YTSEJAM Digest 4931 Today's Topics: 1) Re:IAW as first album by Kurt Hampton 2) Re: Many things by Dan McCormack 3) Re: x by Amanda Rosenblum 4) Re: LTE sounds like Xian music by Amanda Rosenblum 5) RE: LTE2 sounds like Christian Music (j/k) hehehe. by "Vaughn, Brandon" 6) Genesis prog? YES! by "Vaughn, Brandon" 7) Re: LTE sounds like Xian music by Carlos Alfaro 8) multiple melodies by jason braswell 9) Bass-clicking Ptaceks Hop Through the Snowdrifts of Unfounded by email_address_removed 10) Re: multiple melodies by Carlos Alfaro 11) To be Christian or not to be Christian . . . by email_address_removed 12) a few things... by John Parks 13) Guitar Magazine on LTE by email_address_removed 14) Re: Korg vs. Kurzweil by Damon Fibraio 15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4917 by "indii" 16) Guitar's screwup and Mullmuzzler by "Korg Ecksthrey" 17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4917 by Carlos Alfaro 18) animals by Isaac Trumbo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:54:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Kurt Hampton To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re:IAW as first album Message-ID: I know what you mean, I can only listem to it when I am in a weird mood. I skip AFIL and TKH and OWHTSTS (#7) because I have good versions of them with james on vox. I can't bear to hear Chuck D. butcher them. That album was the last one I bought of the commercial realeases, and it was a disappointment. The funniest thing about that album IMO is the hair, but it was 89 so it was OK, hell Sebastian Bach has reverted to that again which is cool to go against trends and stuff. Kurt NP- Sevendust-I guess I'll start putting these down. :) ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** @----'--,--- ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~****** "I remember Now" "Rodney King, what the hell is that supposed to mean? He's that guy." Airheads ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:13:10 AST From: Dan McCormack To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Many things Message-ID: >From: "Giannotti, Nick" >Subject: Many things > >Then, mikel contradicted himself and said, > > >For a start, there is not really such a thing as Christian music. > >Next paragraph... > > >A friend of mine is also always giving me Christian tapes... > >Any questions? :) i think you misunderstood his first statement. he was saying that there isn't a style of music called "christian music" - there are lots of christian bands but they play all different styles (mortification: christian death metal. tourniquet: christian speed metal, power metal, hardcore, etc, depending when in their career you look at :). the blamed: christian punk. jars of clay: christian acoustic rock. petra: christian wussy rock. and i forget the name of that christian rap group who seems to no longer be christian anymore). there is no contradiction. moo. *** END OF TRANSMISSION *** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:17:51 -0700 From: Amanda Rosenblum To: "email_address_removed" Subject: Re: x Message-ID: > Galactic Cowboys are "full-fledged > Christian" bands.. Wow, didn't know that one. Did know about King's X though. I basically don't care that they're a Christian band as long as all their lyrics aren't about God and Jesus. There's no room down in my throat for more religion. ~~Amanda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:25:39 -0700 From: Amanda Rosenblum To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: LTE sounds like Xian music Message-ID: > And is it just me (I'll probably get hella-flamed by someone for this), but > does the intro to Biaxident sound like a tip of the hat to John Tesh or > what? :) Serious, that piano playing sounds alot like something John Tesh > would do. *ducks* I'll hide with you in the corner where no one can get us, cus I agree. I took a total 180 from my initial impression of LTE2. It does have rather new-age-y type sounds on it. I was listening to some track or other last night, and I could just picture Jordan swinging his hair aroung like Yanni, in front of the Acropolis or something. I really like LTE2. Very different, but everything clicks much better. it sounds a lot more like a well thought out studio album that one long jam. ~~Amanda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:39:56 -0500 From: "Vaughn, Brandon" To: email_address_removed Subject: RE: LTE2 sounds like Christian Music (j/k) hehehe. Message-ID: <41303F74D60DD111B56500609778A79C64EC77@chipola.cc.fl.us> >> I have heard the new DT . . . it is called "When the Water >>Breaks" > >You know, I haven't had time to listen to LTE 2 too much since I got it, but >all I can do is hope that the new DT sounds little like WtWB. I mean, this >album is great, but imo, it's >not< DT. In fact, I'm listening to When the >Water Breaks right now, and although alot of the thematics on it are great, >in >my< opinion it's very disjointed, boringly long, and downright annoying >at its deliberate progginess. > You have crossed over . . . you are no longer one of "us" . . . Yeah, would have been much cooler if they would have done some Spice Girl or Hanson covers! :( Deliberate progginess??!!! That would