YTSEJAM Digest 4587 Today's Topics: 1) thanks, Derek! by Manuel 2) Key change! by David Dixon 3) Female musician, local artist by "Dave Boland" 4) Derek/Jordan, LTE by David Dixon 5) More Jordan...... by "Elydian" 6) I've found a problem with Jorden joining... by Dave Ware 7) ABORTION! by David Dixon 8) RE: YTSEJAM digest 4586 by "Giannotti, Nick" 9) RE: My take on the Derek/Jordan thingie! - and - DC info by Rocky Pulley 10) Too bad for DEREK! by ndrouin@canadaegg.ca 11) RE: YTSEJAM digest 4586 by Peter Geerts 12) RE: My take on the Derek/Jordan thingie! - and - DC info by Peter Geerts 13) Re: ABORTION! by Peter Geerts 14) Re: My take on the Derek/Jordan thingie! by "Frank Benenati" 15) Re: Key change! by Craig Griffith 16) Episode III: A New Keyboardist... by Josh Brand ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:54:22 +0100 From: Manuel To: ytsejam Subject: thanks, Derek! Message-ID: to be honest, i didn't like Derek right from the beginning. i heard FII and thought, wtf, what is wrong with the guys. as time passed by, FII has become a true loyal friend to me and thus i started to love the things Derek brought into Dream Theaters music. He was the rock and roll king. he added so much colour to the group. from his glamorous appearance to his funny statements. and to his musical abilities: God how come people really can say that he's not one of the best keyboarders out there! he's touring with rocks biggest guns, he knows 'em all. i fell in love with great key solos like in BMS or TOT, one hell of a nice solo in nothing left to say on Platypus. a keyboard player who mentions Eddie the king Van Halen as one of his biggest influences, he's gotta be crazy!!!! I will miss him in Dream Theaters music. but we shall not lose too many tears. Jordan is a genius as well. (though Derek looked so much better, according to my girlfriend...) i just find it unfair to say it's good he left. but i am happily looking forward to what we are going to hear ( not see...) in the future. thanks Derek for all the great music. thank you for the show. 'stop! i wanna go home, take off the uniform and leave the show!' (r.waters) long live Nicky Lemons!!!!!! Dryheat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:51:47 -0700 From: David Dixon To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Key change! Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C96056498091DB@messaging> <<< i would hope that maybe LTE will open for DT, since most of em are already stuck there for the night, they might as well :) >>> Uh, how 'bout KC AND LTE opening for DT? Now wouldn't that make my day.... David Dixon, MCP Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:05:35 PST From: "Dave Boland" To: email_address_removed Subject: Female musician, local artist Message-ID: Along this female musician line. anyone in New York, upstate, especially college towns, check out Paddy Kilrain. she's an independent, local artist. most like Ani DiFranco. usually just her and an acoustic guitar. pretty good! e-mail me for more info! -dave ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:03:50 -0700 From: David Dixon To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Derek/Jordan, LTE Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C96056498091DC@messaging> <<< 1. What is to happen to LTE now? All LTE is now is instrumental DT with a different bassist. >>> Well, MP has said in several interviews that LTE and DT are CONCEPTUALLY different. LTE is the creative, experimental, weird outlet, while DT is the structured, more song-oriented band. I don't think the key change (hehehe) will alter this too drastically. Well, I must say it. Derek kicks ass. He had the most unique keyboard sound I have ever heard, and I think it fit DT's music incredibly well. BTW, has anyone noticed the similarities between Jens Johansson's sound on SV's 'Visions' and Derek's sound on OiaLT and FII? Very weird - Jens sounds like he's trying to fucking copy Derek (and he doesn't do it very well, IMHO). Anyway, let's face it, Jordan Rudess is the fucking man. He is (once again IMHFO) THE keyboardist right now, and will take DT into the future in the best way possible. I think, though I loved Derek's playing (and his amazing stage presence), this is a positive move for DT. I also hope Jordan doesn't subscribe to this list (no need to make him leave, too).... :) David Dixon, MCP Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:15:07 -0000 From: "Elydian" To: Subject: More Jordan...... Message-ID: <01be43cf$43552f60$0100007f@elydian> I've just read the backlog of Jams since the announcement. I believe that this is going to be a very important era for DT. Will this see a return to the more epic visions of the more old school DT? Who