YTSEJAM Digest 5010 Today's Topics: 1) LETS BRING DT TO MTV by email_address_removed 2) MC bands tour dates by Alexandro Talamini 3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5009 by "Dave Leon" 4) RE: MC bands tour dates by Carol Dellinger 5) New "Most Frequent Poster" lists... by "Mark Bredius" 6) Re: Eye on Queensryche by Kurt Hampton 7) Address Change Assistance Required by "Matthew Sickles" 8) Re: LETS BRING DT TO MTV by Andrew Coutermarsh 9) Re: Rondo Veneziano by "Sasha" 10) Korea Setlist. by Brian Larkin 11) mp3 revolution by "Nick Guadagnoli" 12) darkest of winters mp3 by email_address_removed 13) Re: LETS BRING DT TO MTV by Padawan Trent 14) Ice Age NOT ! by Graham Boyle 15) Ice Age / DT by Joe DeAngelo 16) Mini Digest (5003) by "Zeusz dA ReAl V0CalISt" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:14:53 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: LETS BRING DT TO MTV Message-ID: i was reading the ytsejam digest and someone brought up a good point...on MTV theres a show called TRL (total request live) (for those who dont know) we (DT FANS) should all get together and request a Dream Theater Video to play on this show...i mean it would be great to get DT on MTV...maybe it would create a buzz and the executives over there would get it into their thick heads that all this teeny bopper crap is no good...Dream Theater deserves more recognition...they are by far the best band out there right now...and its sad to see that noone cares about REAL music anymore...LETS UNITE AND BRING DT TO MTV!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:21:33 -0300 From: Alexandro Talamini To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: MC bands tour dates Message-ID: >>> Cairo tourdates? Haha, good one... The only Magna Carta >>> bands I've ever heard going on tour were those that toured >>> before joining up with Magna Carta in some way ... >>> Brian Are you sure??? Do mean Shadow Gallery doesn't tour regularly?? How about Magellan, Tempest?? Alex Curitiba, Brazil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:27:21 -0500 From: "Dave Leon" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5009 Message-ID: <000b01bec4b8$9f69f320$4d54bfa8@oemcomputer> On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Kez wrote: > I was wondering where that 'heavier than DT' thing came from. What the hell > is that? Snob nailed it on the head here, and the Styx similarities are Peter Geerts wrote: Oh well, someone commented on Ice Age and said it sounded like DT. I agreed, adding that IMO IA is heavier though. I dunno any Styx, so I can't compare IA to them, but I do know DT, so what's wrong in me finding them slightly heavier in some songs to way heavier than DT in others? Even the very first riff of Perpetual Child is something DT would never write when it comes to heaviness IMO (notice me writing IMO, so don't flame me for that). --------- Dave Leon writes: Well, I wont flame you, but you are completely wrong (IMO). Listen to some Styx before you throw your opinion out there. This is the same type of quality posts that you will find on the DT newsgroup. Ice Age is clearly most influenced by Styx. I'm not sure how you can say that IA is heavier than DT unless you are talking about the actual weight of the cd case and packaging. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 10:36:38 -0700 From: Carol Dellinger To: email_address_removed Subject: RE: MC bands tour dates Message-ID: Alex asked: >Are you sure??? Do mean Shadow Gallery doesn't tour regularly?? >How about Magellan, Tempest?? > >Alex >Curiiba, Brazil No...Shadow Gallery does not tour regularly. Infact Shadow Gallery as a band has not played out live at all. (back to lurk mode) Coldfire email_address_removed http://www.dreamt.org/coldfire Gallery of Shadows the Official Shadow Gallery Mailing List email_address_removed http://www.dreamt.org/galleryofshadows "the way you come to me is such a mystery, I just reach out and connect".....Mystery - Shadow Gallery ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:53:58 +0200 From: "Mark Bredius" To: "Ytsejam" , "Freaks mailinglist" Subject: New "Most Frequent Poster" lists... Message-ID: <000401bedd0f$ff340600$0100007f@localhost> Just a quick note to tell you guys the new Freaks and Ytsejam "Most Frequent Poster" lists are available at URL: http://www.digitalrodent.com/itchy/ Enjoy :) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:17:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Kurt Hampton To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Eye on Queensryche Message-ID: I haven'y gotten it yet. Two days ago, I got my autographed 8x10 and stickers, and of of course, the Queensryche ball point pen. Cool. 