YTSEJAM Digest 4799 Today's Topics: 1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4798 by guillermo moloche 2) re: blah by "Isaac Trumbo" 3) Attn:NYC/LI/CT/NJ area. Live ICE AGE show this Saturday! by email_address_removed 4) RE: Derek... by email_address_removed 5) Derek vs. everyone by Steffen Barabasch 6) RE: Derek... by TheCowGod 7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4798 by Andy Putman 8) Sundance bootleg by Ryan Park 9) Chat logs, Rudess, Levin, Magna Carta by Gary Davis 10) APSOG by "J C" 11) huh? by "J C" 12) Ozric Tentacles tour; Godhead by "Paul W. Cashman" 13) Re: Subject: A Pleasant Shade of Giannotti by Syrinx 14) Re: A Pleasant Shade of Giannotti by "Giannotti, Nick" 15) Re: APSOG by Frank Benenati 16) Gathering by "Carlos A. Alfaro" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:12:12 -0500 (CDT) From: guillermo moloche To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4798 Message-ID: > From: TheCowGod > actually, that kind of thing was done 40 years ago. it's called "musique > concrete." as an example, check out Edgard Varese's "Poeme Electronique". > musique concrete is using prerecorded sounds from real life, such as > humming, singing, bells, train noises, as well as material that is > generated electronically. moo. I read something about that stuff in a book about music history. But anyway I wrote "sampled" (like in a synthesizer) and "sequenced" (in disco tempo or at random if you want). I didn't wrote "collages" of recorded bits. And finally you missed my point, which is that using unconventional sounds, different instruments or new technology does not make music more interesting necessarily. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 13:37:20 PDT From: "Isaac Trumbo" To: email_address_removed Subject: re: blah Message-ID: my god people!! i personally am glad derek is gone but sweet mary!! this whole thing that "mike" said was a complete fabrication on the part of our dear friend korg.. sarcasm - it's a wonderful method of conveing humor..difficult to grasp at first but once you finally do, i'm sure you'll appreciate it as much as myself and mr. ecksthrey inferno NP: fates warning - no exit >> >> So Derek sucked on 'boards'? Get your head outta >> your ass, jackass, Derek is a >> great keyboardist, differing interests does not mean >> someone sucks when a lineup >> changes... What's next? You gonna say KevMo >> sucked???? You piss me off with your >> ego man... GEEZUZ PLEEZUZ > >Mike would know man. He played in the same band as >Derek did. He has an unique perspective on the whole thing. >=== >*Trent _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:24:20 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Attn:NYC/LI/CT/NJ area. Live ICE AGE show this Saturday! Message-ID: This message is for all listeners of progressive music in the tri-state area....it is MANDATORY that you come and experience Ice Age live this saturday, April 17th, 1999 at "The Voodoo Lounge" 47-29 Bell Blvd.; Bayside, NY. Ice Age will debut material from their upcoming Magna Carta release "The Great Divide". Check their website for more info www.ice-age.com. See you there! Ricky C! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:44:34 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: RE: Derek... Message-ID: In a message dated 4/11/99 3:20:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, email_address_removed writes: << Derek is one hell of a keyboard player. A much better technical player than Moore was. Moore was better at writing than he was at playing. >> GASP!! Kevin is my God and I woship him, do not attack him like this:> Grin, nah, everyone has their opinion, I just loved Kev's style so much more then Derek's style...although I liked him too. I could never Derek sucked, because...well, I'm not ignoranrt of how good he is... RaY -Nothing is sacred!- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 23:46:43 +0200 From: Steffen Barabasch To: Ytsejam Subject: Derek vs. everyone Message-ID: Aw shit... Actually I didn't want to comment on this thread, but I just HAVE to ;-)! >I've not heard as many mistakes in Derek's playing as I did in Moore's >Hell Moore messed up in the Live in Tokyo video... during Wait for Sleep I >believe. Remember the difficulties Derek had with the small WFS reprise in LTL? When he played the whole piece for the first and only time in Rotterdam he had to concentrate that much, you felt that it was no fun for him at all, though he even simplified the left hand runs! His style is totally different, and it was always hard for him to play this classical polyrhythmic stuff. >I personally am worried about Jordan's style and sounds fitting in with DT. Listen to LTE2 when it comes out, these guys are just made for playing together. And they are aware of the fact that they are recording a DT album this time, and they know the DT sound better than anyone else, so don't worry. Maybe you won't like it, but it will always fit. Steffen -- Steffen Barabasch (mailto:email_address_removed) THE MIRROR - German Dream Theater Fan Club (http://www.westend.com/TheMirror) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:27:10 -0400 (EDT) From: TheCowGod To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Derek... Message-ID: > From: email_address_removed > Subject: RE: Derek... > > Derek is