YTSEJAM Digest 4594 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Keys to growing etc. by Chris Oates 2) Black Adder II by email_address_removed 3) Get the funk out by "Brian D. Hayden" 4) Band Members by Paul Weiss 5) Geez... by Christopher Ptacek 6) Ice Queen Comes Clean by email_address_removed 7) Finally a video for us progressive keyboardists!!! by "Jonathan Roberts" 8) One More Thing ..... by email_address_removed 9) Hmmm... by Christopher Ptacek 10) Derek, and the new DT/LTE in Philly 1/22! by email_address_removed 11) derek/jordan by "Merlo, Christopher" 12) Fwd: Fw: Great comebacks by email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:29:56 -0800 From: Chris Oates To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Keys to growing etc. Message-ID: <3.0.32.19990120102955.00baa5c0@objypop> Mojoman Said: >But, lets just >say that Dream Theater drove down prog street when they recorded WDADU, I&W >and Awake. Let's also say that Dream Theater drove down semi-prog street >during the recording of FII. Except that in many people's eyes (such as mine) FII was more progressive than Awake. To me Awake was a metal album with some proggy parts, FII was a prog album with a more commercial sound. (look at which adjectives are first vs second to see my point) -- And have we seen relative numbers in terms of which album was more "successful" in terms of FII vs I&W? I think there's been a lot of bad-mouthing FII because some people don't like it. I happen to think it was a much stronger album than Awake in nearly every respect. Yes, I do like I&W more, but I think that FII was much more in that vein than Awake was. Please stop treating your opinions as facts. ~Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:49:06 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Black Adder II Message-ID: I wrote: >Who's Queen? > Brian wrote: >I think...maybe...just maybe... > >that's the single most pathetic thing I've ever read. etc etc Have you never seen the Black Adder II series in the USA? 'Who's Queen' is the catchphrase of Queen Elizabeth I (played by Miranda Richardson), always said in a very high pitched silly voice ........ Freezframe wrote >> Thanks for all the contributions! Who's Queen? > >Nikki Brooks is, that's who. Shut the fuck up Nikki, would you? Well I beg to differ because she ISN'T the only Dream Theater fan in the UK. There are loads of us believe it or not ........ ;-) Ice ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:12:52 -0600 From: "Brian D. Hayden" To: email_address_removed Subject: Get the funk out Message-ID: Responding to the message of from email_address_removed: > Have you never seen the Black Adder II series in the USA? 'Who's Queen' is > the catchphrase of Queen Elizabeth I (played by Miranda Richardson), always > said in a very high pitched silly voice ........ That's nice. I don't give a fuck, though, because what I was calling pathetic was your attempted backtracking from your "women in music research" bullshit. And here you go trying to twist away again. Do you really think people are so stupid? I think I can safely speak for at least 99% of us in saying that you're acting like a twelve year old, and if we wanted to hear from twelve year old idiots, we'd go to one who at least provides entertainment (mpm? you available?). Get a life and get lost. -Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:24:20 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Weiss To: "Ytse 'The Jam' Ventura" Subject: Band Members Message-ID: After reading the last post by Mr. Gallop and currently nursing a throbbing headache by ROTFL, I decided to throw another thought to the populace of this list. Interesting, isn't it, how nearly all of the members of DT now have the first initial of "J" [sure, James is really Kevin, but he's still listed as James on the liner notes]? Mike should change his name to Jack or something to keep the group together, otherwise they'll seek another drummer. You never know... And as to the "Dairy Queen's" laziness, that was evident from the get-go. P NP Howard Jones: People Roy Harper [Hat's off]: HQ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul's musical quote for the Month: War Child/ Victim of political pride/ Plant the seed/ Territorial greed/ Mind the War Child/ We should mind the War Child ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:28:53 -0600 (CST) From: Christopher Ptacek To: email_address_removed Subject: Geez... Message-ID: Okay, I was totally shocked, just like everyone else, even though many of us knew that the guys aren't always good buddies. Derek redefined, IMO what a keyboardist's position COULD be in a live situation, and on albums. There is NO denying that he was great at sounds, and he certainly has chops. I am very interested in seeing which direction he'll go now. Clearly being in DT was a good career move for him, if not for money, for name recognition. I am in line with Korg on this one 100%. I don't buy that Derek just up and left. I however, don't think it's ours to demand an answer... it would be great to know the true story, and I am sure Derek will say something eventually to someone (whether that ends up being the true deal or not) but I wouldn't expect an answer from the guys. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a direct result of LTE. I am a big Ruddess fan, and I don't think this will be a BAD thing for DT, but I think it's the end of the heavy distorted key sound and all of the other stuff that took the focus off JP. Ruddess, as someone else mentioned is much lighter in most of the past things I've heard him on. The chunk will all probably be produced by JP. I am expecting that the chops will be sicker on the new album, but that FII will be the best DT album, IMO forever. I got bored of LTE (great as it was) pretty quickly. I guess this is sort of a lesson to you guys how unstable the whole band situation is. Everyone has a side project, and the whole DT thing may just fizzle out (at least in this incarnation) at any moment. I'm very dissappointed that Derek isn't in the band anymore, but now I'll have his albums to buy AND DT's albums to buy. Finally, a couple of you folks are pissing me off more than I can hide. Hotmail should be banned from this list, because it seems to be where you people breed. If you don't like Derek, that's fine. To call him a prick, or to say that he's "a fag" (I agree with CowGod... how would sexuality be relevant at all??? Besides... he gets more women than you ever will) is the height of immaturity. I will do whatever I can to see that Skadz is made aware of bullshit posts like that. Those of you who have to stoop to that level are what kills this list. EVERY member of DT except Myung has been on record acting like a fuckball at one point or another. They're all human, and are all prone to be shitheads eventually... why don't you guys ever call them "pricks"? The internet is totally the ultimate mask for cowards to hide behind. David Dixon: > sound I have ever heard, and I think it fit DT's music incredibly well. > BTW, has anyone noticed the similarities between Jens Johansson's sound on > SV's 'Visions' and Derek's sound on OiaLT and FII? Very weird - Jens sounds > like he's trying to fucking copy Derek (and he doesn't do it very well, > IMHO). Apparently you're not familiar with Korg products. Just having a sound similar to Derek's doesn't mean that he's trying to be Derek. I wonder how closely you are listening though... I couldn't think of two more profoundly different rock keyboardists if I tried. - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:50:52 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Ice Queen Comes Clean Message-ID: OK so here's who I am IF any one is REMOTELY interested. My nickname has been Ice Queen since Black Adder II was first on TV over here in the UK. The reason is because I was always using the catchphrase 'Who's Queen?' It used to follow me everywhere so I answered it with " I is Queen!" If you run the words I IS QUEEN together quickly you get Ice Queen. I am 5' 10" tall and I have red crinkly hair. At school I used to get called Queen Elizabeth 1 because I also have big blue eyes like an Elizabethan painting. I love Dream Theater which is why I am on this list, but I got to hear them through a boyfriend. I don't play any instruments at all and I really can't sing either, so thanks for all the information. I suppose you could call me immature because I am only 21, but hey, that's old enough to DRINK in America. I am a bit of a joker by nature because I think 'life is a joke, you either get it or you don't'. After watching you guys I thought I would have a little fun but, holy shit, I've been replaced by Derek, damn his beautiful eyes!!!! I don't think he would ever fancy me though, because he likes blondes ;-( Oh well ...... Merry Christmas Ice ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:54:38 -0500 From: "Jonathan Roberts" To: Subject: Finally a video for us progressive keyboardists!!! Message-ID: <002101be4577$e174b720$1a24bacc@jon-s-tube> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BE454D.F7CC1CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey all! Hail to DT, masters of all. I don't know how many other keyboardists are on this list(I'm figuring = mostly bass, gtr and drummers) but let me ask you something... Isn't it annoying that there are tons of great instructional videos for = everyone else (other instruments) except for us? True there may be some exceptions, but for the most part you know what I = mean. Anyway, I was just adding Jordan's site to my favorites, and I noticed = he has an instructional video coming out this month! I checked out the = clips, and holy unbelievable! It is going to be fantastic. Finally! Has anyone else found a worthwhile instructional video that I should add = to my collection? (not how to play a c chord and scales) the real good stuff. Modes and their uses, soloing over changes, advanced theory etc.... Well anyway, I'm buying that JorRud video ASA it comes out. YEAH = BABY!!!! A very pleased Progressive 'Boardist Jon ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BE454D.F7CC1CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey all!
