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YTSEJAM Digest 4768 Today's Topics: 1) Live In Tokyo Video by email_address_removed 2) by "stan tyszka" 3) feelings... by Mike Pontrelli 4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4767 by "Indii" 5) re: musical messages by "gregor" 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4767 by "Kenn Jensen" 7) The Silent Man---A possible explanation??? by email_address_removed 8) Azazello - '98 by email_address_removed.SE 9) re: Scarborough Fair by Matt Smith 10) meaning in music/ learning the language by email_address_removed (Bruce Forst) 11) Rush........pieces of ass?? by email_address_removed 12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4767 by mjt 13) holding on to indispensability by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" 14) KJLB in 7th by "Al @ Switchcraft" 15) 'ryche's Scarborough Fair by "Ollila Marko" 16) communication, spectrally (ZDTC) by Jens Johansson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:23:25 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Live In Tokyo Video Message-ID: I have one very short question for the jammerz out there.... Ive been having trouble finding the video "Live In Tokyo"....im not too interested in buying it over the internet so does anyone know if its still available in most stores? thanks -john wells TX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:31:46 -0500 From: "stan tyszka" To: email_address_removed Subject: Message-ID: > THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3005141506_15871_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >Does anyone know of a good program or template for creating jewel >case liners for CDs? Shareware or freeware would be preferable. Actually, http://www.oasiscd.com. has templates that you can import into many programs. --MS_Mac_OE_3005141506_15871_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <no subject> >Does anyone know of a good program or template for creating jewel >case liners for CDs? Shareware or freeware would be preferable. Actually, http://www.oasiscd.com. has templates that you can import i= nto many programs. --MS_Mac_OE_3005141506_15871_MIME_Part-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:44:47 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Pontrelli To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: feelings... Message-ID: One of the great things about art that doesnt come right out and tell you what its about...you can enjoy it over and over and over and always get a diffferent message/emotion from it... thus giving it longevity. Because music often fits into this catagory, it has greater longevity than say, movies. The instrumental bits in music are always open to interpritation, thus allowing each listen to be unique. Movies come right out and tell you the plot, making them have short longevity. Masterpieces such as 2001, however, allow the mind to come up with its own conclusions and doesnt shove the plot/meaning down your throat, and hense Ive been able to watch it over and over and always enjoy it. Sorry for inane drivel.. im very exhausted.. -Ponte ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:52:15 -0500 From: "Indii" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4767 Message-ID: A quick announcement came across my desktop today: > Just a quick announcement here. Will try to post it on the tourdates page > before the date, but wanted to make sure everyone on the list had this > info. The Rudess/Morgenstein Project will be playing Boston`s Berklee >College of Music on March 31st. > > Thanks > > Gary Hill > Music Street Journal indii ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:15:28 +0100 From: "gregor" To: Subject: re: musical messages Message-ID: <000901be764c$551cdea0$message_id_removed.de> -But I think I've been spoiled with Derek. I love how huge those -sounds are. I love the variety... I will NEVER recover from the damage LitS -has done to me+ACE- :) Yes, yes, that it is. I do not know Rudess, but i am also not interested in comparisons. This great sound.......... I want to say thank you to Derek for the great music the years ago. Man, i love your sound, espacially LitS and ToT and i really hope that we will here more about you in the future. Listening to you was a delight, and i think i am by far not the only one with this opinion. BTW, what is he doing now exactly? I really hope and believe that the time with Jordan will be creative and progressive and i am waiting unpatiently for the release of the new album. Gregor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:07:51 +0100 From: "Kenn Jensen" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4767 Message-ID: <007001be764b$3725c700$aa09f2d4@kenn> Mark Peters asked: > ..I recently acquired a B-sides compilation of their stuff, and there > is a stunning rendition of Scarborough Fair on there. Does anyone know > when or why this was recorded? 