YTSEJAM Digest 4689 Today's Topics: 1) Re: 90th Anniv JP guitar by Carlos Alfaro 2) Re: Silent Man backing vocals? Who? by "Korg Ecksthrey" 3) Dream Theater FAQ by The Sandman 4) Re: LTE live mp3 by Alan Estrada 5) Re: Dream Theater FAQ by TheCowGod 6) no DT/ check out MP3's!!! by Vaiman 7) Re: Timescape - Two Worlds by Xanadu Records 8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4687 by email_address_removed 9) JEM7VWH vs. JPMP4 by Robert Jurado 10) Re: Meshuggah and Angra counterpoint by Younis Hilal 11) Re: Silent Man backing vocals? Who? by "Cody" 12) LITS - From the Vaults: The Dance of Eternity by Nick Bogovich 13) Re: Silent Man backing vocals? Who? by Andrew Coutermarsh 14) bands and their lastingness by TheCowGod 15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4688 by email_address_removed 16) OIALT Question by Andrew Coutermarsh 17) Platypus in Europe by "Raivo Hool" 18) vai, snatriani by "Raivo Hool" 19) planned obsolescence NDTC by "Trevor W. Hoit" 20) guitars/gathering by "Trevor W. Hoit" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:27:12 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: 90th Anniv JP guitar Message-ID: Robert Jurado wrote: > Let's say I won the lottery. Could I walk into a store and buy an > 90th Anniversary JP model guitar? you can order them at http://www.edromanguitars.com heh i know ive plugged that site before..but i just find it really cool..specially the ones they build for you.. and some of his featured guitars.. oh and he can paint the JP design on any guitar you want too....and his shop is damn good doing it...he even replicates satriani's wierd faces guitar... -- Carlos A. Alfaro SysAdmin.: Internet Solutions Inc. mailto:email_address_removed / mailto:email_address_removed (ICQ)1254229 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:28:11 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" To: Subject: Re: Silent Man backing vocals? Who? Message-ID: <004d01be5dfa$5ffd5e40$510d84d0@default> >Hi. There is a well-kept secret I'm going to let out of the bag. The >secret is that there actually is a Dream Theater FAQ (Frequently Asked LOL! I don't think this is in the FAQ is it? I can't think of any people who even have the SHEER audacity to even vocalize such a >pathetically< trivial question. How ludicrous! Like, who cares anyway?!? Sheah, yeah! If all you people actually while away your time pondering such *cough cough John Purdell hack hack did backups cack cack* (excuse me, hairball)... Screw this. I'm not wasting my time on the topic... -- KorgX3 is the fountain of trivia. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:18:13 -0500 (EST) From: The Sandman To: email_address_removed Subject: Dream Theater FAQ Message-ID: Since it seems like a whole bunch of people are interested in the FAQ, here it is: http://www.ipe.tsukuba.ac.jp/~s963713/html/dt/dtfaq.htm I read like, the whole thing right before I joined this list a couple nights ago (in fact, that may be where I found out there WAS a list). There's a lot of stuff there about who sings what when, what funny looking symbols mean something, which ones don't really mean anything, and what the hell some of these guys were thinking when they wrote some of the lyrics (I thought the story of the collaboration on "Take the Time" was pretty neat). SEE YOU IN THE FUNNY PAPERS!!! _____ _ _ ____ ___ __ __ _ _ _ _ __ __ _ |_ _|| | | || __| / / / | | \| | | \ | \ / | / | | \| | | | | |_| || |_ < < / | | . \ | | \ | \/ | / | | . \ | | | | _ || _| > > / /| | | |\ | | >| . . | / /| | | |\ | | | | | | || |__ / / / / | | | | \ | | / | |\/| | / / | | | | | | |_| |_| |_||____| /__/ /_/ |_| |_| |_| |_/ |_| |_|/_/ |_| |_| |_| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:52:12 -0600 From: Alan Estrada To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: LTE live mp3 Message-ID: what's the URL for bogie's URL? email me privately if you want to --- http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/2025/ Alan Estrada Adler, ICQ #9267174 Monterrey, Mexico -------------------------------------------------------- TAKE NOTE OF MY NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:45:05 -0500 (EST) From: TheCowGod To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Dream Theater FAQ Message-ID: > Since it seems like a whole bunch of people are interested in the FAQ, > here it is: > > http://www.ipe.tsukuba.ac.jp/~s963713/html/dt/dtfaq.htm there's a slightly easier to find version (that i would trust to be - heh - more up to date) at http://www.dreamtheater.net/faq.htm - i'd go there. moo. -- "You are what you eat, you fucking cannibal!" -- KorgX3 *** END OF TRANSMISSION *** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:51:16 -0800 From: Vaiman To: email_address_removed Subject: no DT/ check out MP3's!!! Message-ID: Check out my friends MP3's. He is from Kansas City. VERY TALENTED. progressive with MANY styles. He wrote/produced and recorded all the music. check out: (let me know what you think)) http://www.mp3.com/music/Rock/4758.