YTSEJAM Digest 4756 Today's Topics: 1) DT and DCI by Amanda Rosenblum 2) Bend over and say "ahh" by "Al @ Switchcraft" 3) odd seals by "Trevor W. Hoit" 4) Idaho's pack and release program... by "Al @ Switchcraft" 5) Re: Blind Guardian by "Jason T. Breitweg" 6) Re: Queensryche by "Jani Liimatainen" 7) A hunka hunka burnin' laser by "Al @ Switchcraft" 8) Re: Ytse-wives... by Adriana Califano 9) Life is Beautiful - even Queensryche by "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" 10) FII and Tony Levin by "Simon John Dodd" 11) Re: Queensryche by Tom Cox 12) Re: Jeff Beck by email_address_removed 13) Re: Jeff Beck by Jon Parmet 14) Re: The Planets in The Divine Wings? by Peter Geerts 15) Re:Queensryche by "Harry D' Amour" 16) shirley and aerosmith by Pat Daugherty 17) Re: Life is Beautiful - even Queensryche by Andy Putman 18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4755 by "Pat Sullivan" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 01:25:38 -0800 From: Amanda Rosenblum To: "email_address_removed" Subject: DT and DCI Message-ID: Ok, so it wasnt DT, but it's really awesome to hear of prog stuff being played by drum corps. Ill have to go back and see if I can find any old tapes of the Cavaliers doing this number. I've only gotten into prog in the last year or so, so I wasn't looking out for this, although I was a big drum corps junkie in 95 or so. Taking on prog metal on the field sounds like the perfect endeavor for the Velvet Knights. Too bad the IRS shut them down, they were lunatics. > +when the water breaks? Lemme guess, that was written by Mike Portnoy > +about the night his son was born? > + > > Actually that song was named when Petrucci's wife's water broke :) Sheesh, the DT guys must have super sperm.. their wives just keep shooting out kids like there's no tomorrow. ~~Amanda, the french horn player from hell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 03:42:07 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" To: retaehT maerD Subject: Bend over and say "ahh" Message-ID: > Sure, no problem. That would be right up my ass. > [Ahhh... [So that's where it is!!! Anyone want to go in there and get it out? [-mojoman Jonathan Roberts wrote: { How about that ytse-proCtologist guy????? { I'm sure he could handle the job. The topic certainly caught YOUR attention. Is there something you want to tell us? #as^jbf&jkledfj*gizzard-licker*%sd^@#jdk :) :) :) Fuckin' MIME shit.... -- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 01:44:49 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: odd seals Message-ID: > > And 5/4 is definitely one of my faves. The theme to Mission > > Impossible (not the U2 version, it's in 4/4) is in 5/4, and My Wave > by > > Soundgarden (which I like, even if nobody else does) is in 5/4, and > if you > > wanna hear a REALLY cool piece of classical music that I feel my > life's > > goal is to do a heavy metal arrangement of, listen to Gustav Holst's > > "Mars: Bringer of War" from "The Planets". For some 'jammers, it > might be > > kinda boring at first, but when it gets to the end, I think just > about > > everybody can appreciate it :) > Correct me if I'm wrong (one thing I can always count on this list > for) > but isn't the theme to the Halloween movies in 5/4 or 7/8 or some odd > meter? > Trevor Obligatory Seal content: A penguin was driving down the road and his car broke down. The guy at the shop said it would take a couple hours to diagnose, so the penguin walked into town for some ice cream. Being such a hot day, the ice cream melted all over the penguin's face. When he got back to the auto shop the repairman said: "It looks like you've blown a seal". To which the seal replied: "Nah, it's just ice cream". Bada bing, bada boom. :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 03:58:33 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" To: retaehT maerD Subject: Idaho's pack and release program... Message-ID: Baron Korganfondle wrote: >Subject: I've been holding back this turd for 12 hours! :P >KorgX3 needs to go let this sucker out. Keep up the good work! you'll have that adobe hut built in no time. NP: Steely Dan - AJA -- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 1999 11:10:36 +0100 From: "Jason T. Breitweg" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Blind Guardian Message-ID: Hi all, > =09I know most jammerz have heard of the German band, Blind > Guardian at le= ast once or twice. If you havent, i seriously > sugest you check them out. The= y are one of the most talented > bands out of Germany Ive heard and they have = been around for a > pretty long damn time. Check out www.mp3.com and select heav= y > metal from the music menu and check out some of their tunes if > your are interested. If anyone on the Jam has any additional > info on them....pleas= e send it my way cause ive conjured up a > huge buttache looking for their stu= ff all over the > place... Well, I for a fact know that both of the guys that run BG's web page (at www.blind-guardian.com) are two of the nicest guys that you could ever talk to or meet. One is Pedro but I forget the other guys name *evil grin*. Make sure to check out their web page for even more sound samples then are on mp3.com. Jason -- +-------------------+------------------------------+ | Jason T. Breitweg | Home: +49 (0)40 23 80 90 98 | | Muenzstr. 