YTSEJAM Digest 5256 Today's Topics: 1) Dave Weiner from Steve Vais touring band by email_address_removed 2) Re: Record contracts/ Michigan by email_address_removed 3) 00s and Tapeswapping by WB Henderson 4) Re: Best album of 99 poll results (sigh) by "Sadbutunforgiven" 5) Re: That old devil music (don't get the wrong idea about Christianity) by Jonathan D Willey 6) Watchtower by Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror 7) The Star People by WB Henderson 8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5252 by email_address_removed 9) numbers by "Trevor W. Hoit" 10) I see that anti-christian thread forming again....ug. by "Fran Brennan" 11) prog samplers by "Charlie_Farrell" 12) Re: I see that anti-christian thread forming again....ug. by "Korg Ecksthrey" 13) Re: Best album of 99 poll results by "Mats Rydstrom" 14) Emotional songs by "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_Hagstr=F6m?=" 15) Driving Ms. Daisy... by Jonathan D Willey 16) Re: Emotional songs by email_address_removed 17) Re: I see that anti-christian thread forming again....ug. by email_address_removed 18) Re: Emotional songs by Andrew Coutermarsh 19) Mullmuzzler rulz. by "Korg Ecksthrey" 20) by "Isaac Trumbo" 21) Re: Mullmuzzler rulz. by Jonathan D Willey 22) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5255 by email_address_removed 23) DT tickets by email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:49:58 EST From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Dave Weiner from Steve Vais touring band Message-ID: Sorry for the plug again... If you have not already, check out www.daveweiner.com Dave is on tour with Steve Vai... he is also looking for a singer for his project after he is done touring. talk to you later ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 23:28:12 EST From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Record contracts/ Michigan Message-ID: >about the below, since when do contracts mean anything in the music biz, >anyway? I was always under the impression that King's X had a 14 album deal >with Atlantic, and they're plying their craft for metal balde these days, >after only about 6 or 7 releases on Atlantic..... That's a good point. I see that kind of thing a lot with other bands too. I guess that in a lot of cases the record company has the option to terminate the contact if they see fit perhaps? Or maybe the band still gets some kind of base amount of money out of the deal but the record company just decides to cut their losses and not release any more albums from them? Who knows here huh. >(in other words, happy new year....woulda said it before, but i was too busy >watching football.....how 'bout them Michigan Wolverines?!) Wow, what a game! I was glad they won cause I'm a huge Penn State fan and I rot for a ll the Big Ten teams in the New Years Bowl. It was nice to see the Lions win against A & M but I'm still hurting from that damn game against Minnesota! ugh! -Mike C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 23:27:30 -0500 From: WB Henderson To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: 00s and Tapeswapping Message-ID: Said Partha: >what do we get for getting to the 00s? (zeroes? zips? what the hell are >gonna call this decade, anyway? and when do we get to start making fun of >Nirvana and Pearl jam for making music that's. like, soooooo 90s? The bands labled as sounding "80s" are usually from the early '90s, so figure the kids of tomorrow will be complaining about whoever's popular next year. On tapeswapping, I'm all for it. Of course, I imagine there's a big enough percentage of us now with CD-burners that we could do a CD-R/tapeswap. Anybody? Brian [NP...Happy The Man -- Crafty Hands] ===================================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: email_address_removed WIXQ ON-LINE: http://www.millersv.edu/~wixq/ Automaton Hit Parade (Progrock Radio): http://www.millersv.edu/~wixq/Automaton/ ===================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 23:37:29 -0500 From: "Sadbutunforgiven" To: Subject: Re: Best album of 99 poll results (sigh) Message-ID: <001301bf5675$f34f8320$3f14d6d1@pavilion> >Surprises? Marilyn Manson getting 2 votes. Goes to show that not everyone on >this list is respectable. Yes like you :) PLEASE BY SOME MIRACLE OF GOD MAKE YOUR WAY TO SOMEWHERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA DREAM THEATER!