YTSEJAM Digest 5110 Today's Topics: 1) ***** PROGPOWER - IMPORTANT UPDATE ***** by "Rene Janssen" 2) DT sales by "Robert A. Jurado, MPH" 3) Zwolle, IJsselhal, Netherlands by Richard 4) Space-Dye Vest by "Paul Tadday" 5) Re: Doors by email_address_removed 6) Re: Re: Jimmy M. by Angelo Lombardi 7) Alex takes his first step... (Aww,isn't he cute?) by "Al @ Switchcraft" 8) Vacuum packed poontang by "Al @ Switchcraft" 9) The Doors by "Al @ Switchcraft" 10) Japanese SFAM by "M. Emerson" 11) Re: A Crack in the Mirror / Puppies on Acid by "Pye, Adam" 12) Dresden - The real deal by "Mike Patrick" 13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5109 by "Lionel" 14) New album from cd now by "Lauzon, Gary: IHAB" 15) Incubus!!!! by Al Balkiewicz 16) Re: Finlandia vs. Absolut vs. Stolichnaya by Olivier Ouellet 17) Re: LOSE 30 POUNDS IN 30 DAYS, GUARANTEED! by NuGgeTMaN 18) Re: New album from cd now by "Edward Polzin" 19) Re: Japanese SFAM by email_address_removed 20) Planet X by Barbara B 21) Re: Derek interview by "Timo Virkkala" 22) Re: Planet X by "Timo Virkkala" 23) Re: Japanese SFAM by TheCowGod 24) Wicked City by "Marvin Williamson" 25) Wicked City by "Marvin Williamson" 26) New Stuck Mojo CD out (sort of) by Kurt M Hampton 27) DT In-Store Appearance in Long Island - IMPORTANT INFO! by "M. Emerson" 28) CDNow coupons... by William Cary Hall 29) Re: Derek interview by Trent 30) Re: DT In-Store Appearance in Long Island - IMPORTANT INFO! by email_address_removed (Webmaster) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:16:34 +0200 From: "Rene Janssen" To: Subject: ***** PROGPOWER - IMPORTANT UPDATE ***** Message-ID: Dear progfans, we had one hell of a week here at the ProgPower organisation. Let me just = say here very carefully that the bandlist has changed a bit. We do hope = that you like the changes. Please check out the website and find out about = all that has happened.... Aside from those changes that you surely think are pretty important, you = can now also find more information about: - finding your way to ProgPower 1999 - for the participating bands: pics taken from the stages at the venue to = make you nervous already - what to do in and around Tilburg (showdates, tourist info) - how to order tickets from abroad (online and by telephone) Please let us know what you think (sign the guestbook or use the messageboa= rd), Rene Janssen http://www.progpower.com/=20 email_address_removed/=20 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =20 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:51:54 +0700 From: "Robert A. Jurado, MPH" To: ytsejam Subject: DT sales Message-ID: Trent wrote: --- "Robert A. Jurado, MPH" wrote: > Actually, I think MP estimated that they sell that > much > worldwide. You're wrong. ------- Actually, I hope you're right. I was disappointed to come to the belief that MP estimated that they sell 500,000 worldwide. Maybe, I misunderstood. I hope they sell more than that. They certainly deserve better. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:51:39 +0200 From: Richard To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: Zwolle, IJsselhal, Netherlands Message-ID: <38057D7B.44E3@wxs.nl> Is anyone from around Utrecht going to the November 11 Dream Theater concert in Zwolle? I need a ride and would really appreciate it if someone could help me out. Please contact me through personal email... -- \= Richard Karsmakers - email_address_removed - ICQ #18645533 =/ | STNICCC2000; Dawn Crosby; GWAR; Diskmags; Shred Guitar; Allies | | "ST NEWS"; "W3M3"; "Twilight World"; Plantiac; "UVK 2000" | | FOG; Detente; Fear of God; Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged | | P.O. Box 67, NL-3500 AB, Utrecht - The Netherlands | /===--------------- http://www.fortysecond.net ---------------===\ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:46:30 +1000 From: "Paul Tadday" To: Subject: Space-Dye Vest Message-ID: <002201bf1620$a3754780$adc0868b@user> Howdy All, This is my first ever post to this awesome list! I'm a DT/prog metal freak from Melbourne Australia. DT have been one of my fave bands since '92 along with QR since '85, Fates Warning, Savatage, Rush and countless others! Can someone on the list please enlighten me to the story and/or concept behind Space-Dye Vest? This song is one of the most enchanting that I have ever heard. Are the sampled voices/effects in the background taken from a movie? If so which one? Or... is it a conceptual storyline put together by the guys themselves? I hope someone out there can answer these vexing questions that I've wanted the answers to ever since I first heard AWAKE! You all ROCK!!! Paul. (Mr. Evil) ICQ:40660551 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 05:24:22 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@torchsong.com" Subject: Re: Doors Message-ID: from Joe DeAngelo >> Yep, Jim might have sounded a bit rough in the singing department but >> they were still awesome, some of the songs just take me away. > Rough in the singing department? For real? His voice is the highlight > of the band IMO. I'd DEFINITELY rank him in my all-time top 5 singers. Well I didn't say he was bad but some of his live performances are a bit iffy. The band are the highlight of the band not Jim! I think the doors were a good example of the sum of the part theory. fav Doors tunes, Peace Frog, Riders, The Crystal ship, When the music's over, LA Woman + many many more. Getting goose bumps just thinking about these tunes.. Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:30:57 -0700 From: Angelo Lombardi To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Re: Jimmy M. Message-ID: > > I'm in one of my moods again... Does anyone else here on the > >Jam think The Doors kicked ass? > > > >-- > >Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist > > No, Al, not me. > > I think they were a poor excuse for a musical entity, with a strung out > pseudo-poet as their "leader". > > yuck. Unlistenable, IMHO. But then, what do I know, anyway? Maybe it's just > my crappy stereos through the years that have made them sound that way. :) > No, it's not your stereo. It's their lack of talent. I couldn't agree with you more with, and I quote: "a poor excuse for a musical entity, with a strung out pseudo-poet as their "leader"." The Doors were awful, IMO. And I think that the best thing that Jim Morrison has ever done was...... die. Angelo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:21:00 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" To: retaehT maerD Subject: Alex takes his first step... (Aww,isn't he cute?) Message-ID: Alex Jordan wrote: >by the way, to any of you may think that AL's audiophile ravings are a bit >eccentric, let me assure you that he speaks the truth. with his advice i >bought some good-quality midfi gear this summer, and WOW, what a difference! >particularly amazing when listening to prog is the clear distinction between >the bass drum and the bass (Symphony X provides an excellent example). to >anyone who finds some of Myung's work obscured in the DT mix, try listening >on some quality gear--the difference is really something. i'm finding >something new on every album that i listen to, such as the doubled vocals on Cool! I'm glad you're beginning to see the light. Don't stop there, keep upgrading as your wallet gets fatter. As I'm sure your finding out, you can never go backwards. Just for the tease of it, go to a VERY hi-end store and check out the hardware. Make sure to bring some of your favorite recordings with. Find a dealer that carries Wadia Digital CD players. I promise you'll have your mind blown. I warn you though... You may have an uncontrollable urge to trade your present vehicle for a 78 Chevette and spend the remaining cash on audio gear. -- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When you live in the land of 10,000 lakes, it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:33:08 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" To: retaehT maerD Subject: Vacuum packed poontang Message-ID: DTGirl2612 wrote: >Al the Ytse POKEtologist wrote: {SNIP I couldn't take it! She was like kissing a toilet plunger. She must {have been using that big ass like a bellows. I have no other explanation for her {impression of gonzo guppy the great. Now granted, her "unique" technique {could have its uses, just keep her out of my face........ SNIP> >And the crocodile swam off down the canal in Venice singing: >"Drained wops keep falling on my head >I eaten dinner now it's time to find a bed >Sucking's not for me BUT >I'm never gonna stop the vampires from dining >I get their leavings for free >Nothing's worrying me." >BITE girls don't suck!!! LOL. You can plunge on my face anytime, baby! This is assuming you're not really hideous. :) If your teeth look like Corn Nuts, stay the fuck away from me PLEASE. If you're a babe, I'd like to dance with you as close as I can get without getting wet. And even that is negotiable. -- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When you live in the land of 10,000 lakes, it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:08:26 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" To: retaehT maerD Subject: The Doors Message-ID: Wow! I see the Doors thread really took off... Rather than answer the multitude of questions individually, I'll address them best I can in one reply. Most of you will NEVER understand what the Doors were all about. Yes, drugs played a VERY BIG role in their unique sound and stage antics. A dark room with a lone candle is probably the best environment to really appreciate their music. Knowing the lyrics really helps. However, for the full effect of the Doors, it helps greatly if your in the domain of altered states yourself. American Prayer is truly unique, to say the least. As far a Val Kilmer playing the role of