YTSEJAM Digest 4913 Today's Topics: 1) Improv and 3 Minute Warning by "Christopher W. Ptacek" 2) Jump (absolutely no Dream Theater Content) by The Sandman 3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4912 by "Christopher W. Ptacek" 4) Re: Long songs... :) by Nicole Stachowicz McWatters 5) the meaning of Bombay by "Rahul Ananda" 6) Re: Nuff said by email_address_removed 7) Crimson Sunset by email_address_removed 8) Re: Crimson Sunset by trent 9) Return to Metalopolis / The BATS! / Vindaloo goodness by Joe DeAngelo 10) LTE2 - Yanni by Graham Boyle 11) Magna Carta whoopin' some ass lately? by Joe DeAngelo 12) Re: Bombay Vindaloo by email_address_removed 13) Re: Bombay Vindaloo by email_address_removed 14) Re: Long songs... :) by email_address_removed 15) Portnoy420!! Please explain the reasoning behind "Bombay Vindaloo!" by email_address_removed 16) $20 by "Trevor W. Hoit" 17) missing.... by "Gregor" 18) LTE2 by email_address_removed 19) RE: Passion Play by "xxx" 20) Herb's stuff by email_address_removed 21) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4910 by "email_address_removed.au" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:59:24 -0500 From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" To: Subject: Improv and 3 Minute Warning Message-ID: <001701beb85c$a5928ea0$7ad1fea9@madstation> Yeah, yeah yeah, 3 Minute Warning is an improv jam. My point was not that these guys "can't improv" because we've rarely been given the opportunity to hear them try (and fail or succeed.) My point is that most LTE stuff seems to be prewritten, as are almost all of JP's solos. This doesn't mean thay're bad... I had a long discussion with Gary from Shadow Gallery about the merits of composed solos and improvised solos... it all comes down to what seems most appropriate to the player. JP isn't the kind of guitarist who can improv like he writes. It's not been a goal of his. When he improvs in a groove, he seems to have a really immensely good sense of melody (which makes me dream of the day he releases a completely non DT solo album of tunes that show this other side of his musicianship.) I do not think that the guy is able to go nuts over changes. I don't think that's ever been a focus of his study (and if anyone says "He went to Berklee" I will destroy them). When I was referring to improv in a prog/fusion sense, I was referring to say... Allan Holdsworth, who I believe improvs all of his solos. That's always been his focus... big fan of jazz sax plaers and such. BTW, I am having a Trial of Tears crisis... anyone here heard Dead of Night by UK? Comparing the solos and the progressions behind the solos to one another... anyone think anything's a bit fishy? I was so amped about the fact that there were significant key changes in that solo... that maybe JP was going to explore a fusion route... and then I heard this tune from about 20 years before FII... and that Derek covers this tune with Planet X... ouch. :) Well, When the Water Breaks is enough to make me forgive just about anything. :) There's been a pretty positive response to the transcription board idea so far, so I will probably start work on it pretty soon, in one form or another. It'll either end up on digitalrodent.com or at Ivorygate... dunno exactly how this will be best worked.... I have a few ideas, but I would like to be more innovative than to just post asci tabs. Stay tuned. Chris Ptacek - email_address_removed "Everything that can be invented has been invented." -- Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:17:14 -0400 (EDT) From: The Sandman To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Jump (absolutely no Dream Theater Content) Message-ID: Man, I remember watching the video for Jump on MTV as a kid back when MTV had music videos instead of endless shows about people who don't get along with each other (like we don't see that every day). Which reminds me, I was also always a big fan of "Panama" (also from the David Lee Roth era). I don't have any Van Halen albums, but whenever that song comes on the radio, it always makes me drive fast(er than usual) :) SEE YOU IN THE FUNNY PAPERS!!! _____ _ _ ____ ___ __ __ _ _ _ _ __ __ _ |_ _|| | | || __| / / / | | \| | | \ | \ / | / | | \| | | | | |_| || |_ < < / | | . \ | | \ | \/ | / | | . \ | | | | _ || _| > > / /| | | |\ | | >| . . | / /| | | |\ | | | | | | || |__ / / / / | | | | \ | | / | |\/| | / / | | | | | | |_| |_| |_||____| /__/ /_/ |_| |_| |_| |_/ |_| |_|/_/ |_| |_| |_| http://www.erols.com/rtameo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:22:57 -0500 From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4912 Message-ID: <001d01beb85f$ef800120$7ad1fea9@madstation> > From: J C I was once like you, man. :) Even when the boat is full of holes you can sometimes paddle it in to shore. However, you can't do it when you've had your arms ripped off and your teeth kicked in. Some of what you're saying is just plain wrong, man. It's noble to want to make this a more pleasant place for newbies, but this is how newbies learn. Every one of us has gone through