knows? But to me, DT with DS were four geniuses and a good keyboard player. With JR, DT are now five geniuses, ALL now, owners of minds capable of visions of epic, emotional, and virtuoso compositions. Let's see DT at a one with each other more than ever. On another note, I'm suprized no-one has mentioned JR's classical influence. To me, this is what makes him one of the most powerfully moving players of our time. His piano solo in the middle of 'Crossing Over' (Rudess Morgenstein Project), affects me to the level of pieces such as Grieg's Piano Concerto. Hopefully, he won't suppress this influence within DT. But with my love of classical aside, live, his presence is more powerful than either of DT's previous keyboard players. His emotion showing more, his concentration more intense, his energy eminating like that of the sun. Maybe this will even see the return of DT's more musically orientated approach, and on stage, their more performance orientated approached (although they were never that far from this approach anyway) reminiscent of Live In Tokyo. This was mentioned in an earlier post, but Derek's approach to life was evidentely quite different to the rest of DT's. His choice to pursue multiple partners, when the rest of DT were more focused on raising families in more loving, stable relationships, was clear. And despite some of you saying that this part of his life is irrelevent to his music, it quite obviously isn't. An artist's way of life is almost unavoidably eminent in his art. On the subject of LTE with vocals, I don't think it will be. Quite possibly it will emerge in some places, but remember, LTE was an impulse composed experimental project, a *momental* work of genius. DT tend to use a more compositional approach than that, which will be reinforced, I expect, by their new choice of keyboard player. DT will, as they always have done, explore the possibilities of music, of *their* music. ======================================================= In a world which your mind controls, belief is reality. -- E-Mail: elydian@netcomuk.co.uk -- ICQ UIN: 1491970 -- Web Pages: http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~elydian/ ======================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:25:09 -0600 From: Dave Ware To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: I've found a problem with Jorden joining... Message-ID: Ok, I have a problem with Jorden joining DT.. THE ACRONYM FROM HELL. I keep wanting to shout "WHO SHOT" every time I see "JR" on the Jam... Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama). NP: LITS from OIAL....hmmm - kinda feels strange. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:22:03 -0700 From: David Dixon To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: ABORTION! Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C96056498091DD@messaging> Uh, I believe partial-birth abortions are illegal in most US states (we'll have to go to Canada, amongst the Caribou).... <<<<<<< On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Isaac Trumbo wrote: > it's about time they got rid of that prick!!.. yeah he's a good keyboard > i'm glad he's gone. Uh-oh... I sense some Derek vs Jordan flame war coming on.... Is there a way to stop this, now that it's still embryonal? Cheers Zaphod >>>>> David Dixon, MCP Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:30:22 -0500 From: "Giannotti, Nick" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 4586 Message-ID: <390762D98D63D2118C280060081358CC414527@HAMSXHA2> >Oh well, if that would happen, it'd be a next step in DT's evolution... >You said that you liked DT's new sound with the coming of Derek... What >makes Jordan's joining any different? DT will sound different, sure >enough, and if that sound HAPPENS to resemble LTE's, why would that make a >difference? It'll be DT heading (yet) another direction... Face it... The >KM days will NEVER come back. Even if a lot of people say that JR will >bring back in some old school 'progness' into DT, it'll NEVER be the same >as in the I&W or Awake days... So again, so what if we'll notice a lot of >LTE influences into the 'new' DT? I even think that'd be logical in some >ways... > >On the other hand, I think a LTE III becomes highly unprobable:-) I never said that I wantedthe I&W days to come back, and I certainly didn't mean to imply that I wanted KevMo back in the band. I was always in the Derek camp as opposed to the Kevin one. My point was that I embraced the direction they were going in with FII as opposed to LTE, and I hope that they continue down the FII path. That's not to say that I don't think LTE is good - it's unreal. But I'd rather see Dream Theater, the band, continue down the road that Dream Theater, the