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:35:42 -0500 From: Xanadu Records To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Timescape - Two Worlds Message-ID: >=20 > TIMESCAPE - Two Worlds SWEDEN > Rating: * * * 1997 > NETTLE SPACE PROD. > NSP-AA001 > Time: 48:38 minutes >=20 > This is a strong debut album from a Prog Metal band from Sweden > with influences of Dream Theater and Queensryche. Maybe you could > say that they are a Dream Theater clone, and you could criticise > that they aren't that original. That was the negative things, > here's the positive. >=20 > The musicians are skilful and the singer is a little bit > reminiscent of James La Brie of Dream Theater. And although he > don't reach the same high standard as James La Brie, he's isn't a > bad singer at all. Most notably is the bass player that is very > talented. With all due respect, you are on crack. Timescape sounds NOTHING like a DT clone. If anything they sound a BIT like Queensr=FFche, but DT they are not. This, IMHO, is a KICK-ASS release The opening track is so far off the map as far as what's been done previously by "Prog-Metal" bands it's not even funny. The disc runs the gamut from sublime to in-your-face, it took me about 20 listens before I even caught the scope of the musicianship displayed in Silent Room Of Time. And much like Queensr=FFche's Operation:Mindcrime, every time I listen to it I hear something new. That's not to say it's on par with O:M, but just that it's a very cerebral disc, there's more going on than you initially realize. These guys are FOR REAL! Just my opinion... John DiBella President/Xanadu Records http://idt.net/~rsch1/index.html * Be EXCELLENT to each other! * Bill S. Preston, Esq. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:00:13 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4687 Message-ID: Yes there was a video for Take the Time. Its on the offical home video. Not the new one. Images and Words: Live in Tokyo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:07:57 +0700 From: Robert Jurado To: email_address_removed Subject: JEM7VWH vs. JPMP4 Message-ID: any opinions? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:07:27 -0800 (PST) From: Younis Hilal To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Meshuggah and Angra counterpoint Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Feb 1999 email_address_removed wrote: > From: "Dave Peterson" > > I can't decide if these guys are musical geniuses or musical idiots. > I have no doubt that they spend ENDLESS hours compiling the technicality > of their songs. I have a sneaking suspicion that the 2 guitarists are > also very adept percussionists in their own rights. Heh. Maybe. One thing's for sure: they must have some wacked-out counting system:). > > This band is a drummer's dream, folks! ;) Haha. No shit!:) > > Listen to one second of track one and it sounds exactly like the first > second of pretty much every track of the album. Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say that every track on the album is like that. You're right, though, there are some very strong similarities through most of the tracks. > I just can't decide if I like them or not. Apparently, the album I've > listened to (Chaosphere) is their most technical and difficult to listen > to. According to some, it's not their best either. Their talent is That's probably the most popular opinion, that chaosphere might be their weakest release yet. I won't agree with that yet. This CD is still hard for me to get into, but I really haven't listened to it too many times. Still, Contradictions Collapse, None, and Destroy Erase Improve all won me over right away. It's hard to put my finger on why chaosphere is taking longer to grow on me. One thing it's definitely missing is some of the grooving riffs that were present (yes, even through the polyrhythms!) on the other CDs, which is unfortunate, because I thought that was a strong feature of their songs. I believe one thing that was a major factor with chaosphere is that the band sort of rushed through the song-writing and recording process for this CD. I remember reading on the band's official webpage