YTSEJAM Digest 5122 Today's Topics: 1) TFS Delivery Failure: YTSEJAM digest 5121 by email_address_removed 2) SMTP by "Jason Birzer" 3) Kevin and Awake by Dan Temmesfeld 4) Re: John Myung - mute, or just supercool? by The Gatherer 5) Re: The War of The Wadio by "Scott Sturdivant" 6) Assorted DT Stuff by "Kevin A. Loechner" 7) Wicked City by "Marvin Williamson" 8) Awake Keys by "Robert Newcomb" 9) Johns AWAKE era acoustic? by Matej Grginic 10) Re: "Home" and "Fourty Six & 2" by email_address_removed 11) FW: Request test by Dave Ware 12) home/tool by Carlos Andres Alfaro 13) Hi and Q2K by Erik Wahlen 14) Terry Bozzio and Mike Portnoy by "Dennis Leefl@ng" 15) Instead of chewing your toe nails...... by "Charlie_Farrell" 16) 93X by "Robert A. Jurado, MPH" 17) Re: "Home" and "Fourty Six & 2" by Jonathan D Willey 18) Re: Home by "James D. English" 19) The blitzkrieg by Joe DeAngelo 20) Re: The War of The Wadio by email_address_removed 21) Anal Log by "Christopher Ptacek" 22) jbecker/MII cover by "Trevor W. Hoit" 23) New Derek Sherinian interview online by Bart Maurissen 24) My Bologna has a first =?iso-8859-1?Q?name=85?= by "Al @ Switchcraft" 25) Analog Vs digital by "Al @ Switchcraft" 26) 93X by "Al @ Switchcraft" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 4:30:15 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Cc: email_address_removed Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: YTSEJAM digest 5121 Message-ID: Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: mnawrath@itsyourlife=2Ecom=20= ***************************************************** Administrator Newton Memorial Hospital Tel: 973-383-2121 Internet Address: a@itsyourlife=2Ecom Home Page: http://www=2Eitsyourlife=2Ecom ***************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:39:29 -0400 From: "Jason Birzer" To: Subject: SMTP Message-ID: >was that a typo? is it SMTP, as in an outgoing mail server? hehe, i >never pegged mike for a geeky one :) moo. Actually, the guys on the Thougts list want's Neil to call it that. :^) Jason ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:28:57 -0400 From: Dan Temmesfeld To: camera_i@yahoo.com, ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Kevin and Awake Message-ID: >2) does anyone else think that Kevin's playing didn't >fit "Awake"? IMHO, DT should have remade "Awake" w/ >Derek. His heavier tone would have fit that ablum >better. I love _Awake_. It's probably my fav DT album to date, primarily because of Kevin's playing on it. It's more subtle and behind the scenes, but it makes you dig harder to find it. Awake was an album that grew on me with every listen. There's so much on that album (especially stuff that Kevin did) that was sort of like a hidden treasure. It didn't pop out at you at first like his flashier playing on IAW... Anyway, as for the whole keyboardist/Kevin thing. I'm actually glad that he left. His Chroma Key stuff is some of the best stuff out there, period, IMO. I've enjoyed the Chroma Key stuff far more than any DT stuff... though DT stuff is cool, too. No flames, just my opinion. :) Dan +- Dan Temmesfeld Galactic Cowboys on the Web -+ email_address_removed http://www.dlm.net/gc/ - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - +- Life is so much cleaner on the page (chromakey)-+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:36:56 -0400 From: The Gatherer To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: John Myung - mute, or just supercool? Message-ID: Ok, I'm a pretty quiet guy myself and I know how utterly ANNOYINg it is when people talk and bitch about it. Leave the guy alone. He's cool face it. love dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:52:00 -0400 From: "Scott Sturdivant" To: Subject: Re: The War of The Wadio Message-ID: <00c401bf1b3c$f56fdd40$message_id_removed> > The Ytse Hall of Fame: Way to go guys - that's a huge list :) > Someone mentioned composing a large text list of radio station e-mail > addresses. If someone could do that it would be very useful. If anyone is > interested in compiling the list, please come forward! People could research > their own area and send the information to you privately. Each participating > Jammer can write their own unique request, paste the list into the address > bar and BCC (blind carbon copy) every station on the list in one e-mail. > If nobody else wants to do this, I will. My present schedule will make it > difficult, but I'll live. Ok, since I feel bad for not being on that list I volunteer to compose this text file and add emails to it if people send them to me. But....I just need to know about the format. It's just email address, then one comma, one space, then next address right? Or, semicolon? I don't really know. So if someone would enlighten me, I'd be more than willing to do it. Also, someone posted about what type of emails should be sent to these places and hit my feelings exactly. Guys, no long drawn out "play my band's music cause they're good and your stuff sucks" type things. Just a simple "hey, I've heard this song and it rocks, can you play it please?" gets the point across quickly and doesn't insult their program director. But, that's