YTSEJAM Digest 4805 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Maiden on the radio by Dale R Newberry 2) Myung concerns, ballads and killer starts/ends of songs by steve.arthur@twm.co.uk 3) A joke for us musicians ... by "Robert O'Doherty" 4) Re: Who is the bass player for Planet X? by David Rothlisberger 5) re:bass player of Planet X (Ricc Fierbracci) by O-P Komonen 6) Re: Long songs/what is DT? by "Pat Sullivan" 7) Re: Who is the bass player for Planet X? by "Phil Carter" 8) Skipping Songs by "Kevin Rackley" 9) Something to ponder... by "Al @ Switchcraft" 10) Bass Tapping Tab by "Giannotti, Nick" 11) Superior - Younique by "Jonas Opsal" 12) Re: Billy Joel by email_address_removed 13) Re: damage of mankind, song writing by Al Balkiewicz 14) Re: Superior - Younique by Al Balkiewicz 15) Re: Superior - Younique by Edward Polzin 16) Re: the ends of concept albums by email_address_removed 17) Trial of solos? by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal 18) ballads by email_address_removed 19) Re: the ends of concept albums by TheCowGod 20) Rick Firebreeches and DT Still Sucks? by "Korg Ecksthrey" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 04:03:42 -0500 From: Dale R Newberry To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Maiden on the radio Message-ID: A thing happened to me the other day that hasn't happened in a long ass time. I actually heard Iron maiden on one of the major radio stations in the St. Louis area (97.1 FM). I was driving back to Columbia, changed stations, and heard the opening strains of Wasted Years. Granted, it was in a set of 80's hard rock/metal songs they do every day, but damn, Maiden on the radio. I never thought I'd live to see that day :). Dale R. Newberry ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:22:24 +0100 From: steve.arthur@twm.co.uk To: email_address_removed Subject: Myung concerns, ballads and killer starts/ends of songs Message-ID: Jammers, MYUNG I'm glad the issue of song writing styles has raised it's head as I was reading=20= the lastest fan club I&W fanzine=2E If you read the interview with Monsieur=20= Myung he talks with understandable pride about the process of writing ToT and=20= bringing the rough version to the band and how important this time on his own=20= to develop the idea was important=2E He goes on to say that whilst he enjoys jamming this isn't his preffered method=20= of producing SONGS=2E How is he going to find the new format of Jordan and the=20= LTE gang ambushing proceedings with their more than capable jamming=20= ability???????? BALLADS Amongst my all time favourites have to be Kings X - Goldilox, Summerland, Everywhere I go and Legal Kill Crimson Glory - Song for Angels, Lonely Queensryche - Silent Lucidity, I Will Remember White Lion - You're All I Need Alice in Chains - Down in a Hole Warriour Soul - Lullaby, Losers Saigon Kick - Colours (Acoustic version on the flipside of 12" Love is on the=20= Way) Killer Song Starts/Ends Soundgarden - start of Room a thousand years wide (this is incredible) Pearl Jam - Oceans (shivers =2E=2E=2E=2E) DT-Metro-Police (may be sick of this intro tape but it still hits the mark) Best ending has to be Eyes of a Stranger Live (Operation Livecrime) this is=20= incredible when they kick back into Anarchy X Enjoy=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E Steve ' looking california, but feeling minnesota=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2Eas= they say in=20= America i believe (Outshined) (it doesn't sound as good in the UK saying I'm looking London but feeling=20= Edinburgh=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:39:08 +0100 From: "Robert O'Doherty" To: "Ytsejam (E-mail)" Subject: A joke for us musicians ... Message-ID: <001001be865a$a5b16e80$message_id_removed.nl> A mans ship is wrecked in a storm and he is washed up on the shore of an island. He hears drums being played. With a little exploring he soon finds a small villiage, the drums still playing. Walking in, and by this time quite annoyed with the non stop drumming, he asks one of the natives about the drums. "When drums stop...bad..." the native says. Not quite understanding, the man accepted this. Waking up from a nice sleep, he noticed the drums were still playing. So he asked another native, and the same answer was given. "When drums stop...bad..." He asked to see the chief of the village, because this drumming was driving him nuts. Upon finding the chief, he asked him the same question, and was given the same answer. "When drums stop...bad..." "But WHY is it bad when the drums stop?" The chief shifted a bit in his seat, and said... "Bass solo." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:21:46 +1200 From: David Rothlisberger To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Who is the bass player for Planet X? Message-ID: > I was wondering who he was, as I knew the others but I was unfamiliar > with his name (Ricc Fierabracci). Any help will be much appreciated, > of course. He plays on Yanni's "Live at the Acropolis". Since I don't own any of Yanni's other CDs (and probably never will, heheh) I don't know how many of them he plays on... he *is* listed under "band:" in the liner notes, though (as opposed to being mentioned separately from the "real" band, like, say, Nick D'Virgilio on Calling all stations). --David. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:44:57 +0200 From: O-P Komonen To: email_address_removed Subject: re:bass player of Planet X (Ricc Fierbracci) Message-ID: He has been with Yanni for a while, I've seen him play on Tribute and Live at the Acropolis videos, and I really like him... he plays very tasty solo on Acropolis, I'm really excited to hear how Planet X will sound... op777 Thoughts while Eating at McDonald's "...if people were actually shaped like those little "throw litter away" people-figures with the pointy limbs that appear on the boxes the burgers come in, they'd fall into gratings all the time and get stuck. But getting out of jail would be really easy." -Kevin Madden ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:36:52 -0400 From: "Pat Sullivan" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Long songs/what is DT? Message-ID: > other complaint was the end of The Way It Used To Be. Again, the "These > fuckers really know how to drag a song out" remark. Maybe it's a clue? I Personally, TWIUTB is my favorite song from FII. ;-) In fact, the only complaint I have about the album is that that song didn't make the cut. > But I think the > longass songs that seem to lead nowhere and pick up again later are what > turn alot of potential people off to DT. That's pretty much the biggest > complaint I've heard about them time and again. Maybe those people are just not meant to be DT fans. Don't forget - DT is not about making music for the masses. What you are suggesting is that DT tone down their music to make it something that the general public can more easily digest. Hmm....where have I heard that accusation before. Oh yeah, that metal band that begins with "M"....a lot of people think that's what they did, right? > and other side projects? I dunno... It never has seemed to bother me but > I know quite a few people that hate it. If they hate it, so be it. There is no "universally loved" music. No matter what kind of music they make, some people will love it, some will hate it, and a whole bunch of people won't even know it exists. ___Pat Sullivan_____________________________________ Email: email_address_removed ICQ: 23499229 AIM: TOWHTSTS WWW:__ http://home.ici.net/~psull/psull.html _______ Real programmers don't document. If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:35:16 -0400 From: "Phil Carter" To: A Ytse of Seasons Subject: Re: Who is the bass player for Planet X? Message-ID: Greetings ye 'jamanoids... BigSwifty wants to know: >I was wondering who he was, as I knew the others but I was unfamiliar >with his name (Ricc Fierabracci). Any help will be much appreciated, of >course. Ricc has played with Yanni's live band for the past several years and appears on the "Live at the Acropolis" and "Tribute" discs (and their accompanying videos, of course). He has a pretty cool bass solo on "Live at the Acropolis" during the track "The Rain Must Fall". ta, Phil ============================================== Phil Carter -- email_address_removed -- Usefulware Tech Support Official Glass Hammer website: http://www.glasshammer.com/ "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:50:50 -0400 From: "Kevin Rackley" To: email_address_removed Subject: Skipping Songs Message-ID: > Bogie wrote: =20 > I'll skip over the solos because > I don't feel like listening to them. And, a well written song > should never make you want to do that.=20 That would explain why I don't even bother listening to FW. Kevin Rackley ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:08:45 -0500 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" To: retaehT maerD Subject: Something to ponder... Message-ID: Cyberwolf wrote: >Wheres if you can consider the DT listening experience to being quickly >hit by a mack truck, consider the FW experience to being slowly crushed >by a cement mixer. That was beautiful, man. *sniff sniff* I'm thankful we have bands like DT & FW to compare. I sit here and shake my head watching people slam FW and DT for whatever trivial reason. I somehow always manage to contrast the trivial bitching with the music awards. Some of you people are bitching about stupid shit while no-talent hacks are busy making millions and accepting awards, with very little effort on their part. meanwhile, bands like DT, FW, and SX, are lucky if they can get into the studio. What a slap it the face to any self respecting musician. I asked the daughter once: "If you needed a major operation; would you choose the doctor with the highest skills or the doctor that was the best looking?" She responded with: "I dunno, the cute one?" I had to leave the room. :) Boycott mediocrity! /Al thinks he's going to drop a large magnet into the "Back Street Boys" cassette bin at the local Best Buy. Nah, they would just replace them and count them as MORE SALES. *sigh* -- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:23:56 -0400 From: "Giannotti, Nick" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Bass Tapping Tab Message-ID: Mike Bahr used to have a tablature transcription of the tapping solo in Met. I on his Prism Website. I don't know if he even reads the jams anymore (or if he's even subscribed), but if he is, maybe he can either pass it to someone willing to post it to a website or he can post it himself...? Or is this all just wishful thinking on my part? :) Nicholas Giannotti x6745 Joint STARS Contracts email_address_removed ---------------------------------- Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:16:59 +0200 From: "Jonas Opsal" To: "The YtseJam mailinglist" Subject: Superior - Younique Message-ID: <000201be8684$ec744340$3ae44382@default> I received this disc in the mail a couple of days ago, from a contest I won, and I haven't been able to stop listening to it. Superior just suck me into their world. I had actually NEVER heard of them before I received the disc, and I was very surprised that they were this good. It's kind of special, yea. But I usually need a couple of listens before I get into a disc, even DT's! This one got to me from track one, and got better all alone. I missed my soccer-training too, I was in another world... What's eveyone's take on Younique? The YtseJam mailinglist (and IRC channel) are thanked in the liners, so I guess some of you have heard it? Jonas Opsal - jonasops@online.no Surfing Into Infinty - http://dreamtheater.tsx.org NP: Superior - Younique ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:50:59 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Billy Joel Message-ID: In a message dated 99-04-13 14:37:27 EDT, you write: << The guitar tech/roadie (AKA "Chainsaw") sang - >> As in Chainsaw Cane of the Minneapolis band Slave Raider ? Just Curious ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:17:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: damage of mankind, song