YTSEJAM Digest 4695 Today's Topics: 1) And who the heck are Collective Soul and 311?? by "Jeremy Kube" 2) Pier 6... by "Blevins, Mike" 3) Michael Kiske by Robert Taylor 4) Same old BS. . . by "Tom Walling" 5) If you want proof that polls lie... by email_address_removed 6) More quickie album reviews by David Dixon 7) For the drummers out there by "Scott Sturdivant" 8) Reviews of Dreamscape, Winterland, GB Arts, All Too Human etc. by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnar?= Bevolden 9) VOTE KORN ON TRL! by email_address_removed 10) Re: Stump the Jam by "Mike and Vanessa Patrick" 11) re: bands by Mike Coulam 12) DT Tribute CD?!?!? by email_address_removed 13) MIME on the jam by email_address_removed 14) Houston, We Have a Problem by "Korg Ecksthrey" 15) From Tom by email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:32:06 -0500 From: "Jeremy Kube" To: Subject: And who the heck are Collective Soul and 311?? Message-ID: <000701be5f73$f76f5920$message_id_removed> In response to the German jammer who asked "And who the heck are Collective Soul and 311??" Collective Soul is a popular rock band, kind of like Matchbox 20. They can be on the harder edge, or they can be soft. In fact, their new song is very heavy and pretty cool (for a popular act) Collective Soul has a cool story behind them. The guitarist (his name I cannot remember) and the singer (who I think are brothers) produced an album in which the guitarist did the guitar and bass work and used a drum machine for the drums, sent in a demo or were asked for a demo; and they were given a bunch of musicians to form a band. Their first hit "Shine" was a cool song. Their follow up album was (I think) the top selling album (pop) of 1996. (correct me if I am wrong) Anyway, I think their stuff is pretty cool. 311 is one of my favorite bands. I have everything that they have ever done. Personally, I am a fan of bands that tastefully add rap to their music. For example, Rage Against the Machine and 311. They are funky hard edge rap and fantastic vocals. Almost all the members play instruments (one sings and uses a turntable) and are very talented. Their last album was a mix of lighter music with some light rap. In fact, this album has some progressive tendencies. Its called Transistor. Big-time 311 fans were not appreciative of this album, but I am. In response to the guy who posted that the 90's were a good time for music.. I couldn't disagree more!! I think that the 90's were a very sad time for music. I watched music go into the dumpster. All of the music produced (within reason) was poor and untalented. Nirvana stinks!! It was the return of a maximum of 3 chords in a song. No time changes (which is okay if the song is good) cheezy lyrics (which have no point) and bass lines straight out of early Van Halen. Just my opinion. However, I do see a definate light at the end of tunnel. I see 80's stuff coming back (good 80's stuff) and more fun music. People don't seem to admit that they love the stuff from the 80's, but they do. People are bored with the 90's. I HOPE HIP-HOP DIES!!! Die eMpTV! DIE!! Jeremy Kube email_address_removed email_address_removed email_address_removed "This Job would rule if it weren't for the f*$king customers!" Randall in "Clerks" "If I had breasts, I would never leave the house, ever." John Perreault ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:30:26 -0500 From: "Blevins, Mike" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Pier 6... Message-ID: <413835162AC9CF11AE9602070116CC5ED5C408@AMSC_NTAS> > > Hmm. Mike may have only noticed that time, but I know that > there was at > least one more. Does anyone remember being at the Summer 1993 (I > believe the date was June 23) show at the Pier 6 concert Pavilion in > Baltimore MD? As they played the end of Learning to Live, the whole > audience was singing the "oh"s at the end of the song, and > there was James > pointing the mic out at the crowd. I remember it vividly. > Does anyone > else? Yep, I was there - that crazy day that it was raining sideways and half the light show blew out during GC's set. The audience was singing along to that part, absolutely - or at least MY section was. :) A funny thing happened at that show. My date and I were walking up to the box office to acquire tickets when I saw a 98Rock D.J. I know, who hooked me up with pretty good ones for free. Made the day even that much better... Mike Division ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:02:49 -0600 (CST) From: Robert Taylor To: email_address_removed Subject: Michael Kiske Message-ID: Could someone tell me how Michael Kiske's "Instant Clarity" album is? Private e-mail is fine. Is it at all comparable to any Helloween albums? Thanks. Robert Taylor email_address_removed