YTSEJAM Digest 4864 Today's Topics: 1) Re: ROCK SHOW!!! by email_address_removed 2) Re: Learning to Live by email_address_removed 3) Re: Journey and Winger on eMpTyV???????? by email_address_removed 4) Tubes :) by "Al @ Switchcraft" 5) More Updates! by "Dreamgirl" 6) FINALLY Magna Carta sent me my Dali's Dilemma by email_address_removed 7) not literally... by Donnie Bowers 8) Re: Sterios & NATO by "Simon John Dodd" 9) Re: James' Voice by Andrew Coutermarsh 10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4863 by email_address_removed 11) Malmsteen... NDTC by "Lauzon, Gary: IHAB" 12) YJManking by David Dixon 13) [NDTC] Is TNMS down? by "Miguel Farah F." 14) Ambrosia and Eric Johnson? by Brian Hansen 15) Re: Journey and Winger on eMpTyV???????? by Al Balkiewicz 16) Feeling left out (NDTC) by joseph 17) Re: Rush song - help please by "Rahul Ananda" 18) Ozric Tentacles US Tour by Jon Parmet ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 01:32:09 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: ROCK SHOW!!! Message-ID: >< who needs eMpTyV, when we have vh-1's Rock show. Finally some good music on TV. I couldn't believe it when I saw AC/DC finally on TV!!! Rock-Show rules. Now lets concentrate on getting Dream Theater on Rock Show! >< All they show on "Rock Show" is Metallica. Although they did show Rush tonight, but it's not as if Rush is some obscure band. Still, VH1 is so much better than MTV that I'm confident they might show something on that show worthwhile. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 01:37:31 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Learning to Live Message-ID: In a message dated 5/23/99 1:42:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, email_address_removed writes: << Ever get pissed off that LtL fades out on I&W ?? Shit, I do. Especially after hearing the "full" version that they played live on the I&W tour (listen to the 3-4 minutes of "extra song" on the Dance of Eternity bootleg, for example). Even though it is sort of a straight forward jam, I like it. Knowing how the song should have ended, had it not been "Praternized", I cant seem to listen to I&W without getting that "blue-balled" feeling. ...... no comments from the amateur comedians out there ....... Anyhow, MP does have a version of LtL without the lame faded ending. And supposedly, a great drum fill is in there as well. Since they are in the process of finalizing the new record, I would like to propose that the full LtL makes it as filler on a CD single or Japanese bonus track or maybe part of the 1999 Christmas Present to the fanclub. >> Actually, The version we recorded in the studio for I&W did not have the same ending we tagged on live as we always knew it was going to fade.... Yes, I do have the original studio outtake in my archieve....but it only consists of us vamping for an additional minute or so (with some drum fills) and then some silly ending. You can actually hear this very ending on the I&W home video during the "in the studio" portion when the playback is rolling and me & John Petrucci high-5 each other and dance..... (an "end of drum tracks" ritual also documented from the Awake sessions on the 5Years video....) Mike Portnoy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 02:49:52 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Journey and Winger on eMpTyV???????? Message-ID: >< Turns out to be "The 25 Lamest Videos of All Time" They also played "Seventeen" by Winger and some Nelson song. What a shame...the only time we ever see REAL music on MTV and they're making fun of it. >< Winger is "real" music?? lol jim np - marillion, angra, fleetwood mac ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 02:18:01 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" To: retaehT maerD Subject: Tubes :) Message-ID: >KorgX3 squirts venom at AL. Oops, that's not venom... Perhaps Ytse-jam? You're gonna go blind, boyee! My guess is: You already need glasses. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Parmet wrote: >I hooked a 70W Dynaco Tube amp (mono) up to it; and as I cranked it up, >the anode looked over at the cathode and said "This one's gonna be easy, >Cathy :)". As the little puppy blew its shit with smoke everywhere, I I know Cathy Cathode! And her cousins Paula Plate, Phil Ament, and Gridly Screenhauser. They can be reached at: 5881 pentode Parkway Apt 6L6 Compactron, GE. Ahem... BTW, I have a MINT Dynaco ST-70, as well as a ST-35, Pat-4 preamp and FM-5 tuner. I take the ST-70 out once in a while just for fun. The other gear is packed away. Nice vintage gear! The ST-70 has undergone some surgery to update some of the circuits to modern standards and to replace most of the components with newer ones that have tighter tolerances. Result: A very nice, warm sounding amp, that's a classic. The old Dynaco gear will run circles around today's garden variety gear, and the stuff can quite often be found at garage sales for a fraction of the