YTSEJAM Digest 5099 Today's Topics: 1) Re: progressive bands by Janne Jokitalo 2) Prog albums, continue by Janne Jokitalo 3) Yes - The Ladder by "Lauzon, Gary: IHAB" 4) Go Mikey! by "Mats Rydstrom" 5) Nightwish & Superior by "Jan-Michael" 6) Re: I AM SPEECHLESS! (well, almost) by "Sasha" 7) Re: DT plays MSG!!! by "Bernard, Chris" 8) Re: new LaBrie interview by "A_Change of_Seasons" 9) re: progressive bands by (Chung Ng) 10) DT at MSG by "Fran Brennan" 11) Blah Blah Blah by "Christopher W. Ptacek" 12) a list you may want to know about by The Gatherer 13) Borrowed, not stolen??? by NuGgeTMaN 14) MP Helsinki clinic again by Esa Virtanen 15) Recording CD's (NDTC) by Brian Lundy 16) missing digest? by email_address_removed 17) Portnoys post... an apology on behalf of the 'jam. by "Jeremy Kube" 18) RE: Blah Blah Blah by "Eddy Huism@n" 19) New DT available for download? (no spoilers) by email_address_removed 20) Re: [Error Condition Re: Posting rejected] by Michael Maier 21) IRC page by email_address_removed 22) Re:New DT by "Al @ Switchcraft" 23) October 1999 Stereophile by "Al @ Switchcraft" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 06:19:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Janne Jokitalo To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: progressive bands Message-ID: --- Heikki Kemppinen wrote: > I've heard praises of the following: spock's beard, > symphony x, shadow gallery, lemur voice, vanden plas and fates > warning. can anyone recommend me a good starting point from some or > all of these bands? Terve Heikki (= Hi there Heikki ;) Here comes my recommendations (although I can't give 'em of all bands): Spock's Beard - Just about anything. They're absolutely GREAT in every album they've put out. If you really want me to name a favourite, I guess it would The Light (which is the first of theirs). Others are (in chronological order) Beware of Darkness, Kindness of Strangers and Day for Night. Now keep in mind that these are only the studio albums. There are also some(?) live albums too, and a from-the-vaults album (whee, I guess it's even called that way ;) Great videos I heard,too... And don't forget there's Neal's (the man behind SB) solo album, and the supergroup album (featuring Mike P, Pete Trawavas [of Marillion], Roine Stolt[of Flower Kings] with Neal), which isn't out yet, but is guaranteed to please every prog fan in the world...(Do I go to extremes ? Well...;) Symphony X - Same beginning as in the abovementioned. All their stuff is GRRREAT !! But this time I can clearly name an absolute fave, The Divine Wings of Tragedy. Unbelievable !!! I'm not sure how many albums there are, but known for me are (also in chronological order) Self titled (Symphony X), The Damnation Game, The Divine Wings of Tragedy and Twilight In Olympus. Shadow Gallery - If you want the best (until the new one is here ;) concept prog album (well, maybe not, but...) there is, get Tyranny. It's SO awesome. It's brilliant. Magnificent. There's also Carved In Stone (also a masterpiece, as I've been told), and one other album, the name escapes from me now. That's all I know 'bout them. (BTW, there's a few lines in Tyranny sung by KJLB, short but pleasent appearance. Some guys of SG composed few songs to James' solo album, Mullmuzzler, which is, IMHO, a must have for every DT fan) Lemur Voice I know almost nothing about, just heard some sound clips from Marcel's site (the guitarist). Those were pretty good stuff, just couldn't get a clear picture of their complete style and sound. But judging from what I've heard about them, almost everything by them is well worth the money. Vanden Plas - Funny you mentioned them, just bought their The God Thing last weekend. Heard so much about them (and I DID see them open for DT in Helsinki in Falling Into Infinity tour in Helsinki, somehow I seemed to miss something there, and just recently got into them). It's a wonderful CD, I'm planning to get more from them. Very nice stuff. Too bad I can't give anymore info. Fates Warning - Hmm...now there's a band that is very recognized amongst prog fans, but doesn't seem to light me up, for some reason I can't get into them. At least yet. I bought their Still Life - double live album, which is a good live album and includes their masterpiece, A Pleasent Shade of Gray (over 50 - minute song, moody, thoughtful and beautiful...) See, I can speak up to them ;) I'm sure there are dozens of long reviews of FW, so I'll shut now... There are also some other bands that I'd like to mention here. I inserted a list below naming the band I look up to and a disc or too that I warmly recommend. Also there's some projects of which lineup isn't together as a band, but the album deserves a mention. Hope they'll cheer you up too. Enchant - Blueprint of the World, Wounded, Break Royal Hunt - Moving Target, Paradox(fantastic concept album too) Threshold - Clone, Wounded Land, Psychedelicatessen Superior - Younique Angra - Holy Land, Fireworks Explorer's Club - Age of Impact Platypus - Platypus LTE - LTE, When The Water Breaks (Surely you know what these are ?!?!?) I'm sure I left out many wonderful acts, butI believe there's a good start ;) Bye now, and happy hunting. ===== Janne Jokitalo Boss Information: jaska@boss.fi Jyväskylä University: email_address_removed.fi Homepage: http://www.jyu.fi/~jajokita __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 06:28:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Janne Jokitalo To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Prog albums, continue Message-ID: Hi there, again ! I had to add a few to my recently posted list. Dali's Dilemma - Manifesto For Futurism Queensrÿche - Operation: Mindcrime, Rage For Order, Promised Land Ice Age - Great Divide There, now I'm happy ;) Wait, just kidding... Derek Sherinian - Planet X (How could I have forgotten that one...) ===== Janne Jokitalo Boss Information: jaska@boss.fi Jyväskylä University: email_address_removed.fi Homepage: http://www.jyu.fi/~jajokita __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:45:19 -0400 From: "Lauzon, Gary: IHAB" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Yes - The Ladder Message-ID: >Subject: Yes - The Ladder >Hello jammers! > I'm a big fan of the 70's Yes, but so far I haven't heard >any of their records after Drama (a great disc IMHO). I have >heard many positive comments about "The Ladder". Is this their >best work of the 90's ? []s Fernando Rauber ICQ: 2281311 >http://fast.to/frmp I would have to say it is their best work since the Ladder, even though the first half of "Open Your Eyes" was pretty good. I only listen to the Ladder twice, but I have to say I'm pretty impress. Anyone else share that opinion? For some DTC, I really like James new solo effort, espicially Guardian Angel, Matt Gulliroy has a great future ahead of him me thinks. Mr. Prog ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:33:11 +0200 From: "Mats Rydstrom" To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" Subject: Go Mikey! Message-ID: <014d01bf0fff$55b585e0$0d01a8c0@telegate.se> Has that Mitja been kicked off yet? /Mats ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:26:45 -0500 From: "Jan-Michael" To: "Ytsejam" Subject: Nightwish & Superior Message-ID: <000b01bf1006$d120d020$2f2d88cf@jammer> Please also check out NIGHTWISH!! You won't regret it :) Their website is http://www.nightwish.com There are sound samples there. Very addicting stuff :) Also check out SUPERIOR! Jan-Michael >From: "Heikki Kemppinen" >Subject: progressive bands >I've been thinking for a while to start to listen to other >progressive bands than Dream Theater. I've heard praises of >the following: Spock's beard, symphony x, shadow gallery, >lemur voice, vanden plas and fates warning. can >anyone recommend me a good starting point from some or all >of these bands? I'd be really grateful. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:22:16 +0200 From: "Sasha" To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" Subject: Re: I AM SPEECHLESS! (well, almost) Message-ID: <002301bf1007$5d900bc0$54e81dc3@sasa> >From: email_address_removed >Subject: I AM SPEECHLESS! (well, almost) >I CANNOT BELIEVE WHAT THIS IDIOT IS POSTING HERE!!!!!----------------- o, oh... Mike is pissed off. that`s *NOT* a good sign... >From: Mitja Greschner >Subject: NEW DT >Hi! >Anyone interested in a copy(sorry,only tape.To copy it on CD doesn't >work,don't ask me why)of the new DT CD?Only Europe! yea, asshole said that his *friend* who works at the radio station made him a copy. And he asked 15 $ for a copy on a tape... i wished i lived in Germany just for 10 minutes :-)). I`d put Painkiller on and we`d have some fun... >I'm sorry I have even tried to create a "surprise" for you all.... >Next time I will know better... >or maybe I won't even allow ANY advance CD's at all.... now, this is the part where i wished that the asshole selling copies was dead... :-). But, unfortunately i`m not such a mean person, so i only wish he would become deaf by some strange accident... biaxident :-) Besides that... i wish you guys wouldn`t start talking about THE album on 26th cause it`ll take at least a week or two for some folks to get it... such as myself. I`ll probably go to Italy to buy the cd cause people living in Croatia might consider themselves lucky if they get the cd before 26th November. Not to mention Indonesians :-))). NP: Aghora - Immortal Bliss.mp3 "Lifting shadows off a dream Once broken She can turn a drop of water Into an ocean..." John Myung of Dream Theater ["Lifting Shadows Off A Dream"] email_address_removed.hr http://chronosphere.zambizzi.com ICQ UIN - 6098813 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 10:57:30 -0400 From: "Bernard, Chris" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: Re: DT plays MSG!!! Message-ID: Howdy, y'all..... Nothing like a hockey reference to bring me out of eternal lurk mode... [Adam]>Right before the player introductions for the New York Rangers for tonight's hockey game, Madison Square Garden played the first 30 seconds or so of "Metropolis Part I" over the PA!!! < Yeah, boy!!!!! i caught that too, and almost fell off the chair when i heard it! Sure, it was NYC and all, but it sure was cool to hear; ended a bit too soon, though. i had always thought that Puppies on Acid would be some cool music to hear right before the player intros at your local hockey rink. But Met 1 worked quite nicely!!! The only thing bad about it was that it was the Rangers!!! Whoops; that's a discussion for another list, huh?!? :-) NP: Queensryche - Rage For Order be good.......