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Sickles Nortel Networks 919.303.6656 [ESN] 455.6656 [voice] 919.303.8850 [ESN] 455.8850 [fax] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:39:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: LETS BRING DT TO MTV Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Aug 1999 email_address_removed wrote: > i was reading the ytsejam digest and someone brought up a good > point...on MTV theres a show called TRL (total request live) (for > those who dont know) we (DT FANS) should all get together and request > a Dream Theater Video to play on this show...i mean it would be great > to get DT on MTV...maybe it would create a buzz and the executives > over there would get it into their thick heads that all this teeny > bopper crap is no good...Dream Theater deserves more recognition... > they are by far the best band out there right now...and its sad to see > that noone cares about REAL music anymore...LETS UNITE AND BRING DT TO > MTV!!!!!!!!!! As much as I (and, I'm sure, everybody else) appreciate your enthusiasm about DT, there is virtually NO chance of this happening, for a multitude of reasons. First, the obvious reason that there just aren't ENOUGH DT fans out there to make a difference when it came to requesting a song. You really should look at their numbers sometime - there are THOUSANDS of requests a day for these songs on TRL. There just aren't enough of us to make any real dent in the requests, let alone actually make enough votes for DT to get a video played. Secondly, I don't know about the rest of you, but I really don't WANT a Dream Theater video played on MTV. Why? Because I don't feel that DT videos aptly show what a great band DT really is. First of all, the videos are (admit it) kinda boring. Secondly, they cut the songs so taht they can be shorter. I just don't like the idea of it. Thirdly, MTV has nothing to do with good music. We've had this discussion before - MTV plays music for the pop generation. I, for one, DO sometimes feel like listening to pop music - I don't see anything wrong with this teeny-bopper stuff... unless they don't like what they're doing (in other words, if Britney Spears really likes the music she makes, as I don't doubt, then I don't have a problem with her making this kind of music). But face it, MTV is not around for the masses. It's a station that is designed for a specific demographic of person - specifically the 13-19 female group. This is also the same demographic that goes out and buys clothes at Abercrombie & Fitch, the Gap, etc. It is also the same demographic that thinks Ricky Martin and the Backstreet Boys are hot. Now let's see... Somehow, I don't think that we DT listeners fit into anywhere NEAR that demographic. MTV plays music for the pop culture, and we ain't it. Besides, there's still a part of me that wants to be able to keep DT to myself. I play it only for people that I think would like it. These tend to be more mature, more intelligent people, who can appreciate music and its many forms. Though that may sound like a mean comment to some types of people, it's awfully true: I don't know many stupid people who listen to anything other than pop music (or the really stupid ones who listen to nothing but country). And that's all I have to say about that. ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.home.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- "No one wants to fuck with a crazy person. If someone tries to mug you, The best thing you can do is take out your money, and piss on it while mumbling and ranting. Chances are, they'll get scared and leave you alone. Of course, you'll have to wash your money." - Norman Calkin, on urban survival ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:12:11 +0200 From: "Sasha" To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" Subject: Re: Rondo Veneziano Message-ID: <000b01bedd1b$0c0a2700$5fe91dc3@sasa> >From: email_address_removed >Subject: this Rondo Veneziano file... >I tried dl-ing, and when I go to unzip it, I get this message telling me it >failed to extract, b/c >"Error: invalid compressed data to inflate" >I am confused as hell! How do I make this work? >thanks, >Alex I don`t know what is wrong but i zipped it again and