YTSEJAM Digest 5072 Today's Topics: 1) rebuttal by Nik Shah 2) $10 off CDNow by Krysten DeBroka 3) Q2K positive by email_address_removed 4) jordan on met 1 by "Robert A. Jurado, MPH" 5) CDNow coupon by email_address_removed 6) Re: Question for veteran 'jammers... by Damon Fibraio 7) Re: Not the new album title by Damon Fibraio 8) the secrecy by Damon Fibraio 9) Re: local retailers by "HJ Rivera" 10) Re: Here's a new one for ya by Brad Plumb 11) New DT on CDNOW by email_address_removed (alexis1) 12) help? by "Sasha" 13) by "Johan Boomkamp" 14) cdnow by Dave Hatlee 15) Lyrics War !! by "Yan E." 16) another test by Ryan P Skadberg 17) The Holy Wars Have Begun..... by "Bill Blanchard" 18) Re: cdnow by Carlos Andres Alfaro 19) clinic MP by "JOSKOE" 20) getting myself kicked off by Ryan P Skadberg 21) more attempts by Ryan P Skadberg 22) CD Now anomalies.... by "Miguel Farah F." 23) Re: CD Now anomalies.... by Carlos Andres Alfaro 24) Apology - Symphony X mailing list by email_address_removed 25) Q2K. by Kurt M Hampton 26) Hello + request by "Runggaldier" 27) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5069 by "todzilla" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:53:05 -0600 From: Nik Shah To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: rebuttal Message-ID: <001401bf013d$e2a59b00$7a26ad80@oemcomputer> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_gA4QwXxxxMmXlo1BzaKcJA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Tell Jon that this is a mailing list, hence there will be discussion. = And if he doesn't want to know what i've written, to have his mommy skip = that part when she reads it to him. nik --Boundary_(ID_gA4QwXxxxMmXlo1BzaKcJA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Tell Jon that this is a mailing list, = hence there=20 will be discussion. And if he doesn't want to know what i've written, to = have=20 his mommy skip that part when she reads it to him.

nik

--Boundary_(ID_gA4QwXxxxMmXlo1BzaKcJA)-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:07:03 -0500 (EST) From: Krysten DeBroka To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: $10 off CDNow Message-ID: This was sent to the jam back in July. Thought I would send it again since we have all this pre-ordering going on and this $10 discount is still valid. ---Krysten ----------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 00:53:32 -0700 (PDT) ]From: Trevor W. Hoit Subject: $10 off CDNow http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/redirect/from=kbd:a:all:music:w10c/leaf =from=sr-4188108 Minimum purchase $14.99. Offer valid 7/12/99 through 9/30/99. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:09:18 -0600 From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Q2K positive Message-ID: Q2k. its growing rapidly on me. Whether its where I am in my life that I can relate or that I am just getting into the music more with each listen probably both. (definitely give it a LISTEN, it has some good depth that can be picked up through a good listen). Tate is very emotional IMO on this one for the most part, like on How Could I? and Right side of my mind. His vocals bring me back to Empire and Mindcrime days. This one is much better than Hitnf. I give it an overall positive review. Eric in Denver ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 01:31:32 +0700 From: "Robert A. Jurado, MPH" To: ytsejam Subject: jordan on met 1 Message-ID: Is there a recording of Jordan playing Metropolis, pt. I? Perhaps, the Foundations Forum Gig? I suppose I should check Lines In the Sand... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:19:34 -0700 From: email_address_removed To: fates@listservant.com, ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: CDNow coupon Message-ID: > http://p01.com/r.d?MkGqGtIMZXs=cdnow/from=rel:x:cdn:bk11906v2 > > The above URL will link you to current CD Now coupon for $15 off any $29.99+ > purchase. Expires 9/22/99 Plus, I do have a forum on the bulletin board to track on-line coupons, so check it out and add any that you may find... http://www.ivorygate.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/Ultimate.cgi -- ~Michael Kizer < email_address_removed > < ICQ # 2070538 > "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." ~ http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<< >>> Underground Internet Radio at: http://www.ytseradio.com <<< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:59:52 -0700 From: Damon Fibraio To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Question for veteran 'jammers... Message-ID: You know, I remember that guy. he was an ass. At 12:47 AM 9/17/99 , you wrote: >..and I mean VETERAN 'jammers. Anyone remember some guy that went by >the name of Mindcrimer, or something like that? He would always rip DT >to shreds while extolling the virtues of Queensr=FFche. Anyway, I'd love >to hear what he thinks of Q2K. > >Never mind, >Mark Peters >email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:00:57 -0700 From: Damon Fibraio To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Not the new album title Message-ID: You don't necessarily need to know the album title, just see if there is anything listed that you have never heard of before. Obviously, if it isn't i&w, wdadu, awake, acos, ffi, or oialt, then you got it. At 01:27 AM 9/17/99 , you wrote: > > Besides, i think we're gonna have to need to know the name of the disc on > > October 26th anyway....you KNOW it's gonna be backordered at CDNow, and > > you > > KNOW already that record store clerks have no idea what "Dream Theater" > > (it > > might help if you told them "Theatre" unfortunately), we'll probably need > > the album's name to find it in the record stores..... >Plus CDNow has pre-orders like 3-4 weeks before it is actually >released. So you should be able to find out the title in a couple weeks. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:10:10 -0700 From: Damon Fibraio To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: the secrecy Message-ID: OK, I have not been following everything, but in reading what I have been following, I have to ask. What is wrong with everybody here? I have been on the jam since the end of 1995, and this has to be the most ridiculous pre album crap I have ever read. The band wants everything kept a secret, so fine. I will respect that. If I choose to spoil the album for myself by hunting down info, that is my choice. But don't you think you guys are going a little overboard? How is an album title and song listing going to ruin it. Are you expecting met II to be there? Will the album title really ruin it? I don't know, this always seems to be a "let's see if we can make the Jam stoop lower and lower each year." If the band wants things kept secret, then shut up about it. And don't give out info under the guise of "don't go here if you don't want to see." This is retarded, folks. I know the anticipation is high. I know we are all starved for new discussions. Hell, I would rather read the dismal q2k reports than this crap. It is one thing to stifle the list, but if the band really wants it not discussed or given away, then don't post a review, don't post a track list, don't do anything. Unsubscribe if you have to. What the hell am I saying? I don't know. I have mixed thoughts about all of this, but I just want to idiocy to end. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:21:15 -0400 From: "HJ Rivera" To: Subject: Re: local retailers Message-ID: <004301bf0139$6df687a0$message_id_removed> Korg wrote: >Not the people who actually support local commerce. I trust the guy at the >local CD shoppe with order in about 6 copies and save one specifically for >me. :) > >I don't have to know one damn thing about the new album until I unwrap it >and pop it in the CD player. And I eagerly await the moment that my fancy >will be most thoroughly tickled. > >So quit trying to justify your reasons to post info here. :) >-- >KorgX3 Like Chris said: >Knowing the title or song listing doesn't bother me. >That's something I'm going to know before HEARING the >album anyway. It's the first thing I'll see when I >pick up the disc. Anyway, I do support the local retailers, but in a city like DC they really don't care if they satisfy me or not. They won't have the new DT in the store, unless I tell them at least a week before that I want it. And guess what? They're going to say... "hmm we have "[title snipped]" on schedule for next week. Is that the one?" It's just simple logic. But again, I respect the band's wishes and those of the jammers who don't want to know a thing. joe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:33:05 -0500 From: Brad Plumb To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Here's a new one for ya Message-ID: >I was thinking he either was thinking of Rush, or ya know how rumours >and misinformation spreads, and maybe this guy had heard of DT, and >someone instad of saying that they "sound" like rush, that theyre 3 guys >(like rush) >I hear all kinds of misinformation when it comes to DT ( from ppl who ve >heard of them but not actually heard them) Actually, no! The scary thing is he actually OWNED I&W, AWake, and FII. He'd just never looked through the liners and such. He'd noticed that they "had an asian bass player" and that was bout it :P I dunno, I guess he thought maybe one of the guitarists sang as well. It doesn't matter in the long run :) Palpatine Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai "Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "He said I was crazy, and it's not true! Although I did try to burn his house down once..." - Werner Herzog regarding Klaus Kinski ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:16:05 -0000 From: email_address_removed (alexis1) To: Subject: New DT on CDNOW Message-ID: <007701bf011f$90caffa0$0101a8c0@pavilion> Hello people! I found out today that the new DT is already