YTSEJAM Digest 5006 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Nine Inch Nails? by Syrinx 2) Re: Planet X cd by "Irene R" 3) Re: the mp3 revolution by Brian Hansen 4) Re: stuff. lots of it. by Andreas Skarin - SDTS 5) 1st extreme album by email_address_removed 6) Dream Theater not being heavy? by Kurt Hampton 7) Re: Extreme's 1st album by email_address_removed 8) New live mp3 shows available! by Adam Pye 9) austin area keys by Jim Shields 10) Chase by Kevin Carmouche 11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 5005 by "email_address_removed.au" 12) Extreme tribute album by Mark Peters 13) Re: Mood issues with Prog vs. Pop (aka Deep Thoughts on DT) by email_address_removed 14) individual songs by "TheCowGod ." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:29:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx To: Sasha Subject: Re: Nine Inch Nails? Message-ID: > hey guys, anyone likes N.I.N.? oooh! me! me! > Are "The Downward Spiral" and "Further Down The Spiral" worth getting? This > guys I did a trade once owes me one more disc and this is what i was > planning on getting: "FDTS" consists of different remixes of songs from TDS, so it makes more sence to get TDS first. - mike. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:22:25 PDT From: "Irene R" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Planet X cd Message-ID: Mike Patrick wrote: >>Ouch. I am VERY surprised there hasn't been more Planet X talk >>since >>the album's release. I was always pretty ambivalent towards >>Derek, but >>this album (and his playing on Platypus, for that matter) >>just blows me >>away. He is really proven that his bag of tricks >>lacks for nothing. The thing is, I DO like Derek Sherinian. I do like his work with Dream Theater very much. I met him twice (Detroit and Chicago) and he was also a very nice and cool guy. So I really can't say anything bad about him. The Planet X cd is incredibly complex. I do hear a lot of prog to it however I just can't get into it for some reason. I'm into prog as far as Dream Theater, Liquid Tension, some Rush and Pink Floyd, etc. Also a lot into the more neo classical type stuff like Symphony X. Shadow Gallery is great and so forth. I've heard some other prog bands people have talked about on here and I just couldn't get into them. I like more melodic stuff rather than just complexity. That's probably why I love Dream Theater. They blend the complexity and melody very well. Hopefully Powermad will expose me to some other cool, prog bands I can get into. :) I just wanted to make sure it didn't sound like I was knocking Derek or anything. Like I said, I do like the guy. I just can't get into the new stuff I've heard. I'll definitely check out any future work of his though. Take care, Irene email_address_removed _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:27:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: Re: the mp3 revolution Message-ID: email_address_removed (Bruce Forst) wrote: > my take on the MP3 revolution is that mp3 is just a temporary measure > that was instigated to try to take advantage of the bandwidth that is > already available. But will probably be ushered out when the true revolution of > digital distribution takes hold. After all, it is a compressed format, > necessitated by the slow speeds of the internet. Compression of the > data that in anyway degrades the quality of the sound, which mp3 does will > be dropped once the ability to send uncompressed, unlossy sound through I agree. I don't know what the big deal is about MP3. I haven't heard anything on MP3 that I would listen to on a real stereo. The quality just isn't there. As far a cd's go, the only thing that would replace them is something cheaper, higher quality or both. I can't imagine either of those happening for a long time. The cd is portable. Everyone has one. Even if you downloaded cd quality sound from the internet, what would you do with it? Burn it to a cd? Obviously there are new technologies available to download/store/transport/play digital music, but you would need new equipment on your home stereo and car stereo. Why go to all the trouble (and cost) when a perfectly usable technology is already in place for storage/transportation/playing digital music? And it's cheap. It would be a huge cost to the entire industry. What WILL change everything is going to be the move back to analog. It will probably happen. All they need to do is develop a recording/storage medium that is truly analog. Something