all just my opinion. So yes, please someone tell me the proper format, then I'll compile everything and once I'm done, I'll post again letting you know I'm done and how you can obtain a copy. Chances are I'll upload it someplace and I'll have it available as an email attachment. (Oh, for right now, I'm just grabbing all the email addresses from off of UACM - if that's ok Mark - so if you have other addresses, please send them to me) Thanks! Scott. email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:59:39 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kevin A. Loechner" To: The Ytsejam Subject: Assorted DT Stuff Message-ID: Hey Ytsejammers, I wish I was lucky enough to live in a place where I could hear the new DT single. Here in New Orleans, the only station that would possibly play it has become an all classic rock station. Now we have two classic rock stations, and one that plays pretty much alterna-crap and would never play DT. The best chance of hearing it would be on Tulane's station, but it is "too commercial" for them. So, I think great bands like DT often fall through the cracks of the music industry, in that they don't get enough commercial attention, yet they are too commercial for indie-rock stations like our college station here. Good thing is that my favorite music retailer here will be stocking several copies of the new CD! So I will wait patiently until the 26th, although it would make me feel really good to hear DT on the radio. Congratulations to everyone who has gotten DT some desperately needed airplay, maybe if more people heard the music they would come to appreciate DT also. Later, Kevin --------------------------------------------- -- Kevin A. Loechner -- -- Department of Electrical Engineering -- -- and Computer Science, Tulane University -- -- email_address_removed -- -- http://studentweb.tulane.edu/~kloechn -- --------------------------------------------- http://www.imagineradio.com/mymusiclisten.asp?name=kevin2112 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:04:01 PDT From: "Marvin Williamson" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Wicked City Message-ID: Something nasty, Something pretty, Come inside my Wicked City. http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/56/wicked_city.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:42:20 -0500 From: "Robert Newcomb" To: Subject: Awake Keys Message-ID: Are some of you bastards high?!!?? I am dead serious. There has been a recent rash of people commenting that KevMo's keywork on Awake doesn't fit. I totally disagree. It ROCKS!!!!! I am not going to get into the Kev vs Derek vs Jordan thing cause I am sick to shit of seeing it. And besides we all know who the best is anyway:)) So turn the lights down low crank up 6:00 and get off like monkeys in the zoo!! Thorin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:09:45 +0200 From: Matej Grginic To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Johns AWAKE era acoustic? Message-ID: Hello guys, does anyone have any pics of John playing the acoustic on DT AWAKE tour? Please let me know... I aprecciate it! 2 more days to the D-day :) Petrucci will bring me the acoustic to the clinic.. YEEHAA! Has anyone else on the jam bought any of the guitars John is selling? Cheers, Matej ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:11:42 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: "Home" and "Fourty Six & 2" Message-ID: I looked into to it, and I mixed a little WAV file. I had to tweak the pitch and length a little, but they sound extremely similar. Verrrrrry interesting... If anyone wanted to check it out, I posted the clip here: http://members.aol.com/Dart hMetze/study.mp3 [eriC] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 16:44:51 -0500 From: Dave Ware To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: FW: Request test Message-ID: <63E392974AF3D211A88600104B93BD8B15CBC1@bham-xchg> Guys, Ok, did a test to 93X to see if I would get a standard reply....and...er...I didn't which means two things. 1 - They haven't got a standard reply set up. 2 - I now look rather stupid... ho-hum, Dave (a UK jammer). -----Original Message----- ]From: Ellis, Wendylyn [mailto:email_address_removed Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 4:14 PM To: 'Dave Ware' Subject: RE: Request test Why would I do that? You not asking for a song to be played. Are you feeling okay today? -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 12:28 PM To: 'email_address_removed' Subject: Request test This is a test...if I get a mail back saying..."no problem we'll play it again for ya" then, lets face it - you suck... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:05:12 -0400 From: Carlos Andres Alfaro To: Ytsejam Mailing List Subject: home/tool Message-ID: I download it..and everyone should! The similarity is UNCANNY. Isnt portnoy a tool fan? ....im pretty sure ive read that somewhere. -- Without love, without truth, there can be no turning back. Without faith, without hope, there can be no peace of mind. Carlos Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:29:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Erik Wahlen To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Hi and Q2K Message-ID: Hi there! I just kind of wanted to introduce myself, since this is my first mail to the list. I've kind of lurked around to and fro, but I thought it was time to come out of the shadows...:) I'm 18, I live in the south of Sweden and I've been listening to DT for 4 years. Enough about me. I also have two questions... I'm obviously going to buy Q2K (it is a Queensryche album after all), but the question is how fast? I love the classic albums, and I like Empire and Promised Land. I'd rather forget HITNF though. So, if the new CD is as good as Empire or Promised Land (or even better), I'll buy it as soon as possible. Otherwise it can wait. The second question is short: Which Anathema CD should I buy first? A song which has really caught my ears is "Fragile Dreams" (from Alternative 4 I believe...). Private e-mails are welcome. Erik Who is currently waiting for SFAM, Conception: Flow and Vauxdvihl: TDL. I believe I'll be in prog-heaven soon:) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:47:04 +0200 From: "Dennis Leefl@ng" To: "Ytsejam" , Subject: Terry Bozzio and Mike Portnoy Message-ID: <004001bf1b4d$093eb700$049d6dc2@xs4all.nl> Hello fellow drummers! (and Jammers :)) Photo's I took at Terry Bozzio's clinic on october 17th are now on! Also photo's from Mike Portnoy's clinic on september 30th check it out: http://www.xs4all.nl/~dl/ greetz, Dennis ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.xs4all.nl/~dl dl@xs4all.nl ICQ: 21285351 StiX on IRC (irc.forestnet.org) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "All I know about life is... Every time you yank a hair out your nose... you sneeze." ~ David Letterman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:04:04 +0100 From: "Charlie_Farrell" To: Subject: Instead of chewing your toe nails...... Message-ID: <020801bf1b57$caf63120$234e95c1@farrell> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 16:09:19 +0100 ]From: Dave Perkins To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Instead of chewing your toe nails...... >I went into my local HMV today to pre-order my copy of Scenes >From A Memory (I live in the UK by the way) but he said that all >stores will have a significant supply of them for the 25th (release >date in the UK). Good news - it really bugged me having to order 'Once in a livetime' specially - though I never had any problem picking up the earlier releases. >Anyway whilst I was in there I picked up the new Marillion album, >Marillion.com and instead of tearing your hair out in anticipation any >European DT fans should get hold of a copy ASAP as it absolutely >rocks, in my opinion of course. Absolutely rocks?????? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!! You must be kidding! Its the dullest disk I've bought this year (though parts of 'Day For Night' run it close). The last track 'House' should be renamed 'lounge music' or something. Its a complete snoreathon. >Tracks such as Deserve and Built In Bastard >Radar aren't a million miles away from DT and for an all out prog assault >then Interior Lulu lasts a hefty 15 minutes and combines some of the >weirdest effects with one of the heaviest keyboard solos in history. The snippets on The Web Christmas disk and the website promised that these should be cool, but aside from parts of "Interior Lulu', its been a complete disappointment. I sincerely hope that SFAM doesn't sound anything like Marillion.Com. With so many great gigs coming up in November, no need to waste another #12 on Marillion. >All The Best: Dave "Calling All Stations" Perkins Well if you like that - maybe that explains it. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:13:08 +0700 From: "Robert A. Jurado, MPH" To: ytsejam , al@isd.net Subject: 93X Message-ID: I sent another e-mail to 93X with the subject "hi there." The text of the message was as follows: "I was hoping to hear "Home" by Dream Theater. I got an e-mail saying something like "thanks for listening. We'll play it again." I haven't heard it yet. Maybe I'm tuning in at the wrong time. Anyway, thanks." Let's see what happens. Maybe we're just innundating them leading to an autoreply. Anyway, we'll see how our little experiments work. Al, keep us apprised. -Rob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:31:19 -0700 From: Jonathan D Willey To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: "Home" and "Fourty Six & 2" Message-ID: > I looked into to it, and I mixed a little WAV file. I had to tweak > the pitch > and length a little, but they sound extremely similar. Verrrrrry > interesting... > > If anyone wanted to check it out, I posted the clip here: HREF="http://members.aol.com/DarthMetze/study.mp3">http://members.aol.com /Dart > hMetze/study.mp3 That is way to uncanny for me......I had trouble distinguishing the break between the two songs.... BUT, DON'T listen to the clip if you don't want part of the long version of Home spoiled for you!!! Good work my friend... ytseJon Jonathan Willey, ATC WSU ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:03:27 -0400 From: "James D. English" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Home