Hail to DT, masters of = all.
 
I don't know how many other keyboardists are on this = list(I'm=20 figuring mostly bass, gtr and drummers) but let me ask you=20 something...
Isn't it annoying that there are tons of great = instructional=20 videos for everyone else (other instruments) except for us?
True there may be some exceptions, but for the most = part you=20 know what I mean.
 
Anyway, I was just adding Jordan's site to my = favorites, and I=20 noticed he has an instructional video coming out this month! I checked = out the=20 clips, and holy unbelievable!  It is going to be = fantastic.
 
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Has anyone else found a worthwhile instructional = video that I=20 should add to my collection?
(not how to play a c chord and scales) the real good = stuff.
Modes and their uses, soloing over changes, advanced = theory=20 etc....
 
Well anyway, I'm buying that JorRud video ASA it = comes=20 out.   YEAH BABY!!!!
 
 
A very pleased Progressive 'Boardist
 
Jon
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BE454D.F7CC1CE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:09:36 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: One More Thing ..... Message-ID: I also have to admit that there are several people writing to the list from this address. So you never know what we're gonna come up with next and neither do we for that matter! Ice ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:47:27 -0600 (CST) From: Christopher Ptacek To: email_address_removed Subject: Hmmm... Message-ID: To Anyone who is looking to buy that Lie Single for $100, MAIL ME FIRST. I would like to do anything I can to help STOP people from SCREWING YTSEJAMMERS. $100 is BULLSHIT for a cd you buy for a single track. I would be happy to discuss some arrangement (CDR, MP3, etc) as an alternative for money grubbers! Mike Bahr even sold his spare copies of the Lie single for $25. Puts things in perspective, I suppose. In other news, is it just me or does anyone else think that this will actually have a huge POSITIVE impact on the sales of "The Rudess Experiment"? That's the first bootleg I've been considering BUYING in years. I still probably won't... but there's the first possible preview of a Rudess laden DT. Last and certainly least, I have to admit, I feel stupified for being tricked into doing DairyQueen's work for her... to think... all this time, her plan was to get a dozen or two jammers to name all of their favorite femme musicians! What a criminal mastermind! Sure, "She's just saying that to cover her ass, because buttocks tend to get sore when one has no leg to stand on!" some of you say... but I disagree. After reading some of her fine writings (I was informed last week that she was THE Nikki Brooks... my jaw hit the floor, as I realized the caliber of human being I was up against) I am certain that I owe you all an apology. To think, someone of my meager and narrow musical interest and exposure, arguing with someone who has accomplished SO MUCH in the music business... I am ashamed. May Jens' mystical plumber forgive me. - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:47:33 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Derek, and the new DT/LTE in Philly 1/22! Message-ID: Dear Ytsejam members, I never post, and i just sit here and usually enjoy the stuff that i read. But i have to say that it is a little bothersome to hear people bash Derek so much. Maybe he appeared to be a little bit odd or even a misfit on the stage, but that was how he was prior to joining the band with his provious gigs. DT knew what they were getting. Obviously JR was their initial choice, but he had family committments at the time. How many keyboardests could have stepped in at the time DS did and perform the way he did? I saw DT 4 times this year, and i must say that DS was just as tight as the rest of the band. Did i like FII as much as the other albums? No. I love the album immensely, but let's look at each member's performance on that album. I think everyone (except for Myung) was subpar or less progressive compared to previous albums. Even JLB didn't let loose with those high vibratos. Now in looking at FII; NM, LITS, and ToT are my favorite songs. All songs with high DT input. In fact their 3 of my favorite all-time DT songs. Thank you Derek for your contributions. Do i like you as much KM? Not quite. JR appears to be more suitable and talented