YTSEJAM Digest 5014 Today's Topics: 1) what I meant to post by "Trevor W. Hoit" 2) Sell Outs - This is my definition... by Dave Ware 3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5012 by "Kevin Hammer" 4) DT in korea by Todd Wilson 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5013 by email_address_removed 6) Time for your closeup, Mr Labrie by "Joe Bissonnette" 7) Re: Saviour Machine and Kubrick by Dale R Newberry 8) overdubs by Ryan Blankenship 9) Re: Time for your closeup, Mr Labrie by "Carlos A. Alfaro" 10) Mr. Portnoy's public flogging. by "Korg Ecksthrey" 11) Ytse Island by IRON HENDERSON 12) Re: Mr. Portnoy's public flogging. by "TheCowGod ." 13) Re: Mr. Portnoy's public flogging. by "Carlos A. Alfaro" 14) RE: Mr. Portnoy's public flogging. by "Mark Bredius" 15) Re: www.ENSTONED.com by email_address_removed 16) DT on MTV by CyberDuke 17) Re: what is the opposite of selling out? by email_address_removed 18) Re: Mr. Portnoy's public flogging. by Al Balkiewicz 19) Re: what is the opposite of selling out? by Al Balkiewicz 20) FII tour music/remarks about New Orleans by Kurt Hampton ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:12:28 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: what I meant to post Message-ID: Sorry. > I often wonder if people would've called DT sell outs > if FII had been a success. It seems to be okay for DT > to write a song like "Anna Lee" as long as it bombs > like so many German warships during WWII, but if it's > a success, then they sold out. I think you can have a popular song and not sell out. Take Extreme for example. More Than Words was hellapopular. Of course now they're known as a one-hit wonder. Which is worse? :) > >Maybe we should buy an island somewhere for all the Ytsejammers. We could > all live on this "Ytse Island" and >have our own radio station. > wouldn`t that be great! our own TV, radio, music stores... man it would be > an island for prog like Monte Carlo for gambling and formula 1! wow... and a man/woman ratio of 50/1? I don't think so! Trevor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:17:05 -0500 From: Dave Ware To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Sell Outs - This is my definition... Message-ID: <63E392974AF3D211A88600104B93BD8B02D879@bham-xchg> Hey guys, Korgy did say: >Alot of them probably still have to work day jobs, but they hit their target >audience, and the people that listen to them love them for their music, not >their image. Personally, I think that's gotta be more rewarding than cash >anyday. :) > >'Nuff said >-- >KorgX3 >NP: Def Leppard - Euphoria I agree with everything Korg said here (actually I always agree with everything he says, he's a scary man and he will get into your head...). Did anyone else think it was funny that Korgy was talking about sell outs and listening to Def Leppard....? (no flame intended - I just thought it was funny). My definition of "selling out" does not take into account the popularity/money made stuff. It's about the music. The one thing that, to me, constitutes a sell out is how you write your songs. I believe that too many bands (probably through record label preasure) will write a perfectly good song, then sit with a producer and change this bit or that, rewrite this part, shorten that solo, repeat that chorus 'till fade out etc. They write songs to be hits. This is fine for Britney and the BackPassage Boys, that is what is expected, it's when damn fine rock bands start doing it - it really pisses me off. Yeah - whatever, Dave (a UK jammer - still in Alabama). NP: BD - Accident of Birth. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:02:53 EDT From: "Kevin Hammer" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5012 Message-ID: > > Yeah yeah yeah-- it's great to buy a CD and think that you're doing > > the artist a service, but the fact of the matter is that you spend > > $12 to $18 on a CD, and the artist only gets $2.50. Screw that. > >??? No way! Is it really THAT little? :( Actually, when the album first comes out, the $2.50 goes to repaying production costs. The band/artist doesn't see any of it until everything is repayed. The only real money they make at first is on touring. kevin _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:15:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Wilson To: email_address_removed Subject: DT in korea Message-ID: so does anyone have any mp3's of the show last saturday? did anyone go to the show? i am wanting to hear how they sounded with jordan doing the songs. todd === Todd W. Wilson Product Engineering Enterprise Computing Systems Division Networking and Computing Systems Group Motorola http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Street/7700 _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:45:35 