YTSEJAM Digest 4607 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Need info on TLA show by Syrinx 2) Review on show yesterday?! and Progfest 97 cd by "Lauzon, Gary: IHAB" 3) 12 year old.... by "Jan Opsal" 4) Re: A rarely seen thought on the big news... by Carlos Alfaro 5) "DT99" recording style by email_address_removed 6) Re: Make it worth while...please. by Al Balkiewicz 7) raking the leaves by "Frank Benenati" 8) Suckass by email_address_removed 9) Max Headroom is annoying!!!!!!!!! by "Dr. Bashir" 10) ZAPPA again?!!?!??!? by John Parks 11) Re: Need info on TLA show by email_address_removed 12) how slow can a bus go and prbably one of the nicest Irish guys by "Schnipp -" 13) PEOPLE THAT WRITE IN ALL CAPS by email_address_removed 14) Jens by "Schnipp -" 15) DT's mind control techniques... by email_address_removed 16) Re: Tribute to Derek by Andrew Coutermarsh 17) Dizziness, Lucidity, Obedience :) by Jon Parmet ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:32:12 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx To: Jason Hartman Subject: Re: Need info on TLA show Message-ID: > Does anyone know anything about the LTE show Friday night at the TLA in > Philly? What time do doors open? Is there an opening act? When will DT > hit the stage? 18+? 21+? etc. 1. Doors open at 8. 2. No opening act. 3. beats the crap outta me. 4. Ticketmaster should tell you that. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:34:00 -0500 From: "Lauzon, Gary: IHAB" To: "'DT'" Subject: Review on show yesterday?! and Progfest 97 cd Message-ID: hey all! I was wondering if anyone is going to post a review on the show of yesterday? how long was it? how r the new songs for LTE 2? also.. I got my hands on the Progfest 97 cd.. not bad at all.. but there is something that's puzzling me.. The John Whitton Band.. the 3rd song on the cd... man. i don't remember the name.. anyhow.. it sounds like a song I heard before.. and that i have at home.. either from im guessing Flower King's .. but I could be wrong.. anyhow.. if anyone understands what I'm talking about.. they could answer me. Mr. Prog ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 14:26:33 +0100 From: "Jan Opsal" To: "The YtseJam mailinglist" , Subject: 12 year old.... Message-ID: <000c01be460c$b77c96a0$afe74382@default> It was HUMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR! He supplied a non-abrasive comeback and a = smiley=20 face. How much clearer does it need to be for you, buddy?=20 --------- Sorry about that. I haven't read all the Jams lately (they just keep comming!) and I was in a bad mood. 75% of what's in the Jam is flaming or oppinions that some people yell out like they are the facts of life. It just made me slightly irritated and I took it out on that post without even reading what it was all about. sorry. I'll read ALL the Jams before the next time I post.=20 Jonas Opsal ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Dream Theater page: http://home.sol.no/~janopsal/dt/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:07:14 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: A rarely seen thought on the big news... Message-ID: email_address_removed wrote: > I offer two thoughts for reading: > Although there may be more toit, they seem to have left on decent terms. At least it > wasn't ugly like Van Halen and Sammy (although I guess we have yet to see that). I agree with your post, and well id just like to make the observation that maybe the fact that DT is not nearly as popular as VH greatly contributes on the whole thing being low-key and not some bitter flameage between the band and derek or jordan and derek ( im talking about them flaming each other not US ). If DT were say as popular as VH, Aerosmith or even Metallica..the media woulve made it a lot uglier. All this not considering of course that the guys in DT, Derek and Jordan may be professional enough NOT to turn this into a Van Halen -like thing, which i think they are...i mean if for example derek intended something like that, he woulve emailed here saying a whole bunch of reasons ( real or real to him ) for his firing, and mike woulve counterposted defending himself and the band... etc etc.. we of course (at least I ) would be even more dissapointed to see THAT, than to just have to wait for time to clear things up.... "[...] people will cringe..." - John Petrucci In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro Tech Support Rep : Caribbean Internet Service mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:17:13 -0600 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: "DT99" recording style Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE461A.4E0E94A8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" maX thus spewed: > NOW, I am curious where it says DT99 will be written/recorded like > LTE. I don't see it in the website. I just remember it being quoted > several times. ]From www.dreamtheater.net (the Official DT Web Site) under News and Information: Dream Theater back in the studio in February Added on 01-03-1999 Dream Theater will be back in the studio in February to work on a new album. None of the "Falling Into Infinity" leftovers will be used, except for possibly Metropolis part II. The band will be writing and recording simultaniously (ala LTE). Unfortunately, Mike's project with Pete Trewavas (Marillion) and Neal Morse (Spock's Beard) has been put on the shelf for the time being. Also from maX: > Skadz? Are you reading this? Please remove Isaac Trumbo. I don't think you should be the one asking to remove anyone else from the list. Posting 7 times in one jam is not cool, dude. That goes for EVERYONE who has an itchy trigger finger on the Send button. About Jordan/Derek, I'm glad to see the change. As many of you know, I was never thrilled with Derek from the beginning, both as a keyboardist and a showman. I'm really looking forward to the next disc, which should really get us back to the heart of what DT was intended to be. :) Thought I'd be helpful, Nicole/Kirby P.S. Sorry about the MIME, there's nothing I can do about it. X-P Nicole Stachowicz McWatters Technical Writer aka Kirby on irc.dreamt.org Welcom Publications Dept. email_address_removed -or- email_address_removed http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039 ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE461A.4E0E94A8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "DT99" recording style

