YTSEJAM Digest 5012 Today's Topics: 1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5011 by "Kevin Hammer" 2) Re: Kubrick by Brad Plumb 3) Kubrick movies (Sorry!) by Brad Plumb 4) Re: Selling out and other stuff by Kurt Hampton 5) Re: Styx vs. Ice Age vs. DT vs ... by "Paul Evans" 6) ACOS overdubs by Andreas Skarin - SDTS 7) Re: Dream Theater on MTV by Andreas Skarin - SDTS 8) Ice Age by Graham Boyle 9) RE: ACOS overdubs by David Dixon 10) Derek Sherinian Chat / DT Dream by Yuval Regev 11) kings x by "Isaac Trumbo" 12) mp3 rev. by CyberDuke 13) Dream Theatre by "Ryan Vance" 14) New Millennium in mp3 by "Zeusz dA ReAl V0CalISt" 15) Re: TRL Live by "Matt Molite" 16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5011 by Dale R Newberry 17) Latest jams by email_address_removed 18) Re: Shadow Gallery live by "Timothy P. Shough" 19) Stanley Kubrick by email_address_removed 20) Re: Stanley Kubrick by Alan Estrada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:48:24 EDT From: "Kevin Hammer" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5011 Message-ID: >is it possible to be commercially viable while doing the opposite of >selling >out? I'm of the opinion that any musician that is selling his art is to >some >degree, no matter how miniscule, selling out some pportioon of his or her >soul when it comes time to offer that art out to the world in exchange for >monetary reward, but that's just me.... To paraphrase South Park: Anyone who works in entertainment and makes money is a sell out. kevin _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:40:15 -0500 From: Brad Plumb To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Kubrick Message-ID: At 09:54 PM 8/2/99 -0700, you wrote: > >way off topic I know but I need to know if someone on this list likes >Stanley Kubrick's movies... > >please email me privately... I'm a bit of a Kubrick fan, and I have great respect for the man. I don't always get into him as much as everyone else, but I love what he's done for film. However I really was blown away by Eyes Wide Shut, and it might make my pick for best movie of the year. My favs are Dr. Strangelove, Clockwork Orange, and Eyes Wide Shut. Palpatine Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai "Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "Sorry Hank, I can't give you a reading. Your future's all used up." -Touch of Evil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:45:23 -0500 From: Brad Plumb To: email_address_removed Subject: Kubrick movies (Sorry!) Message-ID: Ah crap! Meant to send that privately, like requested. Not exactly awake at the moment and reflexively just hit the reply button. Sorry. Palpatine Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai "Thank God I'm an atheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "Sorry Hank, I can't give you a reading. Your future's all used up." -Touch of Evil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:45:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Kurt Hampton To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Selling out and other stuff Message-ID: I am actually listening to the new Ratt CD as a write. I don't think bands ever sold out, and are now buying back in, they just went through turmoil, breakups, etc. I guess it was around 1993 or so, I remeber watching the year in rock on MTV, and the big story was "Metal Meltdown" A bunch of bands broke up or dropped out of the light at the same time. (Def Leppard, Cinderella, ratt, Great White) you get the picture. Now all these bands realize that they still have an audience, and want to do what they did before. Def Leppard tried a different direction with Slang, which was a bomb. I personally like it, but that is just me. Heavy musci went through a dormant period in the mid 90's. Anthrax, Megadeth, DT, and Metallica all put albums, and kinda of carried the torch for rock. Now all the old bands that were popular are making a second run. There is nothing wrong with that. I WISH Sepultura would get back together, and Tesla. that would rule. Kurt NP-ratt "Ratt" ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** @----'--,--- ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** "I remember Now" "Rodney King, what the hell is that supposed to mean? He's that guy." Airheads ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:56:42 -0700 From: "Paul Evans" To: Subject: Re: Styx vs. Ice Age vs. DT vs ... Message-ID: <004101beddea$510aca60$message_id_removed> Yikes. Ok. I grew up listening to Styx, as well as Kansas, and all the classic rock groups of the late 70's early 