YTSEJAM Digest 4826 Today's Topics: 1) Alice in Queensryche's Chains by Chris Jerolamon 2) Depressing music... by Dave Ware 3) depressing muzak by Joshua Rasiel 4) Growled Vocals (was: Re: Depressing Music) by Rogerio Brito 5) RE: Depressing Music by "Dave Thomas" 6) dirges by David Dixon 7) RE: Depressing Music by Andy Putman 8) Depressing by Kevin Carmouche 9) Re: Depressing by "Brian Hayden" 10) Depressing tunes by Joe DeAngelo 11) the REAL depressing music by email_address_removed 12) Re: the REAL depressing music by prog 13) Re: Depressing Music by prog 14) Re: LTE2 cover by Vince LuPone 15) Re: Depressing Music by email_address_removed 16) amen by "J C" 17) Frutty Loops by CyberDuke 18) Depressing Music by email_address_removed 19) The Gig From Hell by Andy Putman ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:29:48 -0700 From: Chris Jerolamon To: "email_address_removed" Subject: Alice in Queensryche's Chains Message-ID: "Haji's Kitchen is not the only band ripping off their stuff these days. I can't believe AIC broke up . They're the best band to come out of Seattle since QR." Not to mention that AiC sounds somewhat influenced by QR at times, especially the guitar work in their "Facelift"-era. And then I found out that Chris DeGarmo (ex-QR, for those who don't know) is now playing with Jerry Cantrell (ex-AiC). But has Alice in Chains really broken up?...I thought they were just put on hold while Layne Staley goes through another rehab stint. -- *Chris Jerolamon* ********************************* * If you choose not to decide, * * you still have made a choice * (I like this quote the way it is) * ...Rush * ********************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:23:52 -0500 From: Dave Ware To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Depressing music... Message-ID: <82CD0BD64E68D211BDA00060975B3ACF31A662@bham-xchg1> Hey, Pink Floyd can be incredibly depressing yet it somehow always lifts me up, I have to put Chromakey in the same, depressing yet uplifting category too. Most of the Goth stuff my wife used to (still does occasionally) listen to always gets me down (that could be the complete lack of talent though) and Lynard Fucking Skynard, but then I am living in Alabama now. Having said that (and I don't want to bring people down here) one of my friends died a while back, a chap by the name of Paul Miller (he used to write for Kerrang in England, he was from my home town of Portsmouth). Anyway at his funeral they played Freebird, it was an incredibly sad and poignant moment as we all shuffled past his coffin, a sea (literally hundreds) of denim and leather clad mourners, I can't listen to that song without thinking of Paul. We all went to his local pub afterwards and got completely hammered and had a damn good laugh, he would have liked that. Dave (a UK jammer, now in Alabama). NP: Chromakey (again, will this bugger ever leave my changer....?). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:37:12 -0400 From: Joshua Rasiel To: email_address_removed Subject: depressing muzak Message-ID: Korgie Porgie lamented: >although there are hardly any bands that only play depressing stuff. :\ The only >whole album I can think of is The Cure -Disintegration. The cranberries are also very depressing. I think every song off the second album is all depressing, or at least morbid. Sorry, I forget the name of that album. I usually just call them the black, white, and yellow albums - this is the white one. Perhaps I will check the name right now. No, I don't think I will. -- Joshua Rasiel email_address_removed www.j51.com/~mrasiel Churchill's description of history: "It's just one damn thing after another." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:42:45 -0300 From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Cc: email_address_removed.br Subject: Growled Vocals (was: Re: Depressing Music) Message-ID: On Apr 22 1999, prog wrote: > most of the people that dont give a chance to bands with growled > vocals are really losing on some great bands with great musicianship > and /or great lyrics... and after a while..you grow fond of those > growls ( the death low ones at least...i havent been able to get > past those high screechy doom ones) Well, I happen to agree here (and my favorite band is a Death Metal band, Opeth; three or four years ago I would never think this were even remotely possible). Anyway, I also have some problems with some high vocals such as those from In Flames and Dark Tranquillity, not to mention with the production of their earlier albums. The music is so incredible, but the guitars are so high (I'm thinking of In Flames' "The Jester Race" here), but since I'm more or less of an audiophile, the sound quality of a recording really can influence what I think are my favorite albums (that's one of the reasons why I love the sound of Metallica's "The Black Album" -- the production is actually very good). On the other hand, back to the subject of vocals, I have no problems with *some* high vocals such as those from Emperor's "Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk". []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ (still an) Ugrad. Comp. Science student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Nectar homepage: http://www.linux.