available for pre-order on CDNOW. But don't go there if you don't want to find out the name of the CD... Alexis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:00:01 +0200 From: "Sasha" To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" Subject: help? Message-ID: <000701bf0147$3e1c2180$28e81dc3@sasa> i was at my friend`s house today and we were listening to music for a bit and then he turned on the radio instead... i don`t listen to radio much although sometimes you can hear some great stuff surprisingly, like today. So, they played some Guns `N Roses... and then I hear Judas Priest`s "Touch Of Evil" and then... comes the trouble. They play this great instrumental, and as we were listening to it, i realised how much it rocks so i grabbed a lousy worn-out tape and put it in his even-lousier tape recorded and i record the song... around 2.30 minutes of it. But.... i sure as hell don`t know what i was listening to, and i still don`t. So, i made an mp3 of it, and i uploaded it onto my site... so if anyone could download it (around 1.5 megs) and tell me what the hell it is... i`d be very grateful. Some great keyboard work and guitar... man, it`s absolutely amazing. The quality is pretty good considering what i used to record it :-). So, you all can download it and hear some great keyboard and guitar shredding... and when you`re at it, you might as well tell me what the hell is it so i can go downtown tomorrow morning and buy the damn cd. :-) thanx oh yea, the URL is: http://chronosphere.zambizzi.com/Instrumental.zip please help... "Lifting shadows off a dream Once broken She can turn a drop of water Into an ocean..." John Myung of Dream Theater ["Lifting Shadows Off A Dream"] email_address_removed.hr http://chronosphere.zambizzi.com ICQ UIN - 6098813 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:54:16 +0200 From: "Johan Boomkamp" To: Message-ID: <000001bf0148$95f50880$8b00643e@castel149032> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF014E.CE4B9540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF014E.CE4B9540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BF014E.CE4B9540-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:41:29 -0400 From: Dave Hatlee To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: cdnow Message-ID: >This is something VERY interesting - I just went to pre-order the new DT >on CDnow, and it had listed the price as $12.49. When I re-entered my >credit card info and address info, it jacked the price up to $14.99! > > >What's the deal with this? It's just a glitch at cdnow, don't worry, your order will complete at the $12.49 price. I called cdnow and spoke to a rep who verified this, he also said if any of you don't recieve the discount, that you can just simply contact them and they'll fix it. But I went ahead and placed an order myself (yes, I have a promo copy but still support the band) and it worked like he said. Somewhere in the process it said $14.99, but when I completed the order it totaled out with the $12.49 sale price. And yes, they do display the album name, but not the tracks. DaveH http://www.mikeportnoy.com ( pssst...you can directly link to the DT cdnow advance order from there ;-) ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:30:48 -0400 From: "Yan E." To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Lyrics War !! Message-ID: >From: Barbara B >Hey, now that's a very funky idea. Besides "it's better to save the >mystery, than surrender to the secret....." But, hey.... "I can't hold on any longer...this feelings keep growing stronger....echoes that deafen the mind, will bury my voice in their wake.." * Yan just had to say that... np: Nuttin' Still waiting for my mullmuzzler...!! =( _________________________________________ - . Yan Elmar Gonzalez . - _________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:06:13 -0400 From: Ryan P Skadberg To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: another test Message-ID: here is another test -- Ryan Skadberg | "there's a space beside us Ytsejam Moderator | and there's miles between us email_address_removed | and all around us http://www.dreamt.org/ | grows this shade of gray" | _A Pleasant Shade of Gray_ - Fates Warning ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:07:26 PDT From: "Bill Blanchard" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: The Holy Wars Have Begun..... Message-ID: Well I guess I'm one of the new victims of the ytse-inquisition since Skadz declared his new policy on the new album. I was involved in a discussion about the new album with some fellow jammers in the IRC channel, when a fellow jammer told me that he had some mp3s of the new album. I had already been told one of the track names which I originally didn't want to hear, but once I did my curiousity was peaked and I couldn't hold out any longer. I asked for the mp3 just after someone posted the entire tracklisting which I DIDN'T want to see nor did I ask