band, was already down, as opposed to taking a left at Albequerque and driving down LTE Blvd. >From: Syrinx >Subject: Re: DEREK OUT!!! > >> Maybe not, but I sure hope EVERYONE is disappointed with the fact that >> Derek leaves... > > I'm not. See, now, people, this is how it should be: someone who isn't upset that Derek is gone is saying, "I'm not upset that Derek is gone." Syrinx was 100% mature about how he feels about this situation, and said so, without being insulting or degrading towards Derek in the least. Kudos to him. Let's try to be a little more mature about this and not insult the guy on his way out the door. -Nick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:35:15 -0500 From: Rocky Pulley To: email_address_removed Subject: RE: My take on the Derek/Jordan thingie! - and - DC info Message-ID: >>It's quite possible that Mike, John, John and James simply want to go back to doing something like I&W. >> As much as I love I&W, it's not the 80's anymore. I love FII. Maybe not more than the other stuff, but just as much, and I'm not a "new" fan. I've been a fan since I&W first came out. I think FII added some balls and soul to DT that they never had before. anyway, I'm really sorry to see him go, I know Jordan is great, but from what I've heard from him, he sounds like a machine, a DEFINATE change from Derek. Oh, and by the way, anyone who lives near the DC area, my band is going to be playing at "the grog" in georgetown tomorrow (wed) night. We've only been together about a month, so we don't have originals yet, so we will just be playing DT songs. the set list will probably be: Mirror Lie Caught In A Web Pull Me Under Sober - (ok not by DT) Metropolis We've played this set before here, and nobody liked us, cause they were all there to see an alternative band. oh well, maybe some DT fans will want to see us. =========================================== Rocky Dean Pulley, MCSE email_address_removed PC Data, Inc. (703) 435-1025 x133 "You can feel the waves coming on, Let them destroy you, or carry you on." =========================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:39:06 -0500 From: ndrouin@canadaegg.ca To: Subject: Too bad for DEREK! Message-ID: <4FB5560F49ABD211821100104B974B1F1830@NT2> I am happy in rejoining YTSEJAM. Derek did his contribution to the band b= ut now we have a real keyboard genius who has just joined. Jordan is the missing piece to this band. He will not be shy in taking leads and bringi= ng us closer to a prog sounding band with more complex structured musical sounds. In my opinion, the next album will have sound parts ala IAW, but much better. Imagine at their next tour, they will perform their material and parts of Liquid tension 1&2. I can't wait! Will LTE die? I'm sure he will be a great musician in the likes of Emerson, Wakeman, Banks, Minnear, etc=85 Hail to the new Keyboard master! Jordan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:43:13 +0100 (CET) From: Peter Geerts To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 4586 Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Giannotti, Nick wrote: > I never said that I wantedthe I&W days to come back, and I certainly > down the road that Dream Theater, the band, was already down, as opposed to > taking a left at Albequerque and driving down LTE Blvd. I see... I misinterpreted your post... It's just a matter of taste then.... Those who liked the FII style, and those who'd rather see them take a LTE turn... Well... whatever happens, DT surely have alot more surprises for us to come, beginning with the next album:-) (or maybe they'll announce next that they fired Kevin Shirley??:-)) hehe Cheers Zaphod ============================================================================== Peter Geerts *QUOTE* email_address_removed.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles) ICQ: 13122363 Second Year's Political Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium President JVS Orion Mechelen Youth Astronomers Club, Belgium ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:44:50 +0100 (CET) From: Peter Geerts To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: My take on the Derek/Jordan thingie! - and - DC info Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Rocky Pulley wrote: > As much as I love I&W, it's not the 80's anymore. I love FII. Maybe not Just to remind you: I&W was released in 1992... sounds pretty 90's to me... (and yes, I know, lots of the music was written in 1989) Cheers Zaphod ============================================================================== Peter Geerts *QUOTE* email_address_removed.