YTSEJAM Digest 4963 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Odds'n'sods by "Timo Virkkala" 2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4952 by email_address_removed 3) Re: Berklee dropouts by Jon Parmet 4) re: LTE again and again by Brian Hansen 5) want some candy, little girl? by Jon Parmet 6) Re: LTE again by Jon Parmet 7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4961 by email_address_removed 8) LITS Updated by Nick Bogovich 9) Dream Theater AUCTION ** by Vaiman Vaiman 10) RE: LTE again by David Dixon 11) maiden tix! by Joshua Rasiel 12) LTE2/Iced Earth by "Jon Kretschmer" 13) LTE2/Iced Earth by "Jon Kretschmer" 14) Re: LTE2/Iced Earth by Brad Plumb 15) A band named after a genre of heavy music... by email_address_removed 16) Re: LTE2 by Andrew Coutermarsh 17) Filler gives me heartburn. by "Korg Ecksthrey" 18) Re: Carpel Tension Wankery. by "Brian M. Larkin" 19) LTE opine and tiles by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:13:22 +0300 From: "Timo Virkkala" To: Subject: Re: Odds'n'sods Message-ID: <018c01bec97e$cba80100$e7068ec2@virkti-6> >Has anybody here seen Apocalyptica live? I've heard the >albums, and they are OK but nothing I'd buy. On the >other hand, I've heard that the concerts are great. The >Finnish fiddlers will be playing here in good old >Darmstadt (translates literally as Gut City if anybody >is interested) in August, and I'd be grateful for any >info about whether it's worth going. I personally haven't been to any of their concerts, but I've seen one on TV and some of my friends were at their concert a week ago. A helluva show, they tell me. I'd recommend going if you have the chance. BTW. Me and my friends have a 4-cellos-playing-heavy band too, and a few months ago I arranged Pull Me Under for us! We played it a couple of times in concerts and had a lot of fun, and the audience enjoyed it too. I'll try to get it recorded sometimes and maybe send it to LITS or DTcovers or somewhere. I'll remember to advertise it here too. But, back to the original topic, go to the Apocalyptica gig. It'll be worth it. BTW. This was my first post to the Ytsejam. Hi all =) -WT- NP: Dream Theater - Voices (Awake 1994) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:46:18 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4952 Message-ID: What is going on with VH? Are they going to keep Gary or what? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 20:50:31 +0100 From: Jon Parmet To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Berklee dropouts Message-ID: email_address_removed wrote: > << [snip] > So, as far as I can tell, Berklee ain't no fucking guarantee, but dropping > out of Berklee is? hmmmmm.... >> > > I hope that's true, because my brother dropped out a semester away from > graduation...come to think of it he is doing pretty well now..... Maybe they teach well there, that you find all you need in your time. Then your time there over and it's time to move on... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:01:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen To: email_address_removed Subject: re: LTE again and again Message-ID: A couple of quotes: > IMO, Liquid Tension Experiment would be more aptly named Carpal Tunnel > Syndrome as the abhorrable amount of wankery involved would make even Paul > Reubens' hand tired. > I partially agree with you here - I feel WtWB could have been AT LEAST 5 > minutes shorter. Take out all the guitar/keyboard wanking and you have a > kick-ass tune. If I'm not mistaken, the whole point of the LTE projects was to be total "wankfests". With this in mind, I can't complain about wanking. I'm sure the next Dream Theater disc will be more about compositions, especially with the addition of vocals. Personally, I prefer to have vocals in my music. It breaks things up, and makes for anticipation...like you know something's coming up (vocal) after a wanking session. But it would be pointless for me to complain about a lack of vocals on an instrumental recording. To me, a perfect recording has everything: slow moody music, vocals, heavy chunk, super speed, slow melodic and everything in between. This is what makes I&W, Awake and Symphony X's TDWoT such classics for me. But hey, every disc doesn't have to be perfect. That's why I put the ol' sixty disc changer on random...makes for variety (if you like to hear Miles Davis followed by Fear Factory followed by Sade). Ramble on, BH _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 21:11:14 +0100 From: Jon Parmet To: email_address_removed Subject: want some candy, little girl? Message-ID: Nick(le bag) wrote: > Anyways, some day, when I get around to it, I'll install my new 18 gig UW2 > SCSI