that, as Meshuggah went into the studio, Fredrik Thordendal had some doubts as to whether the songs were ready or not. Another thing is, the song "Sane" on the CD strikes me as the most polished, well-thought-out (in terms of how the song moves from one theme to the next) song on the CD. Sane was released in '97 on an EP in much the same form that it is on the Chaosphere CD, so it's been completed for some time now. I don't know anything about the other songs, but I'm guessing they didn't spend as much time working on them as they did on Sane. > undeniable and I don't want to give up on these guys. Just thought I'd > give my impressions of this VERY unique industrial-metal band. Unique is right. One thing about Meshuggah is that these guys really have carved out their own niche. If you hear a song by them, you won't mistake them for anybody else. Very distinctive sound and playing. Younis email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:30:30 -0800 From: "Cody" To: Subject: Re: Silent Man backing vocals? Who? Message-ID: <002801be5e24$767ba1c0$message_id_removed> >Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 15:41:48 -0500 >From: "stan tyszka" >To: email_address_removed >Subject: >Message-ID: > > >> >>Ok, this has been bugging me for awhile now... WHO does the backing vocals >>on Silent Man? >> >>Listening to dead air for radios, it almost sounds like KM, but I can't >>really tell... I honestly don't think its KJLB, but I might be wrong... Can >>anyone help straighten this out? > Well ummm, I would assume it's John Petrucci cuz in the Silent Man video it's him mouthing all the background vocals.. And he usually does backgournd vocals at concerts n stuff anyways so yeah I think it's him. Cody Allsup NP: Incubus S.C.I.E.N.C.E. (ever heard em?? badass crap!!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:35:37 -0500 From: Nick Bogovich To: email_address_removed Subject: LITS - From the Vaults: The Dance of Eternity Message-ID: I thought I'd pass this on to all of you... Lines in the Sand update: This week's From the Vaults selection is The Dance of Eternity, my personal favorite Dream Theater bootleg. I also added a few more LTE MP3s from the NAMM performance, courtesy of Dr. Mosh. Later this week, I will be adding the 6/9/95 show to the Audio section, complements of Adam Pye. Thanks guys! -Bogie Dream Theater - Lines in the Sand http://dreamtheater.mit.edu/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:51:32 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Silent Man backing vocals? Who? Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Feb 1999, Cody wrote: > Well ummm, I would assume it's John Petrucci cuz in the Silent Man video > it's him mouthing all the background vocals.. And he usually does > backgournd vocals at concerts n stuff anyways so yeah I think it's him. The person who sang the BG vocals on TSM for the recording of "Awake" was the producer, John Purdell. It's in the liner notes AND in the FAQ. The reason you saw JP singing the BG vocals for TSM on the video is because he does it for all of the live performances. ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.ml.org/ ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- I like to go down to the dog pound and pretend that I've found my dog. Then I tell them to kill it anyway because I already gave away all of his stuff. Dog people sure don't have a sense of humor. ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 01:50:46 -0500 (EST) From: TheCowGod To: email_address_removed Subject: bands and their lastingness Message-ID: just a thought on how the average lifespan of popular bands has changed over the years. who played at woodstock? bob dylan, jimi hendrix, etc. these bands/artists are still well-known now. who played woodstock '94? while its true that some of them are still around today (red hot chili peppers, metallica), many of them aren't. who still listens to bands like candlebox (ok i still like candlebox's first cd but that's not the point)? and of the bands who are still around, how many will still be household names in 20 years, when the next woodstock rolls around? just a pre-bedtime thought from everyone's favorite cow (heh). thoughts? moo. -- "You are what you eat, you fucking cannibal!" -- KorgX3 *** END OF TRANSMISSION *** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 01:53:24 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4688 Message-ID: >Ok, this has been bugging me for awhile now... WHO does the backing vocals >on Silent Man? > >Listening to dead air for radios, it almost sounds like KM, but I can't >really tell... I honestly don't think its KJLB, but I might be wrong... Can >anyone help straighten this out? The backing vocals on The Silent Man were done by John Purdell, who produced the album. Check the FAQ. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 02:01:46 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: email_address_removed Subject: OIALT Question Message-ID: I may be an idiot for asking this, but I don't think I remember it being asked before. Am I hearing things or is that the introduction to A Fortune in Lies at the very end of track 11 on the second CD? Around 2:28, just after the end of The Crimson Sunset. I could SWEAR that's it... ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.ml.org/ ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- If we could all close our eyes and imagine world peace, think of how great that would be. At least it would be great until all the looting started. ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:02:30 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" To: Nothing To Say Subject: Platypus in Europe Message-ID: ]From: CyberDuke > jammers comments! Please e-mail me privately. Can you find Platypus in > the music shops in Budapest? Those on Vaci street square maybe? How much If you, Hungarian jammers, reply to him via private email, include my email address on the CC line as well, inasmuch as I'm coming over to Hungary in late March (Budapest & Pecs being my main attractions again) and if the Platypus album is available there, I sure as hell want to know about it. (Last time I checked, the Virgin store in Duna Plaza carried Liquid Tension, so you Magyars can't surprise me anymore.) :-) Anxiously awaiting, ========================================================================= Raivo Hool kontor raitz@estcard.ee ICQ 19980975 isiklik raitz@ircnet.ee Windows NT administraator istuv (+372) 6 711 450 Pankade Kaardikeskus liikuv (+372) 51 43 567 ========================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:10:45 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" To: Nothing To Say Subject: vai, snatriani Message-ID: ]From: ANGELO LOMBARDI > I'll tell you what... "For The Love Of God" is the ONLY song by Vai that > I like. Seems like the only song that he sat down & thought about it. Did you know that Vai fasted for two weeks prior to doing the solo in "For The Love Of God", just to be in the right frame of mind? Does that make him a mindless wanker, as you seem to insist? ;-) > With effects, it's MORE with Satriani. He's ALL effects. He (they) > gets some cool sounds, but I don't know where people get by saying they > are one of the best. I like JP, Alex Lifeson, Marty Friedman, Jason Are effects a bad thing? ;-) That is to say defects are good... (Then again, that may be the case sometimes.) What you like or dislike don't make any of those musicians any greater or lesser. Live with it. I go nuts over, say, Devin Townsend's music, some people puke their guts all over it. You still can't deny the talent. Likewise, open your eyes and appreciate the music, whether you like it or not. I know I do. Raitz P.S. Playing "Gordian Knot" in a minute. Malone, if you're reading this, you and the gang have come up with a masterpiece once again. ========================================================================= Raivo Hool kontor raitz@estcard.ee ICQ 19980975 isiklik raitz@ircnet.ee Windows NT administraator istuv (+372) 6 711 450 Pankade Kaardikeskus liikuv (+372) 51 43 567 ========================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 02:24:47 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: planned obsolescence NDTC Message-ID: > From: "Rahul Ananda" > Josh writes "No repeat revenues. So manufacturers made it so > it rips on purpose and solved their little revenue problem." > ---- > This is a phenomenon known as "planned obsolescence" > The example he used to illustrate this was that of the light > bulb. > Three words: FUCKING WINDSHEILD WIPERS Trust me. I know what I'm talking about. I live in Seattle. Trevor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 02:36:29 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: guitars/gathering Message-ID: > DT does NOT need more guitars!!!!!!! I agree. As heard by me outside House of Blues in LA: Some dumb guy: "Do you guys happen to need a rhythm guitarist?" JP: "What do YOU think?" > NP: THE GATHERING "How To Measure A Planet?" Is this any good or any different from their last two cds? Trevor ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4689 **************************