YTSEJAM Digest 5104

Today's Topics:

  1) Patients!
 by Anil Sahal <email_address_removed.ac.uk>
  2) Re: Upset about Upset People
 by "Phil Carter" <email_address_removed>
  3) Re: LTE news item!!!
 by Trent <email_address_removed>
  4) Re: Why I downloaded the new album...
 by Trent <email_address_removed>
  5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5103
 by "stan tyszka" <email_address_removed>
  6) RE:  John P's equipment
 by "T. Beachler" <email_address_removed>
  7) Re: Your Candidancy and Recognition
 by email_address_removed
  8) re: Simpson's reference
 by Brian Hansen <email_address_removed>
  9) Re: Boots vs. Pirating
 by "Edward Polzin" <email_address_removed>
 10) Re: Patients!
 by Brad Plumb <email_address_removed>
 11) Late release date...
 by Jonathan D Willey <email_address_removed>
 12) re: Pirate vs. Bootleg
 by Brian Hansen <email_address_removed>
 13) Re: Why I downloaded the new album...
 by email_address_removed
 14) The Many Topics of Yt Se Jam.
 by Christopher Ptacek <email_address_removed>
 15) re: Pirate vs. Bootleg
 by Trent <email_address_removed>
 16) Re: Pirate vs. Bootleg
 by "Edward Polzin" <email_address_removed>
 17) Re: Patients!
 by Brad Plumb <email_address_removed>
 18) anyone who's got SFaM
 by rockrockrockrock <email_address_removed>
 19) Men's Sexual Secrets
 by email_address_removed
 20) Helsinki Simpsons?
 by email_address_removed
 21) John P's equipment
 by email_address_removed
 22) Vanden Plas - Far Off Grace
 by email_address_removed.SE

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:40:30 +0000
From: Anil Sahal <email_address_removed.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Patients!
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.ac.uk>


Whatever happened to good old patients?  Half the funn is in the waiting
for the release! 

Perhaps it's a sign of our "MTV" culture and its need for instant
gratification!

Then again it could be a sign that I'm a sad old git!

Anil



Anil Sahal
Motoneurone Research Group
Neuroscience and Biomedical Systems
West Medical Building
University of Glasgow
Glasgow
G12 8QQ
0141 339 8855 ext.4552

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:50:13 -0400
From: "Phil Carter" <email_address_removed>
To: A Ytse of Seasons <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: Upset about Upset People
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Greetings ye 'jamanoids...

Zack:
>Why didn't everyone voice how bad-bad-naughty-naughty they thought this
>whole bootleg guy was on the jam right after he solicited? 

Because I sent him private emails instead. The whole 'jam doesn't need to
see "Take your advertisements elsewhere, idiot," which is basically what I
sent him.

Get off your high horse. 

cheers,
Phil

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:19:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Trent <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: LTE news item!!!
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>



--- Joe DeAngelo <email_address_removed> wrote:
> 
> LIQUID TENSION EXPERIMENT REUNION
<snip>

I laughed real hard after reading this.  Thanks for
perking up my Monday morning.

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:26:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Trent <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Why I downloaded the new album...
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>



--- email_address_removed wrote:
> 
> Yes, I did it.  I downloaded the new album.  I found
> it on IRC purely by 
> chance, and couldn't help myself from getting it. 
> Some of you might bitch 
> and moan about that, but honestly I don't care. 
> Some of you are a little too 
> anal at times (no, I'm not referring to the rectum).

When that little "No SFAM discussion on the Jam" came
from on high, I felt kinda good about it, as if my
surprise wouldn't be spoiled.  When it was lifted
(which basically meant the band said it was okay to
discuss the new album), I still haven't discussed nor
have I downloaded mp3s.  I never really understood why
until yesterday.

I stopped waiting for the album's actual release for
the sake of the band a long time ago.  Now, I'm not
listening to mp3s or whatever b/c I choose not to.  I
want to be surprised on Oct. 26th.  And when I take
the CD home to listen to it for the first time, I want
to do it in such a way so that nothing will be spoiled
for me.

