YTSEJAM Digest 4816 Today's Topics: 1) Who is going to OZRICS? by Ryan Good 2) DTC/NDTC by email_address_removed 3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4815 by email_address_removed 4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4815 by email_address_removed 5) Re: Cars on the YTSEJAM (from N. Gallop) by Younis Hilal 6) I thought of a cool invention by Joshua Rasiel 7) Re: DT Experience by email_address_removed 8) Dickens by "Christopher W. Ptacek" 9) Re: DT Experience by email_address_removed 10) Re: 1st DT Experience by email_address_removed 11) LSoaD by "J C" 12) 1st DT experience by "Paul W. Cashman" 13) Re: Johansson "The Last Viking" - a review by Jens Johansson 14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4815 by email_address_removed 15) Re: DTC/NDTC by "Carlos A. Alfaro" 16) Re: 1st DT experience by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal 17) My 1st DT Experience by Paul Weiss 18) 1st DT Experience by "Christoph" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 20:10:01 -0500 From: Ryan Good To: email_address_removed Subject: Who is going to OZRICS? Message-ID: Greetings- I'm writin' wondering if anyone on the list besides David H. Plotkin, Esq. is going to see Ozric Tentacles in New York over the May 7th weekend. If so, post to the jam, and drop me a line too. I think I might be going. Ryan! ____________________________________________________________________ WSUM - MADISON STUDENT RADIO ____________________________________________________________________ "Mountains come out of the sky and they stand there!" - Yes ____________________________________________________________________ Ryan Good - WSUM - Assistant Music Director / Loud Rock Director "The World is Tuning In..." WSUM/MSR Homepage - http://wsum.wisc.edu Host of Strong Progress, FRIDAY's 5pm-8pm Home - 608-286-6747 Radio - 608-262-1206 ____________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 22:13:34 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: DTC/NDTC Message-ID: hey. i was listening to awake. and on erotomania...around 5:30-5:45 is a cool guitar ,drum,and bass riff. check it out, its pretty fast, you may miss it. ok. on to NTDC : i just got jimi hendrix's experience hendrix . its an awesome CD if you want to sample old classics like " purple haze" "fire" "the wind cries mary" . sample any of the 20 songs on the disc...and check out some of jimi's old discographies. pretty awesome listing. nic "let me stand next to your fi-yah! " - "Fire" - the late Jimi Hendrix, master guitarist. next week "get away" - Lenny Kravitz. nic now thinks of discarding her bass for that epiphone, and ticks off the fender vendor. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 23:12:58 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4815 Message-ID: In a message dated 4/18/99 7:08:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, email_address_removed writes: << Question: Do any of you have access to these songs? - "Mr. Sambo" by Richie Sambora - "Black Magic" by Reb Beach If you do, would it be possible to put them on a website somewhere, for downloading. I've been looking for these ever since the CD they're on was stolen from me, about six months ago. Thanks in advance. >> I have them, I can send them to you, if you request....... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 23:16:13 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4815 Message-ID: In a message dated 4/18/99 7:08:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, email_address_removed writes: << >where did each of you first hear of Dream Theater and when? >> I heard them in my car while going to my friend Jim's house,(who was a student of michael romeo of symphony X) I caught the tail end of learning to live, and I asked Jim who they were, he said,"oh thats Dream Theater, images and words".......I bought the album, and have been addicted to DT ever since........... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 20:16:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Younis Hilal To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Cars on the YTSEJAM (from N. Gallop) Message-ID: Forwarding a post from Neil. Younis email_address_removed On Sun, 18 Apr 1999, Gallop, Neil wrote: > Who said cars (or automobiles to our freinds across the pond) > have no business being on the Jam? Rubbish. Never heard of > Pantera and Vanden Plas? Great cars and great bands. If my > memory serves me correctly, there was also a punk/indie band > back in the 70s called The Cortinas (one for the Brits there). > > stay safe and happy listening > Neil Gallop (email_address_removed) > Currently playing: Skid Row - Slave To The Grind > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 