for. Skadz picked that moment to sit down at the keyboard, say we didn't respect the band's wishes (which I guess we didn't) and promptly banned me from the server. Although I do admit I was wrong in asking for the mp3s, I did not reveal any information and there for am not responsible for any breach in the "veil of secrecy" and would ask to be reinstated on the IRC server, but I guess that's for Skadz to decide. Just thought you all might enjoy, sympathize, or "told you so" about this story. Later all. "Wild" Bill "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people to peacefully assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." -United States Constitution, Amendment I ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:14:47 -0300 From: Carlos Andres Alfaro To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: cdnow Message-ID: Dave Hatlee wrote: > It's just a glitch at cdnow, don't worry, your order will complete at the > $12.49 price. > > I called cdnow and spoke to a rep who verified this, he also said if any of > you don't Its funny tho, because now, even on the DT artist page, the new disc is labeled at 14.99 not 12, and thats on the page..not with any order thingamajig.. -- You learned well, through your hell Your Pain was nothing, you longed for more Your shameful heaven is full of devils Just like me, Just for You Carlos Alfaro , Internet Solutions Inc mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 23:33:23 +0200 From: "JOSKOE" To: Subject: clinic MP Message-ID: <000d01bf0154$4606e1c0$cd77ebc2@x2i6z0> hello everybody are there people on this list who are going to be visiting the MP clinic in hellendoorn (29sept)??? i am hehehheheheheh;-))) greetings from holland I'LL BE BACH (Johan Sebastian Schwarzenegger) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:39:57 -0400 From: Ryan P Skadberg To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: getting myself kicked off Message-ID: --------------9DA320E1FDB39833EEA17808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit or something Skadz -- Ryan Skadberg | "there's a space beside us Ytsejam Moderator | and there's miles between us email_address_removed | and all around us http://www.dreamt.org/ | grows this shade of gray" | _A Pleasant Shade of Gray_ - Fates Warning --------------9DA320E1FDB39833EEA17808 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit or something

Skadz

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Ryan Skadberg          | "there's a space beside us
Ytsejam Moderator      |     and there's miles between us
email_address_removed       |  and all around us
http://www.dreamt.org/ |     grows this shade of gray"
                       | _A Pleasant Shade of Gray_ - Fates Warning

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Skadz

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Ryan Skadberg          | "there's a space beside us
Ytsejam Moderator      |     and there's miles between us
email_address_removed       |  and all around us
http://www.dreamt.org/ |     grows this shade of gray"
                       | _A Pleasant Shade of Gray_ - Fates Warning

--------------BC7A3B9F4A2BB9DEB999A5A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:37:47 -0400 (CLT) From: "Miguel Farah F." To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: CD Now anomalies.... Message-ID: Hi. I ordered two hours ago the new DT album, called XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (spoiler protection). CD Now puts it as a preorder, expected release date 26/oct. Nothing weird there. The price was set as 12.99 (minus 0,50 [sale discount]). But when I put it on my cart, it went up to 14.99. when I completed the order, however, the price was set again at 12.99. Since I bought two, and used a $10 off coupon, my total is $22.79. My order appears in my order history, BUT I haven't received yet the usual e-mail confirmation of my order. Anyone else noticed this? -- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@webhost.cl #include // http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel <*> "Trust me - I know what I'm doing." - Sledge Hammer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:00:37 -0400 From: Carlos Andres Alfaro To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: CD Now anomalies.... Message-ID: "Miguel Farah F." wrote: > > My order appears in my order history, BUT I haven't received yet the > usual e-mail confirmation of my order. Anyone else noticed this Ok dont worry about this, ive noticed that in the last months, cd now has been slower and slower to send confirmation. Even more, the last order i made ( Katatonia's discouraged ones and Hooverphonic for those of you who care) i didnt even get an order confirmation, and received the discs about a week and a half later.. > ? > > -- > MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@webhost.cl > #include // http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel > <*> > "Trust me - I know what I'm doing." > - Sledge Hammer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:44:17 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Apology - Symphony X mailing list Message-ID: This is in regard to the FTP site I posted with the new DT MP3s. Apparently, and this was unknown to me, that FTP is only for members of the Symphony X mailing list. Again, I did not know this. I am not even on the Sym X mailing list. A friend of a friend gave me the URL. I went to the site and never had to enter any password, so this led me to believe it was for public use. If I'd known that the FTP site was exclusively for members of the Symphony X list, then I never would've posted it. Like I say, I'm not even subscribed to that list, so I had no way of knowing. So I apologize to all of those on SX list. I know it's not a big deal here, but apparently it is on the SX list. SO if anyone on the Jam is also on the SX list, please forward this. Thank you Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 01:46:54 -0500 From: Kurt M Hampton To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Q2K. Message-ID: I must be the ONLY person on the list who actually likes the album. To me, its up there with MC and PL. I am in the fanclub, and the album seems to be a fresh start for them. With Chris' departure, there is a new definite sound, and a new feel to the band. I think the album is a good step in the right direction. Its not meant to be a PL or Empire, its a new album. Does Risk from Megadeth sound like Rust in Peace. Same as Megadeth, QR is a new band, same as DT. The new Cd will not be any of the other albums. The build up for Q2k for me led up to the Friday b4 the release date because my store puts the new stuff out the day they get it. (SHHHH!!!) I got Risk and Sevendust Home early as well. Its amazes me that the die hrad QR fans love the album, and everyone here who picks apart the music hates it. Its not a technical album, its all about the groove, like King's X. Take "Right Side of Mind" for example. A classic Qr ender for an album, leaves you with questions, wondering about the lyrics. (Someone Else, Anybody Listening) QR lost their more profficient guitarist in Degarmo, Wilton is an agressor, and loves to jam. Give the CD about 5 listens, you will be hooked in. "Somedays it feels like I'm falling down" For those questiong the lyrics of burning man, check out www.burningman.com for info the event, and what the song is about. Don't talk bad about something you don't know anything about. The Prophecy has spoken, Kurt NP-Sevendust "Home" "and though it leads to nowhere, you part debris and keep on going"-Doubledrive New Dream Theater ????????????????????????? out Oct 26th "Sevendust isn't music, Its a full contact sport"-John Connolly ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 03:35:16 +0200 From: "Runggaldier" To: Subject: Hello + request Message-ID: Hi people, I'm new in this list and I know i will not gain much liking for this, but could anyone send me PRIVATELY the tracklist and/or any other infos about the new album. I understand the guys in here that don't wanna get any spoilers, but I just can't resist. Bye Klaus aka BEORN http://come.to/eggheads ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:05:40 +0100 From: "todzilla" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5069 Message-ID: <001001bf01db$77014220$1b04fc3e@yyz> Wow European Tour Dates!!!!! great ....Germany!, Netherlands!, Belgium!, Switzerland!, Italy! France! back in the US for 2000 - hey now hang on a minute... WHERE'S THE UK? The release says 'selected cites'......doing Christmas shopping for European Meat Products are we ? not good enough for you are we? OK so we'll see you in about 2001 - yeah I'm really excited about the new album now - I really give a big hairy shite that anyones bothered about the 26th October - why should we care you just say what you want. We might as well get the Andy Williams tribute bands booked righ now! - well I think it's bollocks! First rogered by the Rush brothers collective in 1998 - and now this... what's going on are we now the official "Tossers of Europe" or something? Hmmmm.....Now what was that about Ritchie Blackmore guesting on Metrolopis II...(sic)..using Rory Gallaghers last surviving plectrum.... Come on we're only asking 2 or 3 dates guys!! - or even just one tiny little ....30 minute set... (sorry about the ranting guys, I wrote this within a few seconds of seeing the latest tour dates and I have calmed down now - I suppose they'll come around eventually, of course I will dutifully buy the CD when it comes out - and I won't mention ANYTHING about the new album - or anything like that. I promise to be a nice boy from now on..... please don't ex-communicate me) NP - Metallica - The Shortest Staw ...heh.. heh... heh... Todzilla - UK JAMMING DINOSAUR ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5072 **************************