I'm not trying to flame you.  We each made our
decisions based on our appreciation for the music.  If
you're satisfied with the way things turned out, I say
props to you.  As far as other people's opinions go,
personally I think some list members tend to overreact
every time Mikey picks his nose, but that's just my
opinion.  Laterz.

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:39:22 -0400
From: "stan tyszka" <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5103
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


>>
>>
>>Thank you very much for your time. Be sure and take advantage of this FR=
>EE
>opportunity to test your PC with the same software used currently on
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>other Y2K issues you may have. We are here to help.
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>
>>Jennifer Rice
>>IntelliSoft Corp.
>>(877) 834-5711


anyone else noticed that the jam has gone completly commercial since it has
changed addresses?  now not only do we get to see information on our
favorite band but we also getto shop for anything from Y2K compliance to
breast implants and penis enlargements.  this is GrEaT!  Now I know where I
am gonna start advertising my Y2K compliant Penis Enlargement System. 
Better act fast as millions of men will be rendered in0operable unless they
subscribe to this service before 12-31-99.  HAHAHAHA

Stan-natS      "If that isn't enough to make you dizzy....



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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:22:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: "T. Beachler" <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: RE:  John P's equipment
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


]From: "Heikki Kemppinen" <email_address_removed>
Subject: John P's equipment

Does any fellow guitarist have any info on what kinds
of strings and picks our favorite guitarist, John
Petrucci uses?

thanks!
-------------------

Dunlop Jazz III picks.  "The little black ones."  He
uses these because they have a small point on them.
He uses different kinds of strings.  D'addario
009-.042 usually.  At a clinic I went to he used an
Ernie Ball Hybrid set (.009-.046) so who knows!

TB


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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:36:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: re: Simpson's reference
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>



email_address_removed posted:

> Although I am sure your post was not meant to be
malicious, can you write 
> Finnish as well as he can write
Engish????????Probably not .......... 

Although I'm sure your post was not meant to be
humorous, let me throw you a clue...damn, you missed
it again.

There's a meeting of the American Neo-fascist
Anti-Humor League in your area soon. You may want to
attend.

my $.02, BH

P.S. While this doesn't need to be said, I'll go ahead
and make it clear that I thought the original
Simpson's reference was on purpose, and I was
acknowledging that I found it funny. And I didn't see
(or try to infer) any problems with the "English"
used.
 
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:20:43 -0500
From: "Edward Polzin" <email_address_removed>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Boots vs. Pirating
Message-ID: <004a01bf1415$5d2f1a60$49078ad1@boner>


you're allowing your own opinion, i suppose.  Pirating, in my opinion, is
stealing.  you are unlawfully copying and selling replications of cds you do
not own the copyright and do not have permission to do so.  Bootlegging is
(generally speaking) a complement to a hardcore fan's collection.  it's
usually unreleased demos, live shows, or other material that "leaks" to the
public's hands.  of course, there are always people who are making money off
of bootlegs, but they aren't considered to be in my "general" case.

>
> What is the difference between PIRATING and BOOTLEGGING?  It STILL sounds
like
> STEALING to me!!!!!!!
>


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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:50:44 -0500
From: Brad Plumb <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Patients!
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


At 07:59 AM 10/11/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Whatever happened to good old patients?  Half the funn is in the waiting
>for the release! 
>

hmmm... patients? Well I guess the ytsejam could be considered an
alleviation for your daily flame&idiocy addiction, or prog news or whatever.
In that way we're all still patients. Now pacience... that's a different
matter entirely. ;)

PS this message is not intended for the sarcasm impaired. Thank you.

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:34:00 -0500
From: Jonathan D Willey <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Late release date...
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


ERIC wrote:
>Now, I hope the band doesn't get mad at people like me.  They must
understand 
>that we are, for the most part, completely loyal and fanatical fans. 
I'm not 
>sure why the decided to release the album this late.  Maybe it was the 
>logistics of it all; I don't really know.  