with no signal loss or interference. Possibly laser based, with no physical contacts that will wear or add noise. We'll have to ask Al "the Ytseprogtologist" how close we are to this. I'm sure he'll be buying the first one on the market. ;o) my $.02, BH _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:20:49 +0200 From: Andreas Skarin - SDTS To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: stuff. lots of it. Message-ID: Joe Bissonnette wrote: > The first round of high bandwidth will not lead to non-lossy formats. = Even > on a t1 a 50 meg download (your average song in a non-lossy format) is = a > hefty download. I fear once people really get on the bandwagon, cable = is > going to slow to a crawl. And then there's storage of the beast. One = song > isn't a problem. But download an entire album (hours), and store your > whole music collection on your hard-drive as wav's (500 megs+ per album= )... > not gonna happen. Once we all have 100+ gig hard drives and fiber opti= cs > directly to our machines, then we'll talk about non-lossy sound formats. What's wrong with burning the WAV's on a CD and deleting them from your H= D? Playing songs on the computer sucks compared to playing them on your ster= eo anyway. Cheers! Andreas Skarin Svenska Dream Theater S=E4llskapet http://sdts.cjb.net - mailto:email_address_removed.se ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:00:22 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: 1st extreme album Message-ID: if you want to hear it before you buy it, go to www.cherone.com they have all of extreme albums in real audio ( and the VH stuff with gary if anyone is interested). nik ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:50:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Kurt Hampton To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Dream Theater not being heavy? Message-ID: Is John Wayne American? Dream Theater can NEVER stop playing heavy, it's in their blood. I think the new album will be different, and be a change, but as the riffs go, they will never lose that aggressive feel. FII had it (parts of New Mill, YNM,Per Sk.,BMS,JLMB, that album rocked. True there will never be another Awake, but they already made Awake, why do something twice? Kurt NP:Pantera Live 101 Proof ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** @----'--,--- ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** "I remember Now" "Rodney King, what the hell is that supposed to mean? He's that guy." Airheads ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:08:13 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Extreme's 1st album Message-ID: << I have always been weary of buying the first album, does anyone have it? Mutha seems to rock, but also seems a bit childish.>> I bought it just because I'm a collector. It's not that bad, really. You're right about one thing, it's kinda "childish." The songs have a nice groove to them, so they're not that bad. Talk about a band that's progressed, this is definitely a starting point. Imagine the difference from III Sides moving backward to Pornograffitti...then keep going. That's exactly what it's like. [eriC] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:20:47 -0400 From: Adam Pye To: email_address_removed Subject: New live mp3 shows available! Message-ID: Hey again folks.. The live prog FTP server has been updated again, this time with three new shows. Here's what we've got: Queensryche - 12/6/90 Milan, Italy Rush - 10/25/76 Seattle Rush - 3/24/86 Milwaukee The Queensryche show is something I cleaned up a good bit and am pretty happy with. Biggest problem after the "touch ups" are the slightly over-zealous Italian fans yelling and singing along (badly). :) It features a full Operation: Mindcrime with Pamela Moore as a live guest on Suite Sister Mary (no, it wasn't the regular video synch'd to the music). Excellent performance, pretty good sound (at least a hell of alot better than it started). Check it out... The two Rush shows come compliments of Dan Reynard - thanks go to him. The first is from the 2112 tour and features, believe it or not, a full 2112. By-Tor and Anthem are also inspired, and Geddy's voice sounds like - well, like it's 1976. :) It'll just squeak onto one CD, so go grab it. The second show is a very good quality show from Milwaukee's Mecca Arena (also the venue for another Queensryche show available on this site - shameless plug). :) Check out the site for setlists and details. *** Always remember to do