YTSEJAM Digest 4596

Today's Topics:

  1) The Mets STILL won't get a playoff berth this year! Keep dreaming!!!
 by Frank Benenati <email_address_removed>
  2) response
 by "maX Verran" <email_address_removed>
  3) stuff
 by "maX Verran" <email_address_removed>
  4) Re: Bwahaha ha ha
 by "Trent Thornton" <email_address_removed>
  5) Kevek Sherinimoore
 by Cyberwolf <email_address_removed>
  6) Re: Ytsejam top album of 98
 by email_address_removed
  7) Re: Autographed Material
 by Timothy Lodge <email_address_removed>
  8) Re: hehe
 by email_address_removed
  9) Re: This is actually quite funny (in a twisted way)
 by email_address_removed
 10) Re: Derek Moments
 by email_address_removed
 11) Re: Derek
 by email_address_removed
 12) Re: Ed
 by email_address_removed
 13) Re: Finally a video for us progressive keyboardists!!!
 by Damon Fibraio <email_address_removed>
 14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4595
 by email_address_removed
 15) Re: Next Producer? Album Title?
 by email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh)
 16) Re: a business view...
 by Damon Fibraio <email_address_removed>
 17) re: JR
 by Brian Hansen <email_address_removed>
 18) Re: hehe
 by "TheCowGod" <email_address_removed>
 19) to the guy who runs lines in the sand
 by Damon Fibraio <email_address_removed>

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:43:17 -0500
From: Frank Benenati <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: The Mets STILL won't get a playoff berth this year! Keep dreaming!!!
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


> From: "Merlo, Christopher" <email_address_removed>
>
> There's something that bugs me about this whole change.  I was
thinking
> about it over breakfast this morning, and all of a sudden it hit me.
All of
> a sudden, I understood the argument of those who are against
interleague
> play in baseball. <SNIP>

I'm reading this post, without knowing who wrote it...and I'm saying to
myself..."It's GOTTA be Merlo. No one else would cry about Interleague
play like this!" ...Hehehe..I was right!

D-Man, I agree about missing Kevin and liking Jordan cuz he sounds like
Kev. (Holy Shit!!! We agree on something!!!) .....But I disagree with
you on Interleague play...

- m o j o m a n


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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:51:37 PST
From: "maX Verran" <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: response
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>



   In response 2 another post, I'd just like to say that it was nice to 
see Derek really getting into the music. Why dump him if he's more into 
it than James?

Dump JAMES! They need a new singer anyway.

AND ALSO, yes, I DO worry that the next DT will just be LTE III.

I really hope DT doesn't fall apart because of this.


-maX

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:13:03 PST
From: "maX Verran" <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: stuff
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>



   OK. The only problem with LTE were the slower tracks (except track 2 
rules), and that stupid closer in Universal Mind.

Anyway, I personally see DT as the bridge between the more mainstream 
and the really prog. I would like to see them go more prog too, don't 
get me wrong.

But IAW all sounds the same, and I skip tracks on that. I skip WAY more 
from Awake than any other album. To me, Awake was the low point.

And also, New Millennium and Trial Of Tears to me DEFINE Dream Theater.


You do realize that they may never be the same, don't you?

So get off your obsessions of DT with Kevin, and look at what's about to 
happen. Dream Theater's very iindividuality is about to sell out to the 
Explorers Club sound. I did notice that EC and LTE sound very similar. 
And it's good, but it's not Dream theater.


Of course, I could be all wrong, but I agree that a lot of the power 
won't be in the keys anymore.


I think the one positive thing I can say about this right now is that 
hopefully Jordan will actually use flute sounds and stuff (LTE track 2) 
that NEITHER Kevin nor Derek would have touched...



-maX



And how come every time a PM band does a live CD or video or whatever, 
they just can't leave the fuck word alone?

Depeche Mode doesn't have to impress people like that.

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:20:45 PST
From: "Trent Thornton" <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: Bwahaha ha ha
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>



>Quit trying to be cool, we all know you have a closet full of Elton 
>John albums.

What's wrong with Elton John albums?

Trent


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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:31:09 +0000
From: Cyberwolf <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed
Subject: Kevek Sherinimoore
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


RE: Kevek Sherinimoore

Maybe we could get both Kevin Moore AND Derek Sherinian to play on the next FATES WARNING CD?
Then, maybe also, Jim could let George Lynch get on a solo or two, and Ray could let Steve
Perry do some harmonies. WOW!

Dreaming in infrared, Cyberwolf.
Don't let your feet run faster than your shoes.


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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:24:44 EST
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: Ytsejam top album of 98
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


><   In addition, I just read (again) the liner notes to Once in a livetime
and I noticed that DT thanks the band they toured with. Did these bands toured
for the Infinity tour only? I am asking this because the Gaclactic Cowboys are
not in the list.   ><

My guess...it was everything post-Images and Words. GC opened for them on that
tour, so no need to thank them.

