YTSEJAM Digest 4930

Today's Topics:

  1) Jam's Golden Rule Reminder. Oh.. yeah ! JM's and Key's thread!
 by "Yan E." <email_address_removed.py>
  2) Jordan
 by CyberDuke <email_address_removed.mk>
  3) Accordion to whom?
 by Paul Weiss <email_address_removed>
  4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4929
 by Jeroen Hendrix <jeroen.hendrix@wxs.nl>
  5) DT cover mp3s site updated
 by "Rajkai Peter" <peter.rajkai@mtt.hu>
  6) Download Chroma Key's "Even The Waves"
 by "Mark Bredius" <bredius@quicknet.nl>
  7) Ramms+ein
 by email_address_removed
  8) Turning Discussion BACK to DT
 by Kurt Hampton <email_address_removed>
  9) LTE2 sounds like Christian Music (j/k) hehehe.
 by "Korg Ecksthrey" <email_address_removed>
 10) Bicker
 by email_address_removed
 11) Re: To Chris/not Amanda or anyone else...is that clear enough?
 by Andrew Coutermarsh <email_address_removed>
 12) Re: Salvation on the radio waves in MN
 by "Todd Fostvedt" <email_address_removed>
 13) Re: I&W as a first album
 by Andrew Coutermarsh <email_address_removed>
 14) Re: christian "music" and myung
 by email_address_removed

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:17:20 -0400
From: "Yan E." <email_address_removed.py>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Jam's Golden Rule Reminder. Oh.. yeah ! JM's and Key's thread!
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.py>


>>From: "email_address_removed.au" <email_address_removed.au>

>  I like what this one article or review said about Myung. It was
>something like he was the one who stopped Petrucci and Portnoy
>from flying off into space in opposite directions.>>>

Yup. I rememeber (Dunno if the same article) that it said more or less that
JM is to DT a kind of "GLUE", keeping songs understandable (glue-ing
instruments) to the listener. That is, working as a tourist guide through
the songs, so U wouldn't be as lost as newbie on the Ytsejam. ;)


>> Kind of made me think what it would be like if we had Myung
doing the same stuff that the others were doing with a million notes
per second and chromatic runs and other over the top stuff.
 Somehow I think that would be just a bit too much (although
come to think of it that might be cool for a while)>>>

You can bet on it ! Maybe the next album will give us some surprises... (I
hope so)

Oh..about my subject... It's related to all the flames recently posted.
Just thought it will be useful for some ppl. Remember the welcome mail ?

Well the golden rule is (according to Skadz):

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<THINK BEFORE YOU POST !>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I think I followed that rule blindly, that's why I'm such a lurker !

NE wayz... 

>>From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" <email_address_removed>

>    Guillory told me that he once asked Derek about his patches, and
>Derek blew him off.  It was in the context of saying "I'm not sure how
>Derek gets some of his sounds."  Guillory is another Trinity mofo.  It's
>very much a lead player's board.

Hey Chris, a question here. (I'm spanish speaker) What do you mean by "blew
him off"?  Derek didn't want to tell him about his patches ?

Cuz in Manifest... The leads sounds of Matt sound to me really close to
Derek's. I'm not complaining about it here, I'm just asking some
clarification ;) I mean, the lead sounds are similar, but the way both of
them play are quite different. (Am I clear enough?)=)

TERRIFIC DISC !! Really honors its name.

> keyboards.  One of things I didn't like about Derek's sound was that at
> times I couldn't tell if it was Petrucci.  There is only one Petrucci,

I thought I was alone on this one. Specially first time I've heard LITS intro.

>    I could generally tell, especially live, and I thought that was a
>HUGE plus... not because it was a keyboard that could sound similar to a
>guitar, but because it was such a totally fresh sound that I had never
>heard before.

Totally agreed! 

A last question, do someone have the Dali's Dilemma's  URL ? Thanx in
advance..

Well I think that's for now.

Be good and keep flaming... errr... sorry I meant.. jamming.

np: Dali's Dilemma ? - Manifest for Futurism !
    Ricky Martin - Vive la vida loca..;)
    (I miss that thread !)


