just use it as a doorstop cause that's all the damn thing's good for anyway. -Mike C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 03:58:01 -0600 From: Kurt M Hampton To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5257 Message-ID: > You fool, Santana has been a success since before you were born. Yes, it > wouldn't have been so popular without that vocal, but to say that he > "reached success" just because of that...you're nuts, boy. > I meant to insert an "again". face it b4 the CD came out none was into Santana. Hell have the poeple who own the CD probablt never knew who he was. Example 1: My girlfriend. The first time she heard the song. "Some crappy band ripped off some old bands name" I am well aware of his success in the past, and his bpm go up for a moment in some of the solos, but without the poppyness of Rob thomas on that song, it would not have been as successful. Say Geoff Tate sang it instead of Rob. Would it had caught on. No. Matchbox 20 groupies haven't had a tasty treat to snack on since 1996, and this song was their way of getting more Rob. Kinda like us and LTE, Mullmuzzler, Platypus etc. We need some more between Cds to keep us going. Kurt NP-Shadow gallery Carved in Stone "and though it leads to nowhere, you part debris and keep on going" - Doubledrive "Gone" "Im inspired and content"-Dream Theater "Scarred" 45.2 % of Americans pee in the shower ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 11:20:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Graham Borland To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Morse brothers Message-ID: Since Spock's Beard will be touring with DT in Europe, it would be interesting if the Morse brothers (Neal and Al) could perform the parts of the brothers in Scenes From A Memory. A full theatrical production of the album would require a different singer for each character anyway, and Neal and Al are very capable singers . . . I'm sure that Ryo Okumoto would be great as Victoria too. ;-) -- Graham Borland Picsel Technologies Ltd email_address_removed Glasgow, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:34:21 +0100 From: mams.gajic@t-online.de (Alex Gajic) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: More Emotional Songs Message-ID: Yo, Jamophiles! Some Songs that really reach my emotional snare: Metallica - Nothing Else Matters Dream Theater - Wait for Sleep Tori Amos - Silent All these Years, Winter, Bells for her Richard Marx - Right Here Waiting Seal - Kiss from a Rose On another topic: Somebody said that Toto's Drummer is cool. Is there a live CD available, where he plays a solo piece? And again: Nobody answered my question: What exactly is the difference between a label and a record company? Jam on! LX -- email_address_removed Visit the all new WIDE AWAKE @ http://www.WideAwake.cjb.net/ * Battle doesn't need a purpose, the battle is its own purpose. You don't ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don't ask why I fight! * THE BLACK KNIGHT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:38:27 +0100 From: "Mats Rydstrom" To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" Subject: Portnoy, Gay Dad & auto-fellatio Message-ID: <001101bf5840$d4e9b320$0d01a8c0@slitz.se> >Gay Dad -- Leisure Noise >Don't know if the name of the band is a publicity stunt or a family se= cret >let out, but the music approaches my definition of perfect pop. >lots of sonical issues dancing around, one reviewer mentioned Brian En= o as >a comparison, and I myself thought of Pink Floyd on a couple of occasi= ons >when i had the headphones strapped on. It's not progressive, it's definitely > in the pop-rock vein, but they do it so damn well, borrowing a few ke= y >elements and mixing them up beautifully. I seem to recall a metal magazine years ago where they asked various pp= l standard questions like 'if you had one wish, what would you like to do= '. Portnoy answered 'blow myself' if I remember correctly. (in fact, two m= ore drummers gave that same answer, go figure... ) Well, for some helpful hints, get in touch with Cliff Jones, the singer= of Gay Dad. In Select he said: 'there's a lot to be said about coming in y= our own mouth'. Great! He's an ex-journalist of Q and Mojo and, like Manson= , know the importance of giving good interviews. /Mats NP: Gram Parsons - Grievous Angel ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mats Rydstr=F6m - Music & Technology Editor SLITZ - SCANDINAVIA'S LEADING MEN'S MAGAZINE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ mats.rydstrom@slitz.se - http://www.slitz.se ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 15:07:04 GMT From: "Isaac Trumbo" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: santallica Message-ID: this would be a total waiste of time.. what i wanna see is a britney spears/metallica collaboration THAT would be interesting.. i never much liked santana, but his last album just bothered me "hey now".. blah inferno NP: opeth - still life >Whoa.. is this true? I mean this would be so cool..have him school kirk in >what tastefull soloing is...mm interesting. an album with Metallica's heavy >riffing with the tastefulness and groove injected by Carlos Santana.. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 08:22:06 -0700 From: Michael Kizer To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: dancing king Message-ID: Amanda Rosenblum wrote: > > But then I saw a middle aged man in a sweater with a guitar and drum > machine in the middle of the mall singing "La Vida Loca" and I > remembered that yes, life is good ;) Oh man, that is classic... ;-) I'm just waiting for the Muzak version of it so I can here all the old geezers at work walking around humming it... I did have a boss who was in this 60s who used to always whistle this familiar tune while he walked around work... one day I figured it out and it was an AC/DC song (can't remember which one)... hehe -- ~Michael Kizer < email_address_removed > < ICQ # 2070538 > "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." ~ http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<< >>> Underground Internet Radio at: http://www.ytseradio.com <<< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 08:27:51 -0700 From: Michael Kizer To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Derek's discography... Message-ID: at derek's site (http://www.dereksherinian.com) in the discography section he has a couple of DT albums that I've never seen, like "Live Bonus", "Small Club Adventure", etc... Are these bootlegs he's including in his work with DT? Or just some weird Japanese release/promo stuff.... -- ~Michael Kizer < email_address_removed > < ICQ # 2070538 > "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." ~ http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<< >>> Underground Internet Radio at: http://www.ytseradio.com <<< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:44:32 -0200 From: "Gilberto Bressan Junior" To: Subject: JP sad news Message-ID: <001001bf586d$b17cf820$f44bbcc8@b> Hey guys, remembered when JP started selling his Ibanez Guitars a few months ago ? That was only a sign... Today I was reading the forum at www.jemsite.com (a wonderful site btw), and someone told that JP was leaving Ibanez for Music Man, the thread extended until a guy named Todd post a email written by Rena Petrucci. Here's Todd's Post to the forum: =========================== By J. Todd Beachler (Biggestmuff) on Tuesday, January 4, 2000 - 05:04 pm: Well, I didn't want it to turn out this way. I didn't want to believe any of the rumours so I emailed John's wife, Rena. She responded with this: *** Dear Todd, It seems that John and Ibanez couldn't agree on some contractual issues and have parted. He still stands by the quality of Ibanez guitars and will continue to use them on the upcoming tour. He will however be endorsed by Ernie Ball when the term (app.5 months) is up. Sincerely,Rena Petrucci ============================ I only wish he didn't leave Ibanez for MONEY issues... Kudos to Steve Vai who's been with Ibanez for 15 years ! c-ya, Gilberto (now with a broken heart because of JP, but still a proud Ibanez user) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:25:25 -0800 (PST) From: LOU ROSATO To: ytsejam Subject: come to south florida !! Message-ID: HEY DREAM THEATER !! PLEASE COME TO SOUTH FLORIDA THIS YEAR ! I'M DYING TO SEE YOU ON TOUR, DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER I WILL BE ABLE TO HOLD OUT ! MAY HAVE TO MOVE BACK NORTH !! ===== SEE YA ! LOU __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:06:09 EST From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: riv Message-ID: In a message dated 1/5/0 10:54:20 PM, you wrote: << i was wondering if anyone could tell me how to get tickets to the Chicago > show at the Riviera. any info would be greatly appreciated. > >> hey i need tix for the riv too!!! please help us!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:36:21 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Wait To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Santana, Clapton Message-ID: Alright, I'm probably gonna get eaten alive for saying this, but I don't care... I don't think Santana is all that great of a guitarist. I listen to Smooth w/ my friends and they all say "Wow, listen to him wail, he's shredding that thing up." But he's NOT. It's not a particularly challenging solo at all. His music is cool for its groove, but not for his guitar work. But I suppose there's a place for the simple and tasteful... -Dan NP: Rush - Grace Under Pressure on a record player that's older than I am! ===== "Anyone with a memory must have tremendous humility." "Let light surround you." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 16:23:20 EST From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Mpls tickets on sale today Message-ID: hey gang.... for those that don't know the Minneapolis DT tickets went on sale today.... get em soon ! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:57:47 -0600 From: Kurt M Hampton To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Marty Freidman quits Megadeth Message-ID: hey all, Apparently Marty has left Megadeth to pursue a solo career. I am a Megadeth fan, but all I can say is thank God. He just didn't seem into it the last time I saw them. Maybe he'll hook up with Menza and kick ass again. I am still shocked at this, with Risk going Gold and everything. Kurt NP-Savatage-DWD "and though it leads to nowhere, you part debris and keep on going" - Doubledrive "Gone" "Im inspired and content"-Dream Theater "Scarred" 45.2 % of Americans pee in the shower ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:32:40 -0500 From: Carlos Andres Alfaro To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Santana, Clapton Message-ID: Dan Wait wrote: > Alright, I'm probably gonna get eaten alive for saying > this, but I don't care... > > I don't think Santana is all that great of a > guitarist. I listen to Smooth w/ my friends and they > all say "Wow, listen to him wail, he's shredding that > thing up." But he's NOT. It's not a particularly > challenging solo at all. > > His music is cool for its groove, but not for his > guitar work. But I suppose there's a place for the > simple and tasteful... > > -Dan > NP: Rush - Grace Under Pressure on a record player > that's older than I am! I dont know if youve listened to anything other than something out of his last album, but he really rips it up and wails on his other work.. If youve only listened to smooth or that album youre missing out on what santana really is.. Without love, without truth, there can be no turning back. Without faith, without hope, there can be no peace of mind. Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:24:24 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Notation for ACoS? Message-ID: I'm sure this has been asked before, but I was just putzing around with my keyboard and decided to put on ACoS and try to jam along with it. I was wondering if anybody had any actually notated music to this song (any of it), because I just don't know how the fuck to read keyboard tablature, and besides, there's only PMU on the website. Anybody know where I can find any of this? ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- Psychiatrists say that 1 out of 4 people are mentally ill. Check three friends. If they're OK, you're it. ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:59:01 EST From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5257 Message-ID: << Best new artist: Kid Rock, Britney Spears, Christina Aguliketofuckher. >> Didn't Christina "riding on britney spears' coattails" just pop into the studio for two hours, do two takes and have the sound editors edit out and patch up all her mistakes? and she might be best new artist? ::thumbs up:: that what i heard anyway. Anyway, I noticed no one has mentioned "Emma" from Neal Morse as an emotional song. I really think it is good work. One more thing. On the "thoughts" list there is a thread about Pain of Salvation going. Is anyone else dissapointed with Entropia in comparison to One Hour By The Concrete Lake? What am I not seeing in this album that everyone else is? Zack Hiwiller ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5258 **************************