hard drive and start building the largest archive of Dream Theater > concerts in MP3 format. But, seeing rants like the following lead me to > believe that if I were to take on such a task, I would be like the coke > dealer trying to feed everyone's addictions. > > -Bogie Too late... You already handed out bags to all us little kids <--- shut it!) down at the schoolyard to get us hooked :) See what you've done? I hope you're proud of yourself, Nicholas! :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 21:22:32 +0100 From: Jon Parmet To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: LTE again Message-ID: > after the baby noise), but I rarely make it all the way there because I get > tired of the extended wankery. "Acid Rain" definitely kicks my ass, as does > "Another Dimension". "Chewbacca" doesn't do it for me, and neither does > "9:14". But, "Liquid Dreams" and "Hourglass" are definitely cool and very When I first heard JP's guitar on Hourglass, I looked around waiting for Freddy Mercury to rise up from the grave, and scream "LOVE OF MY LIFE, DON'T LEAVE ME" :)))) > moody. All in all, I think it would be a great CD if a little "fat" would > be trimmed... LTE isn't about lean and mean, though. It's about jamming == wankery :) And it's a side project at that!! It's only gonna get better... If you want lean and mean, go pick up Jane Fonda's latest workout video. I hear the anorexic Layne Staley did the sound for it :)))))) Regards, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:25:27 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4961 Message-ID: << DT and GC both have songs called "Speak to Me", and "Where are you now". GC shares "Paradigm Shift" with LTE. >> I think theres a Pink Floyd song called "Speak to Me" as well . . . though since I dont like them I'm not sure . . . RaY np: Symphony X "Through the looking glass" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 17:38:00 -0400 From: Nick Bogovich To: email_address_removed Subject: LITS Updated Message-ID: Hey everyone, I finally caught LITS up on the news front. There are even some articles of interest there you won't find on UACM! (it's hard to get one by Itchy these days!) Once I get home this weekend, I will FINALLY upload new shows. I'll put up the best 5 I can find and let you all go at it with my web server --- I want to see if it can handle the reinstall of NT I did last weekend. Hell, maybe you'll even get a chance to hear Lines in the Sand in its demo form - a la the Fix for '96 shows! Take care, Bogie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 17:39:03 -0400 From: Vaiman Vaiman To: email_address_removed Subject: Dream Theater AUCTION ** Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=127534242 see ya there ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 14:41:42 -0700 From: David Dixon To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: RE: LTE again Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C9605649016AE783@messaging> > LTE isn't about lean and mean, though. It's about jamming == wankery :) IMHO, "jamming" does not necessarily mean "wankery" - listen to pretty much any jazz album... > When I first heard JP's guitar on Hourglass, I looked around waiting for > Freddy Mercury to rise up from the grave, and scream "LOVE OF MY LIFE, > DON'T LEAVE ME" :)))) Long live the spirit of Freddie! :) P.S. for some strange reason the double equals sign above struck me funny, being a JavaScript dude and all. For you programmers, a more "normal" interpretation of the above... struct disc { int jamming; int wankery; } function testDisc(disc) { if (disc.jamming == disc.wankery) { cringe(); breakOutColtraneRecords(); return false; } else { continueListening(); return true; } } disc LTE; LTE.jamming = 1; LTE.wankery = 1; // not always, but enough to make it true testDisc(LTE); Alright, no flaming for syntax errors - I did this in 4 seconds... :) David Dixon, MCP Consultant E-Commerce & Internet Technology Solutions Integrated Information Systems, Inc. email_address_removed email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 18:33:07 -0400 From: Joshua Rasiel To: email_address_removed Subject: maiden tix! Message-ID: ok, NY jammers, who've got tix to one of the maiden shows at the hammerstein coming up later this month: i have two tickets but they're one on each night. I want to go with someone, so we want to trade one of our tickets for someone who has the other night. I don't care which night we go, it's just cooler if we don't have to go seperately. does anyone, on EITHER night, want to trade one ticket for the other night? thanks in advance! joshua ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:23:54 -0700 