YTSEJAM Digest 4971 Today's Topics: 1) various ramblings by "Dave Peterson" 2) Staff by Michael Zachariadis 3) NEW NIN!!! by email_address_removed 4) minidick by "Raitz" 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4970 (sony war) by Brian Lundy 6) a few things worth commenting about by email_address_removed (Bruce Forst) 7) Maiden show in Montreal! (short) by "Lauzon, Gary: IHAB" 8) Re: Minidisc compression by email_address_removed 9) My clueless (albeit funny) friends... by "Patrick, Michael" 10) Re: Minidisc by Martin Nyman 11) re:JM by "Fran Brennan" 12) DT live dat announce (from UACM) by O-P Komonen 13) Re: DT live dat announce (from UACM) by email_address_removed 14) Internet Radio by email_address_removed 15) Re: CDNow to merge with Columbia House by email_address_removed 16) Toad's Place in CT DT Unplugged show question by email_address_removed 17) Re: Toad's Place in CT DT Unplugged show question by "Carlos A. Alfaro" 18) Re: Toad's Place in CT DT Unplugged show question by trent 19) Re: Toad's Place in CT DT Unplugged show question by Brad Plumb 20) RE: various ramblings by "Eddy Huism@n" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:49:59 PDT From: "Dave Peterson" To: email_address_removed Subject: various ramblings Message-ID: > I just bought Spocks Beard and Fates Warning and these were >the first >non-DT LTE or Plat related prog things I have ever bought, >but >unfortunately I do not like them. Tell me people, should I keep >them and >let it grow on me? Or should I return em? Why do you think we would know better than you? You've heard that we like the bands. It's up to you to decide if we have good taste. We already know that we do. ;) My recommendation: Check out Symphony X (Anything but their self-titled) >Everybody's problem is that Sony is the top-selling brand, and so >many >people think they're hot shit if they rage against the top->selling >whatever... I rage against the top-selling brand (Sony) because I've invested in two discmans in the last year and a half and they've both turned out to be crap. No politics here at all - simply disgust. > Im not a sound expert here, but logic dictates that a mini >disc >WONT sound the same , much less better than a cd, since its a >much >smaller disc, in order to fit the same ammount of music on it, >it means >MORE compression, and more compression means degraded >sound. Anyone else >care to comment on this, perhaps mr progtologist? Well according to your logic, then an old LP would win grand-champion of sound reproduction, wouldn't it? I mean, they're bigger, aren't they? I haven't seen a record-player at any of the recent audiophile conventions lately. Wonder why? All kidding aside, my point is that size has NOTHING to do with performance. I think the ladies on the list can attest to that one, right? ;) If mini-disc has better technology, then it very well might deliver better sound. - Dr. Teeth (rockin' in the sack) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:22:28 +0300 From: Michael Zachariadis To: Ytsejam List Subject: Staff Message-ID: Hi jammers If any European jammer is interested I have a M*******A poster to give away (it's from their concert here in Greece last month). Just drop an e-mail and I'll send it to you. Also I have two DT promos to trade: "Lie" and "The Silent Man". Monday was the first day of the RockWave Festival here, featuring Sodom, Mercyful Fate and Manowar. Well Sodom was amazing, it was quite some time since the last Thrash band was here and I really enjoyed it. Mercyful Fate was incredible, I don't know what more to say, they were simply the kings of the night. On the other hand Manowar (the supposedly headliners) proved how much posers they really are. A real let down from a once great band. Even Immortal, who played that night too were better. Any feedback from the first Maiden show?????? Anyone?????? later Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 03:28:14 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: NEW NIN!!! Message-ID: Has anyone heard the two new NIN songs!!!?!!! They kick large amounts of ass! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:39:08 +0300 From: "Raitz" To: email_address_removed Subject: minidick Message-ID: ]From: Kevin Carmouche > Minidisc sounds just as good as CD..it's recorded at 44 khz, just as a > CD..while it's not at the 48 khz that DAT is at, it is still excellent for > anything, even mastering...if there IS any negligable difference in sound > between Minidisc and CD, I have not been able to hear it.... The sound on MiniDisc is encoded with the ATRAC algorithm (for the lack of a better comparison, think MPEG Layer 3, although ATRAC - can't remember which incarnation - is a better algorithm these days). The method is lossy, thus it can not, in both theory and real life, sound as good as non- compressed music. Therefore, "excellent" is not by any stretch the word I'd recommend using. "Tolerable" would be more like it, and even then just for radio or home use. Or maybe demoing. And if you can't hear the difference, either you really don't have a decent enough set of speakers, or decent enough pair of ears. :-) Of course, MiniDisc sounds better than MP3, whatever the compression rate, and that's because its DAC is worlds better than those on consumer soundcards. Do not click here to continue. Raitz Be reasonable -- demand the impossible! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:56:27 -0700 From: Brian Lundy To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4970 (sony war) Message-ID: Hi all, I worked in an Electronics store for about 5 years, just left about a year ago, here's the thing with Sony and the Minidiscs. Sony sends us to training every year on the new stuff they have, and how to sell it. 1.) Minidiscs are definately compressed. For starters, all frequencies below 20 hz, and above 20,000 hz, are dumped. Sony contends that since the human ear cannot recognize frequencies in those ranges, sound quality is not affected. The truth is though, however, that those frequencies DO affect how the listener hears the music that is within the 20-20,000 range. So according to Sony, there is no difference between the sound of a MD or CD. ----NOW--- That having been said, Sony are full of it. If because of your ear, or your equiptment, or whatever, you cannot hear a difference, then fine. But not all MD players sound the same. We heard a head to head comparison and the only MD that the Sony beat out was the Sharp. (Ugh!) The Kenwood even beat sony. (Kenwood car stuff is pretty damn good for the money, but stay away from their home audio). The clear and definate winner, out of the 4 we heard, was the Denon. No real surprise there. And no, we didn't know which we were listening to until the end. I agree with someone's statement that consumer level Sony video is pretty good. Just bought a 35" trinitron and my DVD's are almost blinding on it. As far as portable Cd players go. Panasonic is the only way to go. They have a model that has a 40 second shock protector, you have to thrown out of a moving vehicle to get this thing to skip. And they rarely, if ever get returned. Sony portable audio is a sad, sad joke. Sony admits (to us, anyway), that most of it is actually AIWA. (Which is shit). To the few out there who said that their DSP2's and such still work, great, more power to you, but you're the exception, not the rule. We nickmaned the Sony portable cd players, "boomarangs", because as soon as you send one out the door, it will inevitably come right back. Sony audio just isn't what it used to be, and it was never really that great for starters. Styles Np: Def Leppard: Euphoria (yeah, you heard me!) :) Http://brian.lundy.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:57:27 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Bruce Forst) To: email_address_removed Subject: a few things worth commenting about Message-ID: >Minidisc sounds just as good as CD..it's recorded at 44 khz, just as a >CD..while it's not at the 48 khz that DAT is at, it is still excellent for >anything, even mastering...if there IS any negligable difference in sound >between Minidisc and CD, I have not been able to hear it.... Minidisc, for all you people that are doing the home recording thing without the aid of one of the all in one digital rolands is a nice addition to a cassette multitrack situation. Using minidisc as a bounce source is MUCH nicer than trying to use either internal track bouncing or external cassette bouncing. With a cheap 4track and a minidisc player you have the capabilities to do a pretty nice sounding full band recording with little sound loss between generations and the final minidisc master. Minidisc is what it was always intended to be: a replacement for cassette tape. It improves on the quality and retains and even adds to the versitility of tape > And also, please don't tell me to go read about it, I don't >believe everything I read, and neither should you. I may be wrong in what >I say or believe, but it makes me happy...just as it makes many of you >happy to bad-mouth big corporate giants...:) I'm one of those people that like to "bad mouth big corporate giants" because I think they deserve it frankly. At least they do if they don't live up to expectation.. many large corporations let their drive towards higher stock prices and generating profits get in the way of any kind of "responsible" decision making. When they make a good decision that helps people get the things they need we should support them but when they make it more difficult for us to live solely for the reason to make more money then we have a responsibilty to speak up about it. Thats the mechanism in this country, if we don't excersize our rights as consumer to dictate what we want and need through our purchasing decisions we have no reason to complain about things we dont like. as an example: Sony and Time Warner jointly own Columbia House. Columbia House and CDnow have merged. which means: (these are only possibilities...) -Cdnow which used to be an independent retailer of music online will become a marketing and retailing branch of Sony (a record label, manufacturer of consumer electronics) and Time Warner (cable TV networks, Magazines, and the