YTSEJAM Digest 4906 Today's Topics: 1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4905 by email_address_removed 2) Contradictory Songs by The Central Scrutinizer 3) faq u 2 by email_address_removed 4) It's a new age for Madsman by "Christopher W. Ptacek" 5) NEARfest/Tim Alexander by email_address_removed 6) Jon Finn, and things that suck by "Al @ Switchcraft" 7) Re: Alan Skolnik by email_address_removed 8) Alan Parsons by Kevin Carmouche 9) RE: The reason for a FAQ by "Jonas Opsal" 10) This day in Progressive Rock history...kinda. by email_address_removed 11) RE: The reason for a FAQ by "Brian Hayden" 12) LTE 2 and Celestial Seasonings by Richard 13) Re: Contradictory Songs by trent 14) Re: Herb Alexander by "Michael Patrick" 15) Remote Hi-Hat Pedal by "Jason Barden" 16) dave mathews band-audience by Schnipp - 17) re: The big "M" by Brian Hansen 18) Re: To Kevin or not to Kevin by "Phil Carter" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 02:19:12 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4905 Message-ID: << Tim alexander used to play for primus, for some reason is now out of the band, and they brought in brain... tim was the man, not quite like portnoy, but still tore it up in his own right. i'm not sure what he's up to now but i imagine something in the musical realm... Lata T >> Tim is a bad ass drummer....he has a great style that he has developed. He left Primus because he was sick of being in a "funny" "non-serioise" type of band. Also because of tension growing within the band. Tim is with a band called Laundry now. Its kick ass progressive funky groovin music. I recommend everyone check them out. -Esh- www.phosphenes.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 03:03:55 -0400 From: The Central Scrutinizer To: email_address_removed Subject: Contradictory Songs Message-ID: >> I like those kind of contradictory songs: Another >> good one is Closedown by the Cure. >> >This brings to mind Bruce Springsteen's "Born In The >USA". The music itself sounds wholesome enough... How about the Police's "Every Breath You Take"? A beautiful little song...about a stalker. People play that at their weddings! Avoid the bulk of the new video rental releases for tomorrow. They stink. "Enemy of the State" in particular. If my bosses heard me saying this stuff, I could be in serious trouble, but I'm willing to lay it on the line for the 'Jam... You've been warned. Brian =================================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: email_address_removed ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ His Faithful Bootleg Page: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/Musik/Boot/ =================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 03:24:34 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: faq u 2 Message-ID: i'm not sure if the thread about the identity of KJLB's vocal coach was already resolved... but in case not, i thought i'd let y'all know that the basic biography on the dreamtheater.net webpage has the info you were looking for... again, sorry if this has already been answered. i just thought it was funny that some of us who exclaim "read the FAQ!" were debating a question answered in the basic bios. (dont attack me on this, i don't even mind the "threads from hell" that continue to recur :) directly from dreamtheater.net: <> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 02:49:06 -0500 From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" To: Subject: It's a new age for Madsman Message-ID: <002501beb703$8ca28a80$4c83fea9@madstation> After reading the last 5 jams silently, seeing some statements that make my blood boil, by people who tend to make my blood boil regularly, I am thinking that this is a new age for me. :) I can't believe I'm letting the bullshit that some of you just recently spewed slide. /me does the telekinetic bitchslap dance. Anyway, there are some comments on the last jam that bear addressing. In the last 5 jams actually, but this one is tame enough that no one will walk away in tears. > btw.. i'd like to comment on LTE2.. it's BAD ASS.. that's all there is too > it.. it's pure, untarnished fusion.. and after listening to it i'm all giddy > about hearing how jordan's going to perform in an all DT setting.. LTE2 is > monsterous.. .i can't believe how well it turned.. everyone on this list has > an obligation to buy this album.. LTE 2 is indeed a MASSIVE MASSIVE improvement over LTE 1. This stuff has boosted up my opinion of Mr. Portnoy enormously (always a fan, but I've been so into the fusion thing... digging the Chambers/Covington/Colaiuta kind of vibe lately). The guitar playing has taken a serious neo-classical turn at times. There are a couple parts of WTWB that sound like Tony MacAlpine. Jordan's playing is the equal of everything it's been, and his synth lead sounds are (unfortunately slowly) improving, to my ears. The music is much more structured and well thought out IMO... it just sounds to my ears like the guys are much more into this than they were in LTE 1... that or more comfortable writing together... or both. It's just a much more solid album. But to call it "fusion" is like calling Meat Loaf "prog." This is totally UNfusion. I don't hear anything that really sounds like honest improvisation, short of a few of Jordan's fills. This isn't a bad thing, per se, but I don't see how you could call this fusion. Go pick up some Tribal Tech or some early Holdsworth. Improv is a major, gigantic part of almost all fusion, as fusion