YTSEJAM Digest 5071 Today's Topics: 1) new DT on FTP site by email_address_removed 2) Q2K - a positive review by email_address_removed 3) Question for veteran 'jammers... by Mark Peters 4) Not the new album title by "Trevor W. Hoit" 5) Re: Tour Dates by "Art Ellis" 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5069 by "Art Ellis" 7) Re: Question for veteran 'jammers... by "Toby Guidry" 8) Back to School with Mail.com! by "Mail.com News" 9) Great idea! by Barbara B 10) New DT on CDNow by David Dixon 11) Re: Q2K by "HJ Rivera" 12) Here's a new one for ya by Oddvar Lovaas 13) Prog POWER tour by "Jan-Michael" 14) Queensryche tour info by "Jan-Michael" 15) Re: Here's a new one for ya by Carlos Andres Alfaro 16) Re: Q2K by "Korg Ecksthrey" 17) I'm disappointed by "Nicole R. Stachowicz" 18) Re: Question for veteran 'jammers... by Michael Kizer 19) Re: Queensryche tour info by "Toby Guidry" 20) Q2K.....wish I hadn't bought that one! by "Chris Anderson" 21) Possible web spoiler... by "Pat Sullivan" 22) WTF? CDnow just did something interesting! (No Spoilers) by Andrew Coutermarsh 23) AAAAAAAAARRRGGHH! by mams.gajic@t-online.de (Alex Gajic) 24) Re: WTF? CDnow just did something interesting! (No Spoilers) by "Toby Guidry" 25) Innocence Faded Tab? by "Sasha" 26) what ruins an album by Brian Hansen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 01:35:09 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: new DT on FTP site Message-ID: I know of two new DT MP3s on an FTP site (it's not my site). It's a huge prog metal MP3 FTP, and there are two MP3s from the new album. The FTP is ftp://teof:or1on@209.211.132.144/mp3/ This is not a spoiler. I can't be banned for this. If you wish to go to this FTP and ruin the surprise for yourself, then by all means, go head. I can understamd it. I'm not gonna do it myself, but I thought that a lot of people might be interested in it. And maybe it will satisfy the people who keep bitching about the "veil of secrecy." Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:20:17 EDT From: email_address_removed To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Q2K - a positive review Message-ID: Well, Ive got the new Queensryche too. It is listenable, Im thinking their next album after this one will be something worth talking about. You can actually listen to Q2K in its entirity and not want to skip any tracks out of lament for the band they used to be. I mean, after listening to Promised Land (IMO their best work), this dosent even come close. Some of the tunes (Right Side of My Mind, Liquid Sky) almost have that Queensryche sound that most of us yearn for the return of. I know they cant release another empire, or an 80's metal styled concept album, but I thought they were headed into the right direction with Promised Land...thought provoking lyrics and powerful instrumentation. But they threw everything away and came out with HITNF, which sucked royally. I guess its going to take some time for them to master whatever new sound they're trying to come up with. Well, just my thoughts.... -Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:38:04 -0500 From: Mark Peters To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Question for veteran 'jammers... Message-ID: ..and I mean VETERAN 'jammers. Anyone remember some guy that went by the name of Mindcrimer, or something like that? He would always rip DT to shreds while extolling the virtues of Queensr=FFche. Anyway, I'd love to hear what he thinks of Q2K. Never mind, Mark Peters email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 01:12:22 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: Not the new album title Message-ID: > Besides, i think we're gonna have to need to know the name of the disc on > October 26th anyway....you KNOW it's gonna be backordered at CDNow, and > you > KNOW already that record store clerks have no idea what "Dream Theater" > (it > might help if you told them "Theatre" unfortunately), we'll probably need > the album's name to find it in the record stores..... Plus CDNow has pre-orders like 3-4 weeks before it is actually released. So you should be able to find out the title in a couple weeks. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 06:13:32 -0400 From: "Art Ellis" To: , Subject: Re: Tour Dates Message-ID: <000b01bf00f5$4f23d880$da21f7a5@com> I'd guess that if the short Pre-New Year tour starts in December, the dates will be primarily East Coast stuff, NJ, NY, PA, CT, Maybe MA and/or RI. It depends on how long they want to be off before the holidays. I'd bet that if they want 2 weeks before Christmas off, the dates will be similar to that. When DT does short legs of a tour in the US, it's usually in the east coast. ~~Art Webmaster http://www.joestump.com http://www.mp3.com/artellis "Likely or not, it's a dream that we keep and at odds with our senses we'll climb But if faith is the answer, we've already reached it And if spirit's a sign then it's only a matter of time" -Kevin Moore, Dream Theater 1989 <<>> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 06:16:58 -0400 From: "Art Ellis" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5069 Message-ID: <001101bf00f5$c6dca640$da21f7a5@com> <<< Please take me off the list. Thanks >>> It's amazing. The list has been on the new server what, like 2 weeks? And idiots are already forgetting how to unsub. You'd think they'd have a vague recollection of how they subscribed in the first place, and that unsubbing would be similar! :-) ~~Art Webmaster http://www.joestump.com http://www.mp3.com/artellis "Likely or not, it's a dream that we keep and at odds with our senses we'll climb But if faith is the answer, we've already reached it And if spirit's a sign then it's only a matter of time" -Kevin Moore, Dream Theater 1989 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 05:18:46 -0500 From: "Toby Guidry" To: Subject: Re: Question for veteran 'jammers... Message-ID: <002e01bf00f6$07cb9300$message_id_removed> ----- Original Message ----- ]From: Mark Peters To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 2:47 AM Subject: Question for veteran 'jammers... > > ..and I mean VETERAN 'jammers. Anyone remember some guy that went by > the name of Mindcrimer, or something like that? He would always rip DT > to shreds while extolling the virtues of Queensr=FFche. Anyway, I'd love > to hear what he thinks of Q2K. heh...I'm not exactly a VETERAN 'jammer, but I do know the very Mindcrimer you're referring to. Check out Mike Wilton's site (http://www.firesky.com/wilton). Rich (Mindcrimer) is the webmaster and he might have stuck a review up there. L8r, Toby http://www.cajunnet.com/~tobyg "You can't be a Real Country unless you have a BEER and an airline - it helps if you have some kind of a football team or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a BEER." - Frank Zappa ------------------------------ Date: 17 Sep 1999 04:05:43 -0600 From: "Mail.com News" To: Subject: Back to School with Mail.com! Message-ID: Hi Kevin, You are receiving this newsletter because you have signed up for a free e-mail address that's powered by Mail.com. 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Sincerely, The Mail.com Team ----------------------------------------------------------- HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE If you do not wish to receive further news updates from Mail.com News, simply FORWARD this entire message to email_address_removed and put REMOVE in the subject line. This e-mail is sent only to individuals who have registered for an e-mail address that is powered by Mail.com. If you have any QUESTIONS or COMMENTS, you can contact Mail.com directly at email_address_removed. Mail.com News distributed on behalf of Mail.com by Opt-InEmail.com *#* email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:55:50 -0400 From: Barbara B To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Great idea! Message-ID: > >I suggest that everyone who TRUELY wants to be surprised on Oct. 26th to unsubscribe until that date, like I will be doing in about 3 minutes. Hey, now that's a very funky idea. Besides "it's better to save the mystery, than surrender to the secret....." See everyone on October 26! Babs PS If you hadn't all guessed, I'm notorious for shaking and peeking at Xmas & birthday presents. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 06:15:54 -0700 From: David Dixon To: "'ytsejam@torchsong.com'" Subject: New DT on CDNow Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649016AE9FA@messaging> The new DT is now available for pre-ordering on CDNow (get it NOW before it goes on backorder). For those spoil-weary ones among us, THERE IS NO TRACKLISTING. The title is there, however, SO CONSIDER YOURSELF WARNED... :) David Dixon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:27:30 -0400 From: "HJ Rivera" To: Subject: Re: Q2K Message-ID: <000a01bf0110$643a2560$message_id_removed> Toby wrote: >P.S. I'm hoping that the sarcasm I detected was actually there, and I >didn't really ruin your listening experience. Of course it was sarcasm - while I respect DT's "veil of secrecy" I don't understand how knowing the title or tracklisting would affect my judgement of the record. After all, as someone else pointed out, we'll need to know the title before we can go get it at the shops - plus, once we have it in our hands we'll see the track listing before getting home/work and listening to it. Now, I won't want to hear about the concept (if any), or really care about reading lyrics or hearing samples before listening to the full thing. Ahh... I'm just repeating what has been said before, so I'll shut up. joe NP: PC69 - "Shame" (Hard rock as it should be) "Winners never quit. Quiters never quit. But if you never win and never quit, you're just an idiot." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:30:34 +0200 From: Oddvar Lovaas To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Here's a new one for ya Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990917163034.006f8f18@online.no> >"Hey, so there's only three guys in the band right?" >I finally meet another person who likes DT, and he'd never noticed >they had a keyboardist ;) And the second missing member is? < flail - Oddvar Lovaas - http://home.sol.no/~flail - ICQ: 3253879 > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:41:08 -0500 From: "Jan-Michael" To: "Ytsejam" , "Symphony-x" Subject: Prog POWER tour Message-ID: <000f01bf011a$adfd4f60$b82d88cf@jammer> PROGPOWER 1999 11/14/99 - Tilburg, The Netherlands Threshold, Pain Of Salvation, Sanvoisen, Superior, Lemur Voice, Symmetry, Harrow, Paynes, Gray, Wolverine Two of my personal faves... Superior, and Lemur Voice. Dammit, I'm hitching a flight to the Netherlands! :P JM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:42:09 -0500 From: "Jan-Michael" To: "Ytsejam" , "Symphony-x" Subject: Queensryche tour info Message-ID: <001001bf011a$d1e6bb00$b82d88cf@jammer> QUEENSRYCHE 10/29 - Las Vegas, NV 10/30 - Las Vegas, NV 11/01 - Seattle, WA 11/03 - Spokane, WA 11/04 - Portland, OR 11/06 - San Jose, CA 11/07 - Los Angeles, CA 11/09 - San Diego, CA 11/10 - Phoenix, AZ 11/12 – Salt Lake City, UT 11/13 - Denver, CO 11/14 - Albuquerque, NM 11/16 - El Paso, TX 11/18 - San Antonio, TX 11/19 - Dallas, TX 11/20 - Houston, TX 11/23 - Kansas City, MO 11/24 - St. Louis, MO 11/26 - Chicago, IL 11/27 - Milwaukee, WI 11/28 - Minneapolis, MN 11/30 - Detroit, MI 12/02 - New York, NY 12/03 - Boston, NY ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:48:49 -0300 From: Carlos Andres Alfaro To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Here's a new one for ya Message-ID: Oddvar Lovaas wrote: > >"Hey, so there's only three guys in the band right?" > >I finally meet another person who likes DT, and he'd never noticed > >they had a keyboardist ;) > > And the second missing member is? I was thinking he either was thinking of Rush, or ya know how rumours and misinformation spreads, and maybe this guy had heard of DT, and someone instad of saying that they "sound" like rush, that theyre 3 guys (like rush) I hear all kinds of misinformation when it comes to DT ( from ppl who ve heard of them but not actually heard them) -- You learned well, through your hell Your Pain was nothing, you longed for more Your shameful heaven is full of devils Just like me, Just for You Carlos Alfaro , Internet Solutions Inc mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:31:31 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" To: Subject: Re: Q2K Message-ID: <002501bf00b4$c4e02380$message_id_removed> >of the record. After all, as someone else pointed out, we'll need to know >the title before we can go get it at the shops - plus, once we have it in Not the people who actually support local commerce. I trust the guy at the local CD shoppe with order in about 6 copies and save one specifically for me. :) I don't have to know one damn thing about the new album until I unwrap it and pop it in the CD player. And I eagerly await the moment that my fancy will be most thoroughly tickled. So quit trying to justify your reasons to post info here. :) -- KorgX3 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:19:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Nicole R. Stachowicz" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: I'm disappointed Message-ID: Hey all, I wanted to let everyone know that as of right now, I'm unsubscribing from this list until October 26. I'm tired of the bickering and the general lack of brains of some of you. On top of all that, I am THOROUGHLY disappointed in ALL of you who have posted spoilers/tracklistings/title/other information about the new album. What happened to the days of putting several lines of ***SPOILERS*** in an email to warn those of us who didn't want to know? What happened to the common courtesy (and common sense) of respecting other peoples' wishes about what they did and did NOT want to know about the new album? Oh, I forgot. We're not overrun with people who can't figure out ways to NOT post in MIME and where the average IQ is 3. And to