uploaded it so you can try again. This time it should work! sorry for the inconvenience. don`t forget to change the extension of file when you unzip it to mp3. "Lifting shadows off a dream Once broken She can turn a drop of water Into an ocean..." John Myung of Dream Theater ["Lifting Shadows Off A Dream"] email_address_removed.hr ICQ UIN - 6098813 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 15:38:45 -0400 From: Brian Larkin To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed Subject: Korea Setlist. Message-ID: This was posted by Mike Portnoy at http://www.mikeportnoy.com today: "... The set list - for those of you who keep track - was: Metropolis Puppies on Acid Just Let Me Breathe Hollow Years Voices Caught in a Web Peruvian Skies Another Day Pull Me Under" He also mentioned that the new album is finished. :) ~Brian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:39:05 -0700 From: "Nick Guadagnoli" To: Subject: mp3 revolution Message-ID: in Jam 5009 this thread continued: ]From: "Josh Calkin" To: Subject: Re: the mp3 revolution Message-ID: <001101bedc92$a1fe8320$8950c6d1@guest3382> >> In my point of view, if I want to listen to a new album, >I will buy >that. >> Its a sign that you like and appreciate the band. Its a >sign of that you >> think the band worth it. You pay for them, because you >think, they >deserve >> it. >> >I agree with this for the most part, but I view mp3s as a >good way to experience new things without buying albums >you may hate. Yeah yeah yeah-- it's great to buy a CD and think that you're doing the artist a service, but the fact of the matter is that you spend $12 to $18 on a CD, and the artist only gets $2.50. Screw that. I'd rather write a check to the artist for $10, instead of paying the record distributors anywhere from $9 to $15.50 in order to give that two fifty to the artist. Now we should ask ourselves-- as one of the largest operative bodies of fans that are "capable" of acting in unison; with a collective average IQ in the triple digits-- how can we make it easier for the artists to get the corporate monkey off their backs? the answer lies in the same direction that MP3 points out for us. --Nik -- ___________________________________ | "you remind me of the babe" | | "what babe?" | | "the babe with the power." | | "what power?" | | "the power of voodoo." | | "who do?" | | "you do." | | "do what?" | | "remind me of the babe!" --Bowie| ----------------------------------- -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:41:21 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: darkest of winters mp3 Message-ID: Can anyone point me in the direction of some MP3s from the Darkest of Winters bootleg? I'm looking for one of the song A Vision, the one with charlie dominici on vocals. thanks ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:44:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Padawan Trent To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: LETS BRING DT TO MTV Message-ID: --- email_address_removed wrote: > i was reading the ytsejam digest and someone brought > up a good point...on MTV > theres a show called TRL (total request live) (for > those who dont know) we > (DT FANS) should all get together and request a > Dream Theater Video to play > on this show...i mean it would be great to get DT on > MTV...maybe it would > create a buzz and the executives over there would > get it into their thick > heads that all this teeny bopper crap is no > good...Dream Theater deserves > more recognition...they are by far the best band out > there right now...and > its sad to see that noone cares about REAL music > anymore...LETS UNITE AND > BRING DT TO MTV!!!!!!!!!! Well, I think it could be done, but I'm not sure if I want that to happen. I mean, it sounds stuck up but I kinda don't want DT to popular, for them to be consumed in huge quantities and to have poser fans at concerts that keep other fans out. At a DT concert now, it's a given that all or most of the people there love the hell out of DT. Like I said, I don't want for them to be trendy b/c that just sucks. That fits Britney Spears, but it wouldn't fit DT, IMHO. === *Trent "Here he comes, he's a man of the land he's Leatherman, smile on his face, axe in his hand." Eddie Vedder, '98 - Metropolis Online - http://members.xoom.com/el_trento _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 06:13:02 +1000 From: Graham Boyle To: "email_address_removed" Subject: Ice Age NOT ! Message-ID: IceAge sound nothing