cost of modern garbage. If you ever run into any old Dynaco gear, PICK IT UP! -- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:03:59 +0100 From: "Dreamgirl" To: email_address_removed Subject: More Updates! Message-ID: http://www.angelfire.com/nb/NIXB/ Join Nikki's mailing list for news of regular updates to this site Never let go of your dreams .... Get FREE dreamtheater.zzn.com email at http://www.dreamtheater.net/ ___________________________________________________________ Get your own Web-based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 07:30:30 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: FINALLY Magna Carta sent me my Dali's Dilemma Message-ID: Well, its been 9 months since I sent my money into Magna Carta for Dali's Dilemma (believing the release date back then was only a month away). I will tell you that it has been extremely hard for me to see the release date get pushed back time and time again. And then last Tuesday it was official, but it took yet another week for it to make it to my mailbox. Talk about torture. I already knew that Matthew Bradley was an amazing vocalist (Craig Goldy, Explorer's Club), that Matthew Guillory would have been my choice of Jordan for the new DT keyboardist, and that Jeremy Colson liked to play his drum kit on CRACK (remember that one?). But the main thing that was the big discovery for me was the Reyes twins (father is Anakin). The bass solo on Miracles In Yesteryeat is very dynamic. And my favorite experience of this new (old) CD is Pat's phrasing. He knows how to make those Images and Words type runs (long jams with constant 16ths/triplets/16th note triplets) but he also has some great melodic sense. The band in general knows how to blend heavy, progressive, soul, melody, consonance and dissonance with intelligent songcraft. Not a weak link in the band (including the singer - the downfall of almost every band with chops). I can go on and on but comparisons will only detract from what this band really sounds like. I can't speak for you, but my $16 and 9 months of waiting was worth it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 04:32:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Donnie Bowers To: email_address_removed Subject: not literally... Message-ID: ---My apologies for misleading anyone... I have no idea if Portnoy can be heard breathing hard at the end of ACOS, however, I am fairly certain that he does... Can you actually hear it..? With my "50 dollar system" I would get excited if I could distinguish Myung in the background... There are some parts on Live at the Marquee that I wish I couldn't hear... Like on The Killing Hand when LaBrie just starts screaming, then he screams some more, and lastly, he does this scream thing... Generally I like it, however, on that particular recording, he goes a little overboard... Rock on James... Anyway... Anyone know of any good prog bands touring in Korea? Korea you may ask... Yes, much to my eternal dismay I have been stationed in Korea... Soldier in the U.S. Army... So, if anyone has heard anything... I would appreciate it... Furthermore, will LTE2 be released by the same label as LTE? Sometimes I am able to get the post exchange to order obscure CDs that they would never stock. One last thing... Any Richard D. James (a.k.a. Aphex Twin) fan out there? If so, how would I set up my stereo to make sense of those melodies? More specifically, the Richard D. James Album... How should that sound? Yikes! -begs of you to "let me breathe"- Donnie _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:39:28 +0100 From: "Simon John Dodd" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Sterios & NATO Message-ID: > I Don't think you could find 1498 CDs that equal I&W and APSog musically. > I'm being an ass, but it think you get my point. > > I have a HUGE record, reel-to-reel tape and CD collection. I don't think I could > find 100 performances that I would call truly Great... If you can, you set standards > much lower than I. Well, actually I probably could. But then again, that's because upwards of half my collection is classical stuff rather than rock/ metal / prog / jazz / blues, which is what I think most people on here are mainly into. Classical stuff tends to be...I hesitate to say this, but "better performed" than some of the above. Or something. > Simon John Dodd wrote: > >We're going to have to conceed the point to Al, folks. Because what > >he's saying is basically the same as all of us saying "Those people > >who only like bubblegum pop / Marilyn Hanson / whatever shit's > >making our ears bleed this week* (*delete where applicable) don't > >know any better, because they've never been exposed to quality > > I'm not quite sure how to take this... I hope it's not a exercise in sarcasm. No, I was serious. I mean, I've read it on this list several times. People have said that the eMpTyV generation are just sheep, and if they were exposed to quality music [on whatever sterio