YTSEJAM Digest 5009 Today's Topics: 1) Re: I'm talking and I can't shutup... by "Jason Birzer" 2) Magna Carta / Still Crazy by IRON HENDERSON 3) Money Shot- The Official Derek Sherininan/Planet X Newsgroup by email_address_removed 4) Re: the mp3 revolution by "Zeusz dA ReAl V0CalISt" 5) Ice Age Heavier than DT? by email_address_removed 6) this Rondo Veneziano file... by email_address_removed 7) Re: NO MORE TOP 10 LISTS! by "B.J. Anonymity" 8) Re: the mp3 revolution by "Josh Calkin" 9) Re: Ice Age Heavier than DT? by "Kez" 10) if ya like the one.... by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" 11) NEw eYE ON qUEENSRYCHE by email_address_removed 12) Re: Dream Theater Publicity on MTV | the Gathering clips by email_address_removed 13) Re: Dream Theater Publicity on MTV | the Gathering clips by Padawan Trent 14) Keyboard help needed part 2 by "Simon Long Krogh" 15) Re: Ice Age Heavier than DT? by Peter Geerts 16) Website is up again !!!!!!! by "Coenen, Marcel" 17) DT show in Korea by Kurt Hampton 18) All you Queesnryche fans read this by Kurt Hampton ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:06:24 -0400 From: "Jason Birzer" To: "The Jam" Subject: Re: I'm talking and I can't shutup... Message-ID: <001501bedc48$e21a8f20$069508d1@longshot> >I always wait a few years before jumping on ANY new technology, I didn't buy >my first CD player until 1987, three years after the media was readily available >to the general public; I still never really took the format seriously until some >of the hi-end companies did some serious refining. Always a smart thing to do with technology. There is always time before standards are settled, bugs are worked out, etc. I know first generation DVD players have had their problems. The biggest issue with the hardware now seems to be 16X9 Downconverting. Audio DVD won't be something for years, esp with a technology that has a dominance of CD. >The hard work of those >companies have surfaced in the form of "trickle down technology" within the >consumer players of today... In a striped down, simplified, easy to mass >produce version with little or no attention to maintaining signal purity. (As the >original circuits dictated) To make things worse... They use a butter-metal and >cardboard chassis with some of the most gruesome sounding power supplies >imaginable. Nothing like powering Op Amps and D-to-A converters with >dirty DC. And don't you just love those plastic front panels? As long as the >consumer at large continues to buy this shit, they'll just keep lowering the >standards and raising the profits. If more people would buy mid-fi and hi-end >gear, you'd see a huge change in the marketing strategies of the large >manufacturers. Wouldn't it be nice to see Sony, JVC, Pioneer, etc... competing >to build the BEST, rather than the most economically competitive? To tell you the truth, most people don't care about the quality. It isn't something that they would notice or pay extra for. The companies above make consumer gear for low prices at a quality that is acceptable to the general public. This isn't a bad thing if there are companies that do have the qualities that you seek. So what if these guys make cheap gear? It is the nature of the market to have such stuff. Me, I will probably get some good mid-fi gear eventually. I'm not really a big stickler for sound, but I do want good equipment that will last a long time. For the meantime, tho, my 12 year old JVC receiver will work for me. Lost the display a couple of years ago, but I don't listen to the radio anymore anyways. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Birzer "One likes to believe in the freedom of music "The Longshot" but glittering prizes and endless compromises ICQ#13068879 shatter the illusion of integrity." email_address_removed Rush - The Spirit Of Radio -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 14:33:12 -0400 From: IRON HENDERSON To: email_address_removed Subject: Magna Carta / Still Crazy Message-ID: > d'oh! i forgot to ask when I posted that last message, does anyone know if > Cairo has a website? Or some other place I can find stuff about them like > tour dates, etc? Cairo tourdates? Haha, good one... The only Magna Carta bands I've ever heard going on tour were those that toured before joining up with Magna Carta in some way or other (DT side/post projects, Tempest) or ones that do the occasional one-off show, like Ice Age (who, for whatever reason, interested me a lot less when I saw them at the NEARfest as opposed to Powermad the summer earlier -- maybe it was the competition factor (NEARfest: IQ, Solaris, Spock's Beard, etc.; Powermad: mostly derivitive power metal bands)). Magna Carta seems to be a good label only because an artist can get pretty much anything they want to released released on it. Distribution, advertisement, tour support...poor. If any of you are at all into '70s arena rock (Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, etc.), or even if you aren't, a good movie to watch is "Still Crazy", recently released in the US on videocassette. It's the tale of the '90s revival of the (fake but convincing) '70s band, Strange Fruit. The movie's very entertaining, and, to top it all off, boasts a kickass soundtrack of mock-70s Strange Fruit songs. Brian [NP...Uriah Heep -- The Magician's Birthday] =================================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: email_address_removed ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ WARNING: Do NOT go to the above website!!! =================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:22:24 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Money Shot- The Official Derek Sherininan/Planet X Newsgroup Message-ID: With all the talk of Dereks new band Planet X, along with his first solo effort, Im proud to announce to this group the formation of Money Shot- The Official Derek Sherinian/Planet X Newsgroup. For all those Derek fans out there who want up-to-the moment info about Derek & his band from Derek himself, concert reviews, & merechandise offers, look no further. All you gotta do