YTSEJAM Digest 4609 Today's Topics: 1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4601 by email_address_removed 2) about reading by "Schnipp -" 3) about reading by "Schnipp -" 4) Zappa on da jam/ Unix by Paul Weiss 5) please read by "maX Verran" 6) Re: They Keys to dressing well by Amanda Rosenblum 7) damn. by "maX Verran" 8) RE: 31 ways to tell if you are a prog rocker by John Parks 9) Review of LTE show in NYC (SPOILERS) by email_address_removed 10) Re: "DT99" recording style by email_address_removed 11) (no subject) by Giannis Milkos 12) Re: 31 WAYS TO TELL IF YOU'RE A PROG ROCKER by Craig Griffith 13) Re: PEOPLE WHO WRITE IN ALL CAPS by email_address_removed 14) warning to all by Ryan P Skadberg ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 14:46:12 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4601 Message-ID: << support!! ha!!!! support a rake up your ass you fucking bastard!! >"it is true, I was replaced by Jordan Rudess. > >anyway i am ok, and working on my solo record >that will be out on magna carta in MAY. > >thank you for all of your support, and please stay in touch!! >your friend, Derek" >> I didn't want to respond to this, but I'm going to have to: First off, you language is most disrespectful. How old are you 11? 12?...Oh, but if you were that age, you wouldn't "waste" your time listening to bands like Dream Theater...mabey you're just some fat-ass loser who never went to high school and doesn't have any type of vocabulary to write a descent post. I think if the list took a poll, most people would support Derek in at least his solo endeavors...why not?...I for one am really interested to see how progressive it would be... So why don't you get off this list, becuase I'm personally sick of you and your posts, and I don't think anyone here likes you anyway, so GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE. Then you can go get an education. @ |> A (V) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:00:10 PST From: "Schnipp -" To: email_address_removed Subject: about reading Message-ID: hi there, recently on the jam: >< > Does anyone know anything about the LTE show Friday night at the TLA in > Philly? What time do doors open? Is there an opening act? When will DT > hit the stage? 18+? 21+? etc. 1. Doors open at 8. 2. No opening act. 3. beats the crap outta me. 4. Ticketmaster should tell you that. >< The ticket says the show starts at 9. //// Well, I guess he didn't know when DT would hit the stage, because DT were never supposed to hit the stage on a LTE gig. Just that you know... seb ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:06:58 PST From: "Schnipp -" To: email_address_removed Subject: about reading Message-ID: hi there, recently on the jam: >< > Does anyone know anything about the LTE show Friday night at the TLA in > Philly? What time do doors open? Is there an opening act? When will DT > hit the stage? 18+? 21+? etc. 1. Doors open at 8. 2. No opening act. 3. beats the crap outta me. 4. Ticketmaster should tell you that. >< The ticket says the show starts at 9. //// Well, I guess he didn't know when DT would hit the stage, because DT were never supposed to hit the stage on a LTE gig. Just that you know... seb ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:35:21 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Weiss To: A Mind Forever Ytse-ing Subject: Zappa on da jam/ Unix Message-ID: My pal built his own Unix box and gave me a space for personal use. I wish I had more time to actually do something on my web page, but ohwell, I'm way too busy. So I also use Pine to send messages, but forward everything to my work email acct (Microshit Outpuke) to read them. John Parks heard Sluggo, fell to his knees and bowed to the King that is Keneally. Good man. If you liked that, check out The Mistakes. If you want other recommendations on Zappa (those featuring Colaiuta, Wackerman, and Bozzio are commendable), let me know. I shan't bore the list with such as we've already been inundated with it in the past. Ever forward, eh? Kirby: I don't believe you. Being a mime is something you can control; many react rather unfavorably though [see Father's Day w/ Billy Crystal for proof]. P NP Meridian Arts Ensemble: Anxiety of Influence Ani DiFranco: Up x 6 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul's musical quote for the Month: Let's all get up and dance to a song/ That was a hit before your mother was born/ Though she was born a long, long time ago. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:53:55 PST From: "maX Verran" To: email_address_removed Subject: please read Message-ID: Okay. One guy posted 2 or 3 times about how pissed off he was at my language. Maybe he was right. I had just been catching up on several jams at once, and about all I saw was "Derek !@#$ sucks @$$ and he can %^&* go !#%& his *^$@" And that was about it. Then that Isaac dude. Everything was cussing out Derek. I got really pissed off. All my rudeness was directed at the ones who cussed out Derek (what did he do to you?), and the one person who said that EVERYONE on the jam were assholes. Now, as to the number of my posts, I apologize. It is a pain in the ass to jump from jam to jam and make one e-mail out of it. All h*tm*ilers should know what I'm talking about. Anyway, some of my comments were out of line. But please try to understand that when someone publicly cusses the Hell out of a (former) DT member on the DT list, I feel like I cannot just sit and let it pass. Maybe it's my problem. But how can I just sit still when people say this: "All of you are assholes... Derek .........." Now this is serious. I apologize to the other 1250 of you who AREN'T being jerks like that. You have to read all this crap, and it's not right. When I first joined this list, it WAS a "family" environment. Not true anymore. And I think I'll try to change that, instead of just getting mad. And I know I'm not the only one tired of DT thrashing on a DT list. It's wrong, and I will NEVER say it can be treated lightly. If you're going to say Dream Theater's music is $#!