I think it was about a month ago when mike posted the on "the wire" that
they had just put the finishing touches on the album. I assume that meant
they had just finished mastering the album and had just sent it off the
the label. If this was the case (and Mike P. may be able to help us out
here???) then you have to expect at the very least a month or so before
the label and manufacturers can get the printing of the booklets and the
pressing of the CD's done for however many million(??) CD's they are
producing. There can always be glitches in the system (it took me over a
month and a half to get 1000 CD's printed) and I am sure they were
allowing time for this if it happenned. Anyway, hope this helps with the
question of why the album will be released on october.

NP: Metropolis I (yeah baby!!!)

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:42:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Hansen <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: re: Pirate vs. Bootleg
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>



"Mark C. Healey" <email_address_removed> wrote: 

> What is the difference between PIRATING and
BOOTLEGGING? 
> It STILL sounds like STEALING to me!!!!!!!

Pirating - Making illegal copies of official releases
and selling them. Very bad.

Bootlegging - Making illegal(?) copies of unofficial
music (such as demos and live recordings) and selling
them. Not as bad.

Funny thing is, some bootleggers accuse other
bootleggers of pirating their bootlegs...

In general, the big rip-off comes from pirating. That
takes money right out of the artist's pocket.
Bootlegging just takes some control away from them.
I.e. many performers don't want a recording of a bad
live performance to be distributed. And who can blame
them. They would rather pick the performances and
"clean them up" a bit before anyone hears a recording.
Plus they get to make some money on official live
releases.

You can't really say that bootlegs take money away
from an artist. It's not something the artist would
release and make money from anyway. The quality isn't
there. And any consumer who likes an artist enough to
buy a bootleg will most likely buy any and all
official releases. No revenue lost.

my $.02, BH

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:46:17 EDT
From: email_address_removed
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Why I downloaded the new album...
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


><   When that little "No SFAM discussion on the Jam" came from on high, I 
felt kinda good about it, as if my surprise wouldn't be spoiled.  When it was 
lifted (which basically meant the band said it was okay to discuss the new 
album), I still haven't discussed nor
have I downloaded mp3s.  I never really understood why until yesterday. I 
stopped waiting for the album's actual release for the sake of the band a 
long time ago.  Now, I'm not
listening to mp3s or whatever b/c I choose not to.  I want to be surprised on 
Oct. 26th.   ><

If I might ring in on this discussion: I personally don't understand the 
secrecy. I can understand it if the band wants everyone to hear it as an 
album so they can experience it the way it's meant to be heard, as one whole. 
They don't want people downloading MP3s or reading the lyrics, cuz if you 
hear one song, you're not getting the entire picture. But if that theory were 
true, DT wouldn't push the single until after the album came out. I don't 
understand the whole surprise thing. I downloaded the entire album and burned 
it to CDR. I didnt tell anyone how to get it; I didnt try to sell it; etc. I 
listened it as a whole album, and it was a surprise to me cuz it was so good. 
What does it matter on what date that I heard it. You're gonna be happily 
surprised whether you hear it on October 26th, or a month before that. 
Another reason may be because they don't want what happened to FII to happen 
to SFAM. Everyone heard clips of FII before it came out, and they're 
judgement was aletered. A lot of people didn't like it and sales went down. 
That's bullshit. People didn't like it cuz it was not up to Dream Theater 
standards. I don't care when, where, or how you hear an album...if it's good, 
you'll like it. If it's bad, you won't. Say no one in the world heard 
anything from FII until the day it was released; the majority still won't 
like it. On the other hand, everyone in the world could hear SFAM months 
before its released, but its good, so people will like it. I personally don't 
think it matters if you hear an album months before it comes out; you'll like 
it just as much on October 26th as you will in September or whenever. Maybe 
they want the album to be heard as one piece; that's perfectly 
understandable. But there's no surprise factor. people arent not going to 
like it just cuz they heard an mp3 or two a few months before it came out.