yourself a favor and NEVER buy bootlegs. They're meant to be shared freely among real fans, *** not sold by some hack looking to make a buck off of someone else's work. This is the way, this is the light.... :) FTP anonymously to 24.5.106.175 - 6 users at a time only, so keep trying (but DO NOT flood) if it's busy... Enjoy everyone! Adam PS. I'm looking to do CD trades right now (audio, not mp3 CDs), so if you've got something I don't please get in contact with me. My list is in the .sig.. Please excuse the out of date webpage (broken links, etc, but the tapelist works dammit). :) _________________________________________________ Adam Pye (Alpine) alpine1(-at-)mindspring.com ICQ: 41032734 http://www.mindspring.com/~alpine1 ^^ Above URL for MP3 of the Week and Tapelist w/ Setlists __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:31:27 -0500 From: Jim Shields To: email_address_removed Subject: austin area keys Message-ID: hey, everybody, howzit going? I've decided to start a cover band to make some money with this music thing I've been doing since about fourth grade. If there are any keyboardists in the Austin, TX area who would be willing to play classic rock, 80's and 90's pop, and dance music in a cover band, please give me a holler. I only want us to play two or three times a week, and no originals. Also, unfortunately, NO PROG ROCK, 'cause I want this band to be a party/bar band that people can dance to, and people can't dance to 12/15 :P anyone interested can reply to me privately, or call me at 478-8096 (if you don't know the area code, you're not close enough!) I plan to make this a band that can demand at least a thousand dollars a gig, so we can all take a decent amout of money home. also, bonus points if you're a girl who can sing, 'cause that gives us more versatility. I hope to hear from someone soon... ps- to let you know what kind of money we can make, a drummer I work with sat in with a cover band here in Austin called the Grooves for two weeks, and made $1800.00 just for himself. something to think about... Jim Shields Guitar/Vocals Room 213 www.room213.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Spread before you is your soul / So forever hold the dream within our hearts Through Nature's inflexible grace, I'm learning to live. Dream Theater "Learning to Live" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 01:57:54 -0500 From: Kevin Carmouche To: email_address_removed Subject: Chase Message-ID: YES!!! Chase is incredible...it's leader was trumpeter Bill Chase, a veteran of Woody Herman's big band...Yes they were in the 70's, produced about 4 albums, their first self-titled album, which is fairly easily available on cd, two others were at one time available and i was lucky enough to grab it, they're no longer in print...titled Ennea and Pure Music...great balance of rock, funk, and jazz...the trumpets scream and the organ and guitar feel is excellent...other excellent bands of the same type that you could check out is Lighthouse, Chicago(before Terry Kath killed himself), and Tower of Power...I personally find alot of Chase's and BS&T's stuff pretty damn progressive....anyways, I'm really glad to see mention of Chase, I'd STRONGLY suggest them to anyone... np: Lighthouse-"One Fine Morning" >This posting about some prog band with horns reminds me of some band in >the 70...(?) called "Chase".=20 >Besides Blood Sweat & Tears, I think Chase is a KILLER!=20 >And from what I heard about them is sad; the band had an accident in >plane or someting; so all of members killed in that accident. > >The Chase horn section consists only trumpet, trumpet and trumpet=85 >And what a magnificent sound these trumpets are! >I'm still looking for other release from this group=85=20 > >I don't know anything about Flight though.^_^ > >Just my $ 0.2=85 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 18:56:42 +1000 From: "email_address_removed.au" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 5005 Message-ID: > Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:04:51 +0200 > From: "Sasha" > To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" > Subject: Nine Inch Nails? > Message-ID: <001301bed9c3$2563cc20$15e91dc3@sasa> > > hey guys, anyone likes N.I.N.? > Are "The Downward Spiral" and "Further Down The Spiral" worth getting? This > guys I did a trade once owes me one more disc and this is what i was > planning on getting: I would say definately worth getting. Even if its not something you really dig you will appreciate