http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~rctaylor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:26:12 PST From: "Tom Walling" To: email_address_removed Subject: Same old BS. . . Message-ID: OK- here's my bit for the month. . . I was listening to Fates Warning's A Pleasant Shade of Grey, and I noticed that many times, I couldn't hear an overpowering keyboard sound, even though I knew damn well that it played a huge part in the overall sound and themes of the album. So I thought to myself about the old DT stuff I had listened to so many times, and I realized that a lot of Kevin's stuff is like that. It seems to me that he is not only a superb musician, but also a very concious listener- he knows he doesn't have to blow through scales at 200 bpm in order to play good music. I know I said before that I thought Derek was only good at taking other's parts and playing them. I think he plays very well, and does do a great job of playing other parts with a little of his own influence added. But his style differs greatly from that of Kev. . .just different- not better or worse by any means. So I have to wonder- I know Jordan is an excellent songwriter, just as Kevin was, but he also is an exceptional player, just like Derek was. So I have to think- what a find Jordan was- the best of both worlds. Hell yeah- this shit IS going to be insane. Not to mention the fact that Mr. Portnoy is going to be doing his thing all over this bastard. When is it coming out again? Damn; I sure as hell can't wait for it. Tom P.S.- Don't worry about my mention (or lack thereof) of John or John. I think we all just take for granted that anything with their names attached is going to be amazing, no matter what it is. What a lineup! Later ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:32:41 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: If you want proof that polls lie... Message-ID: I was reading in the paper today that Courtney Love was named best female guitarist, thus receiving an award named after some guitar innovator (Gibson, I think) . I forget who the best male guitarist was, (Kenny Wayne Sheppard maybe?) but give me a break. If there is any Hole song any semiprofessional guitar-player on this list couldn't duplicate while intoxicated (Mike? Chris?), I'll eat my, uh, hat. And what's the with the big spam posts on the jam lately? NP: Gordian Knot Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:49:22 -0700 From: David Dixon To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: More quickie album reviews Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C96056498092BE@messaging> Alright, here are a couple more CD's I got in the last few days (damn, I buy a lot of 'em)... NIGHTWISH - 'Angels Fall First' What a CD to start off with. Damn - great songwriting, great everything. Only bad parts of the disc are Tuomas' vocals (not exactly what one would consider ON-KEY) and the production is decent, but not nearly as stellar as 'Oceanborn' (see below). Tarja, as we all know, is a goddess with an amazing voice which lends itself very well to Tuomas' dark lyrics. This disc is a little more subdued than 'Oceanborn', layering Emmpu's acoustic guitars with flutes and things (I THINK them flutes 'er synthesized, but they sound pretty damn good to me). Great disc - highly recommended by yours truly.... (4 of 5 stars) NIGHTWISH - 'Oceanborn' This is one of the best CDs I have EVER bought. They finally got their shit together and let Tarja sing all the time. This album is much heavier and more gothic-influenced than AFF, and is by far its superior. The production is excellent, and again the songwriting is superb. Nothing is overdone (no obligatory wanking), and nothing is missing. Simply a great CD. I would say Nightwish is a cross between a more subdued Stratovarius and Type O Negative (hello, read the lyrics :)), but with an amazing vocalist (not to say Peter Steele isn't - he's one of my favorites). Also, they have a new member on this disc, bassist Sami (it tends to annoy me that they don't list their last names, but I'm sure I'll get over it). MICHAEL MANRING - 'The Book of Flame', 'Thonk', and 'Towards the Center of the Night' Michael Manring is the man (no pun intended). I was first turned on to him by 'Attention Deficit', which I reviewed last time. A fellow jammer e-mailed me and said I should pick up 'Thonk' (thanks Jon!). I couldn't find it, but I found 'The Book of Flame', his most recent release. The other two are out of print, but I found them used at the Mill/University Zia (for the Tempeans among us). All I have to say is 'WOW'. The man is amazing - he does things with them basses I didn't think were possible. Also, he helped invent the 'hyperbass' - a bizarre creation which you can see on his website, http://www.manthing.com - which apparantly can change tunings on the