YTSEJAM Digest 4656 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Humble Apologies by Frank Benenati 2) Can't read? call.... (ANDTC) by "Jonas Opsal" 3) HardRoxx in the USA by "Charlie Farrell" 4) Re: mariah carey & vocal ranges by Gary Davis 5) Re: Mike Oldfield by Gary Davis 6) The places we find braille by "Al @ Switchcraft" 7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4655 by Sebastjan Videc 8) Boots and MP3s by Mike Pontrelli 9) A three octave range is pretty standard, I'm afraid. by Andrew Coutermarsh 10) Re: The places we find braille by Andrew Coutermarsh 11) OIAL Cover Question by email_address_removed 12) Re: Tesla Da Man by Phil Carter 13) Re: Ebay Asshole by Graham Boyle 14) Re: The places we find braille by Damon Fibraio ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 09:30:20 -0500 From: Frank Benenati To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Humble Apologies Message-ID: "Gallop, Neil" wrote: > sorry for sending my last mail full of MIME shit. That's ok. We forgive you. Just as long as you apologize for sending this mail full of MIME shit. :) Anyway, This is a problem. We all know that when it comes to posting to the jam, MIME is a waste of bandwidth. If you're having problems with your mail reader. E-mail me. Chances are, I've supported a user that used the same e-mail reader that you are currently using. -mojoman /\ /\ \_\/_/ . / _ _ \ . |\ |(*)(*)| /| #-----------------OOO---oo---OOO------------# # Frank Benenati - email_address_removed # # "Some of the nicest people are dogs" # # - Richard Dean Anderson # #__________________________ooo______________# ooo (_) (_) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 15:33:00 +0100 From: "Jonas Opsal" To: "The YtseJam mailinglist" Subject: Can't read? call.... (ANDTC) Message-ID: <000801be52a6$c3eeabc0$7ce64382@default> ABSOLUTELY NO DT CONTENT! (sorry) >From: "Korg Ecksthrey" >I always thought hooked on phonics had the lamest of them. >If you don't know how to read, call 1-800-ABCDEFG. I can see it! :-) incredibly dumb! wanna see it the way I see it? http://home.sol.no/~janopsal/dt/read.jpg That's gotta be the dumbest thing I've ever heard! Wait a minute that can't be true,=20 I'm on the Jam.... Jonas Opsal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Dream Theater page: http://home.sol.no/~janopsal/dt/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 14:42:34 -0000 From: "Charlie Farrell" To: "Ytsejam list" Subject: HardRoxx in the USA Message-ID: Those of you looking for a nice DT-friendly music magazine might find it interesting to pick up a copy of the UK mag 'HardRoxx', which is apparently going to be distributed throughout 80 Towere Records stores in the USA. If you're interested in bands across the spectrum of AOR/Hard FM/ progressive/Prog-Metal/Trad Metal and you find it difficult hearing and getting info on obscure European bands, then you might find it interesting to get hold of a copy and the cover CD. Check out their website at http://www.hardroxx.com/ (they seem to be bad at responding to email though) . and no, I don't have any connection with them other than the fact I'm a subscriber. Charlie URL: http://www.servemode.co.uk/Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 10:09:09 -0500 From: Gary Davis To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: mariah carey & vocal ranges Message-ID: At 05:51 AM 2/7/99 -0800, you wrote: > >"No one, I repeat, no one has a 7 octave range. If you can cover more >than >3, you're better than anybody. " > >I beg to differ. I can't recall where I saw it exactly (I think it was >The Learning Channel, which is a reputable source), but Mariah Carey >supposedly has a 6 1/4 octave range, second only to some opera singer >who's name I cannot recall. Vocal ranges tend to be wildly exaggerated figures. I myself am an operatic tenor and am not lying when I boast a better than three octave range quoted above - although how much of that range produces notes that are actually musical is another question entirely (LOL!!!). While Mariah Carey may have a decent voice, a fully functional 6 1/4 octave range is something that I would be skeptical about unless I actually heard it. Also a lot of people may look at these figures without realizing exactly what they represent. For example, do you realize a guitar with standard tuning does not come close to a 6 or 7 octave range? I recommend sitting down at a piano, picking a six or seven octave range of keys, and hitting the lowest and highest notes of that range to get a true appreciation of exactly what's being discussed here. In the realm of progressive music, one of the most impressive ranges I've heard is probably that of Annie Haslam of Renaissance. BTW, if I may be allowed a bit of boasting, one of the highlights of my opera singing was being a tenor in the chorus of the world premiere performance of Stewart Copeland's Holy Blood and Crescent Moon in Cleveland about 10 years ago. Stewart was there for much of the rehearsals and performance and I got a chance to chat with him a couple times. Nice fellow. Gee, so does that mean I was in one of Stewart Copeland's bands? LOL! Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com email_address_removed phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 10:22:23 -0500 From: Gary Davis To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Mike Oldfield Message-ID: At 05:51 AM 2/7/99 -0800, CyberDuke wrote: >> >> Tubular Bells II, folks..... There is a Tubular Bells I , but >> it was released in 1937 or thereabouts. I don't have it. > >Christ, how you recomend II when you never heard the I????? :) >Boy, I tell ya THE mastrepiece is Tubular Bells I! The II is kinda >cheesy and has that little taste of commerciality! And 90% of the themes >in II are taken from the part I!!!! > >You've never been more fooled if you say II is better than I! II is a >result of I! :) >The freak wrote Tubular Bells I on the age of 18 I think! :(( I don't >get it, I just don't get it! When you listen the album you just can't >comprehend how ca a human write that music! > >NOW GO AND BUY WITHOUT HESTITATION THAT part I!!!!!!!!!!! Intellectually, I can see how someone who has never heard the original Tubular Bells could think Tubular Bells II was something special. But I am on Cyberduke's side on this one. The original is truly a masterwork and is a gorgeous piece of music! But I honestly cannot stomach Tubular Bells II. The entire album is just a ripoff of the first (although some might question whether or not an artist can actually rip himself off) and a rather bad rip off at that. I honestly cannot think of any purpose for that album to exist other than to rake in the money. If you have the original, there is simply no reason to listen to Tubular Bells II, ever. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com email_address_removed phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 09:27:39 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" To: retaehT maerD Subject: The places we find braille Message-ID: The most humorous place I've seen Braille... I can show you several banks in the St. Paul/MPLS area that have Braille on their drive-through teller stations. Only accessible from the drivers side. /Al does acknowledge the possibility that a sight impaired person can access those stations from the left rear seat of a 4 door vehicle; So it's not total buffoonery in the interest of "feel good" policy. I'm sure the signs were intended for the sighted transporting the blind. At least I hope so... NP: Al DiMeola - "Kiss My Axe" -- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 17:47:52 +0100 From: Sebastjan Videc To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4655 Message-ID: <003501be52b9$9bfe1520$18f008a4@stdevil> >Dusko wrote: >Maybe, but not in the country where Nikola Tesla is from! :) And that is >one of the former YU republics, present Croatia I think (Matej or >Sebastijan, can you confirm this?) > >BTW, I heard a childish rumour that Americans claim the genius Nikola >Tesla to be American just because he was working certain period in US? >Is this true? :) Geez, ya greedy punks! Nikola Tesla was originally from Croatia. Worked in USA on low frequency transformators and such... Don't know exactly. But he was from Croatia not doubt 'bout it. BTW McDonalds sucks. Those burgers are to little. They look like a cokie, although they taste somewhat better. Flame me if you care! Sebastjan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 11:47:37 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Pontrelli To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Boots and MP3s Message-ID: Personally.. I think MP3s are the Godsend for the boots. What a way to capture a piece of artistic creation and preserve it forever (sometimes I get very depressed about all the wonderfull performances by bands such as Pink Floyd, lost forever). At any rate, floyd fans check out this site: http://makosteszta.sote.hu/~zaphy/pf-mp3/frames.html it has amazing, and I am glad to see sites like this popping up in DT's world. It is a great, free, legal way to spread music. An interesting asside though. I created my personal copy of an entire PF show by downloading it over a modem and burning the CD. It took 20 hours. If someone offered that CD to me for 20 dollars, I would BUY the CD because it is worth it to me. But I feel that it should be made available for free on the web. Considerations.. I made 20 copies of "The Man and The Journey" show and gave them out to friends for free. Thats 30 hours and 20 dollars, plus the equipment to create them. I dont see anything wrong with trying to recover the losses! Anyway I hope to see many free MP3 sites on the web...completely erases the morality issue (Hell many of the people who set up these sites are paying huge sums of money to run their servers!) If anyone ever makes profits off of CD-Rs.. (which would likely be very small)... perhaps they should think about pyutting someof the money asside and sending it to the band :) Perhaps give some to JP and he will like boots better! Finally.. on my strange Sunday AM rant, I wonder if JP sdoesnt like boots.. not because of 'morality' or 'hey.. its MY money they are masking'... but rather he is a perfectionist, and he doesnt want a bad performance of his recorded FOREVER! He might be more upset at people listening to his 'bad' performances than any small amount of money he loses. (kinda like a lot of people, perhaps many on this list, are CAMERA shy. Same thing. we are embaressed to have our pictures taken, JP is embaressed to have his music recorded.) -Ponte ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:14:34 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: A three octave range is pretty standard, I'm afraid. Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Gary Davis wrote: > Vocal ranges tend to be wildly exaggerated figures. I myself am an operatic > tenor and am not lying when I boast a better than three octave range quoted > above - although how much of that range produces notes that are actually > musical is another question entirely (LOL!!!). > > Gary I myself must totally agree with Gary. I would say that PROBABLY (which means I'm not sure), men have the largest ranges of either sex. Asa baritone, I have some experience with this, PLUS I have two voice teachers who are tenor and countertenor, respectively. For those of you who aren't familiar with the terminology, a countertenor can sing incredibly beautifully in the upper register, often singing in a beautiful falsetto for the more classical pieces. I would say that a countertenor is probably the closest to a castrato that we have in modern times. Anyway. The reason