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5013 Message-ID: << Korn was playing their style of music long before it became popular, and I can't tell much difference btwn their first album and their most recent. >> Um, what? You cant even be serious? There new album is terrible, with ONE song that really does anything for me and thats "Dead Bodies Everywhere". I'm sorry, but if you think that the raping they do on there and the cheasy little singing John Davis and Fred Durst do together in "All in the Family" sounds like the original KoRn album, you really need to pop it in again and listen more closely. The entire album has lost its anger, its touch of destructive feeling. John is running out of things to complain about I guess and so his ideas are becoming more, well, crappy. Wow . . . same sound, no way . . . RaY ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:18:04 -0500 From: "Joe Bissonnette" To: email_address_removed Subject: Time for your closeup, Mr Labrie Message-ID: Matt on MTV > > Actually, I think if we want to fuck with the brainwashed Korn fans, vote for > Lie, not Hollow Years. Besides the fact that its heavy, its a 7 string song, > which at least the guitar playing Korn fans will relate to more, think about > it: > > Korn fan says: > "whoa cool, this band uses 7 string guitars too (Petrucci's solo comes on) and > they can actually PLAY them!" > Or, more likely the Korn fan says: "dude, this is the cheesiest video I've ever seen. Who's the old loser trying to sing? Look at that HAIR!!!" I don't think DT has done a video yet that doesn't look like it came right out of 1987. No offense, Mike, but whoever directed all your videos should be thrashed. Maybe if they had a video worth seeing, it'd be worth trying to get it played. But DT will probably never make a really cool video, because it costs money, and why bother if MTV is never going to play it anyway. And a little tip for them if they try: no more close-ups of KJLB!!! Seriously. He's the most un-MTV-friendly element of the band (note, I'm not saying he's bad, just that he's the most likely thing to make MTV viewers dislike DT), don't shine a spotlight on him. Just make a video of Mike going nuts on his kit or something... And how many Korn fans realize, or care how many strings are on those guitars? Biz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:18:32 -0500 From: Dale R Newberry To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Saviour Machine and Kubrick Message-ID: Oh yeah, another interesting connection between two threads, the guitarist for Saviour Machine (Jeff Clayton) has a Clockwork Orange tattoo on his left arm, and Eric Clayton (vocalist) lists it as one of his favourite movies. Dale R. Newberry ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:31:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Ryan Blankenship To: email_address_removed Subject: overdubs Message-ID: I've heard mentioned many times on here that the vox on LATM and ACOS were actually recorded in the studio, overdubbing the live tracks...im just curious as to how this is such a well known fact, I mean can you guys just listen and tell, or do you all have a reliable source that i dont know about...just curious blankey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:36:12 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" To: Subject: Re: Time for your closeup, Mr Labrie Message-ID: <000401bede97$76cb1040$message_id_removed> >Or, more likely the Korn fan says: >"dude, this is the cheesiest video I've ever seen. Who's the old loser >trying to sing? Look at that HAIR!!!" > >I don't think DT has done a video yet that doesn't look like it came right >out of 1987. No offense, Mike, but whoever directed all your videos should Well i think the video for Hollow years is good...but more for a VH-1 type thing weve mentioned before..but its not cheesy at all..and has nice cinematography or whatever you call its "look" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 11:25:16 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" To: Subject: Mr. Portnoy's public flogging. Message-ID: <001201b824ec$541c20e0$message_id_removed> >Well i think the video for Hollow years is good...but more for a VH-1 type >thing weve mentioned before..but its not cheesy at all..and has nice >cinematography or whatever you call its "look" Not too mention I think it was directed by Mike himself. I know for sure that The Silent Man vid was. Now, what was that about the director getting a thrashing? :) I thought the TSM and HY vids were very good. The ones prior to that were average early 90's videos. I think the only DT video I'd consider cheesy is Take the Time. hehehe. but that's it. -- KorgX3 finds closure with an empty Pepsi can. NP: Creature of Habit - Jackjaw.mp3 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 14:33:32 -0400 From: IRON HENDERSON To: email_address_removed Subject: Ytse Island Message-ID: >Maybe we should buy an island somewhere for all the Ytsejammers. We could >all live on this "Ytse Island" and have our own radio station. One problem: the island's male-to-female ratio. We're talking worse than Alaska's. Can you imagine what the talk shows would be like? Host: So you were cheating on your boyfriend? Female Guest: Yes. Audience: Oooooohhhh... Guest: Well it's kind of hard not to want to shop around a bit -- there's fifty men to every woman after all. Host: Good point. Let's take a question from the audience. Audience Member: Yeah, I was wondering...are you available Friday? Host: Why don't we bring out the boyfriend and ask him? See what I mean? At least the bumper music would be good! Brian =================================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: email_address_removed ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ WARNING: Do NOT go to the above website!!! =================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 14:36:26 AST From: "TheCowGod ." To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Mr. Portnoy's public flogging. Message-ID: >From: "Korg Ecksthrey" >Subject: Mr. Portnoy's public flogging. > >a thrashing? :) I thought the TSM and HY vids were very good. The ones >prior to that were average early 90's videos. I think the only DT video >I'd >consider cheesy is Take the Time. hehehe. but that's it. Do you mean PMU? I can't remember a video for TTT, and the PMU one sure was cheezy :) IMO and all that. moo. *** END OF TRANSMISSION *** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:15:28 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" To: Subject: Re: Mr. Portnoy's public flogging. Message-ID: <000601bedead$b68aa2c0$message_id_removed> >Do you mean PMU? I can't remember a video for TTT, and the PMU one sure was >cheezy :) IMO and all that. moo. > Well dan, dont you have Live in tokyo? its right there in the tape.. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:21:54 +0200 From: "Mark Bredius" To: Subject: RE: Mr. Portnoy's public flogging. Message-ID: <000a01bedeae$9c5451c0$0100007f@localhost> TheCowGod wrote: > Do you mean PMU? I can't remember a video for TTT, and the > PMU one sure was cheezy :) IMO and all that. moo. There is a video for "Take The Time" too... I saw it on MTV's Headbanger's Ball a few times, here in Europe. They also had Mike Portnoy as a guest presentor once, instead of Vanessa Warwick... :-) Mark Bredius _______________________________________________________ Under A Cyber Moon - The Official Dream Theater Website http://www.dreamtheater.net/ E-mail: email_address_removed *** Join the FREE weekly Dream Theater newsletter ! *** Send email to to subscribe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:54:28 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: www.ENSTONED.com Message-ID: hey everyone check out this new band i heard of...they got some sound samples on their page and theyre pretty cool...i dont know if theyre local or jus unsigned but they caught my ear quickly...check em out....www.enstoned.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 22:03:07 +0200 From: CyberDuke To: email_address_removed Subject: DT on MTV Message-ID: > Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 23:15:51 -0500 > From: Josh Watkins > Subject: RE: Dream Theater on MTV > > When they bother to reply, it's usually along the lines of..."Thank > you for your email, but you need to understand that we are running a > business, and no one likes Savatage or Dream Theater." Others have > replied in less than friendly tones telling me to take my 80's loving > ass and make my own radio station to play my "dead" metal music. Ah, so that's what I am in this wonderful world? A crazy looney dead prog rock lover. Cool, no more identity crises. :) -- CyberDuke ________________________________________ "Lisa, get away from that jazzer!" - Simpsons ________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:27:41 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: what is the opposite of selling out? Message-ID: Emily Dickinson (I think) once said that selling one's art is like selling one's soul. Therefore, I think we should stop buying DT stuff to save their souls. Ha ha, just kidding! The only unmistakable sell-out would have to be Metallica. Not that I'm trying to start another Metallica thread. Please no. I really hated that everlasting debate. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:44:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Mr. Portnoy's public flogging. Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Korg Ecksthrey wrote: > > >Well i think the video for Hollow years is good...but more for a VH-1 type > >thing weve mentioned before..but its not cheesy at all..and has nice > >cinematography or whatever you call its "look" > > Not too mention I think it was directed by Mike himself. I know for sure > that The Silent Man vid was. Now, what was that about the director getting > a thrashing? :) I thought the TSM and HY vids were very good. The ones > prior to that were average early 90's videos. I think the only DT video I'd > consider cheesy is Take the Time. hehehe. but that's it. > -- > KorgX3 finds closure with an empty Pepsi can. > NP: Creature of Habit - Jackjaw.mp3 > I agree whole heartedly. Not to take away from the music of course, but the videos are quite bad. I also agree with the LaBrie comment about the video-unfriendly factor. I would have to rank the videos in order of cheesiness as the following (from cheesiest to best): 1.) Lie - unbelievably bad, especially with the music cuts. The whole sunglass thing is horrendous too. Just plain bad. No offense to anyone, especially anyone in the band who may have produced it, but I just can't even watch it. James' hand movements and all that are terrible, and just in general it's pretty cheezed out. 2.) Pull Me Under - granted, low-budget, "wear your best shirt" thing. I think this would have been an AWESOME video (easily #4), if they just stuck with the concert footage. The whole wolf-boy thing was bad - and that beating heart was atrocious. The edits in the song kinda blow too. 3.) Take the Time - just because of the fact that there were a couple of times where you can see James mess up the words and wasn't in sync with the actual music itself - more of an editing screw-up than anything else. Liked it on the whole though. The burning paper with "dream theater" on it and stuff like that was pretty cool, as well as the rest of the stuff that was intertwined with the footage of them playing. 4.) Silent Man - The video is great, and I think that it would have been a pretty good draw at the time on the video stations. 5.) Another Day - great video, just like how it was done. And the little girl was just adorable. She's definitely gonna be a looker when she grows up (and no, I'm not sick - she's a beautiful kid, that's all, you perverts). Would have been a great video to see on the video channels. 6.) Hollow Years - Best video yet, hands down. A little too much of the close-ups of James, but the whole storyline feel of the video, with the kid in the alley, and the scenes of the band driving around, are just great. Did I miss any videos? They're progressively getting better in the video department, no pun intended. I think that their next video should be pretty damn good if the trend stays consistent. I personally would have liked to have seen the unplugged "Speak to Me" come out as a video. Since they didn't release it officially, though, it wouldn't make sense. IMHO, I think that that version of that song is one of the best pieces of music that they have put out since Change of Seasons. But what the hell do I know. -Al -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= w e w a l k i n t h e d a m a g e o f m a n k i n d -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= email_address_removed OR email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:45:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: what is the opposite of selling out? Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Aug 1999 email_address_removed wrote: > trying to start another Metallica thread. Please no. I really hated that > everlasting debate. > You calling Everlast a sell-out? Oh boy, you're asking for it now. :) man, do I need to get out of work.... -Al ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:31:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Kurt Hampton To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: FII tour music/remarks about New Orleans Message-ID: I didn't catch the FII tour. What was the opening music? I live in the land 43 Dream Theater fans, better known as New Orleans. Honestly Mike, I think you guys would get a much better response if you ever came back, I don't know what club you guys played at, but it is very different down here with the House of Blues. People go to metal shows just to go. Hell, there were teeny boppers at Slayer playing airdrums behind me. (I loved it though) :) Just my .02 cents Kurt ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** @----'--,--- ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** "I remember Now" "Rodney King, what the hell is that supposed to mean? He's that guy." Airheads ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5014 **************************