the people who bitched other people out about posting spoilers and then went on to re-post the same spoilers: SHAME ON YOU! You should know better too. To those of you who are trying to do the right thing, I apologize for this email. Most of you know this is out of character for me, and I really feel bad that it has come down to this. I also wish to apologize to Skadz and to wish him good luck over the coming weeks. I wish everyone good health and happiness. I'll see you all on October 26. And if anyone has anything to say to me (or Korg, if you post another funny), send it privately as I won't read another 'jam until then. Peace, A very disappointed Nicole/Kirby === Nicole R. Stachowicz Kirby on irc.dreamt.org:2112 email_address_removed http://www.christopherlloyd.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:11:50 -0700 From: Michael Kizer To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Re: Question for veteran 'jammers... Message-ID: Mark Peters wrote: > > ..and I mean VETERAN 'jammers. Anyone remember some guy that went by > the name of Mindcrimer, or something like that? He would always rip DT > to shreds while extolling the virtues of Queensr=FFche. Anyway, I'd love > to hear what he thinks of Q2K. hehe... I remember that guy... I am sure he wrote his raving review of the album before he even heard it... that guy was truly annoying from what I remember... ;) -- ~Michael Kizer < email_address_removed > < ICQ # 2070538 > "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." ~ http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<< >>> Underground Internet Radio at: http://www.ytseradio.com <<< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:17:08 -0500 From: "Toby Guidry" To: Subject: Re: Queensryche tour info Message-ID: <014201bf011f$b531b190$message_id_removed> There are a few dates added since that list... Jan-Michael wrote: > QUEENSRYCHE It actually starts 10/27 in Boise, ID > 10/29 - Las Vegas, NV > 10/30 - Las Vegas, NV > 11/01 - Seattle, WA > 11/03 - Spokane, WA > 11/04 - Portland, OR > 11/06 - San Jose, CA > 11/07 - Los Angeles, CA > 11/09 - San Diego, CA > 11/10 - Phoenix, AZ > 11/12 - Salt Lake City, UT > 11/13 - Denver, CO > 11/14 - Albuquerque, NM > 11/16 - El Paso, TX > 11/18 - San Antonio, TX > 11/19 - Dallas, TX > 11/20 - Houston, TX > 11/23 - Kansas City, MO > 11/24 - St. Louis, MO > 11/26 - Chicago, IL > 11/27 - Milwaukee, WI > 11/28 - Minneapolis, MN > 11/30 - Detroit, MI > 12/02 - New York, NY > 12/03 - Boston, NY That should be Boston, MA actually. TENTATIVE: 12/04 - New Haven, CT TENTATIVE: 12/06 - Toronto, Canada TENTATIVE: 12/07 - Akron, OH 2000 01/14 Stockholm 01/16 Hamburg 01/17 Berlin 01/18 Liepzig 01/20 Ludwigshafen 01/21 Stuttgart 01/22 Zurich 01/25 Nuremberg 01/26 Munich 01/27 Milan 01/29 Offenbach 01/30 Brussels / Koln 01/31 Bremen 02/02 Koln / Brussels 02/03 Rotterdam 02/04 Paris 02/06 London L8r, Toby http://www.cajunnet.com/~tobyg "We've been telling the press for years we have an intelligent audience. That's only to make us look good." - Geoff Tate at MTV Unplugged taping, April 27, 1992. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:35:47 -0400 From: "Chris Anderson" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Q2K.....wish I hadn't bought that one! Message-ID: Hello all! I'm a new guy to ytsejam but not to Dream Theater and the progressive metal scene. I have seen these posts about Q2k's poor quality. My question is: Is this Queensryche the same Queensryche who wrote master pieces like Operation Mindcrime, Best I Can, and I AM I???? Poor album in my own opinion. There is a decent touch of "feel" on songs and some people (who like the typical 4-4 guitar-loud kind of music) might like this album As for me, I think Queensryche should really consider this album to be a let down for atleast the "so-so" Ryche fan like myself.....flame me if you like. I can't wait for Dream Theater's new one! I just watched "5 years in a Livetime" last night,,,,,,,this band is close to being my favorite. They're right up there with Rush and U2. By the way, if you're a Dream Theater fan and you live in North Carolina, let me know. There are not many DTers down this way; many more in PA where I'm originally from! Chris Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:56:15 -0400 From: "Pat Sullivan" To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: Possible web spoiler... Message-ID: A note for anyone who is trying to avoid finding our anything about the new CD - DON'T GO TO CDNOW. I found out while surfing there that the new album is out for preordering. There's not a whole lot of information there, but even seeing what I saw pissed me off a little. Consider yourselves warned. __Pat Sullivan______________________________ Email: email_address_removed WWW: http://home.ici.net/~psull/psull.html AIM: TOWHTSTS ICQ: 23499229 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:56:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: WTF? CDnow just did something interesting! (No Spoilers) Message-ID: This is something VERY interesting - I just went to pre-order the new DT on CDnow, and it had listed the price as $12.49. When I re-entered my credit card info and address info, it jacked the price up to $14.99! What's the deal with this? ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.home.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- Before you criticize somebody, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you DO criticize him, you'll be a mile away AND you'll have his shoes. ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:24:59 +0200 From: mams.gajic@t-online.de (Alex Gajic) To: ytsejam@torchsong.com, todasco@yahoo.com Subject: AAAAAAAAARRRGGHH! Message-ID: It's not true! Tell me it's not true!!!! How can a single person be so fucking stupid??????? Not only that you don't no the fucking ytsejam-request address. You possess the incredible genius to quote the whole 900 lines of jam because you clicked the "reply" button. Thank god, yahoo saved us. Thank you, Yahoo, we owe you one digest less. Michael, CAN YOU READ?!?!?! Dammit! -Haschkeks * Oh come, let us adore him, abuse and then ignore him..." DREAM THEATER ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:24:50 -0500 From: "Toby Guidry" To: Subject: Re: WTF? CDnow just did something interesting! (No Spoilers) Message-ID: <017801bf0129$2ae87eb0$message_id_removed> Andrew Coutermarsh wrote: > This is something VERY interesting - I just went to pre-order the new DT > on CDnow, and it had listed the price as $12.49. When I re-entered my > credit card info and address info, it jacked the price up to $14.99! > > What's the deal with this? I noticed that as well, and hence didn't pre-order since it looked a little fishy. Maybe it's related to the disappearing info at Elektra? Maybe somebody out there is having a little fun being a tease. LOL L8r, Toby http://www.cajunnet.com/~tobyg "We've been telling the press for years we have an intelligent audience. That's only to make us look good." - Geoff Tate at MTV Unplugged taping, April 27, 1992. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:29:45 +0200 From: "Sasha" To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" Subject: Innocence Faded Tab? Message-ID: <000701bf0129$e0f06100$55e91dc3@sasa> hey! i was looking for a Innocence faded tablature (for guitar) and came across the one on www.dreamtheater.net and frankly, i can`t understand a thing there... it has been transcrubed by a certain Adam Bodnar and i can`t even figure out the intro solo... he did a fine job alright tabbing out both the guitars at the beggining but it looks very confusing (at least to me). Anyhow, if anyone has that tablature scanned from the Tab book or maybe some other "more understandable" version, i`d be very grateful if you`d mail that to me... I have Metropolis scaned from the tab book, so if anyone needs that, feel free to contact me... "Lifting shadows off a dream Once broken She can turn a drop of water Into an ocean..." John Myung of Dream Theater ["Lifting Shadows Off A Dream"] email_address_removed.hr http://chronosphere.zambizzi.com ICQ UIN - 6098813 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:42:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen To: ytsejam@torchsong.com Subject: what ruins an album Message-ID: With all this talk about secrecy on the new recording, thought I'd throw in my thoughts... Knowing the title or song listing doesn't bother me. That's something I'm going to know before HEARING the album anyway. It's the first thing I'll see when I pick up the disc. What bothers me (and is probably what DT had in mind) is pre-reviews and related arguments. If you read a lot of other peoples opinions about the music before you hear it, it creates strong prejudices in most people. I think this is what we're trying to avoid here. The best situation would be for everyone to give it at least 10 listens before reading anyone else's comments or giving any opinions of your own. What really is unfair is when someone listens once and then tells the world that the recording sucks. Everyone remembers that. When they post their opinion a week later and say "whoops, I was wrong, it's the greatest recording ever made!", it's too late. People only remember that first impression. my $.02, BH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5071 **************************