Jim Morrison.. I don't ANYONE could have done it better. The direction was excellent. Having the other band members as consultants was quite helpful for keeping the story accurate and in the proper mindset for those of us that remember what it's like to be really tuned. I have many fond memories of watching the reels-go-round on my open reel machine as I drifted off to another planet. It was nice there... The Doors wasn't just a band, they were a mindset. -- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When you live in the land of 10,000 lakes, it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:52:14 -0400 From: "M. Emerson" To: "Ytse Jam" Subject: Japanese SFAM Message-ID: <000701bf1643$02962f00$message_id_removed> i don't know if anyone has yet answered the question of whether or not there will be extra tracks with the japanese release of the new album, but i just wanted to state that i have it on very good authority that it will NOT...repeat, NOT...have extra material... mikE email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:29:40 -0500 From: "Pye, Adam" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: Re: A Crack in the Mirror / Puppies on Acid Message-ID: >>What's the difference between the songs A Crack in the mirror and puppies on >>acid? "A Crack in the Mirror" is kind of an "intro" section to "Puppies on Acid". "Crack" screams Derrek (which, in this case, I really dig) and is a chunky, keyboard driven instrumental section. "Puppies on Acid" is the intro to "The Mirror" on Awake. They debuted it during the I&W tour as an intro to "Take the Time". It seemed much slower then, and heavier, than it is now. When these two intros are put together, the setlist says "Crack/Puppies". :) They did alot of "Crack/Puppies -> JLMB" during the first legs of the FII tour. Adam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:36:54 -0400 From: "Mike Patrick" To: Subject: Dresden - The real deal Message-ID: <003301bf1640$cc0a2c40$message_id_removed> How do bands like this just spring up out of nowhere? I'll just second their recommendation - go to Mp3.com and/or http://www.dresdenband.com It's not DT, something different, kind of refreshing, less metal and hard rock progressive, but they've got the goods... Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:50:41 +0800 From: "Lionel" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5109 Message-ID: <000c01bf164b$1d423620$c5a315a5@tmcht> Guys, I am currently using a BOSS ME-30 which is supposed to have included all the chipsets of the individual Boss stomp boxes. But I'm getting a very digital (flat) tone... I get a better tone straight from my Fender Bronco Amp. How do I get a more "sweeter" analog tone? I'm using a JPM90HAM... by the way, I just got the Queensryche Q2K album... ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! anyone agree? Lionel Wong "...Though I walk through valleys alone, I fear no evil. By the waters still my soul, My heart will trust in you..." - Hillsongs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:26:00 -0400 From: "Lauzon, Gary: IHAB" To: "'DT'" Subject: New album from cd now Message-ID: The ones who pre-ordered with CD NOW, will they actually get the album before or after?! just wondering.. Mr. ProG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:10:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Incubus!!!! Message-ID: > If anyone has an mp3 of Incubus: Certain Shade of Green (or wouldn't > mind making one), could they please email it to me? > You can download it off of http://www.toolcity.net/~farzalo/home.html under the multimedia section...... In other news, Incubus' new album, "Make Yourself" will be released on the same day as SFaM. If you pre-order it from UBL, you will also receive a copy of their FIRST album, which is OUT OF PRINT, "Fungus Amongus", FREE!! The CD is going for $12.49 (+shipping), so it's a hell of a deal..... The link is: http://www.ubl.com/fp.asp?layout=main_advlisten_page Later, all -Al -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= w e w a l k i n t h e d a m a g e o f m a n k i n d -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= email_address_removed OR email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:36:02 -0400 From: Olivier Ouellet To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Finlandia vs. Absolut vs. Stolichnaya Message-ID: <01bf1651$70745f20$1554fdcf@default> Well, after a trip to Russia, my take on it is Moskovskaya. I actually saw Lenin blink because of the stuff. For some DTC, anyone from Quebec City know if CHOI is playing "Home"? Olio ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:38:59 -0400 From: NuGgeTMaN To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: LOSE 30 POUNDS IN 30 DAYS, GUARANTEED! Message-ID: Damnitt man!!! I guess everyone knows I'm a fatass :( email_address_removed wrote: > > *****AMAZING MELT AWAY FAT ABSORBER CAPSULES***** > > *****WE GLADLY SHIP TO ALL FOREIGN COUNTRIES***** > > LOSE 30 POUNDS IN 30 DAYS... GUARANTEED!