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:09:14 -0800 From: Jonathan D Willey To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: That old devil music (don't get the wrong idea about Christianity) Message-ID: > >Subject: That old devil music > > >http://web.infoave.net/~tracymelody/devilrock5.html Hey jammers, Well I just have to put a word in edgewise here and try to make sure people don't get the wrong impression of "Christianity" from that guy's website. Yeah he obviousely is a Fundamentalist Christian who is way to one side. But, speaking as a Christian who freakin loves rock and roll for the MUSIC I have to stress to you all not to try and judge all Christians by this guy's website. I think I went to the same lecture on music that this guy went to and it actually peaked my interest. Now I have to say I think Marylin Manson is an idiot IMHO, but judging bands like Alice in Chains and the Flaming Lips by three words in a song is just kind of out there. (although I read somewhere that manson said he really does all his antics and such mainly to get a rise out of people???) And as far as the backmasking goes I just don't get how they come up with that stuff??? It surely didn't stop my band of 4 Christian guys from making good rock and roll and even covering Zeppelin tunes in our concerts... This guy is very right wing fundamentalist and he makes it look as if ALL Christians are this way. Believe me when I say that at least i am not... I guess if he saw my CD collection he would call me a devil worshiper also but i can tell you he would be way off.... Now, don't go flaming me... I am only trying to open up some eyes that this guy seemed to want to shut... ps: Korg: he actually did mention Sabbath on page 2 i think... I think he mentioned Ozzy in with it... pps: if you all want to hear some of my bands stuff check out our new website i just finished http://homestead.juno.com/manydeceived/home.html and let me know you checked it out... later... ytsejon np:surrounded Psalm 27:1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 07:32:08 +0100 From: Steffen Barabasch - The Mirror To: Ytsejam Subject: Watchtower Message-ID: >each other. Both albums, WDADU and Control and Resistance are from 1989. >Great album by Watchtower, by the way. To bad it's their only album. Uhmm... wrong. They made an album before that (slightly different line-up and even *more* hysterical than C&R!) called "Energetic Disassembly". It was released more or less by the guys themselves, so maybe that's why you haven't heard about it. Steffen -- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:email_address_removed) THE MIRROR - German Dream Theater Fan Club (http://www.dtifc.com/themirror) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 01:54:41 -0500 From: WB Henderson To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: The Star People Message-ID: Dave Thomas said: >Oh, and for SF people, I noticed on the Ticketweb site that the opening act >for the SF DT show is listed as The Star People. As someone who sat through >them awaiting Ozric Tentacles last year, I can only say this: arriving late >is no big deal. I'm going to have to disagree with you there, Mr. T -- I saw 'em in Philadelphia (also opening for the Tentacles) and thought the band one of the most bizarre/entertaining live acts I've ever witnessed. Their gimmick is that they're aliens, aliens who learned about earth culture through 1950s television -- every song has a topic along those lines. The music is sort of a quirky lounge, like some of the stuff Mr. Bungle does. I really have no idea why they were picked as the OT opener, though. Not even close to same style. By the way, if anybody knows of a website for the above band, please pass on the URL. I've been unable to find anything. I am weak. >Although, I might have to agree about Stryper. ;) To hell with the devil! WB [NP...PC69 -- Electrified] ===================================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: email_address_removed WIXQ ON-LINE: http://www.millersv.edu/~wixq/ Automaton Hit Parade (Progrock Radio): http://www.millersv.edu/~wixq/Automaton/ ===================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 02:27:40 EST From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5252 Message-ID: In a message dated 00-01-01 08:45:35 EST, you write: << I think OIALT counts as two as far as the contract is concerned. >> Most multiple albums count as one album in your contract (same is true of boxed sets, usually). Richie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 23:28:45 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: numbers Message-ID: > Two questions before I sign off for today. I own 38 of > these albums - who can beat me? 44 > what do we get for getting to the 00s? (zeroes? zips? what the hell are > gonna call this decade, anyway? The Naughties! Trevor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 00:44:03 PST From: "Fran Brennan" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: I see that anti-christian thread forming again....ug. Message-ID: someone wrote: I still find it hard to believe that people can be so closed-minded when it comes to things like this. I mean, it's like they're the Fundamentalists of music. :) I know that topics of religion are supposedly a no-no on the jam, but I gotta clear some stuff up, and if I get banned for it, then I get banned for it. This anti-christian thread that keeps coming up every couple of months REALLY annoys me. Not because I expect everyone else to be just like me, but because most people that flame Christianity don't really understand what it's all about. And I can see why, because it's a horrenously misrepresented religion. I'll try to clear stuff up as best as I can. First of all, religion is pointless if you don't completely believe in it. You can't just "kinda sorta" believe in a religion. With that in mind, you must understand that Christians have complete faith. I believe this faith comes from God's holy spirit. I realize that most of you probably don't believe that, but you must understand that, wherever that faith comes from, it IS there. The basis of Christianity is that everyone is a sinner, and therefore deserves death. But God is merciful, so, as Jesus Christ, he took the punishment for our sins. All we need to do is believe in Christ to be forgiven. So therefore, if you don't believe in Christ, you aren't forgiven. That's why Christians come off as closed-minded. We're not trying to make everyone like us just so we can be the coolest religion in the world, but because we care about non-christians. If you truly believed that someone was about to get hit by a train, you'd try to get 'em out of the way, right? If you are still reading this, I thank you for being open-minded enough to at least listen to what I have to say. -Banjoman ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "There was so much leprosy, but I knew there must be more" -James Labrie, ACOS, 1993 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:15:17 -0000 From: "Charlie_Farrell" To: , Subject: prog samplers Message-ID: <004e01bf5694$38ef0400$4692bc3e@farrell> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 17:50:23 +0100 ]From: mams.gajic@t-online.de (Alex Gajic) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: ? >P.S.: Does a thing as a "prog sampler" exist somewhere in the CD landscape? >I want to look for some new stuff in addition to DT and I don't want to buy > whole albums. Well check out www.durp.com for CDs that cover a selection of prog and prog-metal bands. Verglas in the UK have also done cheap samplers for their artists, which can be purchased from their website at http://www.verglas.com/ Its a shame that the likes of InsideOut don't do such a thing - they have a great roster of artists. They did do a sampler last year in France, which contain tracks from Tiles, Spocks Beard and 4 others, which was free if you bought albums from 2 of the artists - not much of a temptation IMHO. Alex, if you're interested I was looking to offload my copy of the DURP sampler vol II and a heap of magazine samplers, which have exhausted their useful life. You're welcome to them - just drop me a line with your address Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:39:53 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" To: Subject: Re: I see that anti-christian thread forming again....ug. Message-ID: <001401bf56c9$f5c66b60$message_id_removed> Actually, I sensed nothing of an anti-Christian thread forming. That person who wrote the Rock Deception site obviously was one of those waaaaay left freakies. I mean, read his little biography. He totally blames listening to rock for his decent into drugs and mysanthropy. Whatever. It's about as stupid as people blaming games like Doom for all of the schoolyard shootings. They just can't face the reality that the devil didn't make them do it, but they brought it upon themselves. It's just easier for people to blame their troubles on something else. It's people like him that reinforce people's opinion's (like my own) that religion is... (yeah, yeah, we all heard Jesse Ventura say it)... >death. But God is merciful, so, as Jesus Christ, he took the punishment You're actually the one who's going to start the Anti-Christian thread by posting drivel (yes, I mean drivel) like this here. I'm willing to bet that, yes, the majority of the 'jam is Christian, but there are quite a few non-Christians, too, I'll wager (raises hand). Please respect other people's rights to not be what you are and keep your religion to yourself. I'm sure if I went around preaching what I believed on the 'jam, the lot of you would drive me