I think that men have larger ranges than women is because a man can sing MUCH lower than any female can (unless she's been taking testosterone injections or something), yet can get up to some of the same notes that most sopranos can get to. As an example, my range is from (and these change, depending on whether I have a cold or whether it's morning or afternoon - heh) something like a D two octaves below middle C to a high Bb two octaves above middle C. That's actually ALMOST two octaves in both respects. So that would be a three octave and a minor sixth range. I don't think that I'm out of the ordinary in terms of my range, I'm a pretty standard baritone, I'd say. HOWEVER: the low notes in my register are very growly, unlike a bass or bass-baritone who could sing them much more fully and with more resonance. Likewise, once I hit about a G above middle C, I have to switch to falsetto and while I CAN make it resonate pretty well, it's nowhere NEAR as full as a mezzo-soprano or soprano could sing it. So while I DO have a range that spans almost four octaves, as Gary said, I can't sing it ALL beautifully. Though I hope I can sing in my tessatura beautifully. =) And that's all I have to say about that. ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.ml.org/ ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- Sometimes, when I would read a very good book, I would stop and thank my teacher. At least, I used to, until she got an unlisted number. ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:17:29 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: The places we find braille Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Al @ Switchcraft wrote: > I can show you several banks in the St. Paul/MPLS area that have Braille > on their drive-through teller stations. Only accessible from the drivers side. > > /Al does acknowledge the possibility that a sight impaired person can > access those stations from the left rear seat of a 4 door vehicle; > So it's not total buffoonery in the interest of "feel good" policy. > I'm sure the signs were intended for the sighted transporting the blind. > At least I hope so... I'm pretty sure that a company who makes the molds for the ATMs wouldn't say, "Oh God, we can't have Braille numbers on the DRIVE-THROUGH ATMs, can we?!" While I can obviously see the humor in that (and I've wondered the same thing, which is why I have an answer for this subject - "Yes, it's these kinds of things which kept me out of the good schools" - George Carlin), I would assume that it's not cost-effective to mold two different kinds of number buttons for the ATMs. Why not just use the ones you have - WITH the Braille numbers on them - and save money? ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.ml.org/ ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- If Helen Keller were psychic, would we say that she had a fourth sense? ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:15:23 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: OIAL Cover Question Message-ID: On the OIAL version of "Metropolis", what is the song they break into near the end (about 5:17)? It is some improv jam or is it a cover of another song? [eriC] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 13:28:16 -0500 From: Phil Carter To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse Subject: Re: Tesla Da Man Message-ID: Greetings ye 'jamanoids... CyberDuke remarked: >Maybe, but not in the country where Nikola Tesla is from! :) And that is >one of the former YU republics, present Croatia I think (Matej or >Sebastijan, can you confirm this?) Tesla was born in Smiljan, Croatia, in 1856. >BTW, I heard a childish rumour that Americans claim the genius Nikola >Tesla to be American just because he was working certain period in US? >Is this true? :) Geez, ya greedy punks! *I* for one don't claim Tesla as American; trying to pin his genius down is a waste of time anyway. DTC: Uh......Frank Hannon, who used to be in Tesla, likes Dream Theater. :) ta, Phil ========================================================= Phil Carter -- email_address_removed http://www.mindspring.com/~philcarter "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 05:45:31 +1100 From: Graham Boyle To: "email_address_removed" Subject: Re: Ebay Asshole Message-ID: >First, Thank you for your kind words. NO, thank you for profiteering off someone else's music, that you have no right to sell at such a disgustingly high price. >Next.. Does it concern you? If you dont like it ignore it, and stop playing >internet cop. Yes it does concern me, that should be made available to all DT/LTE fans, not just the ones who have the cash to buy. Internet Cop, bwahahahahaa.............. For all those interested current bids on ebay for a couple of LTE shows are $41 and $51 respectively. gaz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 14:37:52 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: The places we find braille Message-ID: Al, old news here in Jersey. They're everywhere now. At 07:45 AM 2/7/1999 -0800, you wrote: > > The most humorous place I've seen Braille... > > I can show you several banks in the St. Paul/MPLS area that have Braille > on their drive-through teller stations. Only accessible from the drivers side. > > > /Al does acknowledge the possibility that a sight impaired person can > access those stations from the left rear seat of a 4 door vehicle; > So it's not total buffoonery in the interest of "feel good" policy. > I'm sure the signs were intended for the sighted transporting the blind. > At least I hope so... > > > NP: Al DiMeola - "Kiss My Axe" > -- > Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist > ^ > Switchcraft Microsystems > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead > > > ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4656 **************************