YTSEJAM Digest 4970 Today's Topics: 1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4969 by email_address_removed 2) MEtal Edge Reviews on DT members, Slayer review by Kurt Hampton 3) RE: mini-disc compression by "Herbert, Jason" 4) MiniDisc by Chris Oates 5) Re: Dennis DeYoung, etc. . . by Tom Tubbiola 6) Larry Gowan by "Olivier Ouellet" 7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4968 by Rogerio Brito 8) no holds barred radio, and prog on live365 by Damon Fibraio 9) Styx by "Rob Reid" 10) JM by "Isaac Trumbo" 11) jethro blues & moody tull by "Isaac Trumbo" 12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4969 by Kevin Carmouche 13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4969 by "TheCowGod" 14) Re: Dennis DeYoung eaten by a pack of wild boars! World glad by Ryan Park 15) phony sony by Joshua Rasiel 16) mp3 trading anyone? by Ben 17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4968 by "Death Lord" 18) Lines in the Sand updated! by Nick Bogovich 19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4968 by "sK@RRe" 20) Re: phony sony by trent ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:50:59 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4969 Message-ID: Hey... Did you guys know that Chuck Shuldiner (Death) has a brain tumor? Isnt that awful? He's seriously one of the most amazing guitarists/composers in the metal/rock world that Ive heard. I really hope he pulls through, the last Death album (The Sound of Perseverence) was awesome! Also, speaking of concept albums, Fear Factory's "Obsolete" is a good example too. If you follow the story its actually pretty cool. Anyways, just some thoughts.... -Chris NP: Meshuggah: Destroy/Erase/Improve ClockWork: Surface Tension ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 13:55:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Kurt Hampton To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: MEtal Edge Reviews on DT members, Slayer review Message-ID: Hey all, It's been a while since I posted, so here is what I found: Metal Edge in their reviews section had long reviews of Chroma Key, LTE2, and Planet X, all getting pretty good reviews. I think it is cool that they actually took a full page for that. I saw Slayer last night. The first band Hed PE or something was a direct rip off of Korn, right down to the lead singer's hair, and the way the guitarist played. System of A Down was horrible. Their lyrics were similar to old GC about Space, but they all looked like they were heroin addicts. The guitar player kept humping his guitar throughout the show. Sick stuff. Anyway finally Slayer came out. I think the set list was something like this: Bitter Peace Death's head War Ensemble Postmortem (killer live) Evil something? Raining Blood (Oh my god that was meta Hell Awaits Stain of Mind In the Name of God Scrum Dead Skin Mask Seasons in the Abyss Mandatory Suicide Angel of Death (FAAAASTTT) Encore: South of Heaven Chemical Warfare All in all an excellent show, with Tom busting a string and playing Raining Blood with three strings. Also what was cool, during a drum roll in Seasons, The drummer lost a stick, and just hit the double bass to grab another. Kurt ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** @----'--,--- ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** "I remember Now" "Rodney King, what the hell is that supposed to mean? He's that guy." Airheads ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:04:35 -0400 From: "Herbert, Jason" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: RE: mini-disc compression Message-ID: <6D70903196D4D11190680008C728A61D016C2156@HQEXS01> >Carlos Alfaro wrote: > > I'm not a sound expert here, but logic dictates that a mini disc WONT sound >the same , much less better than a CD, since its a much smaller disc, in order to >fit the same amount of music on it, it means MORE compression, and more compression >means degraded sound. Anyone else care to comment on this, perhaps mr progtologist? Compression does not necessarily equal sound degradation, but your instincts are on the right track. My understanding of how they get so much music on a minidisk -- and I could be mistaken -- is to "throw away" the very high and very low frequencies that the typical listener will not notice. I'm not a minidisk expert, but, depending on what kind of equipment you're playing it on, you shouldn't notice much of a difference. That having been said, minidisk IS NOT CD-quality, let alone better; and I suspect that the better your equipment and room set-up, the more you would notice the medium's short-comings. --Zircon the Blue AKA Jason ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:03:17 -0700 From: Chris Oates To: email_address_removed Subject: MiniDisc Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990713120317.00c66140@objypop> I