is an offshoot of jazz. LTE2 is pure progressive music, by any definition of prog we use here... nothing more, nothing less. Planet X is great. I almost auditioned for their guitar slot once it was announced that Brett wasn't going to remain in the band... not like I would have gotten the slot... but now I hear Tony MacAlpine is probably going to fill in the gap. Incredible. The opening epic (3 part tune) is brutal, fantastic, original progressive, but with much more of a smooth feel than LTE. LTE is very much about chops at times... like "I'm going to play a solo, and show you that I am the king of this land" whereas Planet X is more engulfing. I think I like the albums equally. Virgil Donati probably has the most "limb independence" I have ever heard in my life. I get the feeling there are quite a few times where the guy is holding back, too. Derek has chops, and Garsed has chops. Great album. You will all say "Damn!" when you hear it, and many of you will go into denial about Derek's playing. He's a bad ass, and I still think he has the best lead sounds out of any keyboardist I've ever heard. EVER. I was thinking of starting a web based "transcription request" forum. The idea behind it is that I don't enjoy A). transcribing every note and every inflection through an entire song, when people generally only use transcriptions to figure out the hard parts of songs, and B). I don't like learning off of other people's transcriptions; in contrast, I do very much enjoy transcribing the tough parts of songs, and I do like to help people learn things that make them better players (because generally, I sort of get better in the process... it's all about ME, remember?) Basically, I figured I could set up a message board type thing where people could make specific requests, and then various people could fill the request. Could be a good learning tool for all involved. Any players who think this might be a good idea (any instruments) drop me an e-mail. Please no transcription requests yet. :) Later on! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 05:08:42 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: NEARfest/Tim Alexander Message-ID: Greetings all... Emerging from the shadows of lurkdom here to ask if there are any Jammers from somewhere in the Northern New Jersey/New York City area who will be attending NEARfest and would be willing to give a ride to a concert deprived, transportationally-challenged prog fanatic - namely me. I'm happy, willing and able to contribute money for fuel, tolls, lodging, etc. PLEASE respond via private E-mail. Oh, and by the way, Tim "Herb" Alexander has his own band these days, called Laundry. (No truth to the rumor that their next album will be called "Rinse Cycle". Sorry, I just couldn't resist.) Some of you may recall that this band actually put out its debut album, "Blacktongue," about five years ago or so, while Alexander was still a member of Primus. It's a great album, dark and heavy, with lots of Chapman Stick and percussive insanity. IMO, it's an unsung prog-metal classic like Chris Poland's "Return to Metalopolis" -- hard to find but worth the money. -- Jeff =^) NP (through the Discman's headphones): "Vertu" - fusion is BACK!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 04:12:34 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" To: retaehT maerD Subject: Jon Finn, and things that suck Message-ID: Thanks to the generosity of Jon Parmet, I have this Jon Finn CD... This dude's band is incredible! Not only can Finn shred with the BEST of them, but he has the RARE ability to make that geeetar TALK! And the bass player! woo hoo... Joe Santerre groves. The drummer is no slouch, either. The Jon Finn Group is truly a class act, you're doing yourself a disservice if you don't check them out. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DragynLMC3 wrote: >~Lisa is listening to Ytseradio and feeling all better! >"You suck" ~Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist Strong enough for a man, but made for a woman... NP: Jon Finn - "Don't Look So Serious" -- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When you live in the land of 10,000.00 lakes, it's nice to know that all men are created equal in cold water. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 05:17:45 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: "INTERNET:email_address_removed" Subject: Re: Alan Skolnik Message-ID: CyberDuke asked: > Who's this drummer Tim Alexander? Worked with someone else? Tim 'Herb' Alexander is Ex Primus drummer, and he's is very very good. If you've heard Primus stuff pre The Brown album then you will here Herb, he's got some awesome grooves and makes 4/4 sound interesting again, he's done quite a few side projects and I think he playing in a band called Laundry at the moment. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 05:07:45 -0500 From: Kevin Carmouche To: email_address_removed Subject: Alan Parsons Message-ID: Alan Parsons is exellent...If you like Pink Floyd I think you'll like Alan Parsons...He's very progressive in that his albums all follow around a certain theme(science fiction, Edgar Allen Poe, etc...) and his arrangements of his songs are great, also he has several instrumental tracks on his albums....I don't know, but hearing the full range of instruments on his music, from guitars to synths to choirs to saxes to orchestras just does it for me...hehe...He got his big start as a producer for Pink Floyd, taking over for Norman "Hurricane" Smith...went on and started his own project with an album using Edgar Allen Poe poetry as the basis for his work...Parsons himself does the producing, arranging, and minimal keyboard work on the albums, otherwise it is a revolving door of various musicians, but somehow there is a unifying sound between the albums...He's still out there, he's put a couple albums even in the 90's...On Air is a really good one, I also really like Stereotomy and The Edgar Allen Poe album(I have all his stuff on CD, so I am a very very big fan of his, you can't go wrong with any of his albums IMO....hehe) np: Shadow Gallery "Carved in Stone" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:59:30 +0200 From: "Jonas Opsal" To: "Ytsejam" Subject: RE: The reason for a FAQ Message-ID: <004001beb726$947cce00$c0e44382@janopsal> Jonathan Kretschmer answered.... > > Would it kill any of these "long-time fans" to answer someone new = without=20 > > treating the person like they dont have enough sense to read some = document=20 > > that they dont know how to find??? > > Well, no, it probably wouldn't kill us, but we tell newbies to read = the > FAQ because it answers all of the FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS. = Therefore, > those newbies are newbies no longer and don't ask questions that we = get > tired of answering over and over and over... How about politely telling them what a FAQ is and where they can find = it, in adittion to answering their question. Maybe just copy/paste what is = in the FAQ? What would be the big deal about that? If someone askes a "stupid" question, there is probably a reason why = they haven't read the FAQ, right? Example: Some guy is a DT "freak", but = doesn't have an internet connection at home, so he goes to the library (or = whatever) to borrow a computer with an internet connection. As he is surfing the = web, he discovers that there is a big community of DT fans out there! Maybe = he can get some of all his DT-questions answered? He sends an e-mail to someone (not nescesarrily the Jam) and askes why Moore left DT. In = return he gets "hatemail" saying "Read the fucking FAQ, dumb-ass!" The poor guy will probably never dare to contact another DT-fan again..... And = how the heck will he know what a FAQ is if he is new to the net? Most of the people who ask questions like that, are new to the internet, and will = probably find out what a FAQ is within a couple of weeks, but why not give them a = nice welcome? It would take you less time than you spend flaming someone on = the Jam anyway! You could even have a "template" e-mail saying something = like: You know, you can find most information about Dream Theater in the DT=20 FAQ (Dream Theater "Frequently Asked Questions") located on the=20 Official DT website ( http://www.dreamtheater.net ). Here's what the FAQ has to say about Space-Dye Vest: It's kinda' long, but it has all the information you'll ever want. -----FAQ------- 7.3 Where are the samples in "Space-Dye Vest" from? bla bla bla bla bla bla bla ...And you could customize it to answer the question asked! Is that too tough for you? Actually, I just used that e-mail (above) to answer a qustion about Space-Dye Vest. And when I was new to the internet, I thought it was GREAT to have people who could help me with things like that. Even after reading the FAQ 3-4 times there are things I have missed. Getting a "Read The F*** FAQ" -mail when I ask someone for something wouldn't help me too much. A nice mail saying "Hey pal, the answer is in section 5.8 of the FAQ ( + URL: )" would be great. I have nothing better to do right now.... Any Nightwish fans out there? Jonas Opsal - jonasops@online.no ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Surfing Into Infinity: (DT website) http://dreamtheater.tsx.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:49:52 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: This day in Progressive Rock history...kinda. Message-ID: June 15, 1215 King John of England sealed the Magna Carta, the first charter of English liberties, "in a meadow called Ronimed between Windsor and Staines," England. With the Magna Carta, King John agreed to the demands of English barons who wanted to limit the powers of the monarchy. [eriC] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 07:50:03 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" To: email_address_removed Subject: RE: The reason for a FAQ Message-ID: Responding To: "Jonas Opsal" Original Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 05:10:40 -0700 (PDT) > How about politely telling them what a FAQ is and where they can find = > it, > in adittion to answering their question. Ummm, everybody is told where the FAQ is. It's called a "welcome message," and you get it automatically when you sub to this list. It tells you where the fag is, how to unsubscribe, and the answers to the rest of those questions that some people keep asking because they're too lazy to read. -Brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:06:51 +0200 From: Richard To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: LTE 2 and Celestial Seasonings Message-ID: <37664FEB.7376@wxs.nl> Sometimes you learn a word and suddenly you find it popping up all around you, even though it must have been there all that time before... Something like that happened with the packet of "Celestial Seasonings" [Liquid] Tension Tamer tea displayed in the LTE 2 booklet. I can't remember ever having seen that particular brand of tea before, but ever since I bought the album (last