Message-ID: Apparently I am one of the few who hasn't heard the new single. Can someone please e-mail me privatly with a web address or somewhere I can download it? South Florida radio sucks. I haven't heard a good song on the radio in years here. Thanks, email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:47:29 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: The blitzkrieg Message-ID: AL said: > The power of the Jam should > never be underestimated. Remember ACoS? Hehe, that can be our battle cry (a la "Remember the Alamo"). "REMEMBER ACOS!!!!" :) - Joe D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 23:20:50 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: The War of The Wadio Message-ID: >< The Ytse Hall of Fame: Fran Brennan Chris Ptacek Andrew Coutermarsh Daniel Chen John Parks Jonathan Willey James Ahab Dan McCormack - The Cow God Josh Calkin Krysten DeBroka Rob Reid Fernando rauber Bill Blanchard Brian Larkin John Reiter Peter - email_address_removed Mike 'Jay Omega' Pelarski Chris Jerolamon Matej Grginic Isaac Trumbo Joe DeAngelo Robert Jurado Jerry - email_address_removed David Landis Jason Herbert David Dixon Dave Ware Olivier Ouellet Alex Jordan Janne Jokitalo Martin Nyman Oddvar Lovaas Michael McLoughlin Mark Schmidt Gilberto Bressan Ian Perge Chuck Reis (KorgX3) Tainted Cheese Staff Lisa Marie Palma Brian Hansen Brian Lundy Tom Winn Paul Evans Tom Winn Bill Huston Dale Newberry Mike Dixon Lisa Centorrino Jeremy Smirnoff Kurt Hampton Jim Luzar email_address_removed Jan-Michael Jonas Opsal Someone mentioned composing a large text list of radio station e-mail addresses. If someone could do that it would be very useful. If anyone is interested in compiling the list, please come forward! People could research their own area and send the information to you privately. >< Well I don't know who will do it, but here's one radio e-mail in advance. I posted this already, but can't hurt. email_address_removed - WYSP 94.1 in Philadelphia - Jim *Brooks* not Ahab. lol np: clockwork - surface tension ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 02:20:02 -0500 From: "Christopher Ptacek" To: Subject: Anal Log Message-ID: <003d01bf1b94$b1e8d880$013ca8c0@madstation> > From: Jay Omega > Subject: Re: Analog vs digital It's interesting that you bring this up, because I almost forgot that I received information that tells me I was wrong to back down against Al a while back. According to my recording tech professor, who has studied the physics involved in analog recording, record, erase, and playback heads ARE magnets, unlike what Al insisted. They aren't your typical refrigerator stock, but are instead electromagnets (Al granted this where it regards record heads). Degaussing, is used to remove residual flux that interferes with the head's accuracy, but when it is functioning, a tape head IS a magnet, as is the tape itself. The process of recording magnetizes a tape, and the process of playback uses an electromagnet to read the tape (whether by measuring flux or reluctance, I can't recall, but I can summon data to back it up if need be) This process degrades the integrity of the tape's signal, because as flux is run through the tape, minute parts of the tape move, become magnetized, shift, etc. None of this has anything to do with what sounds better: MP3 or Cassette. What I agree with is that tape is a more accurate representation of reality, in a sense. Analog tape is best described as a volume knob. Every "bit" that Dickenson described (these are actually remnants... bits of iron oxide... when they are magnetized, they are called "domains" which basically means that it's a tiny polar magnet) can be PARTIALLY magnetized. You can have degrees of on and off, unlike on digital samples. No matter what your sample rate, a sample can only be on or off, like a power switch. Not as flexible as analog tape, but in most cases, sonically superior to most analog... certainly to cassette tape. Reel to reel will always have some benefits that digital can't reproduce, but at some point, it will become such a finite difference that it won't be possible for any living being to find a fault with digital. And I think Al would agree. > Unbelivable is a good word. 64 bits would be 384 dB of dynamic range. > I don't think anything on earth hits 200 (Jet takeoffs are around 130). > And dB are a logarithmic scale, like the Richter (sp?) scale for > earthquakes; adding 10 dB means 10 TIMES as much electrical power, > (+20 = 100x, +30 = 1000x... think what "250 dB louder than a jet > engine" implies.) Well, according to the formula we've been taught, the volume is doubled roughly every 3 dB. Around 136 dB, according to our professor, the ear "gives its final protest" which is generally a bloody affair. hitting 384 dB would have to be an extinction level event. :) The ear's tolerance for volume works proportionally (insofar as it too is a logarithmic scale) to the dB scale, in a sense... the louder the sound, the shorter the duration you can handle. Just an interesting note, I guess. All of this and more will be covered in Jay Omega's new self-help-guru book "The