YTSEJAM Digest 4956 Today's Topics: 1) Neo-Classical by Outlander 99 2) neo-classical by Brian Hansen 3) pulse greatest live? hmmm by Joshua Rasiel 4) Pink Floyd and everything in between by Kurt Hampton 5) Re: CD-RW... by Steve Chew 6) 'nuff said by email_address_removed 7) Shameless Plug for one of my Favorite Bands by email_address_removed 8) Shameless Plug for one of my Favorite Bands by email_address_removed 9) Scorpions/Crue pt II by Pat Daugherty 10) Re: Candlemass by Rogerio Brito 11) Re: Candlemass by Jim Lenart 12) Re: Alchemy X by "Adam Perkowsky" 13) Clarity clips at mp3.com (ndtc) by Sami Poimala 14) Dali's vs. Queensryke O:M by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" 15) Re: Dali's vs. Queensryke O:M by Carlos Alfaro 16) neo-classical by "email_address_removed.au" 17) Savatage on Metal Blade? by Michael Kizer 18) Re: Floyd and Blues by "Matt Molite" 19) Re: Pink Floyd by "Matt Molite" 20) NDTC: James Hetfield in the South Park movie? by "Sadbutunforgiven" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 13:36:15 EDT From: Outlander 99 To: email_address_removed Subject: Neo-Classical Message-ID: One more question: I've seen the term "neo-classical" used on the list many times. I was wondering if someone could give me a definition on it. My guess it that it refers to rock/metal with "classical" music influences. Any more to it? Eric Well, IMO its got elements of classical composition...look at Icarus Dream Suite from Malmsteen ive seen it ripped apart in a magazine and they point out how deeply classical the comp. is...also you gotta have a guitar tonality that can sream & growl while being glass-like during the slower phrases. does that help? Outlander out _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:48:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen To: email_address_removed Subject: neo-classical Message-ID: "Eric Trautmann" asked: > I've seen the term "neo-classical" used on the list many times. I was > wondering if someone could give me a definition on it. My guess it that > it refers to rock/metal with "classical" music influences. Any more to it? Good guess. If it were in a dictionary, it would have Yngwie Malmsteen's picture next to it. As the term is used in metal circles, it refers to metal with the Yngwie-style of guitar playing. More examples: Vinnie Moore, Impelliteri, Joe Stump, Tony MacAlpine, Symphony X (Micheal Romeo), Stratovarius, various Shrapnel Records guitar projects. It should be noted that other earlier, guitarists could have been called neo-classical (Richie Blackmore, Micheal Schenker, Randy Rhoads, etc.), but it was Yngwie who crystallized the term in it's modern, metal usage. BH _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 14:08:22 -0400 From: Joshua Rasiel To: email_address_removed Subject: pulse greatest live? hmmm Message-ID: arash, on pulse: >IMO, it's the best live album ever produced on earth. It's incredible. Well now, I think that's a really great one. I rented the video and loved it. But, the best live video of all time,(not EXACTLY what you were saying) has got to be U2's Zoo TV. I've probably seen it 20 times. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:27:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Kurt Hampton To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Pink Floyd and everything in between Message-ID: Hey all, first I was pleased and suprised to see I was #5 on the rankings, not that it matters. :) Second off, Canada is not a bad country, they produced some of my personal heroes:Bret Hart, Chris Jericho, and Chris Benoit (all wrestlers) Speaking of wrestling, MEGADETH will be on MONDAY NITRO on TNT next week (the 5th) playing their new song Crush Em which is in the Universal Soldier 2 movie that comes out soon. Regarding this Pink Floyd thread, I don't personally care for them too much. Being only 19, the only stuff I've heard is the usual on the radio, and Take it back and the Division Bell off the Division Bell. The song Division Bell has to be one of the most amazing songs I've ever heard. Anyway, I do have respect for them. You can not like something, but at least respect it for what it is. :) Kurt ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** @----'--,--- ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** "I remember Now" "Rodney King, what the hell is that supposed to mean? He's that guy." Airheads ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:18:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Chew To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: CD-RW... Message-ID: To the person wondering what CD-RW to buy... I have a Yamaha 4416 4x writer which I like pretty well. I ended up buying a SCSI hard drive too so I could burn CDs more easily (my old IDE drive just wasn't always fast enough for 4x speed). I haven't tried duplicating CDs from my IDE CD player yet. I generally want to make compilations so I need to copy the songs to the hard drive first. I like the Easy CD Creator that came with the CD-RW. I bought the Sure Thing CD-Label software for doing the labels and it's nice too. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 19:51:02 +0100 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: 'nuff said Message-ID: NP: Liquid Tension Expermiment 2 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 16:14:52 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Shameless Plug for one of my Favorite Bands Message-ID: Hey! For everyone that dosent have Clockworks lates album, SurfaceTension, order it now! Its really, really, fucking good. Here Ill make it easy for ya: They have it at www.CdNow.Com as well as most of the other music sites on the web. Seriously though, my ytse-friends, this album is some serious progressive metal from some seriously incredible musicians. Sean Malone (from Cynic) has a Chapman Stick solo on one of the tunes as well! Do your mind and your ears a favor and check it out! -Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 16:14:55 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Shameless Plug for one of my Favorite Bands Message-ID: Hey! For everyone that dosent have Clockworks lates album, SurfaceTension, order it now! Its really, really, fucking good. Here Ill make it easy for ya: They have it at www.CdNow.Com as well as most of the other music sites on the web. Seriously though, my ytse-friends, this album is some serious progressive metal from some seriously incredible musicians. Sean Malone (from Cynic) has a Chapman Stick solo on one of the tunes as well! Do your mind and your ears a favor and check it out! -Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:55:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat Daugherty To: DT list Subject: Scorpions/Crue pt II Message-ID: Oh yeah during the crue's set I forgot to mention the "side show", which was something I never expected to see at a concert, a bachelor party-yes, but a concert-no... Lets just say that Meriweather Post Pavilion has said they will never let the Crue back there... Also since the county police didn't see anything since they were outside, there was no arrests. They are warning the police in the rest of the cities on the tour though so I wonder how long the act lasts. NP: Dokken-Erase the Slate (Reb Beach rocks) === |----------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty Email: email_address_removed | | Web : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html | |================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | |----------------------------------------------------------------| _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 17:20:55 -0300 From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Candlemass Message-ID: On Jul 01 1999, Jim Lenart wrote: > Hi. here's probably more information than you need but here goes. > Candlemass' last album... (...) > anyway most of the songs from the album were intended to be songs > for his side project "Abstrakt Algebra" (that's why the songs sound > like those off his first A.A. album). Do you know if he's a Mathematician? (Perhaps Abstract Algebra is one of my preferred fields in Mathematics). It would be cool to know what the lyrics say. :-) I can only think of some things that would sound *really* weird, like words with a proof of a theorem. :-) []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ (still an) Ugrad. Comp. Science student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Nectar homepage: http://www.linux.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/opeth/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 22:19:01 +0000 From: Jim Lenart To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Candlemass Message-ID: > > Hi. here's probably more information than you need but here goes. > > Candlemass' last album... > (...) > > anyway most of the songs from the album were intended to be songs > > for his side project "Abstrakt Algebra" (that's why the songs sound > > like those off his first A.A. album). > > Do you know if he's a Mathematician? (Perhaps Abstract Algebra > is one of my preferred fields in Mathematics). > ouch. i feel sorry for you if that is your favorite field in math...ugh...j/k actually the songs have nothing to do with the mathematics field, but i guess in a way they can be called abstract? Definately some experimental stuff going on, with influences from many different musical genres. > It would be cool to know what the lyrics say. :-) I can only > think of some things that would sound *really* weird, like > words with a proof of a theorem. :-) > heheh. that would have been pretty funny (disapointing in a way, but yes funny)....i have a friend (whom someone else here definitely knows too) who wanted to make a punk/black metal band (obviously for comical intentions only) called something like "The Accountants". Of course the lyrics would be in the traditional punk "political/angry" frame of mind, with songs about spreadsheets, ect...oh, the blackmetal influence would be there just so they could wear the face paint too. heheh. signing off. jim Official Solitude Aeturnus website: www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/5795/solitude.