its creativity. Its very very 1990s. Its also pretty much the best industrial music you will find, unless you're really into Ministry. Very depressing though, so you shouldn't be looking for anything soothing, but I guess if you're a metal fan you will be well aquainted with it. On the mp3 subject I would say two things. The first is that, you've been able to go to the library, borrow a stack of CDs and tape them, and that hasn't really been a big problem. The other thing is that most artists make plenty of money from live tours and merchandise rather than CD sales, so mp3s wouldn't be a huge blow, in fact they may even bring more people to live shows. One problem I have though, is this thing with people just getting one song. Could this mean the end of the album as a whole? Personally I love well thought out albums, with cool pictures on the covers and all that. I wouldn't like bands to start just releasing songs erratically on the internet rather than creating albums that have some sort of concept behind them. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 04:27:25 -0500 From: Mark Peters To: email_address_removed Subject: Extreme tribute album Message-ID: Hello, all. I used to be email_address_removed, but now I'm email_address_removed. Anyway, I just wanted to let any interested parties know that the Extreme tribute album, "Cover Me Blind," is finished, and advance orders are now being accepted. The cost to someone living in the US, including postage, is about ten dollars. The tracklisting is: 1. There Is No God (Hip Today?) 2. No Respect (Slap The Cat) 3. Tell Me Something I Don't Know (Ameba) 4. Cupid's Dead (Feeding The Machine) 5. Peacemaker Die (Hip Today?) 6. Don't Leave Me Alone (Mark Peters) 7. Am I Ever Gonna Change? (Brian Lenk) 8. Who Cares? (Supanort) 9. Cupid's Dead (Spanish version) (Facto Alfa) 10. More Than Words (Christine Emerson) 11. It's A Monster (The Shakes) 12. He Man Woman Hater (O. Lee) 13. When I First Kissed You (Angel Mic) 14. More Than Words (Enjoy Your Problems) 15. Never Been Funked/Touch You (Christine Emerson) 16. Out Of Time (original tribute song) (Hope) More info can be found at http://come.to/covermeblind Take care, everyone, Mark Peters email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 06:04:19 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Mood issues with Prog vs. Pop (aka Deep Thoughts on DT) Message-ID: Mark Philpot" might be right. I mean Ms. Spears is s= inging "hit me baby, one more time", and I'm positive that's not the same= topic which you find in Punch n' Judy by Marillion. But Anna Lee is prob= arbly gonna fit Ms. Spears if she dosen't grow up any time soon.=20 If you compare Space-Dye Vest and by Backstreet Boys, you will = find that BB sings about belive and hope for the girl to come back. KevMo= realised that she wouldn't, and did what any sane man would do, look at = magasines, allthough any sane man wouldn't look at clothing magazines . .= .=20 Point beeing, the pop industry figured out that booble-gum sells, and men= looking thru magazines don't.=20 It dosn't hurt if the artists are very good looking, and has a styling ai= d. And that is way Derek will pop up in lifestyle magazines. :-] J=F8rgen Bakken + 47 62 59 50 80=20 + 47 91 74 77 98=20 http://www.angelfire.com/az/jazz4 r+d>s TW 0/0/ FD - 0 DSoT 2 1 <21jul98> PFCode "There's always one more mask" The Silent Man - John Petrucci - Awake -1994 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email from AltaVista at http://altavista.iname.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:48:26 AST From: "TheCowGod ." To: email_address_removed Subject: individual songs Message-ID: >with cool pictures on the covers and all that. I wouldn't like bands to >start just >releasing songs erratically on the internet rather than creating albums >that have >some sort of concept behind them. It's started. http://www.emusic.com/. You can download individual mp3s from different bands for $0.99 each. This could be beneficial, if people sold entire albums for like $5 or something. And then you don't have to download all the mp3s if you dont want to, but don't make them individually available. That would be great, I think. And I'm sure the record industry sees it the same way - hell, would they rather get $0.99 per person for a one hit wonder, or $5 per person, and possibly only deliver that one mp3 anyways? moo. *** END OF TRANSMISSION *** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 5006 **************************