'Scarborough Fair' is a left-over from the 'Rage For Order' recording session, but wasn't released untill 1990 as a B-side to the 'Empire' Maxi-single release (along with 'Prophecy'). Later Kenn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 18:13:11 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: The Silent Man---A possible explanation??? Message-ID: Hey everybody In my English class at school, we were reading "Barlteby" by Herman Melville (MOBY DICK) and i just happened to have my copy of "AWAKE" with me. Id figured out the night before when i was writing a paper over the story, the entire song ("The Silent Man") seemed to be an almost complete mirror image of the story... i freaked out totally of course....it was awesome....my professor is pretty lenient about letting us bring original insights into the classroom so i asked him if we could hear a real interesting musical rendition of "Bartleby". After a brief tutorial over the sophisticated nature of Dream Theater and their music, he complied. Besides making the whole class (and my teacher for that matter) fall in love with the song, we found many more common motifs (walls and masks and the fact that the main character rarely speaks) that existed in both the song and the short story. I wonder if this has any true basis in relationship to the song. Oh well...its pretty cool anyways.....give me your feedback John Wells TX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:24 +0100 From: email_address_removed.SE To: email_address_removed Subject: Azazello - '98 Message-ID: --- Inkommet fr=E5n INFODATA.SVA0193 +46 670 160 60 99-03-25 00.24 AZAZELLO - '98 RUSSIA Rating: * * * February 1998 VOLOS REC. Azazello is: Alexander Kulak - Guitars, Vocals Idris Faridonoff - Drums Dima Bakay - Bass Vitos Afanasev - Keyboards This is the first Prog-Metal band I've heard from Russia. It's nice to hear that this kind of music is played in every corner of the world, and not only in Sweden, Germany, Japan and America. I don't know how many Prog-Metal bands there is in Russia, but Azazello have to be one of the premier bands there. They're are all quite good musicians and their music is high quality too. As with the majority of other Prog Metal bands, Azazello's biggest influence is Dream Theater. They're also influenced by bands such as Symphony X, Kansas, Marillion, Queensryche and Gorky Park to name a few. The main different is that Azazello's album has been recorded in the Russian language. Russia is a very big country so they have chosen to sing in Russian. I guess that it's very hard to reach outside their homeland too, so why bother to sing in English. It doesn't bother me though, because the music stands out for itself. The recordings are made in a cheap studio, so the sound quality is suffering a bit from that. But all in all, this is a very good album with good musicians, and I think that if they only get a chance, they would surely make it big outside Russia too. If you're into Prog Metal bands such as Dream Theater, and are brave enough to try out the Russian alternative, I recommend you to give this album a try. Unfortunately I don't have a clue how to get this album, but I guess that a good start would be to send an email to band member Alexander Kulak: email_address_removed -Reviewed by Greger Ronnqvist- Email: email_address_removed.se Snail Mail: Greger Ronnqvist Risselasvagen 66 B 833 35 Stromsund Sweden ICQ No: 17275819 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the Prog-Reviews Mailing List: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/prog-reviews ------------------------------------------------------------------ Sonitus (http://www.progmusic.com/sonitus/index.htm) Tarkus (http://home.sol.no/~prognet/tarkus/) Wanted (http://members.xoom.com/moriensis/wanted/wanted.htm) Prog Net (http://www.prog.net/) Zeitgeist (http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/) Stormbringer (http://www.intonet.co.uk/~derekdaniel/) Midwestern Skies (http://www.angelfire.com/ms/MidwesternSkies/progressive.html) Through Different Eyes (http://hem2.passagen.se/caxen/index.html) ------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- 99-03-25 00.24 ---- S=E4nt till --------------------------- -> ytsejam(a)ax.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 18:34:49 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Smith To: Ytsejam Subject: re: Scarborough Fair Message-ID: Queensryche's cover of Scarborough Fair was originally released officially on the Anybody Listening? single. So, that was an Empire-era recording, but Geoff also recorded the tune with one of his previous bands (Myth, if memory serves). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Smith email_address_removed "Symphony X is the musical equivalent of the Hammer of God." -Joe DeAngelo ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:46:39 -0600 From: email_address_removed (Bruce Forst) To: email_address_removed Subject: meaning in music/ learning the language Message-ID: > If music >doesn't rise in me emotions, then it's not really something I can find >myself listening to -- and lyrics are not a prerequisite. I'm reminded of >listening to Brahms with a friend and watching her begin to cry because the >music was so moving... Music that conveys little or exceedingly trite >emotion is not something I listen to for the sake of listening - it's >background noise, not music, as far as I'm concerned. I like Aerosmith -- >but the majority of their songs aren't really something I find myself >enjoying *listening to*. I enjoy *hearing* the songs, but not listening to >them... That's something I have always enjoyed about DT. The bits in, as >previously mentioned, "Lie" and "Space-Dye Vest" and "Learning to Live" have when a creative artist or musician undergoes the processes of creating their art it may be for the sake of evoking certain emotions from their audience. Or maybe and more likely they are doing it because they have an idea or concept that they wish to convey. Music as with all art is mostly (in