like DT. The sound is very 70's influenced by bands from that era like Kansas, Journey, Styx (ooh the very same bands that influenced DT). The singer does not shout or scream, he's a dead ringer for the former Styx singer Dennis DeYoung, which is even more pleasing for me:) BTW who the hell wants DT clones ? Not me, that's why recent releases by Pain Of Salvation and Clockwork are so refreshing, because they stay well clear of the plague like DT influences. DT are the best so why would you want some pathetic second rate wanna-bee's ? Answers on a postcard please. gaz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 17:40:09 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo To: email_address_removed Subject: Ice Age / DT Message-ID: Zaphod said: > Oh well, someone commented on Ice Age and said it sounded like DT. I > agreed, adding that IMO IA is heavier though. I dunno any Styx, so I can't > compare IA to them, but I do know DT, so what's wrong in me finding > them slightly heavier in some songs to way heavier than DT in others? Even > the very first riff of Perpetual Child is something DT would never write > when it comes to heaviness IMO (notice me writing IMO, so don't flame me > for that). I gotta disagree here. That first riff on Perpetual Child is the heaviest riff on the whole album, the rest are quite mild compared to that (which isn't necessarily a bad thing.... I kinda like how IA is sorta 50% prog-metal, and 50% prog-rock). And even that riff isn't as heavy as DT's crushing riff from the Mirror intro. And as far as whole songs go, none of IA's are as heavy as The Mirror, Lie, 6:00, CiaW, PMU, UaGM, etc. BTW Zaphod.... I'm not trying to be a dick, just giving my opinion. -- - Joe DeAngelo email_address_removed ICQ # 1872723 -------------------------------------------- "Our worlds collide, now in disguise You'll feel the Wrath Divine Tears of woe fall from the sky..." - Symphony X, "The Divine Wings of Tragedy" -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 23:53:13 +0200 From: "Zeusz dA ReAl V0CalISt" To: email_address_removed Subject: Mini Digest (5003) Message-ID: <199908022353130930.0197DDD4@194.143.224.1> Heyya, >From: CyberDuke >Subject: Vlatko Stefanovski - remember that name :) >Yep, true! :) Not everyone can try counting those rhtyhms and survive! >;) Okay, we have something cool over here in Hungary as well.;) >OK guys, what would be this one, I don't now, as I said I'm not >musically educated. The rhythm goes: > >1,2,1,2,3 - 1,2,1,2,3 - 1,2,1,2,3 ... This is a quite normal 5/8. The beat (or stress) is on the first and the third note. So it goes like this ONE two THREE four five ONE two THREE four five .... It is easy. We have something like this here. 1,2,1,2,3,12 1,2,1,2,3,1,2 This is a quite normal 7/8. You can check out some 9/8 when listening to Surrounded. The first part of it is 9/8 (after 'She will slowly yield the light, as I awaken from the longest night' and Guitar 'solo'. Now that part is in 9/8). >From: Jon Parmet >Subject: 5000 luftabloonies, or how I hacked the MFP list into submission....film >"Zeusz dA ReAl V0CalISt" writes: >> Good for you. All we have here is Brooklyn Bounce, Scooter, and stuffs like >> that. And the usual Hungarian pop-crap. >> YAK and BLEAH! > >After Crying :) > >I like Maasfel, Akosh, and Koran Orom (insert a variety of umlauts all >over the right places for each of those three bands :) So it goes like Ma'sfe'l, Akosh (which is named here as A'kos), and Kora'n O:ro:m is not Kora'n O:ro:m, but Korai O:ro:m. Anyway Kora'n has a meaning also.;) But I was just thinking a bit. On a Hungarian list we were talking about the Americans. They said that Americans do not know anything about Europe, they are too proud of being 'American' while in their opinion the American nation as a nation just does not exist. Of course, I was defending you guys with some 'forwarded' e-mails. One of you has written some words in Hungarian replying to my Intro, which really shocked me. Its alright that you guys welcomed me, but this guy just wrote in Hungarian. :-OOO And now, you come up with these - not that popular - Hungarian bands. Thay are not at all popular here in Hungary! And you know about them. Amazing. So I just told them to shut up, because some Americans really _do_ know something about Europe, and they know something about Hungary and Central-East Europe. Okay. Enough from me by now. Bye: ZZZZZ ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5010 **************************