it (if we've ever spoken up). I was a SUPREME newbie back in the day. I was on this list from an AOL account and everything! :) You MUST look at the FAQ before you ask an obvious question. That's the way it is everywhere. There are great lists out there that will KICK YOU OFF if you don't adhere to this. It's one of the things that a new "surfer" has to learn to do. It's not unlike learning the more advanced options on a search engine. If the means are before you by which to solve your own problem, it's irresponsible to make someone else hand you the answers. I agree that there's no need to go off on someone when telling them to read the FAQ, but a person on this list who hasn't read the FAQ just has no leg to stand on. There's no argument to be made... it's in the first message you get, and the FAQ is more likely than not AVAILABLE wherever that person found the subscription information for how to join this list. Since this list IS a service, and does take some work to maintain, you just don't get the right to bitch about its rules. It's unmoderated. You can say what you want... there are a lot of cool people here... and one of the FEW things asked of subscribers is to adhere to the SIMPLE, CLEARLY STATED rules. It just isn't fair to the subscribers to make them deal with the same questions over and over again, and it actually TAKES MORE TIME to get a response back to your question than it would to GO READ THE FAQ. You just have no argument here. > >I think some people here are missing the point of having a FAQ in > the first place. > The FAQ was not created as an exercise to keep questions off of > the Ytsejam. Actually, you're wrong. It was created by members of this list for that purpose. It was in existence LONG before there was a regularly updated, well organized official homepage. This list was at one time the first and last stop for DT info... tha majority of the even MILDLY well done web pages on DT were related directly to this list, and this list is where the majority of even the REALLY LAME ones got their info. There isn't an argument that can be made to say that people on this list shouldn't have to deal with "go read the FAQ" responses. And you can go ahead and say "I wasn't trying to make any such argument," but it's gonna take a whole lot more than a bit of side stepping and circular reasoning to sell that one. READ THE FAQ if you are new to this list. It's a better source of answers to the older questions than this list will be, and you're bound to learn some new and interesting shit anyways. - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:14:40 -0600 From: Nicole Stachowicz McWatters To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Long songs... :) Message-ID: Hi again. :) Steve Chew wrote: >2112 -- I was listening to this top 500 countdown and this song came on and >it just kept going and going and it told this cool story about this >guy who wanted to play the guitar in this future society that hated >free expression and it must have been 20 minutes! I love it! >We have assumed control! I hope you're not the old-timer Steve Chew who was a frequent poster, like, 5 years ago. If you are, you should know this epic is by one of the greatest bands out there -- Rush! If not, um... I guess you know now. :) Speaking of Rush, whatever happened to syrinx.yyz.edu? Seems like it hasn't been updated in months, and I haven't been able to get the live MP3 stream to work lately either. Is the site dead? -Nicole/Kirby /me looks at Babs and shrugs... Guess we'll have to keep waiting. At least I got my confirmation email today. :) Nicole Stachowicz McWatters email_address_removed http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039 Kirby on irc.dreamt.org:2112 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:32 -0800 From: "Rahul Ananda" To: "email_address_removed" Subject: the meaning of Bombay Message-ID: Bombay (the word) doesn't mean anything at all. It is actually a corruption of "Mumbai" which is the actual name of the city. The British couldn't (for some reason) pronounce it correctly and it got mutated into Bombay. The same is true of India, which is another British word. The name of the country is actually Bharat. I _can't_ be the only other Indian person on this list...pipe up Partha! :) For all 32 (!) of you who e-mailed me requests for Vindaloo recipes, I'll post one to the jam tomorrow when my boss isn't looking over my shoulder. And in the new spirit of looking things up in FAQs, I won't tell you what Mumbai or Bharat means...look it up! :) -Rahul Ananda- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 22:54:48 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Nuff said Message-ID: >< I said that with sarcasm to make a point...you are as dense as a fuckin' forest Jim and from my "soapbox" I can see your silly, confused smirk. >< OK, so that was sarcastic and no one on this list is realy an "elitist egghead asshole." So then how bout a few posts back when you said everyone was making themselves look like dicks, or how bout calling someone "as dense as a fucking forest." *ahem* Anyway you look at it, you keep resulting back to the same rudeness, or flaming, that you're accusing others of. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:21:04 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Crimson Sunset Message-ID: Does anyone who has a son get chills when James sings those lyrics during The Crimson Sunset? It is one of the most powerful set of lyrics I've ever heard. Just wondering. TW "I sit down with my son, set to see the Crimson Sunset" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:30:14 -0700 (PDT) From: trent To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Crimson Sunset Message-ID: --- email_address_removed wrote: > > Does anyone who has a son get chills when James > sings those lyrics during The > Crimson Sunset? It is one of the most powerful set > of lyrics I've ever heard. > Just wondering. > TW > "I sit down with my son, set to see the Crimson > Sunset" I get chills listening to the song as a collective unit. James goes from kinda passive to just all out agressive. I've heard people verbally shit on this song (songs?) so many times and it kinda pisses me off b/c this is one of DT's greatest moments, if you ask me. === *Trent -- check out my mp3s -- http://members.xoom.com/cybertrent AIM- PageRiff ICQ- #39449102 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 00:14:59 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo To: email_address_removed Subject: Return to Metalopolis / The BATS! / Vindaloo goodness Message-ID: > > IMO, it's an > > unsung prog-metal classic like Chris Poland's "Return to Metalopolis" -- > > hard to find but worth the money. > Easy to find now. Reissued recently. CDNow. OK, this is very coincidental that somebody brought this up! I just saw the Chris Poland CD in the store the other day, and I'd NEVER heard of it...... but it just looked kinda like a prog or shred CD to me, and I was about to ask anybody how this is! What is it like? Opinions please!!! Amanda Rosenblum quoted me: > > P.S. Hey Brian, watch out for those fucking bats man! > > Lol! This has gotta be the funniest thing I've seen on here in a while, > other than the kinder, gentler Madsman ;) "I can't park here.. this > here's bat country!" *Joe bows* I think this would be great timing to start a PRIZE program. Funniest post of the day = Free LIE single??? ;) > /Al soaks penis in vindaloo / heads upstairs to tear up the little woman. I was gonna post some reply to this comment..... but I guess I can't really think of anything to say to follow that up! *LOL* -- - Joe DeAngelo email_address_removed ICQ # 1872723 -------------------------------------------- "Our worlds collide, now in disguise You'll feel the Wrath Divine Tears of woe fall from the sky..." - Symphony X, "The Divine Wings of Tragedy" --------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 14:25:40 +1000 From: Graham Boyle To: "email_address_removed" Subject: LTE2 - Yanni Message-ID: Carlos had previously mumbled: When the water breaks at the 9:30 mark : who invited yanni to ruin this kickass riff?!!!! I was being blown away these first 9 and a half minutes of the song when sudenly my musical hard-on went soft with this "nod" (i prefer rip-off) to yanni..... its vile. My first 2 listens have been most anjoyable to say the least and LTE2 is a nice taster for the next DT album. So what is WRONG with Yanni ? The guy has talent and is a great composer/keyboardist IMO. I can also high recommend the new Anathema 'Judgement' CD, IMO the best album from a British band in the last few years. Also currently enjoying the brilliance of new Amorphis and Children Of Bodom. Can someone who has the new Paradise Lost CD tell me how bad it is please ? Graham www.ozemail.com.au/~ytsejam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 00:53:06 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo To: YTSEJAM Subject: Magna Carta whoopin' some ass lately? Message-ID: Does anybody else here think that Magna Carta has just been puttin' out some AWESOME discs these last few weeks? LTE2 just kicks all kinds of ass Ice Age rules Dali's Dilemma rocks too OK, that's all for know. Feel free to discuss. - Joe DeAngelo email_address_removed ICQ # 1872723 -------------------------------------------- "Our worlds collide, now in disguise You'll feel the Wrath Divine Tears of woe fall from the sky..." - Symphony X, "The Divine Wings of Tragedy" --------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 01:02:08 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Bombay Vindaloo Message-ID: In a message dated 6/15/99 2:26:16 PM Central Daylight Time, email_address_removed writes: << A vindaloo is a potato. >> I've heard that you can make alcohol by fermenting potatoes. Another clue, perhaps? [eriC] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 01:03:46 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Bombay Vindaloo Message-ID: In a message dated 6/15/99 7:18:34 PM Central Daylight Time, email_address_removed writes: << Maybe Bombay is Indian for chicken or something. >> Or