away. hehehe. Thank you, drive through! Keep ALL responses to private mail, period, ya bastages. :) -- KorgX3 is not anti-Christian, just anti-Spam NP: Eric Johnson - Ah Via Musicom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 17:13:24 +0100 From: "Mats Rydstrom" To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" Subject: Re: Best album of 99 poll results Message-ID: <010201bf56ce$019ecfa0$0d01a8c0@slitz.se> Beat 45! And, yes, you can say I cheated since I got most of them for f= ree. :) /Mats NP: Jaco Pastorius - s/t ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mats Rydstr=F6m - Music & Technology Editor SLITZ - SCANDINAVIA'S LEADING MEN'S MAGAZINE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ mats.rydstrom@slitz.se - http://www.slitz.se ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ order Dream Theater's new album online: http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=3D709999860/pagename=3D/RP/CDN= /FIND/alb um.html/ArtistID=3DDREAM+THEATER/itemid=3D798728 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 17:37:17 +0100 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mikael_Hagstr=F6m?=" To: Subject: Emotional songs Message-ID: <00e301bf56d1$f7189440$message_id_removed> Gee guys you talk about emotional songs and list groups like = Queensryche, LTE, Mega Death & G'N'R??? It kind of rings bad in my ears, are their music good - perhaps. But I = wouldn't call them emotional. My choises will probably leave a lot of people with huge question marks, = but I guess I can live with that, ha ha. Richard Page - "Let Me Down Easy" & "Even The Pain" Dave Weckl - "A Simple Prayer" David Garfield & Friends - "My Heart Wants To Know" Burning Water - "I Wish You Were Mine" TOTO - "Somewhere Tonight" Emotional AOR tracks all of them, exept the Burning Water track (pure = blues). Progressive rock have never ever been emotional to me, the music = is often out of this world and always interesting to listen to, but no = track have ever made tears come to my eyes. Richad Page's track "Even The Pain" have lyrics that are creepingly = striking. Greetings from Sweden Mikael Hagstr=F6m TOTO site http://come.to/past.to.present LOS LOBOTOMYS site (not open to public yet) http://loslobotomys.com=20 My brothers DREAM THEATER site http://go.to/alceringa=20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 09:17:51 -0800 From: Jonathan D Willey To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Driving Ms. Daisy... Message-ID: > Thank you, drive through! > > Keep ALL responses to private mail, period, ya bastages. :) > -- > KorgX3 is not anti-Christian, just anti-Spam > NP: Eric Johnson - Ah Via Musicom How could we drive you away? Geez, I would have nothing to look forward to when I read the jam anymore!!! hehe.... :) By the way Korg, I see you listen to mullmuzzler alot... I'm thinking about getting it but the samples on cdnow haven't sold me on it yet... could you or anyone else point me somewhere where I could hear more ot it? and does anyone know how to get your hands on Planet X's new one or is it not out yet??? ytsejon Jonathan Willey A.T.,C. Psalm 27:1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:20:54 EST From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Emotional songs Message-ID: >< Gee guys you talk about emotional songs and list groups like Queensryche, LTE, Mega Death & G'N'R??? It kind of rings bad in my ears, are their music good - perhaps. But I wouldn't call them emotional. My choises will probably leave a lot of people with huge question marks, but I guess I can live with that, ha ha. Progressive rock have never ever been emotional to me, the music is often out of this world and always interesting to listen to, but no track have ever made tears come to my eyes. >< If you're not moved by LTE's "State of Grace," then you have no soul. :) Seriously, that is one of the most beautiful pieces of music I've ever heard. I wouldn't really call it progressive rock, but whose to say prog can't have emotion? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:27:33 EST From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: I see that anti-christian thread forming again....ug. Message-ID: In a message dated 1/4/00 12:52:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, email_address_removed writes: >< I know that topics of religion are supposedly a no-no on the jam, but I gotta clear some stuff up, and if I get banned for it, then I get banned for it. This anti-christian thread that keeps coming up every couple of months REALLY annoys me. Not because I expect everyone else to be just like me, but because most people that flame Christianity don't really understand what it's all about. And I can see why, because it's a horrenously misrepresented religion. I'll try to clear stuff up as best as I can. >< The only thing giving Christianity a bad name is people like you jumping to defend when there's nothing to defend against. Some guy (or girl) makes this ridiculous web page and we laugh at it, pointing out how ridiculous it is and how stupid this person is making themselves look. This person is obviously a fanatical, fundementalist, old-school Christian. One of those no-sex-before-death types. So we're making light of the fact, and now we're "anti-Christian"? sorry, but no. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 12:49:19 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Emotional songs Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 email_address_removed wrote: > If you're not moved by LTE's "State of Grace," then you have no soul. > > Seriously, that is one of the most beautiful pieces of music I've ever > heard. I wouldn't really call it progressive rock, but whose to say > prog can't have emotion? State of Grace was the first song that really put tears in my eyes in a prog setting. I thought it was the most gorgeous piece I'd ever heard by a piano and guitar. And then I heard Hourglass on LTE2. And I immediately changed my favorite most emotional piece I'd ever heard - Hourglass is leaps and bounds so much better than State of Grace. I think that the difference between the electric and the acoustic guitar is big enough that the two songs could even be in two different categories, but I will hold my opinion that Hourglass is SO much better than State of Grace. ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- Never pet a burning dog. ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:41:17 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" To: Subject: Mullmuzzler rulz. Message-ID: <001601bf56da$eb038940$message_id_removed> >By the way Korg, I see you listen to mullmuzzler alot... I'm thinking >about getting it but the samples on cdnow haven't sold me on it yet... Doh. I'll upload a couple of samples tonight. :) Along with some of The Gathering's stuff I told Matt and Al I'd upload (Jeez, that was about Christmas, wasn't it? Sorry, guys, I'm a little late, eh?. :\ ). I'll post the URL's here when they're up so everyone can check 'em out. *whistles the tune to the Menthos commercial* -- KorgX3 goes better with life with Menthos fresh and full of life. NP: Toto - Stop Loving You.mp3 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 18:04:53 GMT From: "Isaac Trumbo" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Message-ID: funny thing is that SFaM is based off a movie guys.. dead again :) sorry to burst your buble :) obviously it's not exactly the same as dead again but mike has said it was the basic inspiration for the album :) hehe inferno np: king crimson - larks' tounges in aspic >>Nicholas:Kenu Reeves >>Victoria Page:Catharine Zeta-Jones >>Senator Edward Baynes (The Miracle):Randy Quaid >>Julian Baynes (The Sleeper): Dennis Quaid >>The Hypnotherapist:Christopher Walken >>And the older man in Fatal Tragedy:James Earl Jones > >That's pretty damn good, but here's my list: > >Nicholas: Nicholas Cage >Victoria Page: Catherine Zeta-Jones OR Gwyneth Paltrow >Senator Edward Baynes (The Miracle): Matt Damon >Julian Baynes (The Sleeper): Brad Pitt >The Hypnotherapist: Christopher Walken (he'd be perfect) >And the older man in Fatal Tragedy: James Earl Jones ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 10:51:00 -0800 From: Jonathan D Willey To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Mullmuzzler rulz. Message-ID: > KorgX3 goes better with life with Menthos fresh and full of life. > NP: Toto - Stop Loving You.mp3 > Once again I see your CD/mp3 collection is great.... The guys in my band told me to check out TOTO's drummer if I wanted to hear some fantastic stuff, but I never got around to it... Who is their drummer and if i were to buy one CD to turn me on to TOTO which one would it be? Please feel free to deluge me with replies... ytseJon Jonathan Willey, ATC WSU ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 16:05:08 EST From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5255 Message-ID: PLEASE TAKE ME OFF YOUR MAILING LIST ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 21:23:55 -0600 From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DT tickets Message-ID: i was wondering if anyone could tell me how to get tickets to the Chicago show at the Riviera. any info would be greatly appreciated. thanks, danny hutchinson "The truth is always the strongest argument" --Sophocles ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5256 **************************