one hell of a keyboard player. A much better technical > player than Moore was. Moore was better at writing than he was > at playing. > >> > GASP!! Kevin is my God and I woship him, do not attack him like > this:> Grin, nah, everyone has their opinion, I just loved Kev's style so > much more then Derek's style...although I liked him too. I could never Derek > sucked, because...well, I'm not ignoranrt of how good he is... dammit korg, look what you did! it's going down in the history books - Korg Ecksthrey instigates derek vs. kev war #837. sigh. :P moo. *** END OF TRANSMISSION *** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 14:45:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Andy Putman To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4798 Message-ID: > I read something about that stuff in a book about music history. But > anyway I wrote "sampled" (like in a synthesizer) and "sequenced" (in disco > tempo or at random if you want). I didn't wrote "collages" of recorded > bits. And finally you missed my point, which is that using unconventional > sounds, different instruments or new technology does not make music more > interesting necessarily. No, unconventional stuff must still be done in a musical context. There's plenty of bad avant-garde music, but can you present me with any genre without bad music? Metal certainly doesn't quality. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:56:12 -0400 From: Ryan Park To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: Sundance bootleg Message-ID: Has Dream Theater written any new songs since 1989? Seriously. The quality of the Sundance bootleg (now available on Lines in the Sand, http://dreamtheater.mit.edu) sucks, but the songs are great. The Images and Words tracks, all recorded a year before I&W, sound very close to the finished products. A Change of Seasons sounds extremely similar to the 1993 Lost in the Sky version, itself pretty close to the 1995 release. Even the "Encore Covers Medley" sounds familiar -- many of the tracks from the Ronnie Scott's show are there! Even "Funeral for a Friend" (which I expected was a choice of Derek's... I had no idea they learned that in 1990!!) The quality of this show sucks, but it's a really neat picture of the history of Dream Theater. Also, if you like singing along to Dream Theater, there are no vocals here to stop you :) Bogie ROCKS. Thanks for the great site and the great shows. Now if you could just post a copy of the Rotterdam "Stained Glass" recording on there... Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 00:17:33 -0400 From: Gary Davis To: email_address_removed Subject: Chat logs, Rudess, Levin, Magna Carta Message-ID: Hi, folks: The latest Artist Shop newsletter is out and you'll find it in its entirety at . But here's a few tidbits for the enjoyment of DT fans! Let's start with IRC Chats. We've had quite a lot of chats recently and I've finally gotten off my duff and put up the chat logs for them. So if you go to the IRC page you'll now find chat logs posted for Jordan Rudess, and Rod Morgenstein/Derek Sherinian. And although not DT related, you'll find info on the same page about upcoming chats with Mick Taylor and Fish! ]From Magna Carta the eagerly anticipated tribute to Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Encores, Legends & Paradox - is finally out! This great tribute features performances by Peter Banks, Martin Barre, Robert Berry, Geoff Downes, Jerry Goodman, Glen Hughes, Igor Khoroshev, James La Brie, Pat Mastelotto, Doane Perry, Simon Phillips, Mike Portnoy, Jordan Rudess, Derek Sherinian, John Wetton and many more; and features many of the great ELP classics! On our Papabear page we have a very neat new item from Tony Levin, his new book, Beyond the Bass Clef. An early review: ".... a fun melange of wisdom that could have come only from someone who's logged as many road miles and studio hours as Tony Levin. At times whimsical and at times profound, the book provides a unique glimpse into the life of a top-echelon working musician. Nowhere else can you learn as much about bass and life--we all benefit from Tony's decades of experience with both." ------Karl Coryat, Senior Editor, Bass Player Magazine This is an absolutely wonderful book! I can't emphasize strongly enough that you don't need to be a bassist or even a musician to enjoy it thoroughly! I can't play a note on anything! But I found it very difficult to put this book down. Beyond the Bass Clef is highly recommended! On our Radiant Records page we have the brand new release from Spock's Beard, Day for Night! "The new record is like listening to FM radio in the early days of FM Rock when there was a great variety of styles to choose from," says Neal Morse, the group's prolific songwriter/vocalist/keyboardist/guitarist, who's eclectic new material reaches from the stirring pop ballad, Can't Get It Wrong, the the epic prog medley, The Healing Colors of Sounds, and then steps sideays to reveal the modern rock edged Skin and The Gypsy. "There are lots of harmonic and vocally challenging sections on several tracks like Gibberish and The Distance To The Sun that stand out as some of the most creative moments in Spock's history," adds Morse. "We had a lot of fun just coming up with new ideas that we felt were right for the moment without worrying about who's