  _________________________________________

  - .        Yan Gonzalez Acosta        . -
  _________________________________________

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:15:19 +0200
From: CyberDuke <email_address_removed.mk>
To: "email_address_removed" <email_address_removed>
Subject: Jordan
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.mk>


Ptacek:
> .... Is he going to use the same lead sound on the new DT?  Jordan 
> has a great control over instruments with faster decay (piano and 
> bells etc) but his choice in lead sounds just seems really dead 
> next to Derek. 

Yep, a very cool topic to discuss!
As far I'm concerned, Jordan sound on RPM could've been way better. I
can't say exactly what I dislike..

So, ... is the keyboard the problem or the man? ;o)

> and no matter how poor the relationship with Derek may have been
> or may have become, I would be shocked to hear that the guys 
> didn't think his tone was happenin'.

Oh yeah! As hippie would say "We really dig Derek sound man!" :)
-- 
CyberDuke
________________________________________

"Lisa, get away from that jazzer!"
                             - Simpsons
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:30:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Paul Weiss <email_address_removed>
To: A Mind Forever Ytse-ing <email_address_removed>
Subject: Accordion to whom?
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Sorry for that stupid pun.
The accordion is more native to the Germanic region and the polka
tradition. Italian music uses the concertina, a smaller cousin of the
accordion, without a keyboard. In the tangos, there is usually a bandoneon
which has a similar sound to the accordion, but is again slightly
different in construction.

I merely had to show off my intellect and correct mistaken impressions.
paul
NP The Alarm: Live KBFH
   RHCP: Californication
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Paul's biweekly musical quote:

She just loves me/ for my big dic- -tionary/ She wants my vocabulary/
complete from A to Z.


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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:28:55 +0200
From: Jeroen Hendrix <jeroen.hendrix@wxs.nl>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4929
Message-ID: <376FB9C7.1B57@wxs.nl>


> While reading a LOT of argues about keyboards, I decided to throw in my
> gear.

OK, great idea for all keyboardplayers on the Jam...

> I'm currently using Roland JV-90 (w/ "Keyboards of 60's / 70's" and "Grand
> Piano" -patch card ) and Korg N264 and am damn satisfied with these!
> 
> --== Sami Poimala
> --== www.jyu.fi/~spoimala

Well, i'm currently using 4 Keyboards and no modules. But that's gonna
change in some time.
I'm using the Korg Trinity Pro, with FII-patches and Platypus-patches.
The Yamaha SY-35 and SY-55 but i'm gonna sell these 2 keyboards.
And last but not least...the Roland VK-7. Just bought it a couple of
days ago.
As I was telling, i'm gonna sell the 2 Yamaha's and i'm gonna buy the
Korg SG Pro X, The Roland XP-80 and the Kurzweil K2500rs....then i'm
finished...for the moment at least.

Jeroen Hendrix

-- 
Visit the EMOTION-page  http://fly.to/emotion

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:58:28 +0200
From: "Rajkai Peter" <peter.rajkai@mtt.hu>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: DT cover mp3s site updated
Message-ID: <376FC0B4.20451246@mtt.hu>


I've updated my site, if you have a minute, please go to
http://www.dtcovers.frag.hu

Thanks,
Bungle


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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:43:38 +0200
From: "Mark Bredius" <bredius@quicknet.nl>
To: "Ytsejam" <email_address_removed>
Subject: Download Chroma Key's "Even The Waves"
Message-ID: <19990622174358Z4013120-26636+message_id_removed.nl>


Hey guys,

For those of you who haven't checked out Chroma Key's
"Dead Air For Radios" album yet, we've just added a
full version (stereo MP3, CD quality) of the wonderful
song "Even The Waves" to the "Audio" page:

http://www.chromakey.com/?ytse

The website currently has eight full songs available
for download (for free)...

There are also three new reviews of "Dead Air For Radios"
in the "Articles" section of the site...

Mark Bredius
email_address_removed



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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:50:12 EDT
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Ramms+ein
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


anyone listen to rammstein?  My only experience with them
is the track on soundtrack to "The Matrix."  Is their stuff
all like that?  Anyone have any mp3s on their site, or
whatever?

there are sounds clips all over the web for Rammstein

try searchinf site with ubl.com

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:07:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: Kurt Hampton <email_address_removed>
To: Multiple recipients of list <email_address_removed>
Subject: Turning Discussion BACK to DT
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


I know htis IS an OPEn forum, but please, the Spock's Beard thing is
getting a wee bit old.