From: "Jon Kretschmer" To: email_address_removed Subject: LTE2/Iced Earth Message-ID: I am interested to see so many differing opinions on LTE2 - I personally think there are a lot more tasty tunes and riffs than the first one. Sure there is wankery, but you knew that going into getting the disc. There is no way they can fill a CD without wanking somewhat. And besides, wouldn't you rather listen to Jordan and John wank than anyone else? About Iced Earth: Some people were talking about them, so I went out and bought "Something Wicked This Way Comes." My question is, what is the appeal of this band? It sounds like a Metallica ripoff with a few ballads thrown in literally every other song. I just don't like this disc too much. Someone point out the great parts of the disc so I don't have to believe I wasted my bucks on a bad CD. Thanks everyone. Jon Dream Theater newsletter: http://www.dreamtheater.net/uacmmail/ ___________________________________________________________ Get your own Web-based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:23:45 -0700 From: "Jon Kretschmer" To: email_address_removed Subject: LTE2/Iced Earth Message-ID: I am interested to see so many differing opinions on LTE2 - I personally think there are a lot more tasty tunes and riffs than the first one. Sure there is wankery, but you knew that going into getting the disc. There is no way they can fill a CD without wanking somewhat. And besides, wouldn't you rather listen to Jordan and John wank than anyone else? About Iced Earth: Some people were talking about them, so I went out and bought "Something Wicked This Way Comes." My question is, what is the appeal of this band? It sounds like a Metallica ripoff with a few ballads thrown in literally every other song. I just don't like this disc too much. Someone point out the great parts of the disc so I don't have to believe I wasted my bucks on a bad CD. Thanks everyone. Jon Dream Theater newsletter: http://www.dreamtheater.net/uacmmail/ ___________________________________________________________ Get your own Web-based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 17:36:27 -0500 From: Brad Plumb To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: LTE2/Iced Earth Message-ID: >About Iced Earth: Some people were talking about them, so I went out and bought "Something Wicked This Way Comes." My question is, what is the appeal of this band? It sounds like a Metallica ripoff with a few ballads thrown in literally every other song. I just don't like this disc too much. Someone point out the great parts of the disc so I don't have to believe I wasted my bucks on a bad CD. > >Thanks everyone. > >Jon > Listen to the last three tracks. 'Nuff said. Something Wicked probly isn't the best IE album to start with (even though I started with Dark Saga), try Burnt Offerings or Night of the Storm Rider which are a LOT heavier, and a lot more original. Anyway, the trilogy which ends something wicked is probly IE's best material. If you don't like that, then you probly won't like Iced Earth. Palpatine "Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "Perhaps god gave the answers to those with nothing to say"- Savatage: Somewhere in time "So You're saying that in your scientific opinion, Bess McNeil died from an overdose of... being good..?" -Breaking the Waves ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:41:35 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: A band named after a genre of heavy music... Message-ID: I never claimed that Metallica was a progressive band, only that they changed and people bitched. If you say that a band that changes (whether it's forward or backward is a matter of opinion, not fact) is "progressive" - then maybe they fit the bill. Metallica changed from their standard formula. This is a fact. My original post was not designed to resuscitate the metallica sucks thread, nor did it mention Metallica as the be-all end-all of my observation. If it helps you understand my opinion, fill in a different band that changed and people bitched (Queensryche, maybe?) Some of you need to read beyond your own bias and resist making a snap judgement when you perceive your little tootsies are being trod upon... NP: Clockhammer - Kleinfelter (something like that) Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:03:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: LTE2 Message-ID: Well, I must say that I like this CD, but I actually think that in terms of SONGS, the first disc blows it away like a junkie sneezing on his mirror. Maybe it's just because LTE was (obviously) the first of the discs that I owned, but I just generally LIKE the songs on LTE1 better. I mean, you've got Paradigm Shift, Kindred Spirits, Freedom of Speech, State of Grace, and Universal Mind. On LTE2, what do you have? (IMHO) Biaxident, Another Dimension, WtWB, and Hourglass. They just don't seem to be of the same caliber (well, maybe Biaxident and WtWB, and Hourglass blows State of Grace out out of the water). Overall, it just doesn't seem to hold the same effect as the first disc. Not that I don't like it - I think it's a great CD. But even though I have listened to it less than a dozen times, I still feel like I need to put in the first disc after every time I listen to LTE2, just to "make up" for the shortcomings in the second disc. ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.home.dhs.org/ Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- The only stupid question is the one that is never asked, except maybe "Don't you think it is about time you audited my return?" or "But officer, isn't it morally wrong to give me a warning when, in fact, I was speeding?" ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1993 17:06:01 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" To: Subject: Filler gives me heartburn. Message-ID: <002601b80fe4$8fcb15a0$message_id_removed> >There is no way they can fill a CD without wanking somewhat. And besides, >wouldn't you rather listen to Jordan and John wank than anyone else? Ooh, ooh! *Korg looks enlightened and bites at the dangling hook!* Perhaps that is half of the problem? Perhaps those guys have feel like they're not giving enough to the fans if they don't max out a CD so they throw in unnecessary extra "filler" into the songs to make it complete? I've noticed that every CD they have popped out since Awake tends to pack a CD to the max. I honestly don't think it's necessary. The intention may be great, but, to me, it can completely screw up a song. (i.e. ToT, although many will disagree) I'll stop now, because opinions, like hands, are best kept to onesself. -- KorgX3 NP: VAST - Visual Audio Sensory Theater ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:16:20 -0400 From: "Brian M. Larkin" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Carpel Tension Wankery. Message-ID: Korg Ecksthrey: >> IMO, Liquid Tension Experiment would be more aptly named Carpal Tunnel >> Syndrome as the abhorrable amount of wankery involved would make even Paul >> Reubens' hand tired. You know, I think it's really funny how people criticize the LTE albums as being to wank-ish and self-indulgent. Um, I think that's what they were going for? It was my impression that the whole idea behind the LTE project was to write a lot of technically insane, completely over-the-top, wacky, bombastic, extremely progressive (etc.) music within a very short time frame. Some dig it, some don't. I personally have to be in the right mood to listen to the jams (TMW, Chew, LD, 914), but the rest of the stuff is great >for what it is<. David Dixon: >All in all, I think it would be a great CD if a little "fat" would >be trimmed... I think LTE probably wanted to trim as little fat as possible from the record so as to preserve the spontaneity and "jam" feel of both albums. LTE2 does sound more cohesive than LTE1, but it's still mostly a collection of jams. Just my $.0002. ~Brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 21:28:49 PDT From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" To: email_address_removed Subject: LTE opine and tiles Message-ID: >"Chewbacca" doesn't do it for me Chewbacca's weirdness makes it my fave song on the disc....diff'rent strokes, i guess.....thanks to whoever it was for pointing out the Fates-ish stuff in When the Water Breaks, which is making me wonder how the hell I missed it before..... One more reminder: If you wanna know what Tiles is about, they will be featured on the Motor City Riffs program, 10 PM on Sunday July 11th, 101.1 FM in Detroit.... Their program is accesible on the net, a RA feed available from WWW.WRIF.COM the show is basically going to showcase Tiles' new album, Presents of Mind, which if you were to take my word for it, is fighting Manifesto for Futurism as this year's best release to date...... So check 'em out....i think enough of you will be glad you did.... speaking of Tiles, how's this for a crazy concert confluence.... Saturday, July 17th in and around Detroit.....State Theatre: Seal (with Tony Levin on bass).......The Majestic: Ozric Tentacles...... Magic Bag: Tiles (with Discipline's Matthew Parmenter supposed to join 'em to play violin for a couple of songs, which makes me think they might try out the song "Reasonable Doubt" live) and I got a friend's wedding to go to..... partha _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4963 **************************