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:14:42 -0400 From: "Adam Perkowsky" To: Subject: Re: Alchemy X Message-ID: <002201bec4bf$24969ac0$f887fad0@perk> Hello everyone, Alchemy X is a five piece (v, 2 g, b/k, d) prog metal band now based in Long Island City, NY. The main influences prevelant in their music are DT, Fates Warning, Iron Maiden and Queensryche. The vocalist sounds like the major players of classic metal -- Rob Halford, Bruce Dickinson and the like. Their new CD is entitled "A Delicate Balance." For info on how to purchase the CD, e-mail me or the band at email_address_removed. Very soon, they will have a website through Liquid Audio, where you'll be able to hear some clips and buy merchandise. I am also in the process of creating the band's homepage as soon as I get some pics, bios and other info from the band. There is also a full mp3 of Alchemy X's song called "Alchemy" on Ytsejim's mp3 server "Music in Progress" (http://members.aol.com/miprogress). Some of you may have already heard some Alchemy X songs. At one of the FII tour shows at Irving Plaza in NYC, the band handed out a two-song demo tape to people on line. At the time they were known as Dreamscape. They originally were called Alchemy, but were forced to add the X because someone else had the rights to the Alchemy name. I told them to not use X, since their are so many "X" bands out there. But then again, it was better than being a "scape" band! : ) Unfortunately, the plug AX got on Stern didn't help. They played two shows that weekend, but only friends and family went. Those were also the first two AX shows I have missed, since I was at NEARFest. Take care, Adam Perkowsky ----- Original Message ----- > >Then Howard plays a minute or two of one of their songs, and honestly, > it > >sounded really good. Anyone know anything about Alchemy X? > > yeah, they're pretty good. > > adam perkowski and I saw them in manhatten a few months ago - any other > jammers at that show? we were both up front. > > Josh ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 02:22:57 +0300 (EEST) From: Sami Poimala To: email_address_removed Subject: Clarity clips at mp3.com (ndtc) Message-ID: Hi guys 'n' gals! I have uploaded a few songs from my bands debut album to mp3.com. Now there are four songs available, and two more will be there soon. They are named (in order of appearance right now) - Devastation - Who am I - Life Indeed - Spiderdance And coming soon - Panther - Instrumental Hospital Please, check 'em out and don't hesitate to contact! Clips are on category pop_rock/metal/progressive_metal. Or go directly to our page www.mp3.com/clarity. Thanks! *------------------------+-+----------------------+* *| Sami Poimala |*|**********************|* *+-----------------------+*|* Dream Theater *|* *| email_address_removed.fi |*|*www.dreamtheater.net*|* *| www.jyu.fi/~spoimala |*+----------------------+* *+-----------------------+*|* Uriah Heep *|* *|University of Jyv=E4skyl=E4|*|* www.uriah-heep.com *|* *+-----------------------+-+----------------------+* The piece of today: Lines In The Sand ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 19:33:56 -0500 From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" To: Subject: Dali's vs. Queensryke O:M Message-ID: <001801bec4eb$bd7877a0$f55299d1@default> I read an ad recently claiming that Dali's Dillemma is like Queensrykes Operation:Mindcrime. All of you who are familiar with both , is this true? O:M is one of my favorite CDs. Mike Mike and Susan Verstraete www.sound.net/~homewks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 22:07:06 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Dali's vs. Queensryke O:M Message-ID: I dont know..but Dalis Dilemma 's cd is not a concept album..and i doubt very much that the music resembles QR. Id say its a perfect cross between images and words and awake. Mike & Susan Verstraete wrote: > I read an ad recently claiming that Dali's Dillemma is like Queensrykes > Operation:Mindcrime. All of you who are familiar with both , is this true? > O:M is one of my favorite CDs. > > Mike > Mike and Susan Verstraete > www.sound.net/~homewks ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 12:54:27 +1000 From: "email_address_removed.au" To: email_address_removed Subject: neo-classical Message-ID: > > I've seen the term "neo-classical" used on the list many times. I was > wondering if someone could give me a definition on it. My guess it that it > refers to rock/metal with "classical" music influences. Any more to it? yep thats it. Yngwie Malmsteen is usually attributed as the first serious neo-classical musician but there were a few before him who could be considered part of this genre. Neo-classical kind of got a bad name because basically it was just playing Paganini (a virtuoso violinist from the 18th (I think) century) on electric guitar. In the end it was just playing harmonic minor runs at high speed which got boring after a while. Still, it did widen the range for guitarists (and keyboardists) and there are some great players in the genre. Dream Theater have plenty of neo-classical influences. The song Ytsejam is the obvious one but you can see it all over the place. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 20:02:59 -0700 From: Michael Kizer To: Ytsejam Subject: Savatage on Metal Blade? Message-ID: To the guy who posted that Savatage had been dropped from Atlantic and signed to Metal Blade... I checked with the people I know at MB and they haven't heard about this yet, so I don't think it is true... If I hear anything more on it, I'll post it here... -- ~Michael Kizer "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." - http://www.ivorygate.com >>> Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream <<< >>> Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books <<< >>> Listen to YtseRadio at: http://www.dreamt.org/ytseradio <<< ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 00:49:41 -0400 From: "Matt Molite" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Floyd and Blues Message-ID: on the subject of Blues music and Pink Floyd... Ok, I know its been established that I am not a big fan of blues music, mainly because a lot of it I find incredibly repetative and uninteresting. Thats not to say that there isnt any blues music that I enjoy. I do like what SRV has done, and thats mainly because I find his playing makes it interesting for me. Floyd now...I used to be a huge Floyd fan (they were my #1 band before I heard DT) and now its become less. Floyd is a very atmospheric type of progressive that I do enjoy just as much as the technical shred stuff like DT. Even though Gilmour is a blues player, I think what makes his playing interesting to me is partially what he's playing in front of, I dont find the music Floyd does to be incredibly repetative. What I dont really get is the whole "dude, you have to be high or on acid to REALLY get what they're talking about." I dont care what music it is, but I find that the only way you can really experience the music is to listen to it sober. Otherwise, if you're high, your senses are impared, and you're not reciving the music how it really sounds. The best equation I can make to it is trying to pick up a girl when you're drunk. While drunk you think you're banging the hottest girl in the world, then the next morning you wake up and theres quasimoto next to you (any! ! one who remembers that horrible picture Eckie had on his site a while ago should get what Im talking about, right Eck ;-) ? my .02 for now Matt +----------------------------------+ |A daily dose of eMpTyV will flush | |your mind right down the drain - | | | | Mike Portnoy | +----------------------------------+ Get FREE dreamtheater.zzn.com email at http://www.dreamtheater.net/ ___________________________________________________________ Get your own Web-based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 01:06:05 -0400 From: "Matt Molite" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Pink Floyd Message-ID: I know I already talked about how I felt about this issue, but I had to comment on this person: <> 1. Why do you feel sorry for them? Its their taste in music, not yours. I know you're just voicing your opinion, but wording it the way you did makes it seem like they're inferior to you for not liking Floyd. 2. aah, synching Dark Side with Oz was interesting for about 2 seconds for me. The coincidences are at most times very vauge, and the big synchs are few and far between. 3. Just because something is influenced by something else, doesnt mean you have to like the influence. Theres many guitarists I love, for example, that list Yngwie Malmsteen as an influence, yet I find Yngwie, at least compared to whats around today, as extremely boring an unimaginative (though I admit a lot of his runs make good practice tools). Does that mean that I shouldnt like so-and-so because I dont like Yngwie? Matt +----------------------------------+ |A daily dose of eMpTyV will flush | |your mind right down the drain - | | | | Mike Portnoy | +----------------------------------+ Get FREE dreamtheater.zzn.com email at http://www.dreamtheater.net/ ___________________________________________________________ Get your own Web-based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 01:11:38 -0400 From: "Sadbutunforgiven" To: Subject: NDTC: James Hetfield in the South Park movie? Message-ID: <005b01bec512$88a43a60$4e09d6d1@pavilion> For anyone that has seen the south park movie: do you know for sure if that is James Hetfield singing in the song in the hell sequence? thanx ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4956 **************************