setup], they might enjoy it. It's just that they've never been given the opportunity to have their eyes opened. But I was thinking about this. It isn't a fair statement, when we examine it. After all, who says we know better? It's just that prog sounds better to us; so naturally we want to tell people when they're listening to what we deem shit, and turn them to the Dark Side, the nice, nice music you were telling me about, Stevie (name that paraphrase). But my flatmate from last year branded Dream Theater "Wank Theatre", 'cos he deems it shit. So we have to conclude that music is subjective. Now, the whole point of this thing with Al is: music is subjective; but is sound - i.e. the medium in which the music is delivered - also subjective? If we want to be scientific about it, everything Al says is right - I don't do a sound engineering degree for nothing. But as other people have already pointed out, different people hear different things, right? When I was a kid, I had a lot of ear infections, which screwed up my hearing to a slight extent. One of the results is that I like to take out a little of the mid-range frequencies, and put in a little more bass. That's a listening requirement; but in terms of opinion, I'd push up the treble when listening to Paradise Lost or Fear Factory, just to sharpen it a little. Now, in scientific terms, that's not what the EQ was designed for; and I won't dispute the notion that we're ruining the producer's opinion of good sound. But at the end of the day, if it sounds better to the listener, I'd say that it doesn't matter. Okay Al, you like an absolutely flat response, you want to hear it EXACTLY as the producer (take note here: as the PRODUCER, not the BAND) wanted it. But I don't think it's at all fair for you to say "Well, you're just using an EQ to make up for the inadequacies of your system" - so what if we are, we're just trying to get a sound we like. If I had your set-up, I'd be constantly fiddling with an EQ, depending on the song. IT's like saying that if I had JP's rig, I'd leave the EQ absolutely flat, because the manufacturer intended it to be flat; and anyway, it's worth $Xm, right? > >audio". Dream Theater, as far as we're concerned. Same as us > >poor sods who just don't know what quality audio sounds like, 'cos > >we've never worshiped at Al's Altar of a setup. > > You're being a dick... I think. No, I'm giving you a complement... Actually. > >Al also told us how much to spend on our sterio. Also, to pre-empt > >someone saying "$10,000 is a lot for a sterio". Well, most people > > I never TOLD anyone how much to spend, I only mentioned the price of admission. You're arguing about semantics. I wrote: > >on this list are musicians, and if they had the cash, they wouldn't > >even blink at spending $10,000 on their guitar rig / drum kit. And I'll bet that no-one who ajusts the EQ on their guitar rig does so to get a flat response. >NATO and some other stuff that everybody at my school is like What, the North American Terrorist Organisation? Si ------------------------------------------------------- "When a man lies, he murders some part of the world These are the pale deaths which men miscall their lives All this I cannot bear to witness many longer; Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home?" -Cliff Burton ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:41:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: James' Voice Message-ID: On Tue, 25 May 1999, Donnie Bowers wrote: > There are some parts on Live at the Marquee that I wish I > couldn't hear... Like on The Killing Hand when LaBrie just starts > screaming, then he screams some more, and lastly, he does this scream > thing... Actually, I was kinda curious as to whether or not somebody could distinguish something that I heard on an album in the background. In OiaLT, right at the beginning of Pull Me Under, James shouts something, but it's as if his microphone is off (which IS entirely possible). Does anybody know what he's shouting to the audience? ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.dhs.org/ _Cloak on IRC ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- The only stupid question is the one that is never asked, except maybe "Don't you think it is about time you audited my return?" or "But officer, isn't it morally wrong to give me a warning when, in fact, I was speeding?" ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:57:06 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4863 Message-ID: The rush song is Prime Mover (Alternating curents.....) It is from Hold Your Fire. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:06:00 -0400 From: "Lauzon, Gary: IHAB" To: "'DT'" Subject: Malmsteen... NDTC Message-ID: I was just talking on the phone with a bud and we're just wondering what Yngwie J. Malmsteen has been up to lately? Did he do something since Leviathan on Guitars that rule the world? Is hs still around manking music? Any answer would be appreciated. Mr. ProG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:31:37 -0700 From: David Dixon To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: YJManking Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C96056498093B8@messaging> <<<<< I was just talking on the phone with a bud and we're just wondering what Yngwie J. Malmsteen has been up to lately? Did he do something since Leviathan on Guitars that rule the world? Is hs still around manking music? >>>>> Sorry to waste bandwidth, but I find it rather humorous - I believe 'manking' rhymes with 'wanking'... 'nuff said.... :) David Dixon, MCP Consultant E-Commerce & Internet Technology Solutions Integrated Information Systems, Inc. email_address_removed email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:51:56 -0400 (CLT) From: "Miguel Farah F." To: email_address_removed Subject: [NDTC] Is TNMS down? Message-ID: Hi. I haven't received a single TNMS digest (the RUSH mailing list) in about a month. Does anyone know what happened to it? Is it down or is it just me? -- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@webhost.cl #include // http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel <*> "Trust me - I know what I'm doing." - Sledge Hammer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:42:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen To: email_address_removed Subject: Ambrosia and Eric Johnson? Message-ID: What a coincidence that Ambrosia and Eric Johnson are mentioned in the same jam... Here's some useless trivia for y'all: I used to work with a guy who knew the guys in Ambrosia. I was showing him the Ah Via Musicom disc by Eric Johnson, and when he saw that picture of Eric all made up (make-up, big hair, feminine look), he started searching the credits. Sure enough Eric had the same manager(?) that Ambrosia had. Apparently this guy liked to get his artists all made up until they looked like flaming hootenanies. I guess the guys in Ambrosia were never hot on the idea, but they went along with it (probably the worse decision they ever made). Why Eric went along with it is a mystery... my $.02, BH Hmmm. I wonder if this guy was managing Billy Squire when he flushed his career down the toilet... _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:44:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Journey and Winger on eMpTyV???????? Message-ID: On Tue, 25 May 1999 email_address_removed wrote: > Winger is "real" music?? lol > > jim Can't say much about Nelson, but I can say that there are some Winger songs, particularly off of "In the Heart of the Young", that were very very good. With a band that has Reb Beach and Rod Morgenstein, there *has* to be some saving grace on the albums, and there are..... Unfortunately, Kip got caught in the "cheez-fest" that was that era of music, and the band's rep couldn't get out of it. Hell, David Lee Roth had some cheezy ass songs when he had Bissonette, Vai, and Sheehan.....I wouldn't laugh at them as being called "real" music, especially compared to the stuff that's out there now... (coughcoughCREEDcoughcoughTHIRDEYEBLINDcoughcoughcough) -Al -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= w e w a l k i n t h e d a m a g e o f m a n k i n d -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= email_address_removed OR email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:50:30 -0400 From: joseph To: email_address_removed Subject: Feeling left out (NDTC) Message-ID: Hey all, Well, here in the Southeast, we were unforunately left out of the Spock's tour dates. I wish they would have at least come to Atlanta, or here (Orlando). Oh well. Could someone please post a setlist...so I can put myself through more torture? Thanks... Joseph ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 9:37 -0800 From: "Rahul Ananda" To: "email_address_removed" Subject: Re: Rush song - help please Message-ID: To answer Simon's question: The song you heard on the radio is, in fact, Rush. The song is Prime Mover from the album Hold Your Fire released in 1987. How this particular song ended up on the radio is beyond me. They (radio stations) usually play Time Stand Still when they have a hankering to play that album. "The point of a journey is not to arrive." -Peart (Prime Mover) -Rahul Ananda- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 19:35:53 +0000 From: Jon Parmet To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed Subject: Ozric Tentacles US Tour Message-ID: Found on rec.music.progressive: > From: email_address_removed > Date: 1999/05/25 > Newsgroups: rec.music.progressive > I got a note last week from the Next ticket agency > telling me that my Ozric tickets for the cancelled > show at the Paradise in Boston on May 13th will be > good for July 7th. Although there's no mention on > the OT web site yet, it looks like they got the tour > going again. > --Dave ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4864 **************************