23:27:08 -0400 From: Joshua Rasiel To: email_address_removed Subject: I thought of a cool invention Message-ID: I wonder if this has been invented yet: A foot pedal that could control playback for a cassette or cd player. At first I was thinking it'd be useful for any guitar player who's ever tried to learn a song, but really, any musician could use it. You could press it forwards to play, backwards to rewind, and maybe double-push forwards or hold-down forwards for fast-forward. And let's move on. I was destined to find Dream Theater. I discovered DT in Jan. 1995, during my school's winter break. I found a copy of Awake lying on the floor in my brother's room. He'd discovered it at the listening station at Tower. I don't normally pick random cd's up off the floor, though. This one caught my attention because the cover art is so cool. Knowing absolutely nothing about the band, I sensed there was something different/special/better about them. I opened it up and saw the 5 guys standing there, and the art on the cd itself, and I thought that was really cool, so I played it, and I was like "this is ok" and I almost stopped after the intro to innocence faded, but thankfully, I hung in there for erotomania. And then I heard voices and I was hooked. I dubbed a tape and played it a'plenty. The thing is, when classes started up again, I got a new roommate. From India, at that. So that first day, it's a little awkward, and we're resorting to the "what music do you like" stuff pretty early in the conversation. Turns out he LOVES DT. He had I&W and was dying to hear Awake. Just think of it: If tower hadn't carried them, or they had carried them but not put them on the listening station, or they had put them on the listening station but my brother hadn't tried them, or my brother had tried them but hadn't liked them, or my brother had liked them but hadn't bought the album, or my brother had bought the album but I had not seen it on the floor, or I had seen it on the floor but had not noticed the art, or I had noticed the art but not liked it enough to give it a listen, I would STILL have found this band. Di Di Aynu, baby! -- Joshua Rasiel email_address_removed www.j51.com/~mrasiel Churchill's description of history: "It's just one damn thing after another." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 17:09:45 -0300 From: email_address_removed To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: DT Experience Message-ID: On Apr 18 1999, Fernando Rauber wrote: > > OK, here is mine: In 1998, I started to like metal bands such as > Angra, Metallica, Iron Maiden, etc. Them I saw a post by Rogerio > Brito on RBT, the biggest brazilian message network on a BBS about > some of his favorite bands. One of them was Dream Theater :). I'm always glad to help. :-) []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ (still an) Ugrad. Comp. Science student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Nectar homepage: http://www.linux.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/opeth/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 00:14:19 -0500 From: "Christopher W. Ptacek" To: Subject: Dickens Message-ID: <001701be8a23$7c2f0fa0$6e809c83@madstation> I deleted a few jams here because it's not worth getting in an argument with some of you, and because I think I made my point, and my part is done in this... so on to 2 new issues. The first idea is only for veteran jammers, really. I encourage you ALL to write down your first DT experience in detail, and save it in a txt file. Every time this thread comes up, I would like to see EVERY veteran jammer post his first DT experience and flood the jam to death. Nothing inspires more drool and more boredom than this thread. Oh, it's DT content, sure, but everyone's got the same general experience, or we wouldn't be here. You heard DT and were blown away. Happy happy. Next, Bill Dickens. :) I was preaching this man's talent YEARS ago here and no one took note. I think the fact that the poster made a big deal about the muber of strings on he bass may cause some of you to roll your eyes, but fact is, this guy is extremely innovative. Victor Wooten wouldn't have that double thump technique if it weren't for Billy Dickens. If you're a bassist and you dig Wooten, you owe it to yourself to see this guys videos. He's a monster. (And let's not compare him to Myung... I mean... let's not even go there!) Now playing: Vinnie Moore: The Maze Chris Ptacek - email_address_removed "Everything that can be invented has been invented." -- Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 01:26:22 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT Experience Message-ID: Listening to WSOU i heard "Pull Me Under" that same day saw the