11 | Work: +49 (0)40 89 98 31 57 | | D-20097 Hamburg | FAX: +49 (0)40 23 80 90 81 | | GERMANY | Mobil: +49 (0)171 176 79 37 | +-------------------+------------------------------+ | E-mail: Jason.Breitweg@desy.de ICQ: 7495933 | | Web Site: http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg | +--------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:48:07 PST From: "Jani Liimatainen" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Queensryche Message-ID: >Yeah, but why choose this sort of a name if not to imply nazi >feeling? My only point is to know for sure whether or not they're on >the right side. So far,I haven't been convinced at all that they're >not neo-nazi. Oh boy,now I've seen it all...This is fucking insane! ~Jani~ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 04:49:30 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" To: retaehT maerD Subject: A hunka hunka burnin' laser Message-ID: Luke Bateup wrote: >I am looking at purchasing my first burner - I'm only looking at >purchasing a cheaper unit around $500 - $650 (Aus) - which brands are >the best to go for? Is there any particular ones that prove better than >the rest? I'm looking at either the Panasonic 8R4W, or Ricoh 6W2R2RW, >are these decent? If you are going to purchase a SCSI burner, I'd look at Plextor or Teac. If you are going to purchase a IDE burner, HP and A-Open (Acer) come to mind... -- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:00:18 -0500 From: Adriana Califano To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Ytse-wives... Message-ID: > If you want Tico Torres, you'll have to displace Eva > Herzigova, the wonderbra girl. I think she's his current squeeze. They are no longer together, there=B4s a rumour she dumped him for Leonar= do=20 de Caprio -silly, silly girl- so I think she can give it a try! ADRIANA ;o) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:22:56 -0000 From: "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Life is Beautiful - even Queensryche Message-ID: <83E9BD6E053FD111B35A0000F6093E2701A5BD22@LON01XBCAPGE> > Subject: Re: Queensryche It doesn't mean they are pro-nazi. Yet, it doesn't clear them from where I stand. My point is that I get suspicious when people use such terms as reich, > For starters, you need to wake up. You could start running around blaming everyone and everything of being anti-semitic if you wish. Metallica could be neo-nazis because they covered (or wrote?) a song called Blitzkrieg. Queensryche could be evil SS agents because of the use of the word reich. -oOo- Daniel, you're going to get yourself in all sorts of trouble if you want to start trying to litmus-test art like this. Concentration camp commanders liked Mozart, Hitler liked Wagner and Nietzsche. (Though Nietzsche's sister edited and spin-doctored his stuff to suit her own anti-Semitism). The Iron Cross was devised by Schinkel, the German Leonardo, in the early 19th century. The SS symbols were pillaged from Nordic runes. Even the swastika comes from somewhere else. I'd even go so far as to say that Laibach, a rather unsavoury band from Slovenia that consciously uses Nazi imagery and makes bad taste reference to the Third Reich, is not actually Nazi, just free-riding on the symbolism in the worst way. Humpty Dumpty said in 'Alice Through The Looking Glass' that 'Words mean what I want them to mean. You have to show them who's master.' Same with symbols. 'Reich' is not a word whose meaning is tainted forever. It's your head and your wallet. Decide for yourself what to do with them on the basis of the music itself. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:15:49 GMT From: "Simon John Dodd" To: "Caught In a Jam" Subject: FII and Tony Levin Message-ID: >and lead break is great. On the other hand, IMHO, Petrucci was >struggling in the lyrics department on FII (with the exception of >LitS), and any help he received may have been well advised. Don't let this descend into a flame war anyone (I'm sure it's been done long before I was on this list), but: Excuse me? With the exception of You Not Me (which had better lyrics BEFORE the re-write, let's face it), I'd hardly call JP's lyrics on FII laboured or anything remotely like it. Apart from YNM, d'you want to tell us which of JP's songs are weak lyrically? Ceartainly not Hollow Years, LItS, TAMP; arguably Peruvian Skies was a bit more metaphorical, so other than those....Oh that's right, he didn't write any others on FII. What're you on about (or indeed, just "on" would suffice), Brian? >Um, did he also mention that he's going to be part of Steven Seagal's >"solo" band? That, IMO, would be the gig to make people say that >he's a musical whore, not Seal. No, you silly prat; he's just a working session musician, trying to make a living the same as all of us. Get with it! If I got offered good money to tour with B*Witched or the f*cking Spice Girls, I'd jump at the chance. That doesn't mean I'm a muscial whore, it just means that I can swallow my pride enough to make a living (and that's the ONLY motive for touring with those 2 examples...). I suggest that you learn to do the same. Si ------------------------------------------------------ "If there's a pensive fear, a wasted year A Man must learn to cope If his obsession's real, suppression that he feels Must turn to hope" -John Petrucci email_address_removed.ac.uk email_address_removed http://members.tripod.com/Lord_Ibanez/Lord_Ibanez.html ------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:32:13 -0600 From: Tom Cox To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Queensryche Message-ID: oh GAWD... you place that much emphasis in band name/lyrical content stuff? the 'Ryche never give any impression they are *sympathetic* to that hitler BS... go sit on the pot and ponder some more perhaps? ;) <-----sarcasm smiley dammit!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:57:53 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Jeff Beck Message-ID: I'm off to see Jeff Beck tomorrow, at the Orpheum in Boston, and much to my surprise, it's sold out! It seems that more people than we think, remember Jeff Beck. I mean, Satch didn't even sell the place out last time! ~~Art > From: Jim Shields > Subject: Jeff Beck @ SXSW > > OH MY GOD! I saw jeff beck last nite here in Austin for South By > Southwest, and he stunned me to silence! All I could do was half-assedly > clap my hands and the end of the songs, I was so blown away. > but, jeez, I had no idea jeff beck was so modern sounding. I > figured on a show like Clapton or Page and Plant, where everything was > pretty old school (but still kick ass). But Beck was tapping and using his > whammy bar like crazy, even doing those weird flutters that I'd only heard > Ibanez players (Vai, Satch, and JP) do up till now. I used to think that > was a secret button on the high-end Ibanez guitars ;) You didn't know Jeff Beck was so modern sounding?? You and everybody else it seems. Unfortunately, nobody out there seems to be aware of the fact that Jeff Beck originated so many of the things that Satch and Vai picked up on in the 80's (and JP in the 90's). Specifically, playing strong melodic solos in the context of all flashy instrumental guitar work is the kind of stuff that Beck originated back in 70's. Check out Blow by Blow and Wired specifically to see the man in his prime. Adam>>>>>> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:20:03 +0000 From: Jon Parmet To: "I can't wait to, welcome in a new Kurzweilennium" Subject: Re: Jeff Beck Message-ID: Adam: > strong melodic solos in the context of all flashy instrumental guitar > work is the kind of stuff that Beck originated back in 70's. Check out > Blow by Blow and Wired specifically to see the man in his prime. Also, if you can find it, pick up "Rough 'N Ready", which Beck put out in '68. Contains a some more funk/jazz like grooves on there, but there's a couple of nasty parts too. Digital? HA! Forget about IC chips, the first transistors had just recently been created... Turn all yer processors off, boyeeeeeeeee. Here, you can have 'overdrive' and 'feedback' back. Let's see whatcha got now, son? :) DTC: Doesn't JP just make a TUBE seem so modern? :) Oh yeah, had some drummer on there too, nothing special, he was ok :) Maybe some would know OF him? His name was Cozy Powell (RIP). Regards, Jon -- "May your shit come to life and kiss you on the face." -- Frank Zappa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:56:47 +0100 (CET) From: Peter Geerts To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: The Planets in The Divine Wings? Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 email_address_removed wrote: > > < IMO the best metal use of "The Planets" to date.