Anyway, someone mentioned WDADU's back cover. There are several different
versions of htis on CD. I believe I have an original Mechanic Records one,
with no pictures on the back. True it was rereleasd on MCA, but every
other one I have seen is by One Way records.  Any thoughts?
Also on my back cover, it's like they photocopied an LP album, I have
listings for Side's 1 and 2.

Kurt

******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~******  @----'--,---  ******~~~~~~~~~~~~~~******	
"I remember Now"
"Rodney King, what the hell is that supposed to mean? He's that guy."
 Airheads
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:00:35 -0600
From: "Korg Ecksthrey" <email_address_removed>
To: <email_address_removed>
Subject: LTE2 sounds like Christian Music (j/k) hehehe.
Message-ID: <000b01bebcd9$531283c0$message_id_removed>


> I have heard the new DT . . . it is called "When the Water Breaks"

You know, I haven't had time to listen to LTE 2 too much since I got it, but
all I can do is hope that the new DT sounds little like WtWB.  I mean, this
album is great, but imo, it's >not< DT.  In fact, I'm listening to When the
Water Breaks right now, and although alot of the thematics on it are great,
in >my< opinion it's very disjointed, boringly long, and downright annoying
at its deliberate progginess.

I mean, the shorter songs like Acid Rain and Biaxident are great.  Another
Dimension is pretty damn good, too.  It's just that there are alot of parts
in WtWB that sound to me like they were just randomly thrown in.  It's a
'jam' session of sorts so that's understandable, but it just totally
cripples the flow of the song to me to go from these cool interludes into
this "Let's see Altura try and rip THIS off" sort of thing.  Ah, well.
It'll still be interesting to see what the new DT album's like.  Personally,
I hope it's more like Acid Rain and Hourglass.  hehehe.  I think I'm losing
my prog edge.  Must...  listen... to...  Phil Collins...

And is it just me (I'll probably get hella-flamed by someone for this), but
does the intro to Biaxident sound like a tip of the hat to John Tesh or
what? :)  Serious, that piano playing sounds alot like something John Tesh
would do.  *ducks*
--
KorgX3


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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:15:03 EDT
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Bicker
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Just a little side-comment here:
I think that it is amusing how some sections of prog fans try to "make" other 
prog fans like the specific prog bands that the first  enjoy. That seems like 
an MTV mentality to me. "Like this because I do."

A condensed ytsejam argument into one post: (Feel free to copy down for later 
use)
Post One: [Insert Stupid Comment Here]
Post Two: [Insert either the "Who the hell are you?" attack or the "What the 
hell do you know?" attack
Post Three: [Insert Rebuttal With Increased Swearing]
Post Four: [Insert Ad Hominem Attack]
Posts Five - Sixty: [Insert Pointless Bickering and a million people just 
saying "shut up"]
Post Sixty-one: [Insert the "Lets Agree to Disagree" post]
Post Sixty-Two: Go back to post Four

seeyah
NP: A Change Of Seasons <--havent seen any np's that actually have dt in them 
for a while...

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:36:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <email_address_removed>
To: Multiple recipients of list <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: To Chris/not Amanda or anyone else...is that clear enough?
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


On Mon, 21 Jun 1999, J C wrote:

> Chris goes:
>     What's really cool about this post is that you said nothing, made no
> point and just threw insults at me.  See I like you, because that makes

<blah blah blah>

> Outlander out

Okay, if this was REALLY "To Chris/not Amanda or anyone else", why would
you post it on a public forum and not to Chris himself?

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Andrew Coutermarsh
email_address_removed
http://cout.home.dhs.org/
Cloak on IRC
ICQ: 2513441
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"What makes you strange is that you don't
understand that I'M the one who's normal."
  - Heidi Lacroix
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:36:01 -0600
From: "Todd Fostvedt" <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: Salvation on the radio waves in MN
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


>Just a quick note to all ye jammers that there actually IS a radio station
>that's just as "underground" as us.
>In the Minneapolis/St. Paul metro area, there's a station (albeit a weak
>one) that plays the following stuff during a very specific time of night
>every week:


The Root of all Evil

Playlist for KFAI Fresh Air Radio
Showdate 6-13-99
90.3 FM Minneapolis &
106.7 FM St.Paul - Minnesota Over a solid decade of Beer Farts & Belchs In our
13th Year of gaseous orifice escapage