maybe it's a city in India...hmm...that's a thought. [eriC] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 00:12:59 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Long songs... :) Message-ID: >I hope you're not the old-timer Steve Chew who was a frequent poster, like, >5 years ago. If you are, you should know this epic is by one of the >greatest bands out there -- Rush! If not, um... I guess you know now. :) All that post was written from the perspective of the neophyte. It's all in character, of course he knows who Rush is, there's a lot of ironic humor in what he writes. I found the whole post to be rather funny, and accurate. Palpatine "Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "Perhaps god gave the answers to those with nothing to say"- Savatage: Somewhere in time "So You're saying that in your scientific opinion, Bess McNeil died from an overdose of... being good..?" -Breaking the Waves ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 01:16:37 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Portnoy420!! Please explain the reasoning behind "Bombay Vindaloo!" Message-ID: I think the title explains my plea well enough. Mr. Mike, sir...could you help us out? [eriC] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 23:25:32 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: $20 Message-ID: > Trevor> Get $20 off minimum purchase of $39.99 expires 7/1 > Trevor> > http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/redirect/leaf=from=bbt:y:yhp:jun20 > This doesn't seem to work for me. > Jason Try this one. http://cdnow.com/from=bbt:y:yhp:jun20 Trevor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:50:09 +0200 From: "Gregor" To: Subject: missing.... Message-ID: <003301beb88d$a504b040$5751fea9@flor> Well, i was off a while, and last night i read a lot of jams. Was quite funny, all this i miss... stuff. But then i realized that also a tough boy like me is touched by certain changes. I am ashamed to say, but .. I miss... Mike Portnoys long hair :( Where is it ??? Why he cut it?? Btw, the answer is not in the faq :)) And, maybe they should have changed band name, after the drummer changed his appearance, really, no doubt, absolutely sure. ;) cu Gregor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 03:02:06 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: LTE2 Message-ID: I got a couple complaints about the drums in this cd. . .I think it was Amanda that I am agreeing with on a past posting but Mike's fills are getting predictable and cheesy almost( no offense Mike) I believe he was doing it to give room to the other members of lte which did awesome and I love the sound all together and Jordan is making me lose a stool in my panties. I just dont like the overall drum sound I guess, one major cheesy part is at 1:44 on song 1. I think Mike could've have been a little more creative. Some parts sound like it might not be what the song called for. Otherwise I love the music!!!!!!!! CHuck ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:42:29 +0300 From: "xxx" To: "Ytsejam" Subject: RE: Passion Play Message-ID: <000701beb894$f5a11dc0$0c06a8c0@xxx> >Passion Play (Jethro Tull) -- Another album that's only ONE song. Sheesh, >that Ian Anderson guy loves his long songs... I had to buy two >versions of the CD since the first one had a break in the middle >where the original album had to be turned over. My new CD just >has one 42 minute track. Cool! Actualy the album has 3 tracks: "Passion Play" (about 15-20 min.), "The Story Of The Hare Who Has Lost His Spectacles" (the funny fairy tale) and "End", which is the conclusion of "Passion Play". You're probably refering to Thick As A Brick, which indeed was splitted on the vynil version. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 04:45:37 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: "INTERNET:email_address_removed" Subject: Herb's stuff Message-ID: Does anyone know if there is a site where I can download some of the songs Herb's has played on other than Primus. I have looked but I drew a blank. Thanks DavidC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:05:36 +1000 From: "email_address_removed.au" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4910 Message-ID: > > AND, on a related note, I want somebody's opinion on this: > Does anybody think that The Doors were (at least on some songs) somewhat > progessive? Once again, I don't mean that they were a Prog-rock band, > just that some of their wackier stuff had progressive elements. Or am I > just loony? > > Opinions, please! we all do it, but i think that at some point people must realise that all these things are merely labels. Generally its better to stay away from labeling things too much, it can just piss you off. I think the Doors had a lot of similar ideas to what prog musicians have, they just didn't call it prog back then. btw. on the Dave Matthews Band. In a Guitar World article Dave quotes one of his main influences as Robert Fripp. ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4913 **************************