Nyquist Theorem and You: an introspective journey" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:49:34 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: jbecker/MII cover Message-ID: > Just to let everyone know that Jason Becker's new cd, > entitled "Raspberry Jams", is now on sale at CDNOW > for the moderate price of $12.99. > Anybody heard it? Is it good? Mine's backordered. So is the new Vitalij Kuprij. That's why I'm not ordering SFaM from there. The whole album cover is up at CDNow. BTW, doesn't seem a little similar to another progmetal band's recently released one-track concept album? trevor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:21:47 +0200 From: Bart Maurissen To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: New Derek Sherinian interview online Message-ID: Check it out at http://www.iad.be/mindview Regards, Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 06:37:20 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" To: retaehT maerD Subject: My Bologna has a first =?iso-8859-1?Q?name=85?= Message-ID: DTGirl2612 wrote: >Can a DTGirl keep her mouth shut for 74 minutes? >Depends what is in it at the time I suppose 8-p I'm biting my tongue here... There has to be a graceful way out of this. Ahh! I've got it... My Darling, If we are listening to SFaM together, the only thing I want in your mouth is the air required to support your beautiful smile. /The ProGtologist trades his Latex glove for a tube of Chap Stick. >You mean you really are an ass doctor? Only on spiritual level. Show me your ass and I'll pray for you. ;-) -- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When you live in the land of 10,000 lakes, it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:16:14 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" To: retaehT maerD Subject: Analog Vs digital Message-ID: Chris Oates wrote: >Digital Vs Analog: >To the guy who said that increasing to 96 bit would mean 300+ decibels of >sound: >As much as I enjoy arguing against Al (grin) -- you've missed the point >here. adding to the bits in a digital stream does not necessrily mean more >high volumes. What it means is a higher resolution -- more discrete steps >in the same decibel range. Think of it like switching from 22 Khz to 44 >Khz sampling rate. Youy don't get something twice as long, you get >something with twice the subtlety. And that's where Digital falls behind >the ultra high-end analog gear. Thank you Chris! I was trying to think of a way to enlighten him without slamming him. One needs to understand the differences between amplitude, bandwidth, and resolution, before applying reasonably good math skills to what appears to be a modest grasp of science as it applies to audio reproduction. The unnamed Jammer needs to understand that while Bruce Dickinson may not have the technical expertise to word his argument in such a way that would have all the EEs bowing at his feet, he's been around a few recording studios and has first hand experience with both analog and digital in their highest form. Maybe he should go back and carefully read ALL of the page he quoted from. I have, and I recommend anyone else interested in the topic do the same. http://www.theabsolutesound.com/dvdhope.htm Hint: The decibel figures he was quoting was the dynamic range above the noise floor (signal-to-noise ratio) not the practical limits of the media. Mr. Green is very careful with his wording, and makes it quite clear that the NEWEST digital media is ALMOST as good as analog in terms of sonic accuracy. He also explains that the lower noise floor of digital is outweighed by the (at this time) unavoidable harmonic distortions introduced by the process when the signal levels are low. He should really go back and read that article carefully. Before getting all excited about the "new" digital media, I recommend he READ the author's buried disclaimer found in the very article he provided the link for. Robert E. Green wrote: (author) "Most of the discussion in the main article has been based on theory - on the theoretical information capacity of the various digital standards. But we don't listen to theory, and it is natural to ask how well the theory can be put into practice. In particular, is true 96 kHz/24bit recording really possible? Is it available now? And what about 96/24 playback?" I rest my case... -- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When you live in the land of 10,000 lakes, it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:24:28 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" To: retaehT maerD Subject: 93X Message-ID: For those of you that feel deceitful because you've sent requests to a radio station that you think you can't tune in... Think again! They have a live net feed. http://www.93x.com I'm going to give them another day to make good on their claims. Then... To quote the "Go Go Gophers" cartoon: "Oopy doopy, we have fun" -- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When you live in the land of 10,000 lakes, it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water. ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5122 **************************