is follow this URL & follow the simple instructions: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/MoneyShot Hope to see you all on PLANET X! Thank you! Matt Smith List Creator ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 22:53:17 +0200 From: "Zeusz dA ReAl V0CalISt" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: the mp3 revolution Message-ID: <199908012253170020.00483F4F@c3.hu> >From: email_address_removed >Subject: the mp3 revolution > >I was wondering, is anyone other than me concerned with the mp3 revolution? In my point of view, this format is just a part of a revolution. IMHO, it is not going to be a standard format. Some guys are just going to come out with a better format, whose quality is better, moreover, the file gonna be smaller. I think, CD format is now standard. And it will be so for a long time. I must admit, that I don't have that much mp3-s. I have only 2 DT albums + 3-4 DT concert shots, some GNR, Metallica, and RATM. This is all. In my point of view, if I want to listen to a new album, I will buy that. Its a sign that you like and appreciate the band. Its a sign of that you think the band worth it. You pay for them, because you think, they deserve it. ZZZZZ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:42:41 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Ice Age Heavier than DT? Message-ID: Only if you are talking average body weight, man. I like Ice Age and all, but there is no way in hell they are more heavy musically than DT. Sure IA has some "DT-esque" moments, but they also have quite a few facets that remind the listener of Styx... NP: Meshuggah - DEI Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:52:08 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: this Rondo Veneziano file... Message-ID: I tried dl-ing, and when I go to unzip it, I get this message telling me it failed to extract, b/c "Error: invalid compressed data to inflate" I am confused as hell! How do I make this work? thanks, Alex ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 19:22:19 PDT From: "B.J. Anonymity" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: NO MORE TOP 10 LISTS! Message-ID: Christ, Dr. Mosh, you're a very angry, probably depressed, lonely little man aren't you? You have nothing better to do that to piss and moan about everything (on IRC and in this digest). Shut up and work on improving your own shortcomings instead of pointing out everyone else's. Leave Joe alone, let the admin of the list deal with off topic posts, and shut up because no one cares to listen to you. Oh, and keep turning that anger of yours inward: it's real therapeutic.. Dr. Mosh wrote: >Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., Joe DeAngelo thus begged: > > > >I said: > >> > Some inside sources inform me that (as far as heaviness goes) the new > >> > album will actually make Meshuggah sound like Britney Spears. ;) > > > >Andreas said: > >> Trust me, NO ONE can make Meshuggah sound like Britney Spears! >Especially > >> not Dream Theater. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:56:33 -0400 From: "Josh Calkin" To: Subject: Re: the mp3 revolution Message-ID: <001101bedc92$a1fe8320$8950c6d1@guest3382> > In my point of view, if I want to listen to a new album, I will buy that. > Its a sign that you like and appreciate the band. Its a sign of that you > think the band worth it. You pay for them, because you think, they deserve > it. > I agree with this for the most part, but I view mp3s as a good way to experience new things without buying albums you may hate. I for one do not have the resources to buy every album recommended to me by friends, people on the jam, etc. However, if I can hear some mp3s first, I may love what I hear and decide to buy the album after all. If I hate what I hear, I will most likely delete the mp3 anyway, so no harm done ;) Besides, listening to mp3s that have been sent to me over the past year or so, I have "discovered" approximately 10 new bands I ABSOLUTELY LOVE. Of these, I either own a CD by each or plan to own one in the near future. These are all "non-mainstream" bands, and if it were not for mp3 distribution, I would never have heard them at all. IMO, this is the core pro for music distribution via the net (for bands, anyway). It helps them find new audiences. Regards, Josh Calkin: URL: http://members.tripod.com/~DarkHarmony E-Mail: email_address_removed email_address_removed ICQ: 22473371 AOL IM: Mortua IRC: Mortua ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:18:17 -0400 From: "Kez" To: Subject: Re: Ice Age Heavier than DT? Message-ID: <002a01bedc95$aabe7940$message_id_removed> >Only if you are talking average body weight, man. I like Ice Age and all, >but there is no way in hell they are more heavy musically than DT. Sure IA >has some "DT-esque" moments, but they also have quite a few facets that >remind the listener of Styx... >Kevin I was wondering where that 'heavier than DT' thing came from. What the hell is that? Snob nailed it on the head here, and the Styx similarities are sometimes so striking as to be suspicious. I still haven't been able to really get into this Ice Age, but I'm trying. It's gonna have to do until September, when the new Vanden Plas comes out! Can't wait. Woohoo! Kez ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 20:22:18 PDT From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" To: email_address_removed Subject: if ya like the one.... Message-ID: ice age is like DT? ummmm.....maybe.....in the same way that a lot of Magna Carta bands owe something to DT.....it is, after all, all prog metal, right? regarding Dali's Dilemma: >Now I just bought his one, and I guess it could be old news but, >this cd >is actually pretty rocking. I am definitely going to get a >lot more into >Magna's stuff imagine Dali's Dilemma with James Labrie on vocals rather than Matt Bradley (don't get me wrong, i love Bradley's vocals)....and you have an idea of what 2 or 3 mullmuzzler songs sound like....a decent album, that, even if the songs tend to sound like Labrie singing songs by Dali's, Shadow Gallery and