Jim

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:58:46 -0500
From: Christopher Ptacek <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: The Many Topics of Yt Se Jam.
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


> Subject: Fabulous New Product

	We should compile a list of words found in these posts (like
Viagra) that are not really important words to the jam, and have em
flagged so that the posts don't get through.  We've never gotten this much
spam before... makes me wonder if a jammer or disgruntled ex jammer didn't
send the addy out to spam lists.

> From: "Heikki Kemppinen" <email_address_removed>
> Subject: John P's equipment
> 
> Does any fellow guitarist have any info on what kinds of strings and picks 
> our favorite guitarist, John Petrucci uses?

	D'Addario .009's and Dunlop Jazz III, last I checked.
 
> From: The Gatherer <email_address_removed>
> Subject: Re: musicians

	Hey bro, if you check the post to which you're responding, you'll
see that it was requested that responses be sent privately.  Keep
practicing, and get outta Kentucky!

> From: email_address_removed
> Subject: Upset about Upset People
> 
> Why didn't everyone voice how bad-bad-naughty-naughty they thought this whole 
> bootleg guy was on the jam right after he solicited? Everyone waited until 

	I beat Mike to the punch, so maybe I'm special.  But I know what
you're saying.  I think that the rash of apologies are from 2 camps: 1)
that which you acknowledge as people who want a Portnoy Cookie, and 2)
people who are truly afraid that Mike will come to hate the members of
this list and stop doing cool things for us all.  I don't know him
personally, but I have to believe he'll get over this shit.  It's hardly
the darkest or most foul thing that's occurred on this list.  It does
prove, though, that there really truly are some very ignorant people on
this list.

> Am I also the only one that thinks it is silly to censor the list of any SFaM 
> postings? Last time I checked, this was a DT mailing list. If you don't want 
> to risk hearing things about the new album... don't read Jams until the 26th. 
> Read a book. I could suggest a few.

	Umm, unless you're new, you'd know that this has been covered ad
nauseum, and that the general idea is that since Mike wishes for us not to
talk about the album publicly, and we like getting feedback directly from
him on this list, and because people don't want to hear about the new
album until they have it, that we're going to keep quiet.  You're just as
capable of starting your own list if you can't handle the "rules" (I only
agree with them to an extent... that we shouldn't discuss song structures,
things that occur in the songs, lyrics, tones etc... until everyone has
the album... but I don't think it can hurt to abide.  The dude abides.
 
> From: Anil Sahal <email_address_removed.ac.uk>
> Subject: The Ultra Zone

	I think that there are definite moments of brilliance on the new
Vai album, but I think the reason people are getting dark on him, is that
in his last 4 albums (that's counting Leftovers, since he redid so much of
that) he hasn't really stretched.  P&W is clearly a labor of love.  It
sounds like he spent a lifetime getting it to sound how he wanted it, and
getting the writing all wicked cool.  But since then, he hasn't changed...
he's almost an ego away from being Yngwie (okay... that was harsh).  It
sounds like perhaps he's a bit too complacent in his playing... which I
think is Sherinian's big fault.  When an artist or band stops growing,
they die.  Unless of course people blindly follow them just on name
recognition alone... *cough* STONES *cough*

Chris Ptacek - email_address_removed
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:20:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Trent <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: re: Pirate vs. Bootleg
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>



> You can't really say that bootlegs take money away
> from an artist. It's not something the artist would
> release and make money from anyway. The quality
> isn't
> there. And any consumer who likes an artist enough
> to
> buy a bootleg will most likely buy any and all
> official releases. No revenue lost.
> 
> my $.02, BH

I'd take that a step further and say that bootlegs
might do more to *enhance* a band's reputation.  I
downloaded a few live concerts in mp3 format off the
web a few weeks ago and was shocked.  OIALT is
phenomenal and everything, but these bootlegs were
even better (close call tho).  Bootlegs have only
enhanced DT's in-concert-reputation, as far as I'm
concerned.