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles) ICQ: 13122363 Second Year's Political Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium President JVS Orion Mechelen Youth Astronomers Club, Belgium ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:47:08 +0100 (CET) From: Peter Geerts To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: ABORTION! Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, David Dixon wrote: > Uh, I believe partial-birth abortions are illegal in most US states (we'll > have to go to Canada, amongst the Caribou).... LOL!! But in that case, we musn't let it grow any further... Max age for abortion embryonal problems is 12 digests here in Belgium I believe:-)) Cheers Zaphod ============================================================================== Peter Geerts *QUOTE* email_address_removed.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles) ICQ: 13122363 Second Year's Political Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium President JVS Orion Mechelen Youth Astronomers Club, Belgium ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:49:31 -0500 From: "Frank Benenati" To: Subject: Re: My take on the Derek/Jordan thingie! Message-ID: <000701be43d4$11528120$message_id_removed> > From: "TheCowGod" > > >Derek is a nice guy. He plays a mean keyboard. He's a Yankee fan. He even > >has a funny little stage presence (although I think it's flat out gay!). > But > > arrgh, why does everyone say that like it's a bad thing? "he's > pretty cool, > although i'm pretty sure he's gay..." first of all the stereotype is not > very accurate, there's plenty of manly gay guys that can kick > everyone's ass I'm extremely sorry of this was taken in the wrong context. Maybe it was my word choice. I am quite sure that Derek Sherinian is not homosexual. There was a time where using the word gay meant more than just homosexual and frankly, that's what I was driving at. I think Derek's slightly flamboyant stage presence was un called for. Personally, I do not like it at all. The tan-Bono bumble-bee glasses and the dumb half-ass facial hair on the chin. Frankly, I never thought it fit. The dumb gyrations on stage.... When I said it was gay, I meant that it was uncalled for in the situation that it lived in. Read my post again, I never said Derek was gay. I said that his stage presence is gay (us word gay, dumb, or stupid interchangeably) -MojoMan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:14:49 -0500 From: Craig Griffith To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Key change! Message-ID: David Dixon wrote: > <<< i would hope that maybe LTE will open for DT, since most of em are > already > stuck there for the night, they might as well :) >>> > > Uh, how 'bout KC AND LTE opening for DT? Now wouldn't that make my day.... While a KC/LTE/DT show would rule verily, um...don't you think at least KC and DT should get equal billing? After all, haven't they been prog-rocking since most of the folks in DT were toddlers? I'll leave individual quality assessments to individuals (as they should be), but I think King Crimson is AT LEAST as good if not better than DT. -- Craig Griffith: High school student, guitar player, King of Craigland http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Dell/8509/ "I may make you feel, but I can't make you think" -Ian Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:20:05 -0500 From: Josh Brand To: Ytsejam Subject: Episode III: A New Keyboardist... Message-ID: During the last 'jam, Zaphod muttered purposefully: >Uh-oh... I sense some Derek vs Jordan flame war coming on.... > >Is there a way to stop this, now that it's still embryonal? > >Cheers > >Zaphod Stop? Control? On the _ytsejam_? No chance in hell, man. We are in for the ride of our lives. I can see the camps gathering already. It seems as though everyone is pro-Jordan, but the sentiments of the 'jammers towards Derek are coming out. Soon, baby... Just for the record, I'll say I'm sorry Derek's splitting. I really dug the guy, personally and professionally. As for his being gay, whoever said that (again...) can go find me the medical text that says lisps are a sure sign of homosexuality. Then reconcile that with Derek's apparently healthy appetite for women. Hell, I had wanted to talk to him for a bit after a show in Chicago, but Mike said he had slipped off with a gal. Sounds pretty gay to me. Not that there's anything wrong with that... Anyway, that's my pocket change for you. All I can add to that is... Rudess Rules! I can't wait for the next album... & Met II. Josh -- I _should_ want to shake Jordan's hand and congratulate him on his joining DT. I should _not_ want to replace Derek with him in the jar in my basement. --Another excerpt from "The Guy Who Plays Keys in DT Fanclub" ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4587 **************************