fly (using it, he changes tunings over 100 times in the song 'The Enormous Room', from 'Thonk', which is 4 minutes long). Oh, and by the way, he doesn't even tune his 10-string bass (same strings as a 5-stringer, with each string having a thinner double) in octaves, or even in the same intervals (i.e. low to high: BB F#B BC# C#F# F#C#) Anyway, this dude is a genius, and is untouchable as far as I'm concerned, and I again thank Jon Parmet for the info... :) David Dixon, MCP Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. email_address_removed email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:32:27 -0500 From: "Scott Sturdivant" To: Subject: For the drummers out there Message-ID: <006101be5f84$cc3ca1c0$message_id_removed> ATTENTION ALL DRUMMERS: Just a question for you....I think I have smaller ear canals that most people or something because ear plugs just WON'T go in for me. Just curious if anyone else out there has this problem and what their solutions are. Any help is greatly appreciated, but please, not on the jam as I'm sure most people don't want to hear about my too small ear canals :) Scott. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 00:08:23 +0000 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rnar?= Bevolden To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Reviews of Dreamscape, Winterland, GB Arts, All Too Human etc. Message-ID: Hello ! Our webpage has been updated with reviews on Dreamscape, Winterland, GB Arts, All too Human, Abstracta etc + news on Luca`s (Rhapsody) and Olaf`s (Labyrinth) upcoming solo albums + the latest prog metal news. Please visit our website and check it out ! Go to: http://hem2.passagen.se/caxen/ Bye, Bj=F8rnar, Norway ! NP: Crises: S/t --=20 Writer for the Online Archive of Progressive Music Reviews and=20 News; Through Different Eyes: http://hem2.passagen.se/caxen/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:27:42 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: VOTE KORN ON TRL! Message-ID: hey jammers, I know Korn isn't prog but right now they are the closest link to metal on MTV. We got to try to get metal back on MTV instead of this weak Rap and boy band shit. Making metal the more dominant role on MTV would give DT a better chance at getting on MTV. This is just an idea. Just take a few seconds to vote for Korn on TRL. Do it by email not by phone...it's a lot easier. Later Jammers, Justin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:59:32 -0500 From: "Mike and Vanessa Patrick" To: Subject: Re: Stump the Jam Message-ID: <000301be5b89$f98458c0$message_id_removed> Arrrggghhh...I don't even bother to call the radio station, because nine times out of ten I think they're playing a tape while all the kids are in school. It's frustrating when you even have some of the lyrics, and you still can't get the song. Good guess by Mr. Patek. The Aquarium Rescue Unit sounded great (clips at cdnow), but almost a little too flashy for the tune I heard. Oh well, I'll keep listening, and maybe I'll get lucky. Orgy didn't quite fit the bill either. They sounded kinda goth/industrial and I was looking for pop/electronica with a straightfoward singer. And Johnny Lang is too young to sound like the blues guy. One more while I'm at it: 'I can't keep changing just because...you think I should' and '...In the quicksand'. Lots of loud guitar, kinda sounds like the Canadian band that did 'Superman's Dead'. Anyone? Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:24:40 -0500 From: Mike Coulam To: email_address_removed Subject: re: bands Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990223212440.006e16dc@magma.ca> Hey Jammers .... Just had to throw my two cents in on this one. I think a couple musician= s that were missed are Ozzy and Stevie Ray Vaughan. Ozzy's been releasing great music since "Blizzard of Ozz" and selling out arenas consistently ever since. His Ozzfest tour is one of the highest grossing tours each year. And, as for SRV, I know he's been dead for close to nine years, bu= t his music is still selling, enough for Sony to cash in by offering remastered CDs and a second Greatest Hits CD. Supposedly, a box set is i= n the works, but it's being delayed time after time. Honourable mentions include Sepultura (recording since '85) and Pantera (even though their 80s music sucks, their 90s stuff is great). Mike "No matter what the trouble, we carry =91round inside, We=92re never safe from the truth, but in the truth we can survive." --- Wall of Denial - Stevie Ray Vaughan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:09:10 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: DT Tribute CD?!?!? Message-ID: I had to see it for my own eyes, so I went to the Empty Tremor site.... Yep, there's an upcoming DT Tribute CD on the way! Seems it's gonna be a 2 CD