YTSEJAM Digest 4819 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Recommendation Wanted by Syrinx 2) porntoy is a machine by "Trevor W. Hoit" 3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4818 by Matej Grginic 4) MP1000 by "J C" 5) by "J C" 6) by "J C" 7) RE: MP1000 by "Geoff Stephens" 8) 1st DT experience/Other cool DT Australia info by Luke Bateup 9) Re: Recommendation Wanted by "Harry D' Amour" 10) Re: MP1000 by Frank Benenati 11) Chaquico by Barbara B 12) Happy Birthday, Mike! by "xxx" 13) Drum Machines... by Dave Ware 14) by "Bernard, Chris" 15) Re: Drum Machines by "Sasha C." 16) I&W drum machine by Steffen Barabasch 17) Re: Drum Machines by "Phil Carter" 18) Re: Drum Machines by prog 19) Re: DT drum machines... by Josh Brand 20) 420 by Chris Calabrese 21) Mr. Sandmann by "Robert Sindermann" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:53:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx To: "Bernard, Chris" Subject: Re: Recommendation Wanted Message-ID: > Spanish/Flamenco, etc... doesn't matter at this point, i wanna try it all. > :-) -- feeling and composition are. > If any of have favorites, please let me know. You might wanna try "The California Guitar Trio" on Robert Fripp's label, Discipline Global Movile. They are 3 guitarists trained in the RF style (New Standard Tuning) but play in a very "together" sort of way - kinda like a mexican restaurant. :) They've got 3 releases, and their website is at http://www.cgtrio.com - mike. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:00:56 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: porntoy is a machine Message-ID: > I don't know whether virtually every albulm by any band these days is > recorded with drum machines or not, but I was wondering whether I&W was > recorded with the use of a drum machine? Of all the DT albulms I've heard > (all of the albulms they've produced), I&W sounds most like it has a drum > machine. Nope, it's a live drummer, but the drums are triggered, which means when he hits a drum, a pre-programmed sample of a drum sound is played/recorded. That's why all the snare sounds the same. Or something like that. I know fuck all about drums. Trevor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:17:05 +0200 From: Matej Grginic To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4818 Message-ID: >I posted a message about Bill Dickens before. An awesome bass player. I >went down to Bass Alone in San Diego and got to get my hands on one and it >was an awesome experience. They didnt have the 7 or 9 string bass but the >Conklin 6 string was just awesome. Oh and the tuning on a 7 string is the >same as a 6 except for the lower F#. It kills the yamaha TRB 6 II bass I >own now. Also in musicians freind I noticed John Myung's bass being sold >now. Anyone play it yet? I am curious to see how good it is since it is less >expensive. Also Happy Birthday to Mike Portnoy. > >Later Jammers, >Justin Sepulveda I'm gonna check this Dickens character real soon. Sounds like an extremely interesting bass player. Any solo albums, or band enviroment worth checking out? I play a Yamaha TRB6II and it's by far the best bass I've ever held in my hands, and I tried ALOT of highend basses. This Conklin sounds like a killer bass then, wish I could try one out here in EU. Gonna check out Myung bass too, but if you have TRB6II, you already have a bass by far superior to the new Myung model in every aspect, except maybe if you have very small hands, Myung one has smaller string spacing. Turn on the bass! Matej ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:27:49 EDT From: "J C" To: email_address_removed Subject: MP1000 Message-ID: but I was wondering whether I&W was recorded with the use of a drum machine? Of all the DT albulms I've heard (all of the albulms they've produced), I&W sounds most like it has a drum machine. Cheers Niall Yes Niall...they do...as a matter of fact they use it live too Its called the MP1000...it hauls ass in perfect time huh?? _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:41:41 EDT From: "J C" To: email_address_removed Message-ID: hey. i was listening to awake. and on erotomania...around 5:30-5:45 is a cool guitar ,drum,and bass riff. check it out, its pretty fast, you may miss it. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:40:39 EDT From: "J C" To: email_address_removed Message-ID: hey. i was listening to awake. and on erotomania...around 5:30-5:45 is a cool guitar ,drum,and bass riff. check it out, its pretty fast, you may miss it. WHAT????!!!!!!! _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:57:50 -0500 From: "Geoff Stephens" To: Subject: RE: MP1000 Message-ID: <000501be8b25$0371e800$message_id_removed> Not many people know about that. I&w was done mostly using a drum machine. Too bad no one pays attention. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:01:03 +1000 From: Luke Bateup To: ytsejam Subject: 1st DT experience/Other cool DT Australia info Message-ID: Hello, My 1st DT experience; friend 1 saw the JP article in GW around the time Awake came out and thought they seemed like a pretty cool band based on the article. So he order Awake. Waited about ONE FUCKING YEAR for the disc to come in due to several delays, but finally he got it, paid something like $40 for it and disliked it due to the vocals. Anyway, this friend 1 was playing Awake in his car one day and friend 2 was present and took an interest in Scarred. He borrowed the disc and soon enough fell in love with it. He showed them to me - I hated them since they were metal (I was into rap, alt/grunge shite back then) but something about the music made me want to keep listening, I found their music unpleasant at the time, but unpleasant in a unique sort of way. I taped Awake eventually since curiosity got the better of me and eventually I found myself thoroughly enjoying it. And as the saying goes, I haven't looked back since.... And now for some cool Australian DT info - no, I haven't got the news we all want to hear about an Australian tour, but as if finding out there was a fellow DT-ist in the same street as me was exasperating enough, I now see a TV ad for a local music store the other day and what background music do I hear? LIE! :) Stoked. (Please remember the 'lack of fans' predicament us Australians keep whinging about and take it into account) :) Btw, Australian jammers, I don't know if this has been posted here, but Gary Carson's 'Screaming Symphony' prog metal radio program is now of PBS Melbourne. This is a big step as the flood of petitions they received was so overwhelming (the largest amount of petitons they'd ever received) they had no choice but to allow the program onto their airwaves. Gary can be contacted at email_address_removed.au for the frequency/program times, etc. Cheerin' Luke. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:59:24 +0300 From: "Harry D' Amour" To: Subject: Re: Recommendation Wanted Message-ID: <199904201210.PAA02948@forthnet.gr> >Jim Matheos' solo album. Don't know the name, but he's only had one so far It's called First Impressions. Actually, his second album Away With Words is ready and about to be released. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:37:47 -0400 From: Frank Benenati To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: MP1000 Message-ID: Actually, I think you're a bit off the mark here. We're quite certain that the snare drum sound that you hear is a sample, but this does not mean in any way that Mike Portnoy didn't actually play the part. It's very easy to either replace or duplicate a snare drum track with a sampled drum, using some and not so sophisticated equipment. But by saying that I&W was done by 'mostly using a drum machine' gives off the impression that MP sat in a chair and hit buttons on a little box, instead of hitting drums with sticks. -mojoman Geoff Stephens wrote: > > Not many people know about that. I&w was done mostly using a drum > machine. Too bad no one pays attention. -- /\ /\ \_\/_/ . / _ _ \ . |\ |(*)(*)| /| #-----------------OOO---oo---OOO------------# # Frank Benenati - email_address_removed # # "Some of the nicest people are dogs" # # - Richard Dean Anderson # #__________________________ooo______________# ooo (_) (_) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:42:54 -0400 From: Barbara B To: email_address_removed Subject: Chaquico Message-ID: And even though some people will >disagree, I recommend Craig Chaquico's "Once in a Blue Universe." Save that one for last or something though... It's alright, but nothing astonishing. Hello everyone, it's Babs. I just wanted to comment that it was good to read the above comment. Being that I broke down two years ago and finally bought a cd player, I've been taking my time building my rock and jazz collection. I've been scouring playlists, etc. and bought Marc Antoine's, Madrid after seeing that it was number one on a lot of jazz stations around the country. I find it to be good listening. I also have seen Chaquico's name come up on these lists and wondered if his stuff was any good. Is there anybody else on this list who might know a little bit more about his past acoustical work? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:08:43 +0300 From: "xxx" To: "Ytsejam" Subject: Happy Birthday, Mike! Message-ID: <000301be8b2e$fea168a0$198205d4@xxx> Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday, dear Mikey, Happy birthday to you! Vic ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:14:14 -0500 From: Dave Ware To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Drum Machines... Message-ID: <82CD0BD64E68D211BDA00060975B3ACF31A62C@bham-xchg1> Niall wondered.... >I don't know whether virtually every albulm by any band these days is >recorded with drum machines or not, but I was wondering whether I&W was >recorded with the use of a drum machine? Of all the DT albulms I've heard >(all of the albulms they've produced), I&W sounds most like it has a drum >machine. Hey, They used drum triggers, that's a sample drum sound that goes off everytime the accoustic drum is hit, it makes it sound like a drum machine (well, not always but it does on I&W), I don't suppose there's anyone on this list who likes the I&W drum sound, least of all MP I would guess. God, I'm bored today already... Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:16:56 -0400 From: "Bernard, Chris" To: "'email_address_removed'" Message-ID: <18DB7F3D6363D1119B080060083FF42CC4E504@PFC_EXCH01> Howdy, y'all... Here's 2 cents or so about this BitKnee Spears discussion(Ugh): [Joe DeAngelo]> IF she was an AVERAGE LOOKING person...she wouldn't have sold shit for albums.< [Brian Hansen]>But what if she wasn't so attractive? It's quite possible that she could release the same music, and be taken much more seriously, just because she wasn't attractive. < Well, i think this is a moot point. i have to think that if she wasn't attractive then she never would have been given the songs to perform. (gross assumption: she didn't write the material she performs. i have no proof of this, however.) In today's marketing to the pre-teen and teenage market, looks seems to be at least as important as talent in deciding who gets deals and who doesn't. If you can dance and pout for the camera, you will be given music to perform and one or two of these songs will get you on the charts and MTV and make you some money -- until the next pretty face comes along. [BH]>Does looks/image really effect the music? < Well, probably not. Nowadays i'd bet 2-to-1 that those writing the music are not the ones performing it. At least, in the hit-radio, teenage market. The only way the looks affect the music is when the songwriter envisions attractive teens singing their songs. These acts nowadays are manufactured more than they are discovered. ("We need 5 guys/girls. OK. You be the bad one, you be the quiet, reserved one, you be the athletic one, etc...) If anything can be good in all of this, it's that the record companies are making so much money from them, that a little of that cash can trickle down and help support the kinds of bands we, on the jam, are all fans of but that don't bring in the quick cash that the teen acts do. Over and out... CHRIS ~~~~~~ " " -- Ravel, Bolero ~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:24:35 +0200 From: "Sasha C." To: "Ytsejam Mailing List" Subject: Re: Drum Machines Message-ID: <003901be8b31$3e1d0460$6fe51dc3@sasa> why the hell would they use a drum machine when they have Mike Portnoy?!?!?!?!?!?!?! >From: Niall Connaughton I don't know whether virtually every albulm by any band these days is >recorded with drum machines or not, but I was wondering whether I&W was >recorded with the use of a drum machine? Of all the DT albulms I've heard >(all of the albulms they've produced), I&W sounds most like it has a drum >machine. >Cheers >Niall ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:57:52 +0200 From: Steffen Barabasch To: Ytsejam Subject: I&W drum machine Message-ID: Hi! >I don't know whether virtually every albulm by any band these days is >recorded with drum machines or not, but I was wondering whether I&W was >recorded with the use of a drum machine? Of all the DT albulms I've heard >(all of the albulms they've produced), I&W sounds most like it has a drum machine. Sue David Prater, the producer. He insisted on having triggered snare drums on this album. You record the snare, the signal goes into this MIDI device, and every time the snare is hit this device triggers (hence the name) a sampler with a sampled snare drum sound. This way you get a well defined and always precise snare sound, since it's actually always the same one. Great idea if you are playing 80s hair rock with huge snare sounds and boring beats, but a very bad idea if you are playing prog metal with busy and dynamic drumming. Listen to the end of