video on MTV...wow, it must be love..... 8 ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 01:49:55 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: 1st DT Experience Message-ID: My first DT experience came by complete pure luck, nothing else. At the time, I was under the impression that "heavy metal is the devil" and that if you were a male w/long hair, you were most likely a satanist (slight exaggeration there), and bands with names like Megadeth didn't help prove me wrong, and then when my dad bought me a used copy of Countdown To Extinction just so I would have a CD for my new CD player, I took one look at the cover and liner and further believed my theory, thus I never even bothered to listen to it. But thankfully, a friend was getting into metal, and he got me to like CTE and Megadeth in general. So then when I decided to open my mind and stop being ignorant, I ventured further into metal. I joined Columbia House and looked through their catalogue to order 10 free CDs. That's when I saw, in the lower corner of the metal page, a very small picture of the cover of Awake. I thought the cover was great, liked the name of the band, and the description called them "brilliant and challening." I couldn't stand Rush. I had absolutely no concept of the word "progressive." I knew no one that had heard of Dream Theater, but I ordered it one a whim anyway, as I did w/most of those 10 discs. Well Awake was great. I was really into it, but it wasn't until I got Images and Words about 6 months later that I became an obsessed DT fanatic. I couldn't believe what I was listening to. Here I had no background in metal, progressive rock, any of the 70s bands that inspired DT, and I just wasn't too big into music in general, but I loved it. Maybe it's cliche, maybe it's a little corny, but dream theater really did change my life. Jim NP - Shadow Gallery: Carved In Stone ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 02:59:04 EDT From: "J C" To: email_address_removed Subject: LSoaD Message-ID: Paul W. Cashman wrote: I've just gotten back from Dallas for the wedding of Ryan Webb and Pam "Kerowyn" Doise. As far as I know this is the first marriage of two Ytsejammers who met solely through the Jam. :) Thats really cool!!...I kind of know Lisa and Coldfire because I met them through the "Lifting Shadows" site which has faded into that black night. UACM is great but it doesn't contain the fan database and that was how I met Kara...currently we are apart by distance but plan to marry some time this year...hopefully we will be the second couple and just like the other female DT fans she appreciates the virtuosity and great music they create....(in other words ...no band wagon jumpers here shes listened to them since WDADU However...she probably doesnt remember me....I was invited to one of her DT parties and at the time i lived in AZ. (sorry, Lisa i tried really hard to make it but my work said no way!!) She tried to talk me into matching DT heart tattoos.......I just don't know I have no tattoos....and that almost seems too much like obsession Besides picture an 60 year old DT heart tattoo....eewwwwwwwwwwww!!!!! But please give them my best wishes...even though I don't know them personally, we have something in common.....almost Outlander has spoken "She can turn a drop of water.....into an ocean." _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 02:26:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul W. Cashman" To: email_address_removed Subject: 1st DT experience Message-ID: I first heard DT on the radio here during the I&W tour, when Atlanta's 96rock played PMU a few times right before and after DT's show here. I heard the song and thought the drums were cool, but I wasn't able to go to that show (or a later? one, at a different venue, that I never heard about). One of 96rock's deejays, Alan Ayo, wanted something from me (a CD copy of Metallica's "Breadfan," so he could dub it to cartridge for the station to play), and I had that then-rare CD single, so we made a deal -- I could grab some items from the station's "freebie" stock of CDs in exchange for bringing the 'Tallica CD down to the studio. I headed down there and we dubbed "Breadfan," then we looked at the freebies. I got two unremarkable CDs and then asked "How about this band I just heard, Dream Theater?" Alan's eyes lit up (he was a fan then and is now, but of course isn't allowed to play them). "Hmmm, nope, no CDs, but here's a cassette." I put the cassette in the car stereo and started it -- not too far into the tape I pulled over so I could hear it without road noise. Hooked, line and sinker. :) Oddly enough, a very similar story (free cassette from the same radio station) applies to how I got Queensryche's