genuine, non "grab for cash" art that is) about communication. The artist has something that he/she wishes to say and they use their medium to accomplish just that. to be honest... its fairly easy to evoke emotions in people. Why do you think that all the big evangelical preachers love to have choirs? Music and loud speeches create an emotional response that they feel free to interpret for you. The same is true with advertisement; evoke an emotional response and offer an interpretation. HELL...even celine dion makes me tear up sometimes and I cant stand her. Her message is always the same though: SAP SAP SAP!!! waaa waaa waaa.... I see two possibilities. if you dont "get" what an artist is trying to communicate its either because: 1) they did a lousy job ! -or- 2) you dont understand the language ! both of these are possible, but in most cases I think instrumental music is a language that most people havent invested the time into understanding. Its not as easy to absorb and interpret as lyrics which speak in a language that most people already know how to decipher. the type of music you like depends on whether that music communicates to you in a way that you understand and can appreciate. so dont be suprised when you put on LTE and somebody says "do they ever sing?" or "is it all like this?" or even "how can you listen to this?" (this one curtesy of my own girl) its because they are looking for the language that they undestand and it isnt there for them. in order to "get it" they have to learn the language. so, thats another way to look at it. bruce email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:37:56 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Rush........pieces of ass?? Message-ID: In a message dated 99-03-24 17:30:51 EST, you write: << > First off, Pink Floyd and Rush were never rock'n'roll "gods" that girls ooed > and awed over, so I don't see that happening. Never? :) Guess you weren't at any of the concerts during the "2112" or "A Farewell To Kings" tours. BWAHAHAHAHAH!!!! We're talking easily selling out 20K+ seat venues. I remember seeing one or two girls there ooing :) >> You're right, I wasn't at those concerts. I was too busy playing in my sandbox at the time. Also, Rush has always sold out arenas, so I'm sure there had to be at least one or two girls hot for the guys. I just meant Rush and Pink Floyd weren't really known for sex appeal when they were younger, so I certainly don't expect anybody to be checking out Geddy Lee's ass or the bulge in Alex's pants these days. Bottom line, nobody cared what they looked like then, and they certainly aren't gonna care now. Their music is what everyone cared about. bwahaha..ha..ha.....ha........ha..............huh? - JK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:27:07 -0500 From: mjt To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4767 Message-ID: <000601be7666$ffdd7d80$a13fc998@hp-customer> >BTW, I thought of a killer new supergroup. Could you imagine Devin >Townsend, Kevin Moore, Jason Beiler, Roger Waters, and Terry Bozzio >together? hehehe. I'd pay huge money to see that. More cynicism than even >I could spew out in a year, and likely killer tunes, too. :) Yah, I know, >Terry's not cynical, but I can't think of any drummers that are. :\ Hmm -- problem is, see, that since Roger Waters believes himself to be the "greatest musician" since World War 2 (Or at least in the top five, but he could only think of two others up there with him -- Freddie Mercury and John Lennon) he might have a problem with working with so many other talents... Remember Pro's and Con's? Clapton got tiny billing -- his name was on the jacket maybe once. Then again, people change (yeah, right)... mjt -- "Love is an act of blood and I'm bleeding A pool in the shape of a heart." -- Kevin Moore of Dream Theater, "Space-Dye Vest" ICQ: 3856787 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:26:45 PST From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" To: email_address_removed Subject: holding on to indispensability Message-ID: About Holdsworth, I coulda sworn I had a tape copy of velvet darkness, with alternate takes on about half the songs filling out the second side....that item refuses to be found.....but during the search, I did find a tape of IOU, which just happens to be screwed up, but i also found a cassette of Livin Colour's vivid, which i didn't know i had, which happens to contain my all time favorite song (Cult of Personality), and nothing messed this discovery up so it's all good. about the stoned, who have suddenly become a daily topic of discussion around here.....(regarding the typo above, I was gonna go back and erase and correct, but i thought, i LOVE those freudian impulses) Just curious, do you think that band could survive the death or departure of either Keith Richards or Mick Jagger? They are a band that have gone through numerous personnel changes, and some part of me argues that they would actually be a better band if they ditched Keith, but then again, I don't think the public would "allow" them to continue as the rolling stones if either of those two were not in the band..... tying it all into DTC, which members of dream theater are indispensible to the franchise? I'm thinking Mike Portnoy and John Petrucci.....which means that James Labrie, John Myung and Derek....i mean Jordan are exchangeable..... in terms of Labrie, sure he's got a huge voice, one that really got them to where they are today, but in a band with the