the middle section of Metropolis on I&W and compare it to some live recording. On the studio version you hear full blown snare drum hits, live you hear some fine ghost notes. Needless to say that Mr. Mike Portnoy wasn't too happy about all this. The first thing he said to David Prater when they met again for the recording of ACOS was "no triggered drums!" ;-) Steffen -- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:email_address_removed) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:36:15 -0400 From: "Phil Carter" To: A Ytse of Seasons Subject: Re: Drum Machines Message-ID: Greetings ye 'jamanoids.... Niall wants to know: >I don't know whether virtually every albulm by any band these days is >recorded with drum machines or not, but I was wondering whether I&W was >recorded with the use of a drum machine? Of all the DT albulms I've heard >(all of the albulms they've produced), I&W sounds most like it has a drum >machine. Not quite. I&W was recorded with triggered drums (producer David Prater likes working with triggered drums for some inexplicable reason). This made all the drum hits sound identical (and also mangled some songs like Met pt. 1 where Mike plays a lot of ghost notes that then became full hits due to the triggers). If I remember correctly (and no doubt some wisenheimer will correct me if I'm wrong) :) it's like this: a recording of each drum being hit is made. Then the actual drum tracks are laid down. Then the producer goes back over the tracks and every hit of the snare triggers the recorded snare hit, so every snare hit sounds the same. I think each tom was triggered as well. Not surprisingly, this makes for a pretty mechanical drum sound. Prater also was responsible for the triggered "coffee-can" snare sound on ACOS. Not sure whether the toms on that disc were triggered also. ta, Phil ============================================== Phil Carter -- email_address_removed -- Usefulware Tech Support Official Glass Hammer website: http://www.glasshammer.com/ "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:40:50 -0400 From: prog To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Drum Machines Message-ID: Phil Carter wrote: > Prater also was responsible for the triggered "coffee-can" snare sound on > ACOS. Not sure whether the toms on that disc were triggered also. > > ta, > Phil I dont think the snare on acos was triggered at all... it sounds like a normal small snare.. -- Carlos A. Alfaro Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:email_address_removed ICQ # 1254229 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:53:45 -0400 From: Josh Brand To: Ytsejam Subject: Re: DT drum machines... Message-ID: >I was wondering whether I&W was recorded with the use of a drum >machine? Of all the DT albulms I've heard (all of the albums they've >produced), I&W sounds most like it has a drum machine. Well, my friend, that's the trigger. AFAIK, Mike only used it (thank the gods) on I&W. Basically, instead of the sound of the snare being miked, when Mike hits the snare drum it trips a trigger that record a pre-existing synthesised drum beat. Which is why every single snare hit sounds the same on the album. They're good because it's really easy to record with them, no mic problems, but they suck, as anyone who has listened to Awake and then I&W right after knows, because they eliminate all variance from the snare and it sounds super-sterile and, well, artificial. 'Cause it is. So just listen to LATM when you want to hear Metropolis with a real snare part. That's what I do... Josh -- "Free gear is almost always the best gear." --Dave Hahn, Climber The box said "Windows 98 or better," so I bought Solaris. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:45:54 -0400 From: Chris Calabrese To: email_address_removed Subject: 420 Message-ID: Happy 420 everyone and Happy Birthday Mike Portnoy...I find it really strange that his birthday is today. chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:51:02 +0200 From: "Robert Sindermann" To: Subject: Mr. Sandmann Message-ID: <000d01be8b45$aee99320$0dcc52c3@robsmaskine> KorgX3 wrote: >a really cool Speed Metal version of Mr. >Sandman on it That would be the very cool Blind Guardian. It's from their "Forgotten Tales" album containing all sorts of leftovers and remakes from their earlier albums and stuff. Also, there are two rather amusing speed metal versions of the Beach Boys' "Barbara Ann" and "Surfing USA". But I'd definitely recommend their regular albums. Rob NP: Vast - Visual Audio Sensory Theater ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4819 **************************