just about include every DT song and all prog groups for that matter. You don't just sit down and start playing in 15/16! About the only group that did, that didn't make it sound so deliberate is probably early Genesis. If it sounds disjointed, that is probably because one person wrote it. Most of all DT songs may have started with one person, but I bet they became group efforts before long. Petrucci was absent for most of the writing. Boringly long? I agree . . . I think all songs should be under 2 minutes . . . after all, how many 16 minute commercials have you ever liked? :( >I hope it's more like Acid Rain and Hourglass. hehehe. I think I'm losing >my prog edge. Must... listen... to... Phil Collins... > Alas, poor Phil . . . he has turned to the "dark side." Powerful is the "dark side" of music. Money, prestige, fame, commercial songs . . . all tools of the dark side. Stay true to prog. Beware of the dark side. :) >And is it just me (I'll probably get hella-flamed by someone for this), but >does the intro to Biaxident sound like a tip of the hat to John Tesh or >what? :) Serious, that piano playing sounds alot like something John Tesh >would do. *ducks* Wammo! What is wrong with that? Did you ever criticize Derek's fondness for Elton John? I could see Tesh in a prog band before Elton. Or Derek's infatuation with Van Halen? Or how about a jazz influence in I&W? Who would ever think of Spryo with DT?! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:47:13 -0500 From: "Vaughn, Brandon" To: email_address_removed Subject: Genesis prog? YES! Message-ID: <41303F74D60DD111B56500609778A79C64EC78@chipola.cc.fl.us> Someone raised the question about whether Genesis was prog or not. YES!! Listen to early Genesis . . . maybe even mid-Genesis. FORGET about late Genesis. Take a song like Supper's Ready. Or Watcher of the Skies. Or Dancing on the Volcano. Or Los Endos. ETC.... Look at some of the time sigs they used. Truely incredible. To listen to them, you would think most everything they do is in 4/4. But they use some incredibly changing sigs in their music! Probably the best in doing this, I think. Yes was good at everyone playing different time sigs but you could always tell it. Genesis makes it sound like you could clap to it, until you actually try. Steve Hackett is an incredible guitarist, and was on the cutting edge of his art. I forgot who was the first with tapping (I know Larry Carlton was before VH), but Hackett was doing this kind of stuff a long time ago. But Genesis is definitely a prog band. If they are not, then I don't understand what progressive is. Whatever they are, so is Yes, DT, and the likes. Alas, modern Genesis (before Phil left) is a sad but true reminder of what can happen to prog musicians who turn. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:53:36 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: LTE sounds like Xian music Message-ID: Amanda Rosenblum wrote: > > And is it just me (I'll probably get hella-flamed by someone for this), but > > does the intro to Biaxident sound like a tip of the hat to John Tesh or > > what? :) Serious, that piano playing sounds alot like something John Tesh > > would do. *ducks* > I'll hide with you in the corner where no one can get us, cus I > agree. I took a total 180 from my initial impression of LTE2. It does > have rather new-age-y type sounds on it. I was listening to some track > or other last night, and I could just picture Jordan swinging his hair > aroung like Yanni, in front of the Acropolis or something. I really > like LTE2. Very different, but everything clicks much better. it > sounds a lot more like a well thought out studio album that one long > jam. > > ~~Amanda ok i think that at least you, amanda, are referring to that part in the middle of "when the water breaks" which is totally Yanni-like (no flames now HEH) even some of the sounds use a little before the piano section breaks resemble the sounds Yanni does on the intro to that track off of acropolis which i dont know the title.. but i dont think biaxident sounds at all like new age or something..the whole song sounds more to me like the dregs meet some jazz and stuff heh... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:57:55 PDT From: jason braswell To: email_address_removed Subject: multiple melodies Message-ID: Does anyone know a good prog band that can write good counterpoint and does so relatively often? As good as DT is, they certainly can't/don't do it. jason _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:13:11 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Bass-clicking Ptaceks Hop Through the Snowdrifts of Unfounded Message-ID: Someone observed (referring to Myung and the click): >Ah, the infamous bass 'click' - I had to work for YEARS to get rid of that. >The times I've seen him play, I've only heard the click a few times, which, >IMO, is pretty good. If the click is a sign of crappy technique, then Steve Harris must be absolutely bereft of technique. On another note, I am curious as to which five jammers Ptacek was referring when he was talking about people on this list with more chops than Yngwie. I am not trying to start anything, but I can think of perhaps three recorded guitarists who participate on this list, so I am wondering who else I am missing, not that being recorded is a prerequisite for talent... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:14:52 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: multiple melodies Message-ID: jason braswell wrote: > Does anyone know a good prog band that can write good counterpoint and > does so relatively often? As good as DT is, they certainly can't/don't do > it. > > jason > other than Savatage? > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:19:57 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: To be Christian or not to be Christian . . . Message-ID: << i could care less if they were christians or satanists. i wouldnt likely respect the latter, but it's the music that matters, and there's no such thing as christian music, just christians *making* music. >> There IS a such thing as Christian music actually. I don't see how your statement made any sense actually. Michael W. Smith and Jars of Clay(one of my favortie groups) have written such RELIGIOUS lyrics that its scary. Everything in their music is religious. The music is clean, the lyrics are holy(:>), and even the titles of their CD's deal with the bible or something Christian. The name of the BAnd, Jars of Clay, is in DIRECT refrence to the bible actually. If anything musical in your world should be considered christian music, It should be JArs of Caly( again, an amazing group that everyone should like:>) Jusy my 2 Christian cents RaY np: Awake ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:23:07 -0700 (PDT) From: John Parks To: ytsejam dream theater Subject: a few things... Message-ID: First off I would like to add to the discussion on jordans sounds. I really like the fact that he changes his sounds steadily thru LTE2. it keeps me on edge. And i really am digging some of those more percussive sounds. I think those patches sound good when jordan is playing a lead along with JP, you can hear both of them, but to me it doesn't seem like they are trying to out do each other. Is anyone excited about james Mullmuzzer cd? I have seen it mentioned here maybe once or twice. I for one can't wait... Mike Mangini on drums and Mike Keneally on guitar!!! Also does anyone know whats up on the second Platypus cd? I assume its finished by now. thats all for now === John Parks email_address_removed Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -Albert Einstein- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:31:34 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Guitar Magazine on LTE Message-ID: In a message dated 6/21/99 1:16:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, email_address_removed writes: "I am a HUGE fan of Testament...ive always admired the exceptional playing ability of former lead guitarist Bruce Skolnick" That reminds me of something-- did anyone pick up the latest issue of Guitar Magazine? (The one with the dissapointing results for the 1998 reader's poll....I don't even want to get started on that.) I noticed something kind of funny in the review section...that is, the LTE 2 review. Now, the review itself was not bad, and they gave the disc the approprite praise which it deserves, but they have the facts all wrong. In reference to the LTE 1, they write- "The first features ex-Testament guitarist Alex Skolnick and is more free jazz than prog-rock." What the hell is wrong with them? What idiots...I was just completely thrown off by that. At least it gave me a good laugh. In addition, I want to confirm on whether his name is Bruce or Alex. Obviously, it is hard to trust the magazine judging the context of the rest of the sentence. I dont know much about Testament. Are they brothers? Is one of them non-existant? I don't think it would make much of a difference anyways. Adam ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:39:13 -0400 From: Damon Fibraio To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Korg vs. Kurzweil Message-ID: I think the reason why the Trinity mutes itself temporarily while changing patches is due to the loading of up to eight different effects patches for each sound, possibly changing dsp settings as well. There is a lot of power going on in that silver case and the processor may not be able to handle it without dropping the sound momentarily. At 03:25 AM 6/22/99 , you wrote: > > > > You can do it on a Kurzweil. But the thing is, that you can't pull it > > > up as some preset (which I imagine most of Derek's unique sounds came > > > from). > > > > Guillory told me that he once asked Derek about his patches, and > > Derek blew him off. It was in the context of saying "I'm not sure how > > Derek gets some of his sounds." Guillory is another Trinity mofo. It's > > very much a lead player's board. > > I had the luck to play on Derek's Trinity but I haven't found any unique > sound that was not so similar to my Trinity's presets. He told me he usually > didn't go through the "programming", one of his friends at Kord did all that > work. However Jordan is totally a "keyboard programmer". > > > > > So far, I've only ever seen Jordan play on one keyboard. I look at > > > Derek and Kevin . . . stacks of keyboards. Of course, I do like the > > > > I think the reason