maX thus spewed:

>    NOW, I am curious where it = says DT99 will be written/recorded like
> LTE. I don't see it in the website. I just = remember it being quoted
> several times.

]From www.dreamtheater.net (the Official DT Web Site) = under News and Information:

Dream Theater back in the studio in February
Added on 01-03-1999

Dream Theater will be back in the studio in February = to work on a new album. None of the "Falling Into Infinity" = leftovers will be used, except for possibly Metropolis part II. The = band will be writing and recording simultaniously (ala LTE). = Unfortunately, Mike's project with Pete Trewavas (Marillion) and Neal = Morse (Spock's Beard) has been put on the shelf for the time = being.

Also from maX:

> Skadz? Are you reading this? Please remove Isaac = Trumbo.

I don't think you should be the one asking to remove = anyone else from the list.  Posting 7 times in one jam is not = cool, dude.  That goes for EVERYONE who has an itchy trigger = finger on the Send button.

About Jordan/Derek, I'm glad to see the change.  = As many of you know, I was never thrilled with Derek from the = beginning, both as a keyboardist and a showman.  I'm really = looking forward to the next disc, which should really get us back to = the heart of what DT was intended to be.  :)

Thought I'd be helpful,
Nicole/Kirby

P.S. Sorry about the MIME, there's nothing I can do = about it.  X-P

Nicole Stachowicz McWatters     = Technical Writer
aka Kirby on irc.dreamt.org     = Welcom Publications Dept.
   email_address_removed -or- = email_address_removed
       http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039 =