going to like it." Also in the New Label section we have good news for fans of Jordan Rudess and Rod Morgenstein! The Rudess Morgenstein Project is an amazing CD that was originally released by Domo Records. But it was a sad day when, not too long ago, Domo decided to let it go out of print! However, it seems that Jordan and Rod have their own nice little stash of this CD. And thanks to them we're now able to make this incredible progressive/fusion duet available again! Rod is a long time member of the Dixie Dregs and the band had recruited Jordan for their last tour. One night during that tour a power failure suddenly cut off the guitar, bass and violin rigs. For unknown reasons the keyboards remained unaffected. What followed was a spontaneous 10 minute drum/keyboard jam which inspired the creation of this project. And since we're discussing Jordan Rudess, there's another little gem hidden away in The Artist Shop on which Jordan played a very strong role that I'd like to mention. Many are completely unaware of this CD. It's called Free as a Bird by flutist Rhonda Larson. Rhonda had been, for quite some time, a member of the Paul Winter Consort. She is a virtuoso who can simply run rings around any progressive flutist you may have heard. Jordan plays on most of this album along with some of Rhonda's fellow consort members like percussionist Glen Velez and organist Paul Halley. This is not a new age album, more like a classical crossover with a progressive energy about it. For anyone who like's Jordan's CD, Secrets of the Muse, Rhonda Larson's Free as a Bird is simply a must have! You'll find it at . Spread the word! Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com email_address_removed phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:01:59 EDT From: "J C" To: email_address_removed Subject: APSOG Message-ID: >2. To the person that said APSOG is a masterpiece - you smoke pounds of weed >every day. >> What does everyone NOT like about the album exactly? Its awesome. Kevin sounds great, the music flows like its supposed to...its got prog elements but it doesnt just stay in that territory, it explores a little, though not too much. Its a good CD. I personaly only bought it because Kev does the keys and piano work, but I dont regret it one bit... OK...ok..so...i just picked up PSoG..im writing as i'M hearing it play for the 1st time Part 1 : Sounds like what would happen if music turned gray..(this is an outsiders/outlanders opinion) Part 2 : Heavy like BMS or 6:00 (almost) ;> I like this track Part 3 : I love the Rush interludes...it reminds me of George Lynchs "Sacred Groove" Part 4 : The beginning reminds me of Marillion and the other half kicks much SSS Part 5 : Except for the last minute and a half this song sounds like wasted effort Part 6 : This song is seven minutes and twenty-eight seconds of great songwriting..it starts out with the gray thing again and progresses from there Part 7 : Again...it sounds like wasted space (part 5) Part 8 : Obviously Kevins showcase...it started out cool...then repeated itself into An Unpleasant Shade of Monotony Part 9 : This song sounded almost improvised...i dont know whether to be angry or elated Part10 : This is definitely re-introducing the theme of the CD...very nice...A Pleasant Shade Part11 : This track is KILLER!!!...almost on a Metropolis level...only 3:35 but still blew me away! Part12 : Hmm....i dont know what else to say _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 04:14:00 EDT From: "J C" To: email_address_removed Subject: huh? Message-ID: Well IMHO "new" does not necessarily mean "good" or "better". That was the > selling point of "alternative" in the early eighties, "hey, metal is > formulaic and all bands sound and dress the same, let's try something new, > with more feeling". Metal is like "baroque" in the sense that the genre > does impose constraints in the composer(s) and performers, and the > challenge is to produce interesting things under those constraints. You > should listen beyond "fast solos" and "high singers". It's like rejecting > books because they are made of paper. HUH? what constraints? _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 02:12:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul W. Cashman" To: email_address_removed Subject: Ozric Tentacles tour; Godhead Message-ID: Hi, time for one of my once-a-quarter posts. (And this from someone who used to place in the Top 10 MFP list :)) For those of you who know or care, Ozric Tentacles is currently booking tour dates for a May-June US tour. Aside from the one-off shows they did in California last year, this is their first visit aince 94 or 95. So far, dates are confirmed for NY (twice, at the Wetlands), Philadelphia (at TLA) and Baltimore (Rechers). I'm hoping some Southeast dates are added; if they aren't, I'll have to roadtrip or fly up to see 'em. :) Apologies if this has already been posted here, although I did do a search for "Ozric".. :) Let me also toss in a couple of kind words for another band, Godhead. Over the course of two shows here within a week (one at a convention I help with), we got to become friends with 'em, and I've been playing them on my Ytseradio net radio show with some good responses -- some Ytsejammers have even purchased their CD (CDNow has it). They're goth/techno/industrial, and