WB television network) -Sony, as a record label, will be able to use their foothold in online distribution to further increase their leverage against bands that wish to sign to their label. They will also, no doubt cause cdnow to offer their products at discount rates while increasing the costs of competitors products, MAYBE even pressing cdnow to reduce its catalog of available material in an attempt to "streamline" or to "reach our core audience". Ideally they want us to focus on their products and not get distracted by other choices. -Sony, as a distributor, might even act to raise internet pricing to match their other retail relationships. Until now CDNOW (as an independent) has acted to undercut the large retailers that Sony may have contracts with. Under contract they may have to enforce "price parity" to please real world retailers. this may not happen... we'll see. - Time warner, as a media company, will work to increase the dominance of CDNOW as the first choice in online retailing of music. Preferably they will act to reduce the competition and options that people have for purchasing music online. This can only be counteracted by another large conglomerate entering the game and acting in balance. If cdnow and co. get too much of a lead the incentive for other corporations to compete will drop. Quote: For the AP article this inforamtion in from. "The companies hope that having its own stock will enable the venture to ride the Internet wave on finacial markets, enabling it to use the shares to pay for future acquisitions and to draw top management talent with stock options" my translation: "We're jumping on the internet because there's alot of money to be made there and we can use that money to further expand and consolidate our influence. We're going to use our media, distribution and label power to drive stock prices high so that we can cash in on options and make out like bandits" ---- the question for us is this: is it going to make getting the music we want easier and more convenient? Is OFB going to suffer for this, will labels like Metal Blade and Magna Carta benifit from increased distributing options or will they be shut out? Who knows... what I want to say though is that we control the way things go. All this "internet money" comes from us, the consumer. We made Cdnow, we can break it if we don't think that its serving our needs anymore. But that means making informed decisions, and sometimes that information sounds like bad-mouthing. Its a necessary part of the system. or so I think.... I could be all wet here.. bruce email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:36:42 -0400 From: "Lauzon, Gary: IHAB" To: "'DT'" Subject: Maiden show in Montreal! (short) Message-ID: Yesterday I was lucky enough to catch the kickoff of the Maiden tour. I have never seen these guys before but let me tell you they blew me away! It has to be one of the BEST concerts I have ever seen. I don't want to spoil too much about what songs they played but one thing's for sure.. GO BUY YOUR TICKET if you didn't already. From the surprising intro to the 3 song encore! this show has got it all. If someone would like more info on this show, or has questions, email me directly! Gary aka Mr. ProG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:53:27 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Minidisc compression Message-ID: << My understanding of how they get so much music on a minidisk -- and I could be mistaken -- is to "throw away" the very high and very low frequencies that the typical listener will not notice >> I think this is pretty close, but it is MY understanding that they take out the sounds/frequencies in a particular passage that are determined to be not humanly audible (Because of their layering onto other sounds or something like that). Why leave the fat in if you you can save space by cutting it out, especially when you wont notice the difference? This fat-cutting job is done by that one special processor in Sony's MD units. Let's hope Al can set us straight tho, cuz obviously I'm not very sure about this. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:58:08 -0400 From: "Patrick, Michael" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: My clueless (albeit funny) friends... Message-ID: A coworker of mine saw me LTE2 case laying on my desk and said, 'Ohmigod. You have an album by G. Gordon Liddy!' Think about it...do you ever see Liddy and Tony Levin in the same room together? Hmm... Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:58:40 +0200 From: Martin Nyman To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Minidisc Message-ID: Chris Oates wrote: >Minidiscs use compression to store a full CD's worth of audio on >it. And it's a lossy compression, so by definition Minidiscs sound worse >than CDs. The main question is: "Can you tell the difference?" I definitely can't.. I use a Sony MZ R50 (portable) and I'm very happy with it. I don't hear any difference in soundquality compared with a CD. And I don't see why an mp3-player should be better either, I record mp3s right off the computer to the MD with excellent quality. And it never skips either.. the manual says that it has 40 seconds of "shaking-memory". I actually tried shaking it for about a minute but couldn't hear any skips.... Martin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:06:58 PDT From: "Fran Brennan" To: email_address_removed Subject: re:JM Message-ID: Holy shit - he spoke! We get a good 2 seconds worth... :) :) pick up "progressive bass concepts".. there's a good 2 hours worth atleast.. I saw him whisper something in James's ear once while Mike & John were wankin' on "Paradigm" Fran "Banjoman" Brennan np: Shakti: a handful of beauty _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:10:48 +0300 From: O-P Komonen To: email_address_removed Subject: DT live dat announce (from UACM) Message-ID: I hope I'm not posting somehting that's already been posted.... >Dream Theater Live date announcement! >Added on 07-14-1999 > >Dream Theater will be making their first live appearance with the new "21st >Century Line-up" at the Triport '99 Rock Festival in Seoul, Korea as special >guests to Deep Purple on Saturday July 31, 1999. I remember reading a Jordan Rudess interview a while back where he said something about this.... now lets arrange an Ytsecon there :) op777 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:18:01 GMT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT live dat announce (from UACM) Message-ID: Mannnnn we need to get this recorded!! :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:46:05 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Internet Radio Message-ID: Hey guys. *Other* than Ytsejam Radio, could you tell me some other prog internet radio stations? I found one but forgot to bookmark it and it looked decent :-( Oh well. Maybe you guys know of it. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:08:44 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: CDNow to merge with Columbia House Message-ID: Does this mean that Columbia House will have a bigger catalogue? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:23:25 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Toad's Place in CT DT Unplugged show question Message-ID: Hey, who saw DT's unplugged show at Toad's Place this past winter? My question is, remember that one blues type cover they did where James sang his ass off way up high? What is the song/who's it by? Thanks, Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:47:26 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" To: Subject: Re: Toad's Place in CT DT Unplugged show question Message-ID: <000a01bece29$5195b7e0$message_id_removed> It mustve been a led zep cover... i forget the name -----Original Message----- ]From: email_address_removed To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 2:33 PM Subject: Toad's Place in CT DT Unplugged show question > > Hey, who saw DT's unplugged show at Toad's Place this past winter? >My question is, remember that one blues type cover they did where James sang >his ass off way up high? What is the song/who's it by? > >Thanks, >Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:05:21 -0700 (PDT) From: trent To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Toad's Place in CT DT Unplugged show question Message-ID: --- email_address_removed wrote: > > Hey, who saw DT's unplugged show at Toad's Place > this past winter? > My question is, remember that one blues type cover > they did where James sang > his ass off way up high? What is the song/who's it > by? > > Thanks, > Rob I may be wrong, but I think you're talking about "Since I've Been Loving You", which was originally performed by Led Zeppelin. It's a great blues song, James really gets into it. I only have this one song from the show, but if the rest of the songs were performed with the same energy, I'm sure it was a great show. Laterz. === *Trent -- check out my mp3s -- http://members.xoom.com/el_trento AIM- PageRiff ICQ- #39449102 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:13:31 -0500 From: Brad Plumb To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Toad's Place in CT DT Unplugged show question Message-ID: At 11:36 AM 7/14/99 -0700, you wrote: > > Hey, who saw DT's unplugged show at Toad's Place this past winter? >My question is, remember that one blues type cover they did where James sang >his ass off way up high? What is the song/who's it by? Since I've Been Lovin' You. Led Zep. I wasn't there but I've heard the show (or at least that number) at LITS. Palpatine Co Founder of NARF: The North Houston Anime Resistance Force, and Historian of Anime-no-kai "Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "Sorry Hank, I can't give you a reading. Your future's all used up." -Touch of Evil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:32:40 +0200 From: "Eddy Huism@n" To: Subject: RE: various ramblings Message-ID: > My recommendation: Check out Symphony X (Anything but their self-titled) I was actually thinking about buying this one as I own the other 3 CD's. What's wrong with the self titled CD? Eddy ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4971 **************************