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:24:12 -0500
From: Timothy Lodge <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Cc: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: Autographed Material
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


>.Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1993 21:18:58 -0800
>From: Mike Kilun <email_address_removed>
>To: email_address_removed
>Subject: Autographed material
>Message-ID: <message_id_removed>
>
>
>Hey people, I would like to know if any of you are selling any autogrphed
>Dream Theater material. This can be Cd's, promotional photos, posters, etc.
>I am willing to pay some good money, so anyone in need of cash with some
>signed DT stuff, please e-mail me privately and we can do some good
>buisness. Thanks!

I've got a framed promotional Dream Theater poster which is essentially
the cover to "Images and Words" autographed in black sharpie by all
members including mr. kevin moore himself.

Make me an offer!!

-Tim-
email_address_removed

ps: I also have an autographed 8x10 B+W glossy along with a copy of AWAKE
on CD signed
    by john petrucci.



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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:27:48 EST
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: hehe
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


><   haha, this new development will probably hurt scarred records' sales of
The
Rudess Experiment, as it will no longer be a new and unique show :) moo.   ><

Unfortunately, I think it will help the sales. Now everyone's interested in
hearing Jordan play with Dream Theater, and LTE isn't enough.

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:26:09 EST
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: This is actually quite funny (in a twisted way)
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


><   Where are the Derek bashers? They're laying low, because unlike yourself
they don't want to be confrontational assholes.   ><

Derek-bashers *are* confrontational assholes.

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:29:16 EST
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: Derek Moments
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Great Derek moments: his solo on Explorer's Club (which was better than
great), and his work on Just Let Me Breathe. great jazzy feel. the song would
not be the same without it.

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:34:40 EST
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: Derek
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


I was in The Wall today, and after walking around for a few minutes, the music
over the speaker stops, and much to my surprise, they start to play Trial of
Tears. I almost fell down. Anyway, when I told the clerk that Derek was gone,
she said, "Good, I hate that faggot." Oh well, not everyone isn't at least a
*little* saddened. Well when i showed her the picture of Jordan Rudess on her
LTE, she said "Oh good, he's cute." lol...i guess that's what it comes down to
these days

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:39:36 EST
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: Ed
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


In a message dated 1/20/99 6:39:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
email_address_removed writes:

Another notorious "hot-mailer" strikes again!

<< Derek sucked.>>
He added alot to DT, and made the band alive- (as far as all those antics on
stage). Not to mention he's got a hell of alot of talent.

 <<He was a pop keyboardist who cold play and was lucky 
 enough to be accepted into DT.>>  

Well he must have been good enough...oh- didn't he write most of LiTS and NM?
probably the most progressive songs on the album...BTW, what is "cold
play"?...  :)

Personally, I love what Derek did, but If you didn't, have a little respect
anyway.  

Hey, I like Hanson! ...(just kidding, just kidding. I know all of you just wet
your pants there.)
@ |> A (V)




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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:36:39 -0500
From: Damon Fibraio <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: Finally a video for us progressive keyboardists!!!
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


John, ditto, but there is one complaint I already have. i think there
should be a descriptive video of the JR video. Not only that, you should
make sure that your slow motion buttons work on your vcr so you could see
the man in action at a human pace. I wish i could buy this video, but I
know that instructional videos really make use of the visual aspect, so I
highly doubt I will understand it. I was trying to watch the starters video
for the Roland VS880 recorder and shut it off because it was so visual. Phewy.
At 12:10 PM 1/20/1999 -0800, you wrote:
> 
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> 
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> 
> Hey all!
> Hail to DT, masters of all.
> 
> I don't know how many other keyboardists are on this list(I'm figuring =
> mostly bass, gtr and drummers) but let me ask you something...
> Isn't it annoying that there are tons of great instructional videos for =
> everyone else (other instruments) except for us?
> True there may be some exceptions, but for the most part you know what I =
> mean.
> 
> Anyway, I was just adding Jordan's site to my favorites, and I noticed =
> he has an instructional video coming out this month! I checked out the =
> clips, and holy unbelievable!  It is going to be fantastic.
> 
> Finally!
> 
> Has anyone else found a worthwhile instructional video that I should add =
> to my collection?
> (not how to play a c chord and scales) the real good stuff.
> Modes and their uses, soloing over changes, advanced theory etc....
> 
> Well anyway, I'm buying that JorRud video ASA it comes out.   YEAH =
> BABY!!!!
> 
> 
> A very pleased Progressive 'Boardist
> 
> Jon
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> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Hey all!</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Hail to DT, masters of =
> all.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I don't know how many other keyboardists are on this =
> list(I'm=20
> figuring mostly bass, gtr and drummers) but let me ask you=20
> something...</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Isn't it annoying that there are tons of great =
> instructional=20
> videos for everyone else (other instruments) except for us?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>True there may be some exceptions, but for the most =
> part you=20
> know what I mean.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Anyway, I was just adding Jordan's site to my =
> favorites, and I=20
> noticed he has an instructional video coming out this month! I checked =
> out the=20
> clips, and holy unbelievable!&nbsp; It is going to be =
> fantastic.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Finally!</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Has anyone else found a worthwhile instructional =
> video that I=20
> should add to my collection?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>(not how to play a c chord and scales) the real good =
> 
> stuff.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Modes and their uses, soloing over changes, advanced =
> theory=20
> etc....</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Well anyway, I'm buying that JorRud video ASA it =
> comes=20
> out.&nbsp;&nbsp; YEAH BABY!!!!</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>A very pleased Progressive 'Boardist</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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> 

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:40:13 EST
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4595
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


PLEASE delete this address from your list ASAP. Thank you.