I have a strong feeling they'll get BIG. They're from DC but they'll be playing at least a month or two across the country with GWAR; neither band is what I'd call the height of progression (:)) but if you happen to check 'em out and say hi, tell 'em Paul from Atlanta says hi. They'll remember me; they crashed on our living room carpet when they last toured here. :) -- Paul W. Cashman | Listening to the city Whispering its violence email_address_removed | I set out watching from above ICQ #4151223 | The 90s bring new questions New solutions to be found Dream Theater --> I fell in love to be let down ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 06:18:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Subject: A Pleasant Shade of Giannotti Message-ID: > > << >2. To the person that said APSOG is a masterpiece - you smoke pounds of > weed > >every day. >> > > What does everyone NOT like about the album exactly? Its awesome. > Kevin sounds great, the music flows like its supposed to...its got prog > elements but it doesnt just stay in that territory, it explores a little, > though not too much. Its a good CD. I personaly only bought it because Kev > does the keys and piano work, but I dont regret it one bit... Because it's boring. If they would have shortened it to about 7 or 8 minutes and taken out all the repetitiveness, it would have been a great song. Sadly, they did not. It's, as far as I'm concerned, one of the worst albums ever made. But, of course, that's just my opinion. mike. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:18:43 -0400 From: "Giannotti, Nick" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Re: A Pleasant Shade of Giannotti Message-ID: email_address_removed asked, >What does everyone NOT like about the album exactly? Its awesome. >Kevin sounds great, the music flows like its supposed to...its got prog >elements but it doesnt just stay in that territory, it explores a little, >though not too much. Its a good CD. I personaly only bought it because Kev >does the keys and piano work, but I dont regret it one bit... It just never held my interest. I've never really liked Fates Warning as a whole. I think they have good songs here and there (i.e. Monument), but for the most part, they just don't hold my interest. So when APSOG came out, I was like, "Well, I've given them a try before, let's see if this can change my mind..." So I listened to it for about a month, and every time I listened to it I found myself saying, "This is boring. Just...boring." It wasn't that it isn't impressive in its own right, it's just that, to me, it was akin to watching paint dry. Eventually, I ended up attempting to listen to it and then not even listening to it. I simply thought that, like most of Fates' stuff to me, it's dull. I'm fully aware that I'm part of a minority on this list when I say that the CD bores me to tears (Bored, actually - I ended up trading it to a friend of mine for a Def Leppard CD. Now *THAT* should cause some flames to come my way). Remember, though, that one man's trash is another man's treasure Nicholas Giannotti x6745 Joint STARS Contracts email_address_removed ---------------------------------- Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:36:20 -0400 From: Frank Benenati To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: APSOG Message-ID: J C wrote: > > >2. To the person that said APSOG is a masterpiece - you smoke > pounds of > weed > >every day. >> > > What does everyone NOT like about the album exactly? Its > awesome. That one is quite simple. The album is painfully repetitive! It would do the album a great service to say that there are reoccurring themes, but that would be giving it way too much credit. APSOG, more accurately, is extremely redundant, with musical themes that don't offer any hope. Only sometimes, does the song give you hope that it will shift gears, when Jim Matheos takes a drastic left turn. Unfortunately, this 'left turn' makes it sound more like a few disjointed yet similar songs wrapped together, instead of one long song. When I bought APSOG and tried to give it every chance I could afford, the only conclusion that I was able to come up with was that Jim Matheos was trying to out-do Dream Theater in song length. Remember, Jim started writing APSOG (or had just completed, I dont remember that too accurately) around the same ACOS was being released. I'd be willing to bet, although they're friends, that Jim Matheos is quite envious of Mike Portnoy and Co. -- /\ /\ \_\/_/ . / _ _ \ . |\ |(*)(*)| /| #-----------------OOO---oo---OOO------------# # Frank Benenati - email_address_removed # # "Some of the nicest people are dogs" # # - Richard Dean Anderson # #__________________________ooo______________# ooo (_) (_) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:44:15 -0700 From: "Carlos A. Alfaro" To: email_address_removed Subject: Gathering Message-ID: Does anyone have a copy of "Leaves" as it was performed live by Anneke & The Mertropole Orchestra recorded Live at Paradiso, Feb. 12th '96, its on a compilation disc called "with a little help from my friends" from 1997 Please email me... im just interested in that song.. not on the cd...or maybe if you know where i could buy it online..that would be great too ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4799 **************************