80's. Blah blah... Anyway, could somebody please point out to me with some concrete examples (ie. songs!) of how Ice Age sounds like Styx, or even Kansas? I mean other than the singer sounding like Dennis DeYoung, and possibly some keyboard sounds??? I don't hear anything else Styx-like. Which isn't a bad thing... It just starts me wondering when somebody says Ice Age sounds like DT (which they don't) and somebody counters that be saying they sound like Styx (which other than the aforementioned singer, they don't) What am I not hearing? Also, I'm not flaming anybody!!! Except maybe Ice Age. I've listened to the Great Divide many times, trying to like it. I was hoping for another home run, like Dali's Dilemma. But to me, IA needs to get a new singer/lyricist/melody writer. I like the parts where there isn't any singing! ANd the lyrics are pretty juvenile, ie. The Bottom Line... They have great potential, but some of the stuff sounds kinda sloppy at times. And yes, I AM perfect :-) Seriously, JUST my opinion, no better than anyone elses... Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 22:03:36 +0200 From: Andreas Skarin - SDTS To: Ytsejam Subject: ACOS overdubs Message-ID: This question has probably been answered 10 times already, but I haven't been around for very long so here it goes. I'm thinking about the vocals on the live songs on ACOS. Did they record anything afterwards or is it all real live vocals? I'm asking cause I've never heard James sing that good after that. On OIALT he doesn't even come close. I'm not saying he sucks on OIALT, but I notice a difference. Cheers! Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater S=E4llskapet http://sdts.cjb.net - mailto:email_address_removed.se ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 22:03:51 +0200 From: Andreas Skarin - SDTS To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Dream Theater on MTV Message-ID: Josh Watkins wrote: > I would live in Sweden where In Flames' Colony debuted at #38 on > the Billboards, and Dimmu Borgir wins a Grammy... It's no better here Josh. We can't listen to the radio here either :-( Ma= ybe we should buy an island somewhere for all the Ytsejammers. We could all live= on this "Ytse Island" and have our own radio station. Cheers! Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater S=E4llskapet http://sdts.cjb.net - mailto:email_address_removed.se ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 06:13:54 +1000 From: Graham Boyle To: "email_address_removed" Subject: Ice Age Message-ID: I think the world that best describes is 'progressive AOR' they have the heaviness of prog metal, yet the melody of AOR. AOR = Adult Oriented Rock gaz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:34:04 -0700 From: David Dixon To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: RE: ACOS overdubs Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649016AE867@messaging> Yes, the vox were overdubbed - OiaLT is the first official live release with "live" vocals... David -----Original Message----- ]From: Andreas Skarin - SDTS [mailto:email_address_removed Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 1:12 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: ACOS overdubs This question has probably been answered 10 times already, but I haven't been around for very long so here it goes. I'm thinking about the vocals on the live songs on ACOS. Did they record anything afterwards or is it all real live vocals? I'm asking cause I've never heard James sing that good after that. On OIALT he doesn't even come close. I'm not saying he sucks on OIALT, but I notice a difference. Cheers! Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater S=E4llskapet http://sdts.cjb.net - mailto:email_address_removed.se ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 00:26:18 +0300 From: Yuval Regev To: email_address_removed Subject: Derek Sherinian Chat / DT Dream Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990806002618.007e8ec0@192.168.0.1> Hey everybody, In an Internet newspaper here in Israel I found this: "Chat with keyboardist Derek Sherinian (Alice Cooper, Kiss)", August 10, 3:00 (GMT +0200), http://chat.yahoo.com. I think (I KNOW) that this is the first time I ever hear/read anything about DT (related) stuff. I don't think that anybody here know about them (I know few who does), so this message (in one of the biggest newspaper here) almost knocked me off the chair. Shame, however, that they didn't bother to mention that for four years Derek was in DT, nor that the chat will probably be about Planet X. Anyway, check it out! Also: Chat with The Moody Blues, http://chat01.asylum.com/studio-i , August 4, 3:00 (GMT +0200) Chat with Uriah Heep, http://chat.yahoo.com , August 6, 5:00 (GMT +0200) Can somebody tell me when did Derek played for Kiss or Alice Cooper (both of my favourite bands!)