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/opeth/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:44:04 -0700 From: "Dave Thomas" To: Subject: RE: Depressing Music Message-ID: <001001be8dd2$694aa220$046400c0@oemcomputer> > -----Original Message----- > From: email_address_removed [mailto:email_address_removed Behalf Of prog > If LYRICS you want.. or is it the vocals exactly? because > you can try My Dying > Bride's Angel and the Dark river album....it doesnt have > growls on it.. but the > vocals arent "prog like" but the lyrics are beautiful and > depressing... most of > the people that dont give a chance to bands with growled > vocals are really losing > on some great bands with great musicianship and /or great > lyrics... and after a > while..you grow fond of those growls ( the death low ones at > least...i havent been > able to get past those high screechy doom ones) Nope, sorry. I've tried, but I CANNOT get past the annoying moans that substitute for singing in a lot of these bands. Take Opeth, for example. The music is moving along, sounding really cool, then some guy shows up making the patented "death" vocal sounds, which simulate someone swallowing acid while coughing up glass. It completely ruins everything. If I want to hear the sounds of someone coughing up a hairball, I'll listen to my cat. I think the growls ruin a lot of what could be very interesting music. Too bad. I suppose I'm considered shallow or small-minded, but I cannot and will never be able to take music with such annoying vocalizations. Now, if it's depressing music you want, I say look no further than Nine Inch Nails or Skinny Puppy. I can listen to pretty much anything while I work, but any NIN besides Pretty Hate Machine and any SP CDs I have can pretty much make me head for the knives in the kitchen. Well, a bad TV show can make me head for the knives, but that's a whole other story. Dave Thomas - Editor, Pixel Planet Reviews of books, music, comics, movies, games, CG software, programming tools and more! http://www.pixelplanet.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:52:35 -0700 From: David Dixon To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: dirges Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C960564980937E@messaging> Nope - I love the stuff - here's my favorite songs to listen to when I'm depressed (and note I didn't say "depressing songs" - there's quite a difference): Alice In Chains - Nutshell Tori Amos - Hey Jupiter Black Sabbath - Planet Caravan (Pantera's version is more moody, IMHO) Chroma Key - On the Page Collective Soul - The World I Know Collective Soul - Bleed Down - Jail (GET THIS CD) Dream Theater - Space Dye Vest Fates Warning - A Pleasant Shade of Gray Fear Factory - Timelessness Gordian Knot - Reflections Dave Matthews Band - The Dreaming Tree Megadeth - Mary Jane Megadeth - In My Darkest Hour Metallica - Call of Ktulu Nine Inch Nails - Hurt Nine Inch Nails - Something I Can Never Have Pantera - Floods Pantera - Suicide Note Part I (a true "depressing" song) Pink Floyd - Coming Back to Life Pink Floyd - Comfortably Numb Queensryche - Silent Lucidity Joe Satriani - Tears in the Rain Type O Negative - Red Water (Christmas Mourning) Type O Negative - Love You to Death Type O Negative - Haunted Type O Negative - Bloody Kisses Type O Negative - Everything Else... VAST - Touched Weezer - Only in Dreams (yes, Weezer...:) ) David <<<<< I thought I was the only person that could enjoy listening to dirges and suchlike all day. -- KorgX3 is sad. >>>>> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:28:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Andy Putman To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Depressing Music Message-ID: > Nope, sorry. I've tried, but I CANNOT get past the annoying moans that > substitute for singing in a lot of these bands. Take Opeth, for example. The Growling can be good in small quantites. My band does a cover of "C is for Cookie" with me growling along:) Anyway, some bands can pull it off, but all too often it's just horribly detuned guitars and repetitive double bass work. If the growls add to the