for DT, but we haven't heard the album yet. My feeling is that he will indeed add much to the album. Maybe DT as a whole was a little "stale" with their creativity in the making of FII. Maybe they write music that would 'sell." Who knows? We can't blame the (imho) subpar performance on Derek. It's not fair to him, and it leaves the rest of the band unaccountable for their efforts. I have an idea on how DT could make it high on the Charts. Why don't they just do a couple 3 or 4 minute remakes of something that would "sell?" Bands that suck royally do it all the time, and nobody does remakes better than dt that i've ever heard including the vocals. Finally, it is my honor to be attending the Jan 22 LTE show in Philly and help welcome JR to the DT family. Can't wait for 28 minute warning. Peace Chris sorry so long, but please cut me some slack. I haven't posted in over 6 months. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:20:29 -0500 From: "Merlo, Christopher" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: derek/jordan Message-ID: Hmm... a curious situation we find ourselves in now, isn't it? OFB has already weathered two serious lineup changes, so why should this one be any different? But it is, and we all know it is. Somehow, intangibly, imperceptibly, this one's different. Here's my thoughts, for anyone that should care. First of all, this is the first lineup change that has not involved a founding member of the band. When Kevin left the band, we all felt that collective kick in the gut. To many of us, Kevin helped define the sound of DT more than anyone else -- or, more accurately, his absence drew our attention immediately to what it is we love about Dream Theater. DT without Kevin, and Kevin without DT, both failed to sound like DT to a lot of people. By comparison, you can listen to Working Man and "feel the Dream Theater-ness" in Mike's tracks, for whatever that's worth. The same is true listening to JP riff away at a guitar clinic. (I haven't heard enough of JLB or JM on their own to say whether the analogy holds there or not.) But *something* changed when Derek joined the band. Secondly, when Kevin and Charlie left, the band lost a Long Islander for an outsider. Very talented, creative ousiders, who happen to be great guys and work well with the remaining original members -- but still, there was a piece of the DT magic missing. Maybe most of you didn't feel this as strongly as I did, or even at all, but we Long Islanders feel these things, almost as a rift in The Force or something. In this sense, replacing Derek with Jordan is ok, because Jordan at least spent his formative years in the New York area. I think the biggest change, however, is stylistic. Derek's a great keyboardist and a great showman, but I don't think I'm alone when I say that he just didn't fit into DT. I happen to love FII. I think it's a great-sounding album with some magical songs on it. But let's call a spade a spade now. Trial Of Tears and Lines in the Sand notwithstanding, there's no Metropolis, no Scarred, no Learning to Live on that disc. (That's just my nipple, and you may think I'm wrong, but that's a debate for another day.) Of course, we all know what Jordan is capable of, from the LTE discs, from the RMP disc, and from RMP's opening slots for DT shows. Jordan's a much more "progressive" player than Derek. There's also the showmanship factor to consider. Derek is very emotive on stage, which is great, but it always seemed -- to me, anyway -- a little out of place, especially since he seemed to be more "into" the music than James. Now, I'm not trying to imply that James isn't into the music, or anything like that at all, so put the torches away. I'm just saying that when the keyboard player makes more of a show than the singer, it's a little unsettling, that's all. Jordan is quite a bit more reserved on stage. Oh, hell, I'll just come out and say it. Jordan is more like Kevin. And thank Ged for it. I miss Kevin, and I'm glad that Jordan's in Dream Theater. And yet, there's another side to this coin. First, Derek has put four years into this band, trying as hard as he could -- and succeeding, for the most part -- to make it a cohesive unit. In some ways, the band has to start over again, again. It might take some time for everyone to gel. But that's not what's getting to me. There's something that bugs me about this whole change. I was thinking about it over breakfast this