(and go Panthers!!!) CHRIS =+=+=+=+=+==+=++=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Calvin: "You don't think humans evolved from monkeys?" Hobbes: "I sure don't see the difference!" =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 08:15:37 PDT From: "A_Change of_Seasons" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: new LaBrie interview Message-ID: Hey Jammers... >Later this week, HREF="http://pages.prodigy.net/nightrangr/detritus.html">Detritus, a >leading online rock newsweekly, will post an exclusive interview with >James. >He talks in-depth about Mullmuzzler, and has some interesting things to say >about the new DT record and what it was like replacing a keyboardist. Has this interview been posted to this site yet??????? I tried looking it up and found NOTHING! poj ICQ 31820332 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:55:35 EDT From: (Chung Ng) To: Cc: Subject: re: progressive bands Message-ID: All of those bands are great. My favorites since joining this list have been Angra, Conception, Elegy (this band rocks), Shadow Gallery, Superior, etc... Good luck! >From: "Heikki Kemppinen" > >I've been thinking for a while to start to listen to other >progressive bands than Dream Theater. I've heard >praises of the following: spock's beard, symphony x, >shadow gallery, lemur voice, vanden plas and fates >warning. can anyone recommend me a good starting >point from some or all of these bands? I'd be really >grateful. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 08:57:54 PDT From: "Fran Brennan" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: DT at MSG Message-ID: oh yea? once I heard a big piece of King's X's "Black Flag" on the Prevue Channel! -Banjoman ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 11:43:51 -0500 From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" To: Subject: Blah Blah Blah Message-ID: <001301bf1019$f9caaf60$013ca8c0@madstation> > From: "Eddy Huism@n" > Subject: RE: Very considerate of you... > > This guy really has a point people, I think we should first run a > survey with all subscribers to see if they can all listen to the new > album. Then and only then should we start discussing it. Makes you > think eh? Hahahaha No. This is really simple. I don't know why some people are playing it into a big game of "censorship" or whatever. The majority of the jammers I speak to, who haven't already heard a promo or something (which is in itself a flawed representation of the album due to technical restraints) are getting pissed off by people typing up lyrics in places without posting spoilers, and discussing albums in terms of comparisons, which will inevitably color your first listen (If they use a progression out of a Rush song, for example, is it better to know that ahead of time, or is it better to listen and enjoy and find out for yourself?) It's not even about "my opinion" or "Your opinion" of what we should do. It's totally a band thing... they put out the request, can we honor it? If you have something to say about the album, can you simply share it with those who you KNOW have already heard it? For the sake of the people on this list who do care about this stuff! There are a lot of people on the list who have already heard the album. Most of them can hold back, and are holding back, even though it's pretty fuckin' obvious that by now we have a lot to say about the new album. If you guys want to talk about it, start up a listbot list for free or something like that. Just ICQ each other. Let those here who are waiting for a surprise (like I probably should have) continue waiting! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 13:40:32 -0400 From: The Gatherer To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: a list you may want to know about Message-ID: As you're all familiar with the god among us (mike portnoy), that's My main reason for worshipping dream theater. I'm on a drum list too, I'd welcome you guys if you wanted to join. Here's the links: Web site: http://www.onelist.com/community/drum_list to join via email: email_address_removed dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 14:47:48 -0700 From: NuGgeTMaN To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Borrowed, not stolen??? Message-ID: Just another observation here. As many of you know I manage a CD store, so I have nothing better to do during the day other than listen to CD's...what a damn cool job I have. Anyways I was listening to I Mother Earth's "Scenery and fish" and couldn't help but notice that there's a part of the song "Like a girl" that sounds exactly like part of "New Millennium" by Dream Theater. Both are goofy little musical grooves right in the middle of the song ...anyone else noticed this? (It's quite audible so I'm not going to post play times or anything). Just wondering, and BTW IME released their CD like a year before FII...hmmmm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:03:08 +0300 (EET DST) From: Esa Virtanen To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: MP Helsinki clinic again Message-ID: Hi, I'm Esa Virtanen. You might remember me from such Ytsejam