? And I just had to share this dream I had about Dream Theater: In my dream I woke up one morning, and passing by the television, which was turned on channel 2 (the biggest here) I actually saw Dream Theater on T.V. I haven't yet seen any of their videos, but in my dream they were playing Another Day, and James LaBrie was playing on guitar. That was all I can see. Anyway, it was nice to have such a good dream. (I guess it's a sign I should buy 5YiaLT) BTW - Don't forget to send your DT Favourites to me: email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 21:30:39 GMT From: "Isaac Trumbo" To: email_address_removed Subject: kings x Message-ID: i was in san diego last sunday, and upon my return to the SF bay area, i found out kings x played maritime hall and i missed it... just wondering if anyone went and how was it.. inferno NP: mission uk - god's own medicine _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:48:00 +0200 From: CyberDuke To: email_address_removed Subject: mp3 rev. Message-ID: > Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:39:05 -0700 > From: "Nick Guadagnoli" > > Yeah yeah yeah-- it's great to buy a CD and think that you're doing > the artist a service, but the fact of the matter is that you spend > $12 to $18 on a CD, and the artist only gets $2.50. Screw that. ??? No way! Is it really THAT little? :( While it's true there's a lot work behind releasing album, where many other folks are involved than the band, but the question is . OK then, how much do you think a normal CD should cost, when all people involved in the album release gets their fair ammount of money? > how can we make it easier for the artists to get the corporate > monkey off their backs? the answer lies in the same > direction that MP3 points out for us. So, up 'till now record companies exist because bands are incapable of doing all the work right? Is there any chance they move out of the way? Hmmm.... I don't think they'll give up. It's not crazy to think of some new strict laws that will apply to these matters, in order to "protect" the record labels. P.S. This Ice Age vs. DT thread is already boring as hell!!!! And it's the same old formula course as with all threads, everybody throws their opinions and the final result is a fight and eveybidy still keeping their opinions! SO SHUT UP!!! -- CyberDuke ________________________________________ "Lisa, get away from that jazzer!" - Simpsons ________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:26:06 MDT From: "Ryan Vance" To: email_address_removed Subject: Dream Theatre Message-ID: >> and on the other, on a tape released in 1989, they thank a band called "Dream Theatre".......anyone know any story about how that came about? a tour together in the early days, perchance, or common Berklee roots, maybe? Mr. Portnoy? >> I have seen this many times at large music stores. The little CD dividers say 'Dream Theatre'. I suspect some dumb ass kid who was hired to input their data base fucked up, and being DT, no one nocticed or cared to change it. It's a typo :P -Ryan Look I have a sig. line! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 01:48:36 +0200 From: "Zeusz dA ReAl V0CalISt" To: email_address_removed Subject: New Millennium in mp3 Message-ID: <199908040148360190.000E01D0@c3.hu> hey guys. Has anyone got New Millenium in mp3 format? And if anyone has: Can he upload it to my server?(I would of course give you the login/pass for it...) Or can anyone just give me a host name and a login/pass to get that song? Thank you in advance...: Zeusz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:49:10 -0400 From: "Matt Molite" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: TRL Live Message-ID: <> Actually, I think if we want to fuck with the brainwashed Korn fans, vote for Lie, not Hollow Years. Besides the fact that its heavy, its a 7 string song, which at least the guitar playing Korn fans will relate to more, think about it: Korn fan says: "whoa cool, this band uses 7 string guitars too (Petrucci's solo comes on) and they can actually PLAY them!" Its also the one video they did where it doesnt cut the song so bad that it makes it excruciating to listen to. Matt +----------------------------------+ |A daily dose of eMpTyV will flush | |your mind right down the drain - | | | | Mike Portnoy | +----------------------------------+ Dream Theater newsletter - http://www.dreamtheater.net/uacmmail/ ___________________________________________________________ Get your own Web-based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:39:45 -0500 From: Dale R Newberry To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5011 Message-ID: >KorgX3 >NP: Savior Machine - Carnival of Souls.mp3 Ah, yes, some great great stuff. If anyone hasn't checked out Saviour Machine yet, I just want to recommend them. Some might not like them, but if you dig some great, moody, dare I use the word "gothic" (I hate using that term here, but people have called them that) metal with symphonic sensibilities, you'll dig these guys. Heard the latest Tourniquet song the other day (the very much plugged in tune that appears on their "Acoustic Archives" indie release). Definitely very heavy stuff. I really hope they continue in this direction. Dale R. Newberry NP:Klank - Numb ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:57:36 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Latest jams Message-ID: Hey, Aol cut my power for a few days. The last jam I got was 5008. Would someone please let me know personally how many I missed. I would rather not receive 1300 posts in my mailbox, but I would like someone to forward them to me. Thanks, Todd "I sit down with my son, set to see the Crimson Sunset" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 22:02:15 -0400 From: "Timothy P. Shough" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Shadow Gallery live Message-ID: > I asked: > > >Are you sure??? Do mean Shadow Gallery doesn't tour regularly?? > >How about Magellan, Tempest?? > > > > Carol answered: > > >> No...Shadow Gallery does not tour regularly. Infact Shadow > >> Gallery as a band has not played out live at all. > > I ask again: > > WHY??? Is there any special reason??? I think a more appropriate question might be: Can we change this? The members of SG sound pretty anxious to hit the road and promote the record; I think Tarta Carta should support it. They are not the tiny, starving label they used to be. Even a few shows around the East Coast would help. There is enough of a progmetal fan base in PA, NY, NJ and OH to make it worthwhile. I think a petition is in order! How about a DT and SG tour after the new album is released in October? That would be awesome! We might have a better chance at that than getting DT on MTV, which would be pointless anyway. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:17:02 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Stanley Kubrick Message-ID: <<>> He was and always will be MY GOD..... (see my favorites lists in "about Mike" at mikeportnoy.com) Didn't anybody notice our opening theme music from the FII tour? The most incredible thing is that he died the same day my son Max was born.. (March 7th 1999) Mike Portnoy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 00:20:56 -0500 From: Alan Estrada To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Stanley Kubrick Message-ID: >He was and always will be MY GOD..... >(see my favorites lists in "about Mike" at mikeportnoy.com) >Didn't anybody notice our opening theme music from the FII tour? yes, I remember it was from clockwork orange but I didnt realize that it was because you was such a big fan... anyway...I know Im still off topic but maybe some of you would like to help me out with this trivia...some of the questios are way to easy but some of them are kind of hard....very hard... Q1: In "The Killing" on the day of the robbery which horse do they have to kill and at which race? Q2: in "2001" how many people was at the discovery and what's the computer's name? Q3: in "Lolita" Lolita writes a letter to his step father, what's the date of the day she wrote the letter in? (month and day) Q4: in "Paths of Glory" at what time was the execution of the 3 mens of the regiment 701? Q5: in "the Shining" who's tony? Q6: in "Dr. Strangelove" what brand of cigars were offered to the embassador? Q7: in "Full Metal jacket" what's Pyle's rifle name? Q8: in "Barry Lyndon" who was the kingdom's king? Q9: in "Clockwork Orange" what are the 2 circunstances that Alex has to face when he comes back home? Q10: in "Spartacus" who was the director the Kubrick replaced? thanks all...enjoy. I have most of them answered but I would like to compare answers. --- Alan Estrada Adler, ICQ #9267174 Monterrey, Mexico -------------------------------------------------------- http://welcome.to/thenetdom ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5012 **************************