Top 15 heavy noxious clouds :

1-Lorde of all Desires-"The Scent of Malevolence"-Root-O-Evil Records
2-S.O.D.-"Bigger than the Devil"-Nuclear Blast 3-Testament-"The Gathering"-Burnt
 Offerings/Spitfire 4-Marduk-"Panzer Division Marduk"-Osmose
5-WAR-"We are War"-Necropolis
6-Merciful Fate-"9"-Metal Blade
7-Em Sinfonia-"In Mournings Symphony"-Martyr Music
8-Deathwitch-"Monumental Mutilations"-Necropolis 9-Nightmare Lodge-"Blind
Miniatures"-Red Stream 10-V/A-"Roots IV (ZoSo)"-Root-O-Evil
11-Children orf Bodem-"Hatebreeder"-Nuclear Blast
12-Goatsnake-S/T-Main's Ruin
13-Tartaros-"Grand Psychotic Castle"(re-issue)-Necropolis
14-Immolation-"Failures for Gods"-Metal Blade 15-December Wolves-"Completely
Dehumanized"-Wicked World

Other stuff we blasted through our buttholes:

Dodheimsgard, God Dethroned, Sea of Tranquility, Rising Fall, En Garde,
Cathedral, Caudicity, Seasons of wither, Witchery, Bongzilla, GZR, Wierd Al,
Nevermore, Accept, Monty Python, Dimmu Borgir, Exhorder, Brujeria, In Flames,
Dead, Rev.Poky Bunge, Judas Preist, Overkill, Deicide, Gore Beyond
Necropsy, Hateplow, Mystic Charm, Porcupine Tree, Therion, Entombed, High on
Fire, Mayhem, Iron Monkey, Haste, Mythos, Cryptopsy, Napalm Death,
Neurosis, Hellecopters, Liquid Tension Experiment, Devin Townsends INFINITY, 6'
Under, Gorefest and Castrate.

Top 5 added ingredients (for texture):


1-Lorde of all Desires
2-Demoniac
3-S.A.T.A.N.
4-Cirth Gorgor
5-Orange 9mm

Top 5 requested after dinner mints:


1-Witchery
2-Sentenced
3-Brutal Truth
4-Disturbed
5-DRI/Cro-mags

Our special guests again were the members of LORDE OF ALL DESIRES ....I guess
they had such a swell time last week that they decided to try it again...this
time
bringing a few members of PENTAGORIA and hoping to see the now infamous
"Dick-Stick" rear it's ugly and swollen purple helmetted head! This did
(unfortunetly)
happen again and the Bitslap and the Michelle were "up" for the challenge and
presented the newly crowned champion with the coveted 8 and a 1/4 decree. Some
guys have all the luck....and others have a room full of dudes having a "dude
occasion".... complete with lots of bad jokes....extreme body odor.....pron and
wrestling
refferences....and the belching contest which proved to be more of a laugh-fest
than the measuring of the membrane. On hand for this event were the said band
members, Spooky B (aka Mr. Dark and Spooky...amoung others), the Scheck-heck
instant co-co and the Don-Don beer nuts, and another meeshell or mishall (and
she was doing her own measuring by the evenings end.. hey...is that your hand in
 his pants??) .....the contest even had a few phone callers contribute their
vocal
spewings and I was convinced that Spooky B and Ryan were gonna hurl with their
"dueling expulsions"..... you had to be there...really....I still don't know why
ANAL BLAST never showed...I guess we'll try next week. In the weeks ahead we see
 21st CENTURY SIN and OPAQUE making their way down to the
studio...along with COLD COLOURS and NOTHING...to name only a few.

ROOT-O-EVIL RECORDS UPDATES:

LORDE OF ALL DESIRES ADDS THIS WEEKEND and the results have been flowing in and
it looks like the response has been OUTSTANDING!!! We canot
thank everyone enough who added "The Scent of Malevolence" to their radio roster
 and charts. I am sure that this release will continue to remain high on the
playlists
and I thank everyone again who has shown this very deserving record any amount
of support!

If you are going to the Milwaukee Metalfest......make sure you see the LORDE OF
ALL DESIRES and the rest of the Root-O-Evil Records roster. Here is the
"tenative and arranged" schedule ...