don't know the details either, but a MiniDisc will not hold as much as a CD. The Data Minidiscs seem to be about 140 to 150 MB, whereas a CD stores 650 MB. Minidiscs use compression to store a full CD's worth of audio on it. And it's a lossy compression, so by definition Minidiscs sound worse than CDs. The main question is: "Can you tell the difference?" ~Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:09:19 -0700 From: Tom Tubbiola To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Dennis DeYoung, etc. . . Message-ID: I just heard the new Styx CD (actually only the first four tracks) and I think it kind of sucks. There was no energy at all in the tunes I heard. Well, maybe it will grow on me. . . Tom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:23:28 -0400 From: "Olivier Ouellet" To: Subject: Larry Gowan Message-ID: <01becd65$2f5a7180$message_id_removed.ca> Larry Gowan is actually pretty good, and when he opened for Styx in Montreal and Quebec City (just him and a piano) he had standing ovations throughout the whole concerts. Dennis DeYoung actually pushed him back onstage. However, only his second album did really well, and that was in 1985. Tony Levin does play bass on most of his albums, and Jon Anderson did some back-up vocals on the third one. So, is he a good replacement for Dennis DeYoung? Absolutely. But is Styx the same band without DDY? I don't think so. Olio ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 13:17:22 -0300 From: Rogerio Brito To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4968 Message-ID: On Jul 13 1999, email_address_removed.au wrote: [On Minidiscs] > The sound quality is actually just as good as CDs, if not better. Thank you very much for putting yourself in my kill list. []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ (still an) Ugrad. Comp. Science student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Nectar homepage: http://www.linux.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/opeth/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:30:49 -0400 From: Damon Fibraio To: email_address_removed Subject: no holds barred radio, and prog on live365 Message-ID: I want to start out by saying that this is a partial plug, partial informative post. If you have winamp, or can get a hold of it, there are a few prog rock channels on www.live365.com or yp.shoutcast.com, depending on where you go. I had to hunt them down, but they are clearly there, depending on when they boradcast. One specifically mentioned Dream Theater in the title of the show. Again, you won't see them if they aren't on the air, but if they are on, listen to them, they are pretty cool. Secondly, I am starting up a comedy show on live365.com. It is called no holds barred radio. We probably won't be doing much prog, (I will be doing a prog rock show soon), but it is a comedy show and if you want to laugh, tune in. go to http://sf.live365.com, click on the comedy genre and look for no holds barred radio. We will be broadcasting every tuesday at around 7:30 p.m. eastern time through 11:00. So, for any prog rock, look at sf.live365.com. And tune into my show, damnit. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:44:57 PDT From: "Rob Reid" To: email_address_removed Subject: Styx Message-ID: Hi, I thought I'd come out of lurk mode for this. Trevor wrote; > I just found out that Dennis DeYoung is sick and some F*UCKIN CANADIAN is replacing him on the STYX tour. His name is Lawrence Gowan. I've never heard of him, but maybe he's not too bad because Tony Levin plays bass on most of his cds >> He's awful. Not a good choice at all. He had some hits in the 80's when he used to be called Larry. Now he's Lawrence. My friend and I actually met him at a hockey game in Calgary one time and he was so obnoxious to us that we ended up pissing him off by calling him Larry all night. His style doesn't fit with Styx at all. Neil wrote; >> A question for Canadian jammers. Does anybody know if the band Moist are still around/recording? >> I saw them on the weekend at a festival called Edgefest but I really don't have any new info on them. They were awesome. Also at Edgefest was Edwin (from I Mother Earth) which was a highlight for me. Although, second best was maybe Courteney Love taking her shirt off. Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:11:58 GMT From: "Isaac Trumbo" To: email_address_removed Subject: JM Message-ID: >Holy shit - he spoke! We get a good 2 seconds worth... :) :) pick up "progressive bass concepts".. there's a good 2 hours worth at least.. inferno NP: the mission u.k. - carved in sand _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:19:15 GMT From: "Isaac Trumbo" To: email_address_removed Subject: jethro blues & moody tull Message-ID: hey .. i'm not sure why but i've still yet to pick up a jethro tull or moody blues cd.. my floyd, rush, genesis, crimson, zappa cd consumption is at an alltime high but for some reason never picked up a disk from these two bands.. anyways.. i need some album reviews.. thanx.. inferno NP: automatic man - automatic man _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:36:38 -0500 From: Kevin Carmouche To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4969 Message-ID: > Im not a sound expert here, but logic dictates that a mini disc WONT >sound >the same , much less better than a cd, since its a much smaller disc, in >order to >fit the same ammount of music on it, it means MORE compression, and more >compression >means degraded sound. Anyone else care to comment on this, perhaps mr >progtologist? Minidisc sounds just as good as CD..it's recorded at 44 khz, just as a CD..while it's not at the 48 khz that DAT is at, it is still excellent for anything, even mastering...if there IS any negligable difference in sound between Minidisc and CD, I have not been able to hear it.... >It's not a bandwagon. Look at quality reports. Whether you're talking about >audio or video, the fact is that Sony does not hold up as well as most of the >other consumer brands. Go read about it. I go by experience, and my experience with Sony has been generally a good one, while they might not be the best in audio(I prefer Yamaha personally) and Video(I prefer Mitsubishi), they usually have a product that I haven't had any problems with. As for what I what people say...well, I know someone who works at an electronics store(and no, he's not one of these 20-year old punks that know nothing, he researches and is very well-versed in electronics), and he usually will recommend Sony as one of the top 3 or 5 brands to buy. I'll believe him before I believe any generic Consumer Report. And also, please don't tell me to go read about it, I don't believe everything I read, and neither should you. I may be wrong in what I say or believe, but it makes me happy...just as it makes many of you happy to bad-mouth big corporate giants...:) np: Genesis-Trespass ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:45:27 -0300 From: "TheCowGod" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4969 Message-ID: <00ca01becd79$1028d180$30c95bd1@viper> ]From: Kevin Carmouche Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4969 >Minidisc sounds just as good as CD..it's recorded at 44 khz, just as a >CD..while it's not at the 48 khz that DAT is at, it is still excellent for 44 khz is simply the resolution; how many samples per second are recorded. if you take a beautiful, detailed image at 1600x1200 pixels, and save it as a jpeg with a quality of 1, it will still look like shit even though it has just as much resolution as if you had saved it as a BMP. but it will be a lot smaller. moo. -- Dan McCormack (email_address_removed) Computer Engineer, WSBF-FM Clemson 88.1 http://wsbf.clemson.edu/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:01:31 -0500 From: Ryan Park To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Dennis DeYoung eaten by a pack of wild boars! World glad Message-ID: At 11:41 AM 7/13/99 -0700, Korg Ecksthrey wrote: > >some F*UCKIN CANADIAN is replacing him on the STYX tour. > >His name is Lawrence Gowan. I've never heard of him, > >Hahaha. I wish I could hear more of Gowan than I have. The only song of >his I've heard is the song "The Dragon" from the Navy Seals soundtrack. >Fuckin' killer tune. Kind of in a Styx vein, but kind of a dark song. Styx >without DDY is like a hamburger without hamburger, imo, though. Maybe Gowan >will be a tasty, yet sort of flaky soybean replacement. :) Apparently, Gowan is EXTREMELY good: at least as good of a singer as Dennis DeYoung was, a better keyboardist, and a much better "showman." I read a bunch of reviews this afternoon from long-time Styx fans, and they were ALL impressed by Gowan (though they all loved Dennis DeYoung). I'm going to see Styx this Sunday in Davenport, Iowa, and I'll try to post a quick review of the concert and Mr. Gowan himself. Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:50:07 -0400 From: Joshua Rasiel To: email_address_removed Subject: phony sony Message-ID: >It's not a bandwagon. Look at quality reports. Whether you're talking about >audio or video, the fact is that Sony does not hold up as well as most of the >other consumer brands. Go read about it. I never read any reports. I just know my sony minibox, sony phone, and TWO identical walkmans both crapped out on me. This has been on the jam before, but I don't care, because if I can convince just one person to - for god's sake - not buy sony, then I'll be slightly less bitter. Am I just rough w/my equipment? Doesn't matter, jerky! I've had a magnavox TV since '95 that's survived countless moves, and a panasonic phone, that I drop on a monthly basis, that's as good as new! I've heard many, many similar stories from friends. and aside from all that, Sony is a fucking BITCH for making propietary ac adapter plugs. I'd like to crazy-glue a couple dozen Sony Miniplugs together and do something really illegal to the cavities of the guy who thought them up. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 22:44:15 -0700 From: Ben To: email_address_removed Subject: mp3 trading anyone? Message-ID: Here is my list of mp3/vqf files from Dream Theater. Email me privately with your list if you're interested in trading with me. My iname account doesn't always work... please reply to email_address_removed Name Size CDr Format (meg) & bitrate ======================================================================= Studio Records ======================================================================= Dream Theater - A Change of Seasons 39.5 53 vqf/192 Dream Theater - Awake 46.3 53 vqf/192 Dream Theater - Images and Words 39.1 53 vqf/192 Dream Theater - Once in a Livetime 176.0 41 mp3/160 Dream theater - Falling Into Infinity 71.4 37 mp3/128 Dream Theater - When Dream And Today Unite 65.2 41 mp3/160 Liquid Tension Experiment 86.7 55 mp3/160 Liquid Tension Experiment 2 101 55 mp3/192 ======================================================================= Bootlegs ======================================================================= Dream Theater - Bonus Tracks 13.8 52 mp3/128 Dream Theater - Hollow Years 18.4 52 mp3/128 Dream Theater - InstruMENTAL 43.5 53 mp3/128 Dream Theater - Live at Sundance 80.6 53 mp3/128 Dream Theater - Live at the Casino Ballroom 98.4 52 mp3/128 Dream Theater - Live at the Marquee 42.9 52 mp3/128 Dream Theater - Lost in the Sky 101 52 mp3/128 Dream Theater - LTE Live at NAMM 42.6 52 mp3/128 Dream Theater - NAMM 37.5 53 mp3/128 Dream Theater - Subconscious 6.3 52 mp3/128 Dream Theater - Live at Waldrock Festival 71.1 55 mp3/128 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:41:19 -0400 From: "Death Lord" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4968 Message-ID: <005f01becdb3$1e4f34e0$message_id_removed> Matt Smith pondered: > Anyone else wondering why the boys are intentionally being so hush-hush > about the new record? Maybe it'll end up being a concept album or > something :) I know Mike has said in the past he'd like to do one, and he > recently said this is the album he's always wanted DT to release... What if the new album IS a concept album....based on Metropolis!(?) Maybe the whole disc is Metropolis part 2. That would be kinda wierd though, to name an album "Metropolis part 2". But I wouldn't complain. Death Lord ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 01:07:17 -0400 From: Nick Bogovich To: email_address_removed Subject: Lines in the Sand updated! Message-ID: Hey everyone, I have added a _ton_ of MP3s for you all to download at Lines in the Sand! Make sure you stop by and check them out! There are some things you definitely don't want to pass up here... -Bogie Dream Theater - Lines in the Sand http://dreamtheater.mit.edu/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:26:52 +0200 From: "sK@RRe" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4968 Message-ID: "email_address_removed.au" wrote: > The sound quality is actually just as good as CDs, if not better. Hmmm, let me think....NO! -- sK@RRe  mailto:email_address_removed.se  http://hem.fyristorg.com/dt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:31:48 -0700 (PDT) From: trent To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: phony sony Message-ID: --- Joshua Rasiel wrote: > > I never read any reports. I just know my sony > minibox, sony phone, and > TWO identical walkmans both crapped out on me. This > has been on the jam > before, but I don't care, because if I can convince > just one person to - > for god's sake - not buy sony, then I'll be slightly > less bitter. > > Am I just rough w/my equipment? Doesn't matter, > jerky! I've had a > magnavox TV since '95 that's survived countless > moves, and a panasonic > phone, that I drop on a monthly basis, that's as > good as new! > > I've heard many, many similar stories from friends. > > and aside from all that, Sony is a fucking BITCH for > making propietary > ac adapter plugs. I'd like to crazy-glue a couple > dozen Sony Miniplugs > together and do something really illegal to the > cavities of the guy who > thought them up. Ya know, my life has really been going down the shitter lately. But when I read posts like this, I just have to life and be happy. Thanks for the funny post mate. I'm out. === *Trent -- check out my mp3s -- http://members.xoom.com/el_trento AIM- PageRiff ICQ- #39449102 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4970 **************************