+, or that a DT member is $#!+, you should go to another list to say it. And I am NOT saying there's anything wrong with different opinions. But when you EXPRESS your opinions by blatantly cussing out DT, you have no place here. This is a Dream Theater FAN list. A list for Dream Theater fans. Any questions? ------------------ Now. I'd just like to say that I found Fates warning - Still Life at Best Buy. Only Fates they had. When I went to pay for it, I told the chick I wished they carried more. She told me she would talk to the guy who orders the CDs and tell him there was a shopper who wanted more Fates Warning. Whoa. maybe Best Buy is FINALLY changing their policies. I hope. I still can't find Depeche Mode - Construction time Again... Anyway, I've gotta go listen to Still Life now... Seizure later, -maX ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:52:08 -0800 From: Amanda Rosenblum To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: They Keys to dressing well Message-ID: > >Kevin Moore? Forget that wuss... he didn't oooooze sex appeal.. If by this, Mosh, you mean to compare Kevin to Derek and say that Derek had these qualities of sex appeal.. bwahahahahahaha! As one of the few female jammers, I have to correct you here. For some reason it seems the guys have been lingering under a false assumption that Derek is some kind of mega stud that makes the ladies swoon. Completely not true, except for the ditzy plastic blonde next to me in NYC mentally making love to Derek. The first time I met him, what did I do? I laughed. Kevin IS sex appeal. Derek, eh.... However, this really doesnt effect my opinion of DT. Im not a fan because they are all hot, young 20-somethings in flashy duds. I respect them as musicians as well as people and flat out love the music. ~~Amanda (Oh Petrucci!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:02:52 PST From: "maX Verran" To: email_address_removed Subject: damn. Message-ID: Sorry to post here again, but Graham Boyle just e-mailed me again. I'd e-mail him personally, but he won't read it. He says no DT fan would talk to other fans the crappy way I have. I would NEVER talk to a Dream Theater fan that way. The only morons I've ever cussed out were people either: A) Trying to rip Derek or Dream Theater to shreds. No DT fan would do THAT. or B) Trying to say that EACH and EVERY person on the ytsejam is an asshole. I think I've made my point clear enough to not have to comment on this again. I hope I'm right. I will ALWAYS love and defend dream Theater from whoever tries to slam their asses into the ground. I may be one of the FEW real DT fans here. Expression of opinion is OK. Seriously trash-mouthing Dream Theater, I feel, is not. Now I know I'm no better than any of you, but can you really disagree?!?!? Long Live DREAM THEATER!!! That's what we're supposed to be about, right? -maX ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:24:42 -0800 (PST) From: John Parks To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: RE: 31 ways to tell if you are a prog rocker Message-ID: Man that was one the funniest things i have read in a long time. Good to see something funny besides all these flame wars. P.S. Did anyone bother to tape the first LTE show or is anyone going to tape any of them? P.S.S. Is it just me or is there any one else that would really love for John Myung to use more of the Stick on the next DT album? Maybe somewhere in MET II... Later all == John _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:01:04 -0600 (CST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Review of LTE show in NYC (SPOILERS) Message-ID: here it goes: I was standing in the 3rd "row" right in front of Petrucci the whole night. Mike's set was the "stripped down" set used for the fan club show and HftH, only with the letters "LTE" "written" on it with masking tape. Tony played Stick the entire show, and Jordan used only 1 keyboard. THe setlist (while not completely accurate) was as follows: 1. Osmosis segueing into 2. Paradigm Shift (with a bit of an improv) 3. Kindred Spirits 4. Another Dimension (LTE2) 5. Petrucci/Rudess duet State of Grace 6. Portnoy/Levin duet Chris and Kevin's Excellent Adventure 7. improv 8. what sounded like another improv (they didnt announce a song title but there sounded like a strong melody or theme) 9. I think another improv, not too sure 10. Universal Mind (including an INCREDIBLE keyboard solo from Rudess) which occured at about 3:46 of the song (CD time) encore: 11. Acid Rain (LTE2) After this night, I must say this (WARNING, EXTREME PROBABILITY OF FLAMAGE): If Dream Theater (at least how they were on FII) cesed to exist, and all we had was LTE, I wouldnt be the least bit dissapointed. These guys clicked together so well on stage, they didnt seem like a "project band" they seemed like a REAL band. The energy these guys produced was ten times as great as all 3 times Ive seen DT. You could tell they were having FUN on stage. To me, LTE represents what Progressive is. They are THE PROG band of the 90s. Their songs incorperate so many experimental melodies and riffs from all styles. They take advantage of new instruments and equipment (Tony's Stick and JP's 7 string that he used on Acid Rain), and are complete masters of