FRIDAY JULY 30th

8:40 IMPALER
10:40 OPAQUE

Saturday July 31st

6:40 COLD COLOURS
8:00 LORDE OF ALL DESIRES

but you know other bands always seem to run long so stop by the Root Cellar
Records/Root of all Evil Booth for final times....ect...This is one Metal event
you are
not gonna want ot miss....it is bigger than ever this year!! Go to
www.metalfest.com for more info.

OPAGUE and COLD COLOURS are working on art and liner notes for their new
releases.....GOTTERDAMMERUNG is still in the studio mixing their "Twilight of
the Gods"......WALHALLA are busy recording their new full length (and probably
awaiting $$$ from yours truly).....NOTHING-"Nondescript" should be here in 2
weeks.......

The Root of all Evil is putting together a label sampler to commemorate our
first year Anniversary... (the labels inception was at Metalfest
1998!!)  It will have 19 tracks on it (almost 74 minutes of music) and
3000 will be made and given away at Metalfest and through radio worldwide! It
will feature tracks from all of the Root-O-Evil Records releases, some tracks
from
upcoming projects, other bands we distribute and 2 tracks from the first ROOTS
compilation but this time re-mastered for maximum penetration (as with a number
of other songs on this compilation)! Thease should be ready in about 3 weeks and
 we will get thease out to you radio people pronto!

More news that's unfit to print next week!

Send extra butt-juice for extra loud flappers to:

The Root of all Evil

636 N.Snelling Ave St.Paul-MN-55104
http://www.rootofallevil.com



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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:45:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <email_address_removed>
To: Multiple recipients of list <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: I&W as a first album
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


On Tue, 22 Jun 1999, Michael Zachariadis wrote:

> <excess garbage snipped>

> find I&W better than ACOS or anything else, as long as you have a
> personality and can make your own decisions about what you like most) is
> that I&W is not their first album, it's the second. The first was "When
> Dream and Day Unite" back in 1989.

Actually, you COULD say that Images and Words was a first album.  I for
one haven't listened to much of WDADU (I REALLY need to buy it), but I can
say this: With Charlie on vocals, it really DOES sound like a totally
different band.  So you could theoretically say that Images and Words was
a first album for the band as it was.  Somebody may make arguments about
how each time a new keyboardist was introduced to the band that it could
have been considered a first album, but to tell the truth, I don't really
hear so much of a difference in the sound of the band with the differing
keyboardists (well, there is difference in style, but I don't hear the
overall sound of the band CHANGING) as there was in the change between
Dominici and LaBrie.  I would have to say that I consider WDADU as well as
I&W to be two "first albums" by the same band.

> And a friendly advice to Andrew Coutermarsh:
> START DELETING

I actually managed to get through all those messages yesterday.  Took me
two and a half fucking hours to do it, though.  :)

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Andrew Coutermarsh
email_address_removed
http://cout.home.dhs.org/
Cloak on IRC
ICQ: 2513441
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"No one wants to fuck with a crazy person.  If
someone tries to mug you, The best thing you can
do is take out your money, and piss on it while
mumbling and ranting.  Chances are, they'll get
scared and leave you alone.  Of course, you'll
have to wash your money."
  - Norman Calkin, on urban survival
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:33:30 EDT
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: christian "music" and myung
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


><   believe it or not both Kings X and the Galactic Cowboys are 
"full-fledged  Christian" bands..   ><

Some people consider King's X a Christian band, and they have stated time and 
time again that they're just christians in a metal band. So both bands have 
written some anti-abortion themed songs, does that make them christians? now 
i could care less if they were christians or satanists. i wouldnt likely 
respect the latter, but it's the music that matters, and there's no such 
thing as christian music, just christians *making* music.

><   It very well could be - I've never seen the video, but I wouldn't be 
surprised in the least if Mike did pull it. Though the quality made it sound 
more like something that was recorded on a 4-track w/a drum machine than 
something taken from a video. It was on Precious Things, if I recall 
correctly.   ><

I think that song was Freeport Jam, or maybe Solar Groove. I had Precious 
Things, but it was defective, so I sent it back to Bahr and obviously never 
got it back. One of the songs featured Myung prominently, but I think the 
rest of the band played on it.

Jim

Np - Chroma Key, Vitalij Kuprij, and Trans Siberian Orchestra (Christian 
music?!)

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