>> > > What part of this song has peices of "The Planets" in it? I checked the liner > notes and it doesnt say. Right after the choir part in the beginning. The first notes of guitar you hear... Actually, it's the main theme of the whole song. And no, it isn't in the liner notes, because it's not QUITE the same... but it's close... Cheers Zaphod NP: Haggard - And Thou Shalt Trust ... The Seer Symphony X - The Damnation Game Ayreon - Into The Electric Castle |Peter Geerts "...And for an encore, Man | |email_address_removed.ac.be proved that black is white | |ICQ: 13122363 (weekend) and got himself killed on | |Political Science Student the next zebra crossing..."| |Leuven University, Belgium (Douglas Adams) | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:29:10 +0200 From: "Harry D' Amour" To: Subject: Re:Queensryche Message-ID: >> OH GOD.......how can you get suspicious about Q, since they've created the >> masterpiece "Operation: mindcrime"? Have you read at least once the lyrics >> of this album? Please do...... >Of course, I have! But you can understand them two ways, depending on >which side you >stand. It's quite tendentious. What's the second way? I'd like to hear that.... >I haven't been convinced at all that they're not neo-nazi. >Nothing in their attitude, and nothing in their music or lyrics place >them clearly >on one side. From where I stand, their motivations to choose this name >are quite blurry. >And these very arguments are even used by extreme right wing throughout >the world. >It doesn't mean they are pro-nazi. Yet, it doesn't clear them from where >I stand. since you mentioned that right-wing thing, I think the first word that comes into my mind when I read the lyrics of OM is LEFT....what do you expect, that they go around yelling "fuck nazis" to prove they're not? And lose their skinhead fans?(jus' kidding about this one...:-)) Matej Grginic : >Actually that song was named when Petrucci's wife's water broke :) that's the best I've ever heard the past 2 weeks :-)))))) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 06:30:44 -0800 (PST) From: Pat Daugherty To: DT list Subject: shirley and aerosmith Message-ID: >From: "Isaac Trumbo" >To: email_address_removed >Subject: re: shirley >Message-ID: >well.. i think we can all agree that Aerosmith just isn't Aerosmith >anymore.. i mean .. there's a big difference between "chip away at the >stone" and this Crazy/Amazing/EverythingSoundsTheSame shit.. >but that seems to be synonimous with you point on Shirley.. >full sound.. but yeah.. bland.. I'm not saying whether newer aerosmith or older aerosmith is better, but Aerosmith had some lousy albums before their revival which started with Love in an Elevator. I think the band financially is definitely doing better and they are a lot more "popular" nowdays as well. Bands want to be successful to some degree and with Aerosmith, someone must be doing something right. The question is whether Shirley is right for DT... NP:nothing but the hum of this computer... == |----------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty Email: email_address_removed | | Web : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html | |================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | |----------------------------------------------------------------| _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 03:54:53 -0500 (EST) From: Andy Putman To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Life is Beautiful - even Queensryche Message-ID: > Leonardo, in the early 19th century. The SS symbols were pillaged from > Nordic runes. Even the swastika comes from somewhere else. Heck, it's a backwards Buddhist symbol. That's right up there with Hitler being neither blue-eyed OR blond-haired... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:26:17 -0500 From: "Pat Sullivan" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4755 Message-ID: > Yeah, but why choose this sort of a name if not to imply nazi feeling ? My > only point is to know for sure whether or not they're on the right side. The "right" side? You mean YOUR side, right? Let me explain something. If simply using the word "reich" makes someone a Nazi sympathizer, then you must be one, because that word has been sprinkled throughout your posts. See how silly that sounds? I hate people who try to assign hidden meanings and agendas to language. They're just words - by themselves they are harmless. Show me any ACTIONS by the band that would back you up and I'll think about it. ~Pat says "dick" a lot, so he must be one. ___Pat Sullivan_____________________________________ Email: email_address_removed ICQ: 23499229 AIM: TOWHTSTS WWW:__ http://home.ici.net/~psull/psull.html _______ Real programmers don't document. If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4756 **************************