their instruments, while also playing them passionately. I saw a few people from the jam, including AnalogGal (remember a kid with brown hair down to his eyes and a black DT "3 photos" shirt that you squeezed by to take pics? that was me ;-) Highlights of the show were: -someone shouting out from the balcony "Derek Sherinians a pussy!" about an hour or two before the show started. There was lotsa laughs. -the most retarded roadie in the world who delayed the show about 50 minutes trying to get JP's guitar in tune. -Paradigm Shift -making eye contact with both Jordan and John -the crowd going nuts when Portnoy announced Jordan was the new DT keyboardist. -Petrucci's newfound love of the whammy pedal :-) -the various improvs -Unversal Mind -Jordans UNBEFUCKINLEAVABLE keyboard solo which included something from the RMP Jordan is definitely the "Keith Emmerson" of the 90's Id even go as far as saying he's better. the sounds he got out of ONE keyboard!!! -Acid Rain. This is the SICKEST, most INSANE song Ive heard since Metropolis. If someone had told me this was a part of Metro2, I would have believed them. A little note on Jordan Rudess' stage presence. Those who say that Derek added so much with his stage presence will go nuts with Jordan. He adds more than Kevin or Derek ever did. He is one of the most active keyboardists Ive ever seen live, jumping around and leaning intensely over his keyboard while playing. WHile Derek just tried to look cool and impress what few ladies there are in the DT audience, Jordan gets into the music and looks like he's having a hell of a good time playing. The way he acts on stage reminds me a lot of the way Keith Emmerson would act, or the way Steve Howe would jerk about as he played a solo. I think once people see him on stage, they will see how much more he adds than just his musical input. Derek who? Matt ===================================================== "A daily dose of eMpTyV "Following our instinct will flush your mind not a trend. Go against right down the drain." the grain until the end." -Dream Theater -Metallica ===================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:03:44 -0600 (CST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: "DT99" recording style Message-ID: <> neither is posting in MIME format, dude ;-) Matt ===================================================== "A daily dose of eMpTyV "Following our instinct will flush your mind not a trend. Go against right down the drain." the grain until the end." -Dream Theater -Metallica ===================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 00:07:12 +0200 From: Giannis Milkos To: test Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <36A8F690.16AE322@otenet.gr> My email is tasos@otenet.gr and i want to remove me from the mailing list. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:23:31 -0500 From: Craig Griffith To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: 31 WAYS TO TELL IF YOU'RE A PROG ROCKER Message-ID: email_address_removed wrote: > 5 - If you have ever made a literary reference in your lyrics. Then Blues Traveler is prog, because they referred to Peter Pan both in Hook and I Have My Moments. :) > 6 - If your bassist can use words longer than two syllables=85 and use the= > m > correctly. Duh, what talk you now? > 8 - If you have ever written a song longer than 10 minutes. The Doors. Iron Butterfly. > 11 - If anyone has ever said, "I don't understand your music." I'm not going to touch that one. > 12 - If you have ever made a concept album. Um...several Wu-Tang Clan members and Busta Rhymes (I think) have made concept albums. They're not as rare and as peculiar to prog as one might think. > 13 - If you think musical virtuosity is its own reward. You could be a jazz or classical musician and think that. > 16 - If you can't play blues to save your life... ..you might play polka. > 21 - If you think of a computer as a musical instrument. Techno. New age. Anyway, I got the intent of the post, but I wanted to pick a few nits. *Some* funny stuff. -- Craig Griffith: High school student, guitar player, King of Craigland http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Dell/8509/ "I may make you feel, but I can't make you think" -Ian Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:21:57 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: PEOPLE WHO WRITE IN ALL CAPS Message-ID: Andrew Coutermarsh writes: << I think that the person who had written that particular message had not been aware that s/he had written it in all caps. >> Even worse...they need to learn how to type. How could you type an entire letter like that and not notice it? [eriC] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:20:01 -0500 (EST) From: Ryan P Skadberg To: email_address_removed Subject: warning to all Message-ID: just so everyone know. email_address_removed has been removed from the jam. I plan on doing some catch up later this weekend and there will probably be other people removed. Anyone who is removed is being removed by their own stupidity, no other reason besides that. Grow up people, lets keep this a mailing list people want to be on. As I have said before, the main rule for this mailing list is: THINK _BEFORE_ YOU POST. Obviously there are lots of people who are NOT doing that and now they will suffer the consequences. Skadz -- Ryan Skadberg | "there's a space beside us Ytsejam Moderator | and there's miles between us email_address_removed | and all around us http://www.dreamt.org/ | grows this shade of gray" | _A Pleasant Shade of Gray_ - Fates Warning ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4609 **************************