Kevin and Derek use multiple boards is likely > > because they perhaps feel that no one board can do all they want it to > > do, though it could be the patch switching glitch mentioned about the > > Trinity. Jordan would seem to be making a different statement, but to my > > ears, his sounds do fall a bit short. Opinion, so nbd. > > Don't forget, that Kevin has a K2000 since he left DT. I believe he will > use just that (or a K2500) on his future shows... > What I hate in Trinity, when I switch to another patch, the previous one > is going to mute in the same second. I wonder because Korg has already > made keyboards in the past that were not doing that. > > Cheers, > Peter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:40:44 -0400 From: "indii" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4917 Message-ID: <000901bebd00$4a8f2f60$0600000a@matts> And finally.. I've seen many times Symphony X mentioned here.. I've heard to Mike Pinella and the other Mike (can't remember the last name) in the Working Man Rush tribute.. They sound quite interesting.. How is Divine Wings.. ? -snip- Unfortunaly, I wasn't still subscribed to the jam at Age of Impact's release time, so I dunno the jammer's opinion about it... But, given the repetition of threads.. Any opinions will be welcome !! (either private or on the jam ) All i got to say is that if you like Age of Impact then you will love Symphony X...Buy Divine Wings NOW! To try and give you a little idea...i consider then a combination of Manowar (mostly because of the fantasy like settings), Explorer's Club (the whole cd seems to me like one long opera) DT (for complete and total AWESOMENESS!) and a little Savatage thrown in....or maybe some Helloween... They are heavier in most parts then EC or DT but that's also where the Manowar comes into play.... hope this helps.....if you want .. privately email me (email_address_removed) and i will send you some sounds samples....it won't take you long to make your decision.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:55:47 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" To: Subject: Guitar's screwup and Mullmuzzler Message-ID: <001c01bebd02$69e74120$message_id_removed> > to the LTE 1, they write- "The first features ex-Testament guitarist Alex > Skolnick and is more free jazz than prog-rock." It sounds like someone must have mixed up LTE with Attention Deficit to me. I still need to pick that one up. Alex Skolnick did play on the AD album. > In addition, I want to confirm on whether his name is Bruce or Alex. Alex Skolnick. He's a damn good guitar player, too. A once friend of mine used to have a signature series Ibanez of his. Sweet, sweet guitar. Except he sold it for drug money. Blah. :( Although I find it odd that the name Bruce Skolnick sounds familiar to me, I don't know of any guitar players by that name. :) > Is anyone excited about james Mullmuzzer cd? I have seen > it mentioned here maybe once or twice. I for one can't To me, I think I'm more interested in hearing this album than the new DT album. I am highly curious as to what kind of sound James is going for on this album. With the musicians he's got, I'm expecting something DAMN good. hehehe. -- KorgX3 has a pissed of colon : NP: Nothing! Time to go home! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:10:03 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4917 Message-ID: > All i got to say is that if you like Age of Impact then you will love > Symphony X...Buy Divine Wings NOW! To try and give you a little idea...i > consider then a combination of Manowar (mostly because of the fantasy like > settings), Explorer's Club (the whole cd seems to me like one long opera) DT > (for complete and total AWESOMENESS!) and a little Savatage thrown in....or > maybe some Helloween... They are heavier in most parts then EC or DT but > that's also where the Manowar comes into play.... ERR ...age of impact sounds NOTHING like symphony X.... EC:AOI is like Magellan on sterioids...while SyX is pure neoclassic power metal(most songs have the constant double bass with matching riffing throughout thingie that "distinguishes" bands like Helloween , gamma ray, some Angra, Hammerfall etc...) with some progish influences...and IMO SyX is NOT heavier than DT, sure theyre faster riffs, but in my book heavy equals lower and slower rather than fast...for example..to me.. Meshuggah is a lot heavier than say,..canibbal corpse, because meshuggah uses mid to moderately fast tempos with grinding gut wrenching sounding stuff..while canibal corpse is just fast ( im generalizing here) and well...SyX just drops D sometimes and thats all... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 23:11:28 GMT From: Isaac Trumbo To: email_address_removed Subject: animals Message-ID: you're thinking of elton john.. he's the guy who does ducks..and sheep for that matter.. :) inferno NP: u2 - october >And is it just me (I'll probably get hella-flamed by someone for >this), >but does the intro to Biaxident sound like a tip of the hat to John Tesh or >what? :) Serious, that piano playing sounds alot like something John Tesh >would do. *ducks* >-- >KorgX3 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4931 **************************