song, good, but only in a couple of instances (ie Death) can I take an entire album of it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:41:51 -0500 From: Kevin Carmouche To: email_address_removed Subject: Depressing Message-ID: Well, I get depressed everytime I turn on the radio, flip through channels and hear in succession Puff Daddy, Better than Ezra, N'Sync and whomever the latest Pearl Jam ripoff of the moment is. Then I get really depressed when I realize that people actually like this crap. Seriously though, for some "depressing" lyrics, and/or sound" look at alot of Pink Floyd's stuff, songs like Hey You, Comfortably Numb, and the album Animals...all those are pretty heavy duty.... np: Phish "Lawn Boy" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:55:30 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Depressing Message-ID: Responding to the message of from email_address_removed: > Seriously though, for some "depressing" lyrics, and/or sound" look at alot > of Pink Floyd's stuff, songs like Hey You, Comfortably Numb, and the album > Animals...all those are pretty heavy duty.... Pink Floyd's "Division Bell" is a good album for this, especially "High Hopes." Let's see...Zeppelin's "Ten Years Gone" and some others...Most of Counting Crows "August..." album...Pearl Jam's "Ten"...Megadeth in general, especially the album "So Far So Good So What"...Soulfly...Sepultura...definitely Chroma Key... -Brian ------------------------------ No hope. No fear. -Max Cavalera ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:06:52 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo To: YTSEJAM Subject: Depressing tunes Message-ID: I agree with many of the suggestions others have made (including ChromaKey, My Dying Bride, and for pure emotion-Savatage), and here's another one for you. Anathema's "Alternative 4" and "Eternity". Very good (clean-vocalled) mellow, depressing doom-metal. -- - Joe DeAngelo email_address_removed ICQ # 1872723 --------------------------------------- "Fuck trends, and fuck posers" - Jon Schaffer, Iced Earth --------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:40:56 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: the REAL depressing music Message-ID: None of the depressing stuff mentioned before even comes close to reaching the depression of My Dying Bride. Their cd "Angel and the Dark River" is by far the most depressing cd ever made, and Anathema's "Eternity" comes very close. -Nick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:02:57 -0400 From: prog To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: the REAL depressing music Message-ID: email_address_removed wrote: > None of the depressing stuff mentioned before even comes close to reaching > the depression of My Dying Bride. Their cd "Angel and the Dark River" is by > far the most depressing cd ever made, and Anathema's "Eternity" comes very > close. > > -Nick I think i sort of mentioned "angel.." but then again..nothing is more depressing than listening to 34%... , the depressing part being a total waste of what used to be an excellent band.. -- Carlos A. Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:email_address_removed ICQ # 1254229 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:03:34 -0400 From: prog To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Depressing Music Message-ID: Dave Thomas wrote: > I think > the growls ruin a lot of what could be very interesting music. Too bad. I > suppose I'm considered shallow or small-minded, but I cannot and will never > be able to take music with such annoying vocalizations. > Sort of like those high screechy annoying vocalizations from that singer in dream theater huh?! Their music is awesome..i just cant stand those castrato singers.... you see...its all in the ear of the listener...what could be your favorite vocalist could be just a screechy hair band wanabe for another person.... > -- Carlos A. Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:email_address_removed ICQ # 1254229 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:33:49 -0600 From: Vince LuPone To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: LTE2 cover Message-ID: At 03:56 AM 4/23/99 -0700, you wrote: > >A scan of the LTE2 cover seems to have appeared at: > > http://www.mediusvision.com/lte/index.html Wow, Petrucci is a hippie and Portnoy is Tom Cruise. Cool :) >I prefer the LTE1 cover. I could care what's on the cover, but that's just me :) I didn't like the last two DT covers, but the music was incredible. Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, Vince LuPone Guitarist for Obscure http://www.ivorygate.com/obscure/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 02:43:33 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Depressing Music Message-ID: No one's mentioned Queensryche: Promised Land. very depressing for the most part. Black Sabbath is depressing i guess. REM can be pretty depressing, as can the band Therapy? and also therion on their Vovin album, but its the music in that case, not the lyrics. and yes, like someone else mentioned, i get depressed when i turn on the radio and listen to music. so i dont do that anymore jim np - fates: apsog...also depressing ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 03:01:50 EDT From: "J C" To: email_address_removed Subject: amen Message-ID: >what DT would sound like on old shitty equipment, so the challenge is DT come round my house and get to play all the crap equipment we've got here, Old Bob the Bass, nasty 5 string guitar, GEN ???000 keyboard I bet they'd sound better than you :-) 8p hahahahahahahaha 8P I KNOW THEY WOULD....any stringed instrument relies on the players hands for up to half the overall tone ive seen guys play the worst instruments you can imagine...(the ones no one could make sound good)..and make them sound like a professional rig which is very intimidating when you consider the fact that their real gear is phenomonal ....i mean...their studio sound _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 01:30:17 +0200 From: CyberDuke To: YtseLand Subject: Frutty Loops Message-ID: Hi, anyone out there with some experiences in this program??? I was told it is quite good for beginneres making music on computer, multi-channel mix possible, plug in geetar or else 'n play, using any WAV I want for a sample etc... So far I found out only how to program a repetative drums! :) Err, where's all the other stuff mentioned above? :) Someone at leats point me the direction to search in, pliz! Private e-mail, or if ya think it would be cool to say it publically - I don't mind! Thanx, -- CyberDuke "Now that I know that I'm breaking to pieces I'll Pull out my heart and I'll feed it to anyone Crying for sympathy crocodile cry for the love of the crowd and the three cheers from everyone ..." The Cure - Disintergration _______________________________________________________ Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail email_address_removed.mk ICQ# 17392722 _______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 04:47:15 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Depressing Music Message-ID: Check out Portishead...they are not prog rock or anythign along those lines....Its called Trip-hop, for when your faded or depressed or want to be depressed. ~Esh~ http://welcome.to/Phosphenes ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:47:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Andy Putman To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: The Gig From Hell Message-ID: Well, I think a lot of the musicians on the list can relate, and I'm in a particularly pissed-off mood, so I think I'll vent for a while. I just got back from what may be the worst possible gig. First, we get there and discover that they have no monitors. Ok, we'll just turn the amps up. Of course, since the air conditioner was broken, the heat caused my amp to promptly start overdriving like hell on the clean parts, so we had to turn down. Next, the soundman was incompetant. He mixed the bass so loud that we nearly blew the house PA (it was SO FUCKING distorted), and the guitar and vocals were unintelligable. Everything was drowned out by the drums, since the rooms was so small that no matter how quietly our drummer played, the echos ravaged everything in their paths. Next, a large group of drunken mexicans came in, and started moshing. This would be cool, but to do this they have to throw a table across the room, knocking over several candles and nearly burning the building down. Hell, they were so violent I half expected them at any minute to rush the stage and kick my ass. Next, someone pulled the fire alarm during our intricate instumental, and no one knew how to turn it off. We fell apart then 'cause we weren't sure if we should keep going or not. We had to finish our set with the damn thing going. I just don't think they were equiped to handle anything quite as loud and abusive as we are (most of the people who play there are far more straight-ahead rock, or even folk). It was painful to even listen to the tape. The sad thing was that it was by far the biggest crowd we've ever drawn:) I need people to commiserate with; does anyone else have a similar story to tell? I've never been to (much less played) a show plagued by quite this many problems before. -Andy Putman ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4826 **************************