On the other end of that spectrum, I also downloaded a
few full length Tori Amos albums off some dude's FTP
site.  I love what I heard, but for right now I don't
have the money to buy the CDs.  Well, I had enough to
buy just one, so I did.  So I'll continue listening to
the mp3s for now, at least until I have enough cash to
buy the actual CD.  I feel I owe Ms. Amos that much. 
IMHO, pirates should be dragged out to a street and
beaten with a wooden cane and a pillow case filled
with doorknobs.  I have nothing against mp3s to get a
feel for an album or an artist, but IMHO there's no
substitute for owning the CD and checking out the
linger notes.  Pirates suck.  Bootleggers almost suck.

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:18:53 -0500
From: "Edward Polzin" <email_address_removed>
To: <ytsejam@torchsong.com>
Subject: Re: Pirate vs. Bootleg
Message-ID: <008601bf142e$3b8227e0$49078ad1@boner>


> Pirating - Making illegal copies of official releases
> and selling them. Very bad.
>
I agree.

> Bootlegging - Making illegal(?) copies of unofficial
> music (such as demos and live recordings) and selling
> them. Not as bad.
>
Not necessarily selling them.  Not all bootleggers do.

> Funny thing is, some bootleggers accuse other
> bootleggers of pirating their bootlegs...
>
That's just dumb.  I've seen some of this and wondered how people could do
it.  Even Bahr didnt care if you make replications of his bootlegs.

> In general, the big rip-off comes from pirating. That
> takes money right out of the artist's pocket.
> Bootlegging just takes some control away from them.
> I.e. many performers don't want a recording of a bad
> live performance to be distributed. And who can blame
> them. They would rather pick the performances and
> "clean them up" a bit before anyone hears a recording.
> Plus they get to make some money on official live
> releases.
>
I agree, but, personally i dont like the "cleaned up" version.  i think the
mistakes, equipment problems, crowd noise and other performance difficulties
add to the character of the band and the performance.  not to mention, to
official product can be a big rip off to the fans.  For instance, take the
G3 live album.  3 tracks from satch/vai/johnson and the end jam.  i'd take a
bootleg of the entire show over that anyday.  of course, i still bought the
cd and video to support the artists.

> You can't really say that bootlegs take money away
> from an artist. It's not something the artist would
> release and make money from anyway. The quality isn't
> there. And any consumer who likes an artist enough to
> buy a bootleg will most likely buy any and all
> official releases. No revenue lost.
>
I agree with this as well.


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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:47:57 -0500
From: Brad Plumb <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Re: Patients!
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


At 11:53 AM 10/11/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
>At 07:59 AM 10/11/99 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>>Whatever happened to good old patients?  Half the funn is in the waiting
>>for the release! 
>>
>
>hmmm... patients? Well I guess the ytsejam could be considered an
>alleviation for your daily flame&idiocy addiction, or prog news or whatever.
>In that way we're all still patients. Now pacience... that's a different
>matter entirely. ;)
>

er... *loses all respect for himself* that should read patience ;)

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:54:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: rockrockrockrock <email_address_removed>
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: anyone who's got SFaM
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


anyone who's got SFaM and wants to talk about it,
please e-mail privately! there is MUCH to discuss ;)




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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:25:31 EDT
From: email_address_removed
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Men's Sexual Secrets
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Does anyone else wonder how these weird postings get onto the Jam??

<New, Easy to Read Book on Men's Sexual Secrets>

Also: 
<Avatar Publishing
168 second Ave
#PBM 285
New York, NY. 10003>

Perhaps someone at Avatar Studios having a laugh??