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:53:34 -0800
From: email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh)
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: Next Producer? Album Title?
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., Rick Audet thus begged:
>
>
>Brian Hansen wrote:
>
>> Of course it wouldn't be a surprise to see the recording co-produced
>> by Dream Theater...
>
>Or produced by Rhys Fulber. That could make for an interesting record...
>

I second that one... I think we could bring DT to new heights and bring
back the balls n chunk.

Fulber AND Rudess...
OWWW

If you're wondering who Fulber is, he's from Front Line Assembly and 
produced the latest Fear Factory - Obsolete... a mastery of crushing, 
futuristic metal...

-The Doc

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> Windows will rule the world... and one day, you'll have to reboot the entire
> thing cause it'll crash.

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:50:06 -0500
From: Damon Fibraio <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: a business view...
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Mosh, you make this sound so cold and thoughtless. I would never really
compare a band to a corporation, whether or not they run similar lines,
because ultimately, musicians are not prophet driven, they are a lover of
art and they are audio artists. Speaking from such a camp, if I am going to
rid myself of a member of a band, it won't be because record sales are
down, it will be because the person isn't cutting it in the band.
At 02:32 PM 1/20/1999 -0800, you wrote:
> 
> 
> Well, there's been much heated debate from a sentimental point of view for
> Derek versus Jordan, etc... but let's look at it from a cold biz point of
> view... 
> 
> FII - it didn't sell like Awake of I&W... boot Derek?  Sure... he's not a
> founding member... he's been like a hired gun all 4 years.  When a
> corporation's stock is down... personnel changes are made.
> 
> Feel bad for Derek?  No... he's got other fish to fry... other ventures to
> startup.
> 
> Jordan Rudess - a corporate recruit that was headhunted from day one...
> couldn't assimilate him because of prior obligations, best fit for
organization
> , a definite yes...  He's available, we snag him...
> 
> What's next?  A change in the dynamics of the machine...  perhaps a positive
> vibe... that'll get stockholders to be excited about the machine again...
> 
> My personal feelings?  I'm very glad Jordan has joined the band... he's the
> next best thing from Kevin...
> 
> 
> -The Doc
> 
> -- 
> > email_address_removed
> > http://progmetal.gmsnet.com
> > Windows will rule the world... and one day, you'll have to reboot the
entire
> > thing cause it'll crash.
> 

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:59:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian Hansen <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: re: JR
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>



Pat Daugherty <email_address_removed> wrote: 

> Everyone keeps saying how Jordan didn't join DT in the first place was
> because of family matters. That is crap. Read his bio on the DT web
> page. It was written by him and says he decided to tour with the Dregs
> instead of joining DT. That doesn't sound like family matters to me
> unless the Dregs are related to him. So who knows why he is joining DT
> now? Perhaps LTE got him to say wow?

Wow, somebody have an ax to grind here? Why jump on Jordan already? Or
just bashing Jordan because of all of the Derek bashing currently
underway? (At least wait till the new disc comes out.)

Obviously he had offers from both bands at the same time. But it also
looks like the Dregs had been there first. He was getting ready to
tour with the Dregs. He was invited to an AUDITION with DT. One of
several CANDIDATES. He was already familiar with (and a fan of) the
Dregs. When you have 2 good, equal offers, you gotta take the first
one. Plus the TIMING of the Dregs tour may have been better for FAMILY
reasons.


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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:27:35 -0500
From: "TheCowGod" <email_address_removed>
To: <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: hehe
Message-ID: <001201be44dd$3c31a420$message_id_removed>


]From: email_address_removed <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: hehe


>
>><   haha, this new development will probably hurt scarred records' sales
of
>The
>Rudess Experiment, as it will no longer be a new and unique show :) moo.
><
>
>Unfortunately, I think it will help the sales. Now everyone's interested in
>hearing Jordan play with Dream Theater, and LTE isn't enough.

yeah, i realized that later.


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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:25:36 -0500
From: Damon Fibraio <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: to the guy who runs lines in the sand
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


I want to take this opportunity to publicly embarrass the guy who runs
lines in the sand for making it totally inaccessible to my web browser.
Earth to Biogie, I am BLIND, and your site is near impossible. This sucks,
I was ready to register and everything. I am now going to publicly
embarrass you. I hope Derek comes to your house and teaches you how to be a
hootinnanny. :)




For the record, i support Derek and won't be drawn into this silly little
flame war that is eating up my inbox. I love Derek, I love Jordan, if I
were gay and they were gay, I would have a massive orgy with those two and
kevin more, OK? Let's just leave it at that, and for the record I am not
gay either.
Chew on that.


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