set with the second CD being original material from the bands on the 1st CD. Hey, Arash, keep us all posted on this project. It sounds like something I may want to check out when it's released. Thanx. Laterz.... Matt T. NP: Metallica "Whiskey In the Jar" CD Single Part 1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:19:28 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: MIME on the jam Message-ID: <19990224051429.HRIE1138@metropolis> Yeah, these MIME posts are getting out of hand. I too have mailed Skadz about it with a suggestion/question. My thought was the mailinglist software may have some filter capabilities to look for specific words in the incoming letter such as "Quoted Printable" which is what causes the MIME post. If you read some of the MIME posts, it says it's encoded using quoted printable. So if the software detects that phrase in the header or body (my guess is it's not a commonly used phrase) then bounce that letter back to the sender with a message saying "don't post in MIME" or whatever. Yeah, I can set up filters on my end for that too, however being that I'm in digest mode, it doesn't do me (and really anyone else in digest mode) any good. My choice is to what, delete any incoming mail (therefore an entire digest) if it contains that phrase? So no, that won't work. I know, I can change to ACK mode but it is inconvenient (for me) to get 50+ pieces of mail per day when it's really the sender's responsibility to read the rules and don't post in MIME. The thing is there are many who don't realize they are posting in MIME, I doubt they do it intentionally to piss people off. So notifying them somehow would help. I have been e-mailing people if they post in MIME letting them know that they are, that it's not allowed, etc. It helps cause generally they turn MIME off, but then another new person posts the next day and it's the same thing. That's why it seems some kind of filter would help more, if it's actually available. These posts are beyond just annoying. My e-mail program (Eudora 4.0) for some reason can't handle MIME (if it's in quoted printable) and the rest of the digest after the offending post is just one big, unreadable paragraph. So I do hope that this gets solved somehow. If anyone has any comment about this, please let me know cause I'm curious if this could even work. Or if there's something I can do on my end to deal with it for now. Thanks! Take care, all.. Irene ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:20:03 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" To: Subject: Houston, We Have a Problem Message-ID: <004a01be5fb5$586843e0$530d84d0@default> >> Saigon kick? Saigon kick back to the CD store, sounds like an >What??? No, no, no, no no. Extreme copy? That's gotta be the single worst hehehe. I agree completely. Saigon Kick may be in the same category as Extreme for that ONE album, but that is all. They're style and writing seems to change with every album. IMO, the best Saigon Kick album isn't even an SK album, tho. Jason Bieler's solo album called "Jason: Houston, We Have A Problem" is probably my 2nd favorite album of '98 (after Ocean Machine). It's so damn diverse that I can't rub my tummy at it. People who enjoy this album should have a WIDE taste in music. There's everything from a retro-Beetles song to a couple of techno tracks, a couple of dance type tracks, a new age track... Wacky but wonderful stuff. It's like the ultimate rock meets techno album on a par with Ocean Machine, yet on a completely different golf course... Don't expect any shredding guitars or keyboard wankery. This album is layered as hell, thick enough to eat with a collostamy bag or something. Anyway, SK fans oughtta love it, and people who don't think SK's more than an Extreme copy would be surprised at this one... keep in mind that Jason basically writes all of SK's music, and this was just an album he released with stuff he felt deviated too far from the course of the actual band. (I don't think so.) So... anyone who's got $15 or so to spend and is willing to take a chance on a new album oughtta run out and pick this one up. heh -- KorgX3 heh NP: Jason: Houston, We Have a Problem ------------------------------ Date: 2/23/99 11:01:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: From Tom Message-ID: Dear Achiever, If there was a way that you could earn $10,000 during the next 30-60 days ... and then to establish a regular income of $2,000 to $5,000 per week ... working on your personal computer from the comfort of your home or office by simply inviting people to visit our Web Site, where our fully automated, proven, Internet-Marketing System will take over and do the qualifying and marketing for you, would be interested in at least finding out how? 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