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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:25:35 EDT
From: email_address_removed
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: Helsinki Simpsons?
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


>> Finnish as well as he can write Engish????????
 Probably not .........>>

<the Troy McClure quote _was_ intentional. Besides, I'm much more hurt
about the fact that someone questions my ability to write "Engish" :) >

Don't be hurt, it was a joke also  8-)
You write "Engish" better than some of us who have it as a first language  
........
I am sure none of us could write Finnish as well (which was my point in the 
first place, for those who didn't quite get it)

At least we are trying to lighten the mood on the list at the moment - which 
is SORELY needed.

Hey you Finns have it made right now - getting a Mike Portnoy clinic AND a 
John Petrucci clinic - go Finland (mine's a double Finlandia vodka)!






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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:25:34 EDT
From: email_address_removed
To: ytsejam@torchsong.com
Subject: John P's equipment
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


<<From: "Heikki Kemppinen" <email_address_removed>

Does any fellow guitarist have any info on what kinds of strings and picks 
our favorite guitarist, John Petrucci uses? >>


D'Addario 10-46.  Low B 56 on the 7 string guitar.
Guitar picks are Dunlop Jazz 3s.

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 00:30 +0200
From: email_address_removed.SE
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Vanden Plas - Far Off Grace
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.se>


--- Inkommet fr=E5n INFODATA.SVA0193 +46 670 160 60  99-10-12 00.30


VANDEN PLAS - Far Off Grace     GERMANY
Rating: * * * *                 September 1999
                                INSIDEOUT
                                IOMCD 043
                                Time: 59:59

Musicians:
Andy Kuntz: lead vocals
Stephan Lill: guitar, vocals
Torsten Reichert: bass
G=FCnter Werno: keyboards, vocals
Andreas Lill: drums

Additional musicians:
Dennis Ward - backing vocals

Tracklist:
1. I can See (4:01)
2. Far Off Grace (7:03)
3. Into The Sun (6:32)
4. Where's The Man (6:10)
5. Inside Of Your Head (6:13)
6. Don't Miss You (3:51)
7. Iodic Rain (6:54)
8. Fields Of Hope (6:46)
9. I'm With You (6:43)
10. Kiss Of Death (5:41) (Bonus track on the European edition,
original version: Dokken)

The first time I heard about the progressive metal band Vanden
Plas was on the Dream Theater mailing list Ytsejam. I recognised
that in a short period of time Vanden Plas was discussed quite
often. With this their third release I finally got to hear them,
and now I understand why they appeared in the discussions on
Ytsejam. First of all they are very good, but more important is
that they musically have a lot in common with Dream Theater.

What's separating Vanden Plas from Dream Theater then? Well, Dream
Theater lean more against their technical skills while Vanden Plas
have, and forgive me for saying it, stronger melodies than Dream
Theater. Vanden Plas are also highly technically skilled musicians
but they never let their instrumental passages take too much space
in their songs. All in all I think that both the bands are
outstanding but in two different ways.

The production is very good too. The highlight are "Inside Of Your
Head", "Iodic Rain" and "Fields of Hope". The last track is a
cover of Dokken's "Kiss Of Death".

Vanden Plas is high above the average progressive metal bands. If
you're living in France you can buy a special edition of this
album with a 32-page photo booklet at Virgin Megastores. Go get
it! Highly recommended.

-Reviewed by Greger R=F6nnqvist-

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Vanden Plas Discography
Colour Temple (1994)
AcCult (1996) acoustic EP
The God Thing (1997)

Band contact:
Vanden Plas
Postfach 1518
66515 Neunkirchen
Germany

Vanden Plas Website: http://www.vandenplas.de/
Vanden Plas e-mail: Vanden.Plas@t-online.de.

InsideOut Website: http://www.insideout.de/
Limb Music Website: http://www.limb-music.de/

For mp3 excerpts check out the sound samples section:
http://www.vandenplas.de/soundsamples.html

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Greger R=F6nnqvist
Email: email_address_removed.se

Snail Mail: Greger Ronnqvist
            Risselasvagen 66 B
            833 35  Stromsund
            Sweden

ICQ No: 17275819

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