Saturday) I've seen those packets of tea *twice*, once even the exact same 'Tension Tamer' type. I think that's worthy of notion, so I decided to share it with you guys. By the bye...expect an LTE2 review up at http://www.fortysecond.net/w3m3 before the weekend. -- \= Richard Karsmakers - email_address_removed - ICQ #18645533 =/ | STNICCC; Dawn Crosby; GWAR; Diskmags; Shred Guitar | | "ST NEWS"; "W3M3"; "Twilight World"; Plantiac; "UVK 2000" | | FOG; Detente; Fear of God; Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged | | P.O. Box 67, NL-3500 AB, Utrecht - The Netherlands | /===--------------- http://www.fortysecond.net ---------------===\ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 06:30:10 -0700 (PDT) From: trent To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Contradictory Songs Message-ID: --- The Central Scrutinizer wrote: > How about the Police's "Every Breath You Take"? A > beautiful little > song...about a stalker. People play that at their > weddings! That's really sick. People keep referring to it as a love song, and it's on all of those cheesy love song collections that are shown on TV. Have these people never listened to the lyrics? I've had that rolling in the back of my head for two years or something like that now. Some people really are idiots. === *Trent "They said that timing was everything, made him want to be everywhere, there's a lot to be said for nowhere." * Eddie Vedder, a man amongst men and all around cool guy _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 06:46:05 -0700 From: "Michael Patrick" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Herb Alexander Message-ID: >Tim alexander used to play for primus, for some >reason is now out of the band, and they brought in >brain... tim was the man, not quite like portnoy, >but still tore it up in his own right. i'm not >sure what he's up to now but i imagine something >in the musical realm... I know he plays (smokingly I might add) on Michael Manring's possibly-out-of-print album 'Thonk'. He actually share drumming duties on that with Steve Smith, so from a drum perspective the album rules, and from a musical perspective, it's got Skolnick and Morse playing guitar and Manring on everything else. He's also part of Attention Deficit with Manring and Skolnick. Hmmm...I see a pattern forming here. I think Alexander and Manring like playing together. Mike --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:42:10 -0600 From: "Jason Barden" To: email_address_removed Subject: Remote Hi-Hat Pedal Message-ID: >>< I have my aux. hat on a cable. This is called a remote, or cable, > hi-hat because it is a fully functional hi-hat, it can be opened and closed > by the pedal. The pedal for the remote hi hat is seperaate from the main hi > hat. >< > >> If it's separate from the main hats, then where is the pedal? Next to the >> main hi-hat pedal? next to one of the bass pedals? where? Wherever it's most comfortable and accessible. My Hi-Hat stand has swiveling legs so I place my remote on the left of my hi-hat, and my double pedal on the right of my hi-hat. I have all Tama gear so the foot boards are all the same and fit nicely together. I suppose you could put the remote pedal on the right of the double pedal (with the hi-hat on the left), but that would interfere with the action of the double pedal. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:21:18 PDT From: Schnipp - To: email_address_removed Subject: dave mathews band-audience Message-ID: hi folks, long time no see. about six months ago we had the discussion about DT sometimes interacting better w/audience than other times. a fellow jammer pointed out that he had witnessed the same phenomenon at a 3 1/2 hour DMB concert. back then you said you had a tape of that. now, i happened to come upon a DT gem which i'd like to trade a copy off in exchange for a copy of that DMB concert. mail to email_address_removed. thanks, schnipp _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:33:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen To: email_address_removed Subject: re: The big "M" Message-ID: > Now, years later I see these people who have some type of elitist attitude, > about how they cannot stoop so fucking low as to tell someone new who asks > "Whats the big "M" for?" the answer without telling them that they need to > read the FAQ Majesty (Previous name of Dream Theater). Unless you're talking about M********. Then it's Metallica. Then again maybe not. I'm all mixed up. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:32:46 -0400 From: "Phil Carter" To: A Ytse of Seasons Subject: Re: To Kevin or not to Kevin Message-ID: Greetings ye 'jamanoids.... TW says: >Hey everyone. I am a brand new jammer on the web but have been a DT fan for >years. and then went on to astound us with: >and reactions for a few days now. I find such senseless feuding about such an >unimportant topic-a change in keyboardist. > Can we please cut the controversy between K & D since the new album >will be a totally new experience for everyone? Holy cow. You *sure* you're a newcomer, dude? Welcome to the list, you'll get on just fine here. /me points a finger. "See, even the new guy thinks the KevMo vs. Derek vs. Jordan thing is stupid. Can we drop it now?" ta, Phil ================================================ Phil Carter -- email_address_removed -- Usefulware Production Dept. Official Glass Hammer website: http://www.glasshammer.com/ "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4906 **************************