OPERATION: Mindcrime, and it was that CD that got me -really- into hard rock and metal, into Metallica (and some of you know where THAT path led), and other kewl stuff. :) -- Paul W. Cashman | Listening to the city Whispering its violence email_address_removed | I set out watching from above ICQ #4151223 | The 90s bring new questions New solutions to be found Dream Theater --> I fell in love to be let down ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:51:52 -0400 From: Jens Johansson To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Johansson "The Last Viking" - a review Message-ID: On 11:10 1999/04/18 -0700, you wrote: > I have now listened to this CD a few times and have the following > impressions. =20 Hey, thanks for buying the damned thing!! (Japanese import? If so, sorry about the price, we're still working on more licensing coverage.. ) > This CD is basic somewhat-prog sometimes-rock-sometimes-metal and has some > Michael Romeo plays on this disk which was the main reason I bought it !! > However, his playing is rarely in the forefront. Bummer. When he does= get > some limelight, he is more restrained than what you normally get with SX. > Kind of nice in a way, but there is entirely too little of him for me !! Well, that's a pretty nice review. I've seen much worse! This record has to be one of the more misunderstood ones I've done, primarily because people see "Johansson and Romeo" and expect more shred. It is not. (We were looking to exploit Mikes excellent rhythm guitar playing and the solos were just a bit of a bonus!!) And maybe also because lots of normal people are buying it!! :) The few sickos that bought "Fj=E4derl=F6sa Tv=E5fotingar" or "Red Shift" were probab= ly enough of sickos to be as happy as pigs in pig food. Live and learn.. Anyway, a warning to the readers of this list, if I didn't post something similar already: If you're mainly into dream theater style music, you probably won't like the Last Viking at all!! It's much more metal than prog. See a manifesto of sorts from January:=20 http://www.panix.com/~jens/parse.cgi/about-last-viking.par (I'm planning to try to work more with Mike, I think especially on his forthcoming solo album there could be a potential for more shred. LV was more about counterpoint..) --- Jens. (offline) (http://www.panix.com/~jens/) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:50:12 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4815 Message-ID: Dans un courrier dat=E9 du 19/04/99 04:08:21=E9), email_address_removed a =E9crit : > >where did each of you first hear of Dream Theater and when? I first listened to them when I was 12 (now I'm 19). I asked a friend of my=20 sister to build me a compil of metal bands because I used to listen to=20 Nirvana and Guns'n'Roses and I was kind of bored with those bands. On the=20 compil, there were Sepultura, Pantera, Annihilator, DT, Galactic Cowboys... = I=20 did not like DT at first, because I hated the singer (the song were PMU and=20 UAGM) and could not stand bands with keyboards. I rather prefered Sepultura=20 (Altered State) and Pantera (Fucking Hostile). But little by little, my=20 preference for DT grew because of the drums and solos and I finally decided=20 to buy I&W when I was 16. An the rest is history... Now I cannot stand bands=20 like new-Sepultura and new-Pantera. Sebast NP : Nightwish .Oceanborn http://members.aol.com/sebast87/page1.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:01:42 -0400 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DTC/NDTC Message-ID: email_address_removed wrote: > hey. i was listening to awake. and on erotomania...around 5:30-5:45 is a > cool guitar ,drum,and bass riff. check it out, its pretty fast, you may miss > it. ok. Ok..am I just anal? or this is almost as stupid as saying " Hey , on images and words, on metropolis..theres this COOL instrumental section.. check it out..around the 4:25 mark up until almost the end,. you may have missed it!!!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:49:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: 1st DT experience Message-ID: =09Well, i had a friend that for some strange reason bought a copy of=20 the Awake album. I say strange reason because he was always buying=20 strange stuff for no reason, like, if i said to him that there was a=20 group named "The Lone rangers"..or whatever, that were just great, he=20 would go out and buy their album. Of course, sometimes he ended up=20 not liking some of those selections. =09As soon as he bought the album, he lent it to a mutual friend. (who=20 in hell lends his recent purchase without hearing it first?). And i had=20 heard from him that these guys were IT. So i had lots of curiosity about=20 this band. As soon as he got his cd back, i asked him if i could have for= =20 a week, but he didn=B4t accept since he hadn=B4t even heard his own cd.