Magellan, rather than any separate, coherent entity on its own..... and even a democrat like me can laugh at a song like "beelzebubba," where Labrie gets to yell "Slick Willie" over and over again.... partha _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:26:37 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: NEw eYE ON qUEENSRYCHE Message-ID: Did anyone get the new "Eye on Queensryche" mag yet ? If so, are there tour dates in there ? Care to share ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:43:07 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Dream Theater Publicity on MTV | the Gathering clips Message-ID: >< If you're going to go that far, you may as well rig TRL to play a DT video. Some people did that a few months ago so that TRL would play a New Kids video. Worked too. Hillarious. If any jammer wants to organize this, I'd vote. >< Yes but the easily-influencable, MTV-watching Korn fans largely outnumber the Dream Theater fans. >< Can anyine point me to a website with some MP3s of newer The Gathering songs? All the talk about the newer CDs with a female vocalist has me interested. I'm not a fan of cookie monster vocals but am a big fan of female vocalists. . . >< No, but I can point you to a slew of the Gathering RealAudio clips. http://www.centurymedia.com/framers/in_audio.cfm Jim NP The Gathering: Mandylion Chum: Dead To the World Angra: Holy Land ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:55:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Padawan Trent To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Dream Theater Publicity on MTV | the Gathering clips Message-ID: --- email_address_removed wrote: > > Yes but the easily-influencable, MTV-watching Korn > fans largely outnumber the > Dream Theater fans. Of this I am certain. But there's not a group of KoRn fans in the world that can stand up to every member of the Ytsejam voting for a DT video on TRL. The sudden upswing of votes alone would put them over the top, but to the best of my knowledge no song gets as many votes as there are members of the 'jam. So theoretically, if everyone on this list votes for Buster Poindexter's "Hot Hot Hot" video, TRL will play it. It's a sick world. === *Trent "Here he comes, he's a man of the land he's Leatherman, smile on his face, axe in his hand." Eddie Vedder, '98 - Metropolis Online - http://members.xoom.com/el_trento _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:53:16 +0200 From: "Simon Long Krogh" To: "The Ytsejam Mailinglist" Subject: Keyboard help needed part 2 Message-ID: <000901bedcc4$7868fe00$8ac38e81@flskesteg> Hi, there I just wanted to thank you for the responses on my keyboard question (all three of them!). Anyway...it seems as if some of you haven't noticed the .dk in the end of my e-mail (or don't know what it means). Yes, I do live in Denmark, Europe, which makes keyboards harder to get and more expensive. PS I hope to hear more oppinions on which keyb i ought to buy. Take care now, bye-bye then Simon Long Krogh NP: nothin' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:54:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Peter Geerts To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Ice Age Heavier than DT? Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Kez wrote: > I was wondering where that 'heavier than DT' thing came from. What the hell > is that? Snob nailed it on the head here, and the Styx similarities are Oh well, someone commented on Ice Age and said it sounded like DT. I agreed, adding that IMO IA is heavier though. I dunno any Styx, so I can't compare IA to them, but I do know DT, so what's wrong in me finding them slightly heavier in some songs to way heavier than DT in others? Even the very first riff of Perpetual Child is something DT would never write when it comes to heaviness IMO (notice me writing IMO, so don't flame me for that). Cheers Zaphod |Peter Geerts ICQ:13122363 (weekend) "...And for an encore, Man | |email_address_removed.ac.be proved that black is white | |email_address_removed and got himself killed on | |Political Science Student the next zebra crossing..."| |Leuven University, Belgium (Douglas Adams) | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:14:19 +0200 From: "Coenen, Marcel" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Website is up again !!!!!!! Message-ID: Okay people for your info: The Lemur Voice website is up and running again !!!!!!!! http://www.lemurvoice.com Just take a sneek peek at it and fill the guestbook !! The site has 4 soundsamples of the new CD "Divided" which is available. greetings and see ya at IRC Marcel Marcel Coenen Guitarist Lemur Voice mcoenen@cobweb.nl icq: 22168027 http://www.lemurvoice.com ********************************************************************** This footnote confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:56:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Kurt Hampton To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: DT show in Korea Message-ID: Hey all, I know Mike is probably giong to post this, but the latest news on the old homepage has the setlist and details of the show. Thanks Mike! Kurt NP:Sepultura-Arise (Max, please get back with band) ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** @----'--,--- ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** "I remember Now" "Rodney King, what the hell is that supposed to mean? He's that guy." Airheads ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:58:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Kurt Hampton To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: All you Queesnryche fans read this Message-ID: All the rychers out there, the first single is being released tommorrow. THe song is called BREAKDOWN. Start calling your radio stations! Kurt ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** @----'--,--- ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** "I remember Now" "Rodney King, what the hell is that supposed to mean? He's that guy." Airheads ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5009 **************************