morning, and all of a sudden it hit me. All of a sudden, I understood the argument of those who are against interleague play in baseball. The argument goes something like this: "Without interleague play, we are guaranteed that we will see a matchup we've never seen before. Due to interleague play, however, a Series such as '96 was a little less magical because the Braves and Yankees got to see a bit of each other over the summer. That 100% surprise factor was gone. The game was not played strictly by theory. The managers already knew a little something about the other team's hitters and pitchers, and probably used that knowledge to their advantage. In that sense, the games weren't all that dissimilar from any regular-season game." Now, I'm sure most of you are thinking "Does this really apply to DT, or is D-Man just chomping at the bit for baseball season?" Actually, there is a parallel to be drawn to the DT situation (and yes, I can't wait for April). The parallel is this: LTE and portions of LTE II (which we've yet to hear) were written and recorded all at once, due to a scarcity of together time. And the band has already announced that the next DT album will be written and recorded the same way. So, we already have one album of Mike, JP, and JR (and someone else) writing and recording on the fly, with a second album on the way. The next DT album will be Mike, JP, and JR (with two other people) writing and recording on the fly (hopefully with the exceptions of Metropolis II and a Myung composition). Deja vu? I'm excited that Jordan's in the group. I can't wait to see them perform together. But I can't help worrying that the next DT album will be LTE III with special guests John Myung and James LaBrie. Furthermore, what does the future hold for LTE, the Dregs, or RMP? Maybe I'm just being pessimistic. Maybe there will be very few similarities between LTE and DT. Maybe I should just keep my mouth shut until the album comes out. It'll be an interesting few months of speculation, that's for sure. Hope to see some of you at the LTE shows tomorrow and Friday. (Or is that DT with special guest Tony Levin?) D-Man slept here Christopher Merlo Waterhouse Securities, Inc., IS Production Group Office: 201.369.8314 Fax: 201.332.5788 Pager: 888.422.0526 Text Pager: email_address_removed #include<$HOME/.clever_tagline> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:16:13 -0500 (EST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed, email_address_removed, Subject: Fwd: Fw: Great comebacks Message-ID: --WebTV-Mail-876419208-55 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --WebTV-Mail-876419208-55 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-3.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.99) by postoffice-122.bryant.webtv.net; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:58:49 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by mailsorter-101-3.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id SAA10012; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:58:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from default ([12.77.216.21]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07 118 124) with ESMTP id <19990120025847.FLE10824@default> for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 02:58:47 +0000 Reply-To: ]From: "Michael Copper" To: "Richard Copper" Subject: Fw: Great comebacks Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:55:26 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990120025847.FLE10824@default> ---------- > From: Samer Kahook > To: > Subject: FW: Great comebacks > Date: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 6:49 AM > > > > Great Comebacks > > > > Attention female readers! 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Let's pick up some chicks!" > > > > Man: "I know how to please a woman." > > Woman: "Then please leave me alone." > > > > Man: "I want to give myself to you." > > Woman: "Sorry, I don't accept cheap gifts." > > > > Man: "If I could see you naked, I'd die happy: > > Woman: "Yeah, but if I saw you naked, I'd probably die laughing". > > > > Man: "Your body is like a temple." > > Woman: "Sorry, there are no services today." > > > > Man: "I would go to the end of the world for you. > > Woman: "Yes, but would you promise to stay there?" > > > > > --WebTV-Mail-876419208-55-- ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4594 **************************