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:43:44 -0500 From: "Edward Polzin" To: Subject: Re: New album from cd now Message-ID: <001901bf1652$8ab350c0$dc9d8ad1@boner> depends on the shipping method. if you use fedex, you should get it on the 26th. if you use USPS, you may get it on the 26th, but most likely later. ----- Original Message ----- ]From: Lauzon, Gary: IHAB To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 9:08 AM Subject: New album from cd now > > The ones who pre-ordered with CD NOW, will they actually get the album > before or after?! > > just wondering.. > > Mr. ProG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:31:18 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Japanese SFAM Message-ID: In a message dated 10/14/99 1:02:13 PM !!!First Boot!!!, email_address_removed writes: << i don't know if anyone has yet answered the question of whether or not there will be extra tracks with the japanese release of the new album, but i just wanted to state that i have it on very good authority that it will NOT...repeat, NOT...have extra material... >> One of the guys, JLB i think, confirmed that in an interview. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:13:22 -0400 From: Barbara B To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Planet X Message-ID: >> I saw an ad in a newspaper (Quebec City) for a store called Planet X. Turns out it's an erotic shop. I'm sure Derek would be happy about that. > >Hmm, maybe the whole space feel to the album is a cover up, and Derek >named it for his favorite pleasure chest ;) Since we are discussing the "theories" behind the name Planet X, I'd like to mention that the planet Pluto is often referred to as Planet X. Just a little UFI (useless f@#kin' information) for you all. Babs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:13:25 +0300 From: "Timo Virkkala" To: Subject: Re: Derek interview Message-ID: <008601bf1678$b22acfe0$f5f1d5d4@virkti-6> >Someone (forgive me I forgot your name) posted a link to shockwave magazine >where they had an interview with Derek Sherinian. I was glad to read that >he is doing fine. Honestly, I wasn't so sure about his future after DT. >Now is it just me or has there been really nothing said about the >circumstances surrounding his departure other than "he got fired/kicked >out" or the usual bullshit about "creative differences"? I have been out >of the information loop for a while so any insight would be appreciated. Hmm.. I remember seeing an interview where he told that in January 1999, he had just gotten home when he received a conference call from the other guys in DT and they told him they were releasing him from his duties.. He said he was a bit shocked but then thought that actually the timing was pretty good; now he had the time to do Planet X. Something like that, anyway =) -WT- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:21:26 +0300 From: "Timo Virkkala" To: Subject: Re: Planet X Message-ID: <009f01bf1679$5d959040$f5f1d5d4@virkti-6> >>> I saw an ad in a newspaper (Quebec City) for a store called Planet X. >Turns out it's an erotic shop. I'm sure Derek would be happy about that. >> >>Hmm, maybe the whole space feel to the album is a cover up, and Derek >>named it for his favorite pleasure chest ;) > >Since we are discussing the "theories" behind the name Planet X, I'd like >to mention that the planet Pluto is often referred to as Planet X. Actually, not.. Or at least AFAIK. It refers to the supposed planet outside Pluto's orbit. -WT- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:21:32 -0400 (EDT) From: TheCowGod To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Japanese SFAM Message-ID: > One of the guys, JLB i think, confirmed that in an interview. hasn't it been confirmed that the CD is 78 minutes long? there's no room for extra material. unless it was on a bonus cd of course. moo. *** END OF TRANSMISSION *** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:43:32 PDT From: "Marvin Williamson" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Wicked City Message-ID: Hay there's a new band out of memphis called wicked city that has got a web page on www.mp3.com that rocks!!!!!..(ok,so this is a shameless plug for my band. But please check it out. We have a sample MP3 that you can check out and in the next week we will have a 4 song CD that can be bought on-line.) Hope ya like it. If ya do, e-mail me and I can put you on the list were starting to inform people of updates to the band and our webpage. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 12:45:40 PDT From: "Marvin Williamson" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Wicked City Message-ID: Oh yea, the web site is.... http://www.mp3.com/artists/56/wicked_city.html please come and check it out.... thanks ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:07:06 -0500 From: Kurt M Hampton To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: New Stuck Mojo CD out (sort of) Message-ID: Hey all, I found the new Stuck Mojo Live CD "HVY 1" today at a small CD store in Hammond, where I go to school. The ironic thing is, friends went to 6 different major chains in New Orleans and could not find it. Well here is the review: The CD is FULL of energy. The live sound was recorded very well by Andy Sneap. The CD is mostly dominated by "Rising" tracks, but the band goes back and plays a few from the first to albums. What I found intresting is the direction of the two new studio tracks "Reborn" and "My Will" They still have that Stuck Mojo groove to them, but Rich (guitarist) actually sings the choruses instead of cookie monstering them. And this is equally as surprising to the use of keyboards to add to the stmosphere of the songs in certain parts. The two new songs show the bands new found maturity. The CD was supposed to be released in early September, but the band found a new deal with Korn's new label, which prbably upset Century Media (this was one of their big bands), and I am guessing that's why it was pushed back to Oct. On a 1 to 10 I give this CD an 8 for energy, heaviness and fun. Kurt NP-Korn Life is Peachy (I am not ashamed to like Korn either) "and though it leads to nowhere, you part debris and keep on going"-Doubledrive New Dream Theater "Scenes From a Memory" out Oct 26th "I don't know how the guys in Slayer are going to past 40"-Paul Blocker ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 16:14:05 -0400 From: "M. Emerson" To: "Ytse Jam" Subject: DT In-Store Appearance in Long Island - IMPORTANT INFO! Message-ID: <000f01bf1680$bc45cfe0$message_id_removed> just wanted to drop a quick heads-up to the 'jam... in case you weren't already aware, OFB (minus Petrucci) is doing an in-store appearance at a music store in Long Island on the release date of the new album (i'm not going to post all the info here, 'cause you can find it under the 'News' link at www.dreamtheater.net)... anyway, i just called the store for directions (as well as confirm the info for myself (not that i doubt the info...it's just that i'm leaving work early and i'm traveling quite a distance to get there...)), and they told me 2 things that differ from the info that i read on the aforementioned web site: 1 - the band will be at the store at 7:00 pm, not 6:00 pm, as the announcement states, and (most importantly) 2 - the band will NOT (repeat - NOT) be performing at that appearance...they will only be doing an autograph session... now, i realize that the guy that i talked to at the store may have misinformed me, but you might want to confirm details for yourselves if you're planning on making the trip out there... later... mikE email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 16:27:39 -0400 (EDT) From: William Cary Hall To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: CDNow coupons... Message-ID: Anybody got some CDnow coupons ( or know where to find some) that are not expired? Everywhere I go I find coupons that have expired. Cary ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:30:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Trent To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Derek interview Message-ID: --- Timo Virkkala wrote: > Hmm.. I remember seeing an interview where he told > that in January 1999, he > had just gotten home when he received a conference > call from the other guys > in DT and they told him they were releasing him from > his duties. When I first joined the Jam, LTE were just about to go on tour. Shortly thereafter, DT announced the departure of Derek. I remember about a month after the press release, Mike (I think) actually pointedly discussed why Derek was kicked out. I think the word "gay" was used, but I don't want to dig up that business again or worse yet take the quote out of context with how it was used. Anyone have that particular quote in it's entirety? ===== *Trent "Life is like a nacho; you can put anything you want on it, but if it gets too cheesy, it's your fault." Me :: listen to music :: Metropolis-- http://members.xoom.com/metrotrent __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 04:38:58 -0300 From: email_address_removed (Webmaster) To: Subject: Re: DT In-Store Appearance in Long Island - IMPORTANT INFO! Message-ID: <001601bf16e0$57d93000$message_id_removed> > > just wanted to drop a quick heads-up to the 'jam... > > 1 - the band will be at the store at 7:00 pm, not 6:00 pm, as the > announcement states, and (most importantly) > 2 - the band will NOT (repeat - NOT) be performing at that appearance...they > will only be doing an autograph session... Yeah they will be performing the whole new album, and I will be filling in for JP that night.... =) ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5110 **************************