writing Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Apr 1999 email_address_removed wrote: > > >< We walk in the damage of mankind. >< > > God that sounds familiar. What is that? Metallica? > It's from the song "On With the Dream" (?) by Damn the Machine. Kick-ass song on a kick-ass album from a kick-ass band that kicked my ass when they opened for kick-ass DT. -Al -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= w e w a l k i n t h e d a m a g e o f m a n k i n d -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= email_address_removed OR email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:19:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Superior - Younique Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Jonas Opsal wrote: > What's eveyone's take on Younique? > The YtseJam mailinglist (and IRC channel) are > thanked in the liners, so I guess some of you > have heard it? > I would hope that a lot of the Ytsejammers have heard it, if not for the fact that they're first album "Behind" rocked, but also for the fact that the guitarist Bernd is a 'Jammer himself...... I have said it many many times before, and probably will many more, this album is the definition of "kick-ass", and I refer to it personally as the album that DT should have come out with instead of FII..... -Al ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:14:22 -0500 From: Edward Polzin To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Superior - Younique Message-ID: It's awesome. Enough said. No if i could only find a place that has Behind in stock. hmmmmm. Jonas Opsal wrote: > What's eveyone's take on Younique? -- Edward Polzin Live and Rare Recordings http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~polzin/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:41:19 -0300 From: email_address_removed To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: the ends of concept albums Message-ID: On Apr 13 1999, TheCowGod wrote: > has anyone noticed that bands that normally write really heavy stuff > tend to write cool concept (or at least concept-y) albums and then > end them with a soft melodic piece? (...) > anyways, i'm now addicted to these type of, well basically, > outros. Can anyone suggest any other CDs that have this type of > thing? It would help if the rest of the CD is cool, too :) Opeth's "My Arms, Your Hearse" is an example of such an album (heavy concept album, with a soft, progressive outro). []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ (still an) Ugrad. Comp. Science student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Nectar homepage: http://www.linux.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/opeth/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:29:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal To: email_address_removed Subject: Trial of solos? Message-ID: Bogie said: more cool ballads... QR : Silent Lucidity Angra : Holy Land / Deep Blue Megadeth : A Tout Le Monde Led Zep : Stairway to Heaven SG : Ghost Of A Chance / Christmas Day Savatage : When The Crowds Are Gone / This is the Time / This is not What we meant......... Sebast http://members.aol.com/sebast87/page1.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:12:52 -0400 (EDT) From: TheCowGod To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: the ends of concept albums Message-ID: > Opeth's "My Arms, Your Hearse" is an example of such an album > (heavy concept album, with a soft, progressive outro). kickass, i've been meaning to check them out anyways. at the radio station where i work they have a copy of Nuclear Blast's (?) ID5 comp and it's got an opeth song (all i know is it starts with "when") which rocks my nads. i have to get more of them. what cd is that song on? sounds like a good one to start with. and thanks to everyone else for replying as well. moo. *** END OF TRANSMISSION *** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:43:47 -0600 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" To: Subject: Rick Firebreeches and DT Still Sucks? Message-ID: <005201be86a6$bd6bbc00$0201010a@chuck> >I was wondering who he was, as I knew the others but I was unfamiliar >with his name (Ricc Fierabracci). Any help will be much appreciated, of >course. *You see Korg's jaw drop to the floor* Ric kicks my ass. Everyone has already mentioned his solo in Yanni's The Rain Must Fall, but I think I like his solo in Dance with a Stranger better. That solo's so tasteful it's deliciously filling. I think he used to play for that Tower of Power group the drummer (Joel Taylor) came from. A damn good bass player, imo. Now I really can't wait for Planet X. >I heard that accusation before. Oh yeah, that metal band that >begins with "M"....a lot of people think that's what they did, right? No, it's just a suggestion. I'm sure DT wants to reach out to the masses as much as any other band. I think the long songs lately tend to be more of "Hey look at me play!" wankfests than stuff that actually fit the song like in the earlier albums. If you notice the trends though, many, many of the old 10+ minute song prog bands reverted in the 80's to writing simple 5 minute songs. Their fan bases grew and not many of their older fans weren't disappointed. Imagine if Rush had extended Tom Sawyer for 30 minutes leaving no room for Limelight on Moving Pictures (just as an example). I just really think DT could give us more by giving us less in a sense. Shorter songs = >more< songs. Either that or I'm the conceited one being greedy. :) I would just like to see them focus on their songs more than their talents. Sure, we all know they're some of the best players out there, but let's start checking their songwriting skills next. Sometimes I think (The midsection of ToT: It's Raining especially) DT wanks off too much and that section in particular was imo very pointless. It was great the first time I heard it but now I'm just as likely to want to skip it myself. Anyway, that's just my opinion. -- KorgX3 expects Mike to send him a boot to the head in the mail. ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4805 **************************