------_=_NextPart_001_01BE461A.4E0E94A8-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:26:45 -0500 (EST) From: Al Balkiewicz To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Make it worth while...please. Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Dave Ware wrote: > > Guys, > > >From: Al Balkiewicz > >To: TheListFromTheDepthsOfHell > >Subject: Flame-fest > > This was soooo on the money - nice one, in fact possibly one of the top > EOJ's I've ever seen. I would like to add to the whole flame thing That was an EOJ?????? WHOOHOO!!!! MY first one! Sweat me NOW! "aaaayyyyyy..............you broke your cherry.........." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:29:53 -0500 From: "Frank Benenati" To: Subject: raking the leaves Message-ID: <000501be461c$0e8e7bc0$message_id_removed> > From: Peter Geerts > > On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Isaac Trumbo wrote: > > > support!! ha!!!! support a rake up your ass you fucking bastard!! > > Skadz: Do something!:-) > > This is getting out of hand... > Actually, I thought that was quite funny. I started imagining Derek out raking the fall leaves. He's wearing his see-thru shirt, his vinyl/leather pants and his "I think I'm Bono" sunglasses. Then he pulls out the gardening shears. Tears a hole in his shinny pants and shoves his rake into his chocy-starfish. Once he's got it all snug and fit properly, he continues raking the lawn. Priceless. - m o j o m a n ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:33:22 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Suckass Message-ID: > BTW how do you suck ass??:-) Ask that Isaac Trumbo guy. I bet he's an expert. Steve Z ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:38:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Dr. Bashir" To: email_address_removed Subject: Max Headroom is annoying!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: >Maybe I'll unsub. I dunno. I unsubbed from TaDream >because of that. >-maX Please do us all a favor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:11:07 -0800 (PST) From: John Parks To: ytsejam dream theater Subject: ZAPPA again?!!?!??!? Message-ID: Hey guys and gals. I know we have talked about Zappa's music here before, and after recently picking up Mike Keneally's & Beer For Dolphins, Sluggo album I have been wanting to check more of Zappa's stuff out. I already have Zoot Allures and Sleep Dirt. I know that Mike Portnoy said that he got into Zappa because of the weird time Sigs. My question; which albums contain these weird time sigs. I do like both of the above mentioned albums by Zappa. So point me in the right direction. I want to assume that the albums that Vinnie Colliuta(sp?) and Chad Wackerman played on would have some interesting time sigs. Plus if you haven't picked up Mike Keneally & BFD's Sluggo, you need to. Very good stuff if your not in the 'mood' for prog-metal. Later all == John _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:06:09 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Need info on TLA show Message-ID: >< > Does anyone know anything about the LTE show Friday night at the TLA in > Philly? What time do doors open? Is there an opening act? When will DT > hit the stage? 18+? 21+? etc. 1. Doors open at 8. 2. No opening act. 3. beats the crap outta me. 4. Ticketmaster should tell you that. >< The ticket says the show starts at 9. Jim OxyMoron of the day: Microsoft Works ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:17:37 PST From: "Schnipp -" To: email_address_removed Subject: how slow can a bus go and prbably one of the nicest Irish guys Message-ID: hi there, Bowery Ballroom, my diary. I'm taking the bus from NJ, should take 30 min. max. The driver decides to chat and chat and drive as slowly as possible without endangering his health. Took us 45 min. Well, I arrive in time to see, fuck, they have T-shirts(I don't have money, damnit). Well, I give my coat away and spot d-man, nice surprise, later Christina who apparently got kicked by Jordan("He kicks my ass"), but didn't hurt her knee. You people who were complaining about not having shows in your area? You did the right thing, because this kicked ass. THere were about 250 people in the club(my guess) which was really cool, 'cause when people just spoke a little louder he was audible to the band(Somebody:"You really kick ass" JP shyly(sp?)"Thanks") The guys enter the stage, Jordan gets a "welcome to DT" looks really friendly and from the whole show I get the impression that he's one of the nicest guys you could hang out with. Not heavy enough for DT? Listen to the new LTE stuff and think again. JP was a little shaky in the ballads and again I must say, when he improvises fastly, I don't like it anymore, he tries to get too many notes in no time.I feel like Crang going:"Shredder".Tony Levin enters the stage, I go, holy cow(maybe Satch should hire him and start a Hair band:). He was so cool. Jordan played a nice solo btw, where we could see what he might add: sounds. Luckily I could stay until they were done although I guess they were signing stuff afterwards, right? Mike, you were good,too, as always. People that was awesome. But Mike(portnoy), I still want one of those shirts!!! seb ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:18:35 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: PEOPLE THAT WRITE IN ALL CAPS Message-ID: I wonder if the people who always write in all caps (Tokugawa Tigger-ette , for example) realize that it is harder to read all capital letters than it is to read "normal" capitalization. Just for future reference TURN OFF YOUR DAMN CAPS LOCK!! Ah...I feel better. [eriC] p.s. Kinda ironic that I had to use caps to bash the all caps people, isn't it? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:20:31 PST From: "Schnipp -" To: email_address_removed Subject: Jens Message-ID: Hi there; Jens answered Wow, well spotted! I knew the YJ crowd to be a sophisticated and intelligent bunch -- but this *really* takes the cake!! Ouch! Guilty as charged!! Not copying very well!? It's not fair, if you guys continue to be this mean to me I'll have to unsubscribe. ;) Wellllll, my only excuse is that I hadn't yet perfected the quantum tunneling process I used to peek into the future, that's why it sounds a little shoddy... and if you don't like this explanation, you can flame me all you like, you pathetic little whiners, and then you can fuck right off the surface of the planet!! (heh heh... a little joke here. :)) ///// I just hope that David got what you wrote,this was so funny. Btw, I got Destiny today, after I ordered it from CDnow in August... Later seb ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:29:09 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: DT's mind control techniques... Message-ID: email_address_removed writes: << Has DT started putting subliminal messages onto its CD's >> They've been doing it for as long as they've been recording albums (and demos). They're called 32nd, 64th and 128th notes ;o) [eriC] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:30:22 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Tribute to Derek Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, CyberDuke wrote: > Now when Derek is gone I think it would be cool and very worthy to > collect all Nightmare Cinema and Nicky Lemons songs available, put 'em > on MP3s and upload them somewhere (best if it would be one site). > > Derek site already exists so it is a candidate but I'm not the person to > ask! :) Christina ....? That is a FABULOUS idea! I have NEVER heard a Nightmare Cinema, at all, and I would LOVE to hear it! If there were MP3s of it posted, I would have them downloaded as soon as possible! ------------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://oz.plymouth.edu/~a_couter/ ICQ: 2513441 ------------------------------------------------- "Never trust a spiritual leader who can't dance." - Mr. Miyagi ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:34:25 +0000 From: Jon Parmet To: email_address_removed Subject: Dizziness, Lucidity, Obedience :) Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------388F751F493F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Max!!!! TAKE....A....PILL! Consolidate the verbal diarrhea into less than 50 posts per day, pooch! Nevertheless, Max steps up to the plate without a bat or even a helmet: > And if anyone calles their music shit here, Here? Does this mean that there are perhaps some Max-Verran-Sanctioned places for calling their music shit? > I'm going to your house to rape your sister. This is not funny. This is an amateur attempt at humor. It fails miserably. If I had a sister, I'm sure she'd be more than happy to hand you what's left of your tiny appendage to you in a dixie cup. > Lars Hellsten gargled the algae he sucked out of his fishtank: On the upside (amazing there is one, eh?), I thought that was rather funny :) Now go sit down, Max, have a glass of warm milk, think things over, discover what a naughty boy you can be sometimes, modify the behavior. This way, when you come back, we'll more refined material of yours to laugh at... > Maybe I'll unsub. I dunno. I unsubbed from TaDream because of that. Thanks for the heads up on that, Max. I'll update my schedule database appropriately....and quickly! Take care :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Mats: > >I fear that DT as a whole might lose > >momentum, direction, and eventually success. Fear not, JP's beats/minute are just too fast!! Velocity is an important component of momentum. Related to this somehow is 'inertia' which tends to allow someting to maintain direction :) Neil opens my eyes wide: > I'd let DT worry about DT's career and success. I think making any > drastic > change shows a great degree of momentum and direction. Clearly the band > is > being aggressive about shaping what will be the future of DT. A lack of > direction would be characterized by complacency. Success will come with > great songwriting and playing, regardless of whether DT leans more or less > to the "progressive". A conscious attempt to be successful is often the > nail in the coffin. Bravo!! That was lucid thinking! IMO, the only thing I'd change is the phrase "Success will come" to "Continued success will come". IMO they're already successfull, and it's recognized out there in many forms (for example: Mike on the cover of Modern Drummer, other highly respected musicians playing with them, rabid fan base :), not too shabby a set of number in record sales considering the genre as a whole). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For those of you who STILL insist on disobeying me by not signing onto his mailing list, you force me to forward this update from Jon Finn :))) Regards, Jon -- *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | email_address_removed | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------* "The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows." -- Frank Zappa --------------388F751F493F Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mailgate.volpe.dot.gov (mailgate.volpe.dot.gov [152.122.15.110]) by PARMETPC.volpe.dot.gov (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA21428 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:30:02 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.volpe.dot.gov by mailgate.volpe.dot.gov (5.65v4.0/1.1.10.5/31Jul97-1024AM) id AA05280; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:28:04 -0500 Received: by gatekeeper.volpe.dot.gov; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA20035; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:28:22 -0500 Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net by gatekeeper.volpe.dot.gov (smtpxd); id XA00358 Received: from mail-out-3.tiac.net (mail-out-3.tiac.net [199.0.65.15]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03354; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:24:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from email_address_removed) Received: from jonfinn.tiac.net (p9.block2.tc1.state.MA.tiac.com [206.119.246.10]) by mail-out-3.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA21733; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:22:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from email_address_removed) Message-Id: X-Sender: email_address_removed X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:25:50 -0500 To: email_address_removed ]From: Jon Finn Subject: Upcoming Shows - Jon Finn Group Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi! I was in a rather confusing conversation recently. I thought the guy was trying to convince me that guitarists who study formally couldn't play the blues or with feelings. Turns out all he wanted to know was whether "Feelings" was a blues tune. hmmmm..... Anyway, here are some of our upcoming shows. If any of them are in your hemisphere we'd love to see you. And Yes. Wicked will be available for sale at the show ********************** Sat., Jan 23 Shenendoah University (Armstrong Hall) Winchester, VA 4:00 guitar clinic by Jon Free admission!!! 8:00 concert $2:00 for Shenendoah students, $8.00 for general public. All ages welcome call the Shenendoah box office at 540-665-4569 (MC, Visa) Thurs., Jan 28, 1999 Johnny D's Somerville, MA (17 Holland St.) 617-776-2004 NOTE: this date has been posted as wed., Jan 27. It was moved! Thurs., Feb 25 Slattery's Fitchburg, MA 106 Lunenburg St. Fitchburg 978-342-8880 Take Rt. 2 to Rt. 13 north to Rt. 2a west. Follow 1.5 miles. Club is on right. --------------388F751F493F-- ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4607 **************************