articles as the review of John Petrucci's and Mike Portnoy's Helsinki clinic in March 1998 (I'll be in the MFP list in no time). Last tuesday (5th of October) Mike Portnoy held another clinic here in Helsinki. In the post-clinic signing he expressed his dislike of the fact that the 'jam is "full of bitching about The Veil and nobody writes reviews about the clinic tour". So I volunteered. I noticed that there already was a nice review, so I won't go into too much details. Anyway, being a guitarist, I wasn't even sure whether to attend or not, having a Petrucci clinic on the 29th and all (life is good), but ended up doing so. Which wasn't a bad decision, since it was a nicely entertaining event. Not much strictly technical drumming stuff, mostly playing along and answering questions (and cellphones). Oh, the mystery last song was Hell's Kitchen, so it should have sounded familiar :) Other points of interest were the songs playing on the PA before the clinic. No, not the new DT (which rocks!), but outtakes from the LTE 2 trio sessions. I didn'= t really like most of them on the CD all that much, but some of the played stuff sounded nice. The Stolt-Trewavas-Morse thing sounded good as well, = a lot like Spock's Beard IMO, but that's probably because of Morse's vocals. And I totally sucked at the "name that tune"-thing. Another cool thing was that the kit he used (a replica of his own, minus the octobans and some other stuff) was for sale for a measly 30000 Finnis= h marks, whereas the "real" price would have been 75000FIM without the cymbals. That corresponds to about $5500 and $14000. Too bad I had no spare change on myself.. Afterward, I got my LTE CDs signed and Mike commented on my (now obsolete ax.com) Ytsejam T-shirt and made the remark about not having any reviews here. So now you have two. I've also got some photographs which I could scan, if anyone's intrested.. I also made the mistake of commenting on the rockingness of the new DT (i= t rocks!), and he didn't seem all too pleased about that. Yeah, it's easy for him to blame us, since he's already heard it and all :) But even though I feel a bit dirty for not respecting the band's wishes, I really don't think I've ruined _that_ much for myself.. Now the release day won'= t seem that much like christmas, but hey. You can't just pop the CD in and be enlightened, it will take a few listens (took for me, at least). I hav= e to say, though, that on the first listens I was entirely too analytical.. The whole thing really "opened up" only when just listening to the songs, not the structures, techniques, etc. Just a note to those who have abstained themselves. Hope I didn't spoil anything :) But I digress. Of course I will also buy the CD. Just know that it rocks. Especially, as Jens mentioned, the Finnish bonus track of the heartfelt sixth-note rendition of "S=E4kkij=E4rven Polkka" played on dog food can, tuned percu= ssion and alp horn. -+- Esa Virtanen tel. +358-50-3014499 http://www.hut.fi/~evirtane - ICQ #5162681 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 15:06:20 -0400 From: Brian Lundy To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Recording CD's (NDTC) Message-ID: Hi all, I just picked up a CD-RW drive. I was wondering if anyone knows of any other software out there (besides what it came with), that would be the best for making my own copies of cds. That is, taking one track from this cd, this track from that one, etc. Are there any programs that offer better sound quality than others? Or offer more control as far as level and eq goes? Also, the CD-RW allows you to convert a cd track to .wav file first, if you want to. Why would I? Is there a sound quality difference between converting to wav first, then recording it to cd, as opposed to just transfering the track to the CD-RW? Anyone? (AL?) Thanks, Styles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:42:45 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: missing digest? Message-ID: Call me crazy (YOU'RE CRAZY!), but doesn't 5097 come before 5098? btw-I checked the archives, and it's not there either. Just wondering if I lost some brain cells, *scarred* [They Closed Wolf's Deli? - JP] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:58:29 -0500 From: "Jeremy Kube" To: "ytsejam Mailing List" Subject: Portnoys post... an apology on behalf of the 'jam. Message-ID: <000a01bf1035$29ca5420$281ee2d8@jeremyku> Hey guys... I just read Mike's post on the last jam (#5098) and I was shocked that someone would actually post that to the jam. If Skadz is watching (big brother) could you make sure that the jerk who posted that is unsubbed? To Mr. Portnoy and members of Dream Theater, I on behalf of those who have respected your wishes apologize to you (and your record label) for the disrespect that a fellow jammer has given you. We wish for all of you to know that there are MANY jammers who have respected and followed your wishes/demands and appreciate the veil of secrecy that you have bestowed upon us. Furthermore, I hope that there are no hard feelings. I think I can speak for many when I say that. Sincerely, Jeremy Kube and many members of the Ytsejam. Jeremy Kube Oklahoma State University Fire Protection and Safety Engineering Technology Major email_address_removed email_address_removed "Sex is Death, Death is Sex. It says it right here on my crucifix!" Dream Theater. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:12:56 +0200 From: "Eddy Huism@n" To: Subject: RE: Blah Blah Blah Message-ID: Well, at least it made me think. I guess 95% of us here on the list are either from the US or Europe and we are talking to eachother saying we don't want to spoil anything before October 26th. The mail of the guy from Indonesia made me think we are pretty selfish here because we are not even thinking about the people that will hear the CD later than that just because of their location Remember that as of October 26 their surprise will be totally gone and I don't think anyone really ever considered that ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤øø Eddy Huism@n ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤øø http://www.JEM7BSB.com > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: ytsejam@torchsong.com [mailto:ytsejam@torchsong.com]Namens > Christopher W. Ptacek > Verzonden: woensdag 6 oktober 1999 18:46 > Aan: Multiple recipients of list > Onderwerp: Blah Blah Blah > > > > > From: "Eddy Huism@n" > > Subject: RE: Very considerate of you... > > > > This guy really has a point people, I think we should first run a > > survey with all subscribers to see if they can all listen > to the new > > album. Then and only then should we start discussing it. Makes you > > think eh? > Hahahaha No. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:05:32 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: New DT available for download? (no spoilers) Message-ID: I don't understand...maybe I missed something. But, I recently found that you can not only find out the names of all the tracks, but you can actually download them. What the hell is up with that? [eriC] p.s. Anyone in private e-mail want to explain to me the "surprise" Portnoy was talking about? ------------------------------ Date: 6 Oct 99 18:30:05 PDT From: Michael Maier To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: [Error Condition Re: Posting rejected] Message-ID: Please take me off the mailing list. I've sent you blank emails. If tha= t's not how you it, please enlighten me. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 02:21:14 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: IRC page Message-ID: <19991007061804.OVLG25013.mailhost.det.ameritech.net@metropolis> Hi everyone, I want to thank everyone who has sent in a request to be added to the new IRC page so far. The page can't exist without that. I would like to make note though that the page is for #ytsejam IRC channel REGULARS ONLY. I can't add someone who never gets on IRC, just because they want to be on the page. If you would like to start chatting on the IRC channel, cool, come on over! Instructions on how to join the chat are on the "welcome" page of the IRC site. Again, thank you to everyone who has sent their pictures and bios to be added to the page. I hope to get more! :) Sincerely, Irene email_address_removed http://www.ameritech.net/users/dt_irc/welcome.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 01:55:31 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" To: retaehT maerD Subject: Re:New DT Message-ID: Mitja Greschner (AKA Lowlifecockgobbler) wrote: >Anyone interested in a copy(sorry,only tape.To copy it on CD doesn't >work,don't ask me why)of the new DT CD?Only Europe! Mike Portnoy wrote: >---------------HELLO?!?!???!!! >I cannot believe the absolute and utter disrespect shown by some of you >"fans" during this waiting period..... >To BLATENTLY bootleg an "official" release (especially under these conditions >that we are *trying* to maintain) is just absolutely unbelievable! I think everyone on the Jam should send Mitja a large file attachment. Let's keep his mail plugged up until well after the release of the new album. To mail this maggot: Mitja Greschner mailto:wakeup@cityweb.de Now where's my copy of Redneck Rampage? -- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When you live in the land of 10,000 lakes, it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 02:10:07 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" To: retaehT maerD Subject: October 1999 Stereophile Message-ID: Greetings fellow Jamsters For those of you interested in hi-end audio gear... The October 1999 issue of Stereophile has a list of 700 recommended components ranging from extreme hi-end to lower mid-fi. This could be quite valuable for those of you thinking about picking up some new gear. They also have some detailed information on the next generation of Digital media (HDCD) that will no doubt replace the CD as we know it. You will more than likely have to go to a book/magazine store to find a copy. The magazine cover price is about $7.00 USD for over 240 pages of audio bliss. Even if you don't think you'd be in the market for any of this stuff, It's well worth reading just to see what makes us audiophiles tic. -- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When you live in the land of 10,000 lakes, it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water. ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5099 **************************