instrumental talents of Liquid Tension Theater, the vocalist must necessarily be the most replacable part..... given the recent bouncing of Derek Sherinian, and the following fact: (please feel free to correct if you know any better) John Myung and Platypus have some plans to record further as a unit, and perhaps even to tour. That suggests to me that John Myung is totally down with Dereke Sherinian as a musician and a bandmate, and may have had the least say in the replacement of Derek with Jordan Rudess in DT.... and if he has that little say in the running of his primary musical enterprise, he too becomes expendable in the scheme of things..... therefore, Mike Portnoy and John Petrucci are left standing as the true cornerstones of Dream Theater, Portnoy perhaps the strongest, at least as seen from this quadrant (the ytsejam) because of his participation in our forum...... I'm just spewing theories emanating from my brain at the end of a 19 hour day, not trying to start anything up....but if anyone would like to disagree.... partha Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:32:47 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" To: retaehT maerD Subject: KJLB in 7th Message-ID: James is in 7th place! Keep on voting. http://www.freevote.com/booth/favemale -- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead ------------------------------ Date: 25 Mar 99 08:21:54 +0200 From: "Ollila Marko" To: "email_address_removed" Subject: 'ryche's Scarborough Fair Message-ID: Greetings ye 'jamanoids.... ]From: Big Swifty wrote: >..I recently acquired a B-sides compilation of their stuff, and there >is a stunning rendition of Scarborough Fair on there. Does anyone know >when or why this was recorded? Um... I'm not 100% about this, but I think it originally was recorded on "the Warning" sessions as a more "metal" version, and finally released in a more polished format as a b-side of "Empire" vinyl single. _Mape_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:25:25 -0500 From: Jens Johansson To: email_address_removed Subject: communication, spectrally (ZDTC) Message-ID: On 05:14 3/21/99 -0800, you wrote: [Harry D' Amour] > This phase vocoder, where can I get it from? Does it do this time stretch > without changing the pitch? Does it produce good results? Yes! But unfortunately now I can't find a working pvoc DOS/x86 executable.. I know there's one at ftp://ftp.bath.ac.uk/pub/jpff/mdpvoc/ but I can't get it to work, it doesn't seem to know when the infile ends.. no idea why... bah.. it worked under W3.11 ISTR. There's source too, maybe I'll fix it if I have some time. Which I don't. So in the end the answer is no, I guess. :) (Another option (way tediouser but way cooler), find and install all of csound, convert the wave file to a .pv file with pvanal (becomes four times bigger!), write a csound score and orchestra to access it and generate the output.. you need lots of virtual memory for this if it's a big file, but it's a lot more flexible -- you can let a time pointer "play" over the spectrum file, hover at one point, go backwards slowly, etc..) [Ptacek] > Why do people need a beat when they want to dance? Why do people listen > to specific music at specific times? > [ ... lots of valid stuff .. ] > Music, to me as a musician, is more a language than it is a hobby or a fun > activity. I try to express something in what I write and what I improvise. > I think most people do. It's an old question; should music be considered business, communication, or expression? (Is sound air pressure, or spectra? Is light waves, or particles?) The answer, as usual, is yes. If we disregard business for a moment, it's sadly only the "same old question," but in disguise: "what's good music and what's bad music"... and we all know our own answers to that. But anyway! Communication? Well yes, music uses the same perceptive channels as language. Then like with any message, you have to consider the whole chain of events: Consciousness in originator -> emotion or thought in originator -> musical emanation -> delivery system -> recipient's ears -> emotion or thought in recipient (hopefully another conscious being!) If the "message" is delivered but not fully understood, is it truly communicated? What if you're only after causing an emotion and it fails to occur? This, if you care, is where you have to be careful: make sure the music can be understood or felt on many different levels. Put yourself in the listener's shoes. Remember, you lose control of it after it's in the ear canals of the poor victim! :) Business? Yes, unfortunately we're all part of the material world. There are various "delivery systems", all with different economics, all with varying degrees of efficiency or success. A communication chain is only as strong as its weakest link! Beginners often disregard this link as trivial and unimportant. It's not!! Expression? Well, IMO there are two kinds of musical ideas: the ones you get while you're fingering your instrument, and the ones you get in the bathtub. The latter are vastly preferable when it comes to large, sweeping structures in a composition, the former are useful in filling in the inevitable gaps and "white spots in the map" of the latter. Other people's opinions vary! Thank god! ... I've GOT to stop reading my email right after coffee... enough confused meandering BS for today. --- Jens. (offline) (http://www.panix.com/~jens/) ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4768 **************************