=20 Understandable. =09Then, one night, i saw the Lie video on the headbangers ball. It was=20 my very first impression of DT. I tought it was a heavy song with a cool=20 tapping solo. The 7 string guitar helped too. No slacker (then) dared to=20 play a seven string, so i tought this guy was a pretty hot guitarist. =09Then, i was trading some tabs with another friend. I had the PMU tab=20 (i hadn=B4t heard the song yet) and he had erotomania tab. He urged me to= =20 copy it for myself even if i hadn=B4t heard the song yet. I looked at the= =20 tab, and saw no weird shit at all (i saw Vai=B4s PAW tab book, now, THAT=B4= S =20 amess!:) ) =09Then, he lent me a shitty cassette he had recorded from a live video=20 (LiT) so i could hear them. It had the studio version of metropolis. I=20 only heard that, and kinda liked it, but the cassette was so shitty, i=20 didn=B4t dig it that much. =09Then yet another friend had the LiT video, and he was on his way of=20 giving it back. So, i begged for it some 5 minutes and got it for a=20 weekend. I arrived home and started to watch it. UaGM was the opener, i=20 was impressed, but when the solo break came in, my fuckin jaw dropped=20 completely. This guy had it ALL (to my eyes and ears), and the band too.=20 I saw the video like 4 times and gave it back. I started to hear the=20 shitty cassette over and over....until i completely wore it out. =09I went to the record store, and in there was I&W and Awake. I said=20 to myself: "Well, i haven=B4t heard any shit off this awake album, plus it= =20 has more songs in it, plus, i prefer 11 songs than 1 song (LtL), how good= =20 can that song be anyway?" =09I didn=B4t like it right off the bat, but the more i heard it, the=20 more i liked it. My fav band was Van Halen, but DT just blew them away=20 for me. Then i got I&W....ACoS........rest is history. =09Some of you might think that i like more Awake because it was my=20 first DT album, but, my fave DT albums are Awake AND I&W. Equally i think. =09Shit! This was LONG! Mauricio ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:22:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Weiss To: A Mind Forever Ytse-ing Subject: My 1st DT Experience Message-ID: Mindlessly following the herd, I will relate my own experience: Once upon a time, there was a young lad named Pablo. He grew up to become a famous cubist painter and inspire the Olivia Tremor Control, but that's coincidental. I was wandering through the racks at Tower one day as I was wont to do. Months before, my parental units had taken me there to find something, we'd gotten separated and a friendly cashier took me in and gave me a warm aisle to call my own. Well, I beheld the Listening stations and they had this album with cool artwork called Awake. I listened to 6:00 at the listening station, and couldn't get enough of it. The intro stuck in my head, and they rushed me to the hospital (GWU's hospital is right down the street), but unfortunately, the effects of listening to the album were irreversible. I still carry fragments of that song whereever I go. What a sad and sorry state am I. Let my story serve as a warning. P NP Colosseum: Valentyne Suite Todd Rundgren: A Capella (I've got Lockjaw in my head too, which is far more difficult to remove) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul's biweekly musical quote: I've ceased to see where I'm going to;/ Don't want to. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:43:32 +0200 From: "Christoph" To: email_address_removed Subject: 1st DT Experience Message-ID: Hi Jammers! I read about DT in a german Guitar Magazine shortly after their Awake Albu= m was released. After reading this article I borrowed the Awake CD from a friend and put it into my cd-player. While listening to the bombastic drum= intro of 6:00 I was totally blown away by the stuff these guys were playin= g. At first I just listened to the first 4 tracks on the CD but then I dug de= eper and deeper finding such fantastic songs like Scarred and SDV. I decided to buy another album of this great band and like my german frien= d Daniel (Hi Daniel! Wie geht=B4s? Was treibste so?) I bought the CD without= having heard a single note of it! I did definitely never regret that! Let=B4s hope the new album will be such a masterpiece like Awake was! A bi= t more prog and "fuck-commercial-songs" would do much better then proceeding in the top-ten direction. Please don=B4t get me wrong. I liked = FII very much, but in my opinion the other albums were better. Bye, Christoph ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4816 **************************