YTSEJAM Digest 4560 Today's Topics: 1) Re: TTT by Brad Plumb 2) LTE NAMM correction by email_address_removed 3) Muzik Bizz! by Chris Schulze 4) Re: Early nineties grunge by James Hunt 5) new genre stuff... by DYER 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4557 by Beavis--Wes Foll 7) someone please tape me stuff from planet rock/kfsg (?) by O-P Komonen 8) Schtuph by "Neil Gallop" 9) LTE live appearance by Manuel 10) fingernails and picking by Peter Tatischev 11) Re: DT keyboard tabs by Peter Geerts 12) Portnoy's Drum Kit by Mehmet Cevat Ozyildirim 13) Bass players w/ picks by TEDESCO MATTHEW A 14) Meshuggah in Roll. Stone, CANDIRIA by Al Balkiewicz 15) ah, yesterdays... by Dave M Klint 16) Re: LTE live appearance by polzin edward george 17) Re: Vanilla Ice??? by "Dave Peterson" 18) ticketweb!?@? by Syrinx 19) Rappers recycle! by "Al @ Switchcraft" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:55:29 -0600 From: Brad Plumb To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: TTT Message-ID: >On another note, is there anywhere I can find the piano music to >"Wait for Sleep"? > I figured out the top half of it myself, and play it on every piano I see ;) BABBABBABDCABABBABGF#GF#ED hehehe BrAd PlUmB Co-President of NARF (North Houston Anime Resistance Force) If you live in Houston and you like anime check us out! NARF Homepage: http://students.ou.edu/T/Joshua.R.Tompkins-1/narf/ "Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New Hope "High School's much better than Junior High, people still call you names but they don't do it as much to your face." -Welcome to the Dollhouse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 00:10:29 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: LTE NAMM correction Message-ID: OOPS! I was in such a rush to get the info out, I mistakenly put the LTE NAMM appearance as Saturday, January 31st..... Actually, it is SATURDAY JANUARY 30th!! Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 00:31:59 -0500 From: Chris Schulze To: email_address_removed Subject: Muzik Bizz! Message-ID: Ah! The music business! More business than music really. Yet I have to disagree with two posts I saw recently (even if Korg=92s was just a joke anyway=85 well, a half joke if I know him=85). Dave M. Klint was quite pissed when he said this: << Remember this rule: anything that cannot be _played_ live is a fad and will ultimatly die (witness Techno, industrial, etc...). But if you can have music with the energy and drive of Techno and such, but you can actually _perform_ it live, you will succeed. >> Ok, first, techno and industrial are alive and doing much better than prog. The thing is, there actually ARE good and some awesome bands in these genres (not necessarily the most popular ones =96 but isn=92t that = the case with any kind of music=85). I don=92t agree with the =93perform live=94 thing either. Did Beethoven = ever play his own music? No, he conducted it but didn=92t play it. So if you=92= re an artist you can be the big kahuna on stage and hire a bunch of musicians and =96 voila!!! =96 you have the live thing going. You can pla= y ANYTHING live if you hire good musicians. I personally think writing and performing skills are two completely different things, and people who excel at one of them don=92t necessarily have to be as good with the othe= r to be considered good musicians. I think we=92ll eventually come back to = a point where composers will not necessarily be performers again. Bob Dylan=92s songs always sound better to me when somebody else sings them. Korg among other funny things said: << A record company seeking profit will NEVER allow this. Talent is to Radio as Mogwais are to Midnight Snacks. Record companies avoid talent, it costs too much and violates the rules. Any band with actual talent is to be hereby referred to as "buttrock" as preordained by the youth of the 90's. Not to be discussed positively in public without bearing humiliating circumstances. >> I don=92t agree that record companies avoid talent. Record companies will hire and sell any band that the public wants to listen to. I think it is the public that dictates the market more than the record companies. Sure, record companies will push certain types of bands, but how do you explain Dave Mathews band and Tori Amos and Sarah MacLachlan and Loreena McKennit. You might not like them but in my opinion those are some very talented people. Obs: IMHHO (in my humble honest opinion) playing 32nd notes at 300bpm is NOT a talent. Writing and playing songs like Learning to Live is. Now the Grammys, THEY do avoid talent. What is the world coming to when Will Smith wins a Grammy for best male R&B=85=85 ^Christian laffs at some dead baby jokes. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 01:11:56 -0600 From: James Hunt To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Early nineties grunge Message-ID: davek wrote: > The steady demand for non-talent music was on the rise, and it was only given a boost when > grunge-rock hit the scene in the early 90's. Here were albums going double platinum with > every song consisting of 3 power chords and whining vocals. Now today, we are faced with > the demise of the bands of that era (Nirvana, Soundgarden, > STP, etc.) Okay, sure, for the most part, but I don't think you can really write off every band from the early nineties, Soundgarden especially. They did some weird things (superimposing a 15/8 guitar and drum part over a 12/8 bass part? check out "Limo Wreck" on Superunknown) and played in myriad strange tunings and odd time sig's. And, Kim Thayil, while he's no technique hound or anything, is a fine guitarist IMO--pretty different from what you usually hear. And they didn't write "three chord songs." They were all based on good old fashioned guitar hooks.Sorry, just had to stick up for my fave "mainstream" early nineties band. Flame away. DTC: Soundgarden's nowhere near as cool as DT. JP kicks Thayil into oblivion. Kilded email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:03:07 +1000 From: DYER To: email_address_removed Subject: new genre stuff... Message-ID: I'd have to say i don't like this stuff.....but it's better than listening to most of the other crap that rdaio churns out... however do checkout Bumnblefoot - Hands... some of those songs are a kind of rap metal...and as far as shred goes...Ron Thal has a fair handle on it! :) seriously his leads are so liqiud and smooth...they rock! the songs also have some good hooks and catchy bits....vox are quite good.....good and often humerous lyrics....all in all I would reccommend this disc... Cheers paul D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:04:26 -0800 From: Beavis--Wes Foll To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4557 Message-ID: >From: Al Balkiewicz > System of a Down - well, if you have money to blow, go see them. > If you like the show, THEN buy the album. Don't > buy the album until you see them first. Otherwise, it'll be a > very difficult thing to swallow. This is very good advice. I just saw SOAD open for Pantera/Black Sabbath in LA this past Wednesday, and I was a little confused by their music and message. The message they put out seems along the lines of Rage against the machine, and some of their music is rappish too, but then they get all weird in parts of songs. They definitely threw me off, I ordered the cd from BMG as one of my free ones just to check them out some more. Good and heavy for the most part... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:17:35 +0200 From: O-P Komonen To: email_address_removed Subject: someone please tape me stuff from planet rock/kfsg (?) Message-ID: my old favorite band stryper will be in radio for the first time in 7 yrs... so if someone could be so kind and tape this to me when it comes out... please do... I'm sure I'll be able to send you something nice back for that tape.. op777 this info from http://www.digisys.net/users/lunsford/whatnew.htm "Ladies and Gentlemen. I am pleased to announce.....that all four members of Stryper, (Mike, Robert, Tim and Oz), will be doing an EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW with us at PLANET ROCK RADIO. On Saturday evening, Jan. 16th, Stryper will do a full 2 hours with us, LIVE on the air in Los Angeles, as well as LIVE on the NET. The Show will begin at 9pm Pacific Time. STRYPER confirmed with us, just last night, that they will, indeed, allow us to conduct their first interview together, IN 7 YEARS. We DO NOT have any answers to some of the obvious questions. There is a lot they have to say, and I hope many will be able to hear us on the web. PLANET ROCK can be heard over the 'internet' by way of going to our website at www.rock411.com/planetrock and then clicking to the Real Audio Player. You may also go to the KFSG website at www.kfsg.com and do the same. Please pray for us as we get ready for what is expected to be an amazing evening. God, only, could have worked this out. YOU HAVE NO IDEA. (But you may after next week.)" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:31:43 +0100 From: "Neil Gallop" To: Subject: Schtuph Message-ID: <000001be3edf$e9e06920$message_id_removed.de> Hi all somebody wrote something along the lines of "a band that sounds like Korn with Petrucci guitar solos will be big". Search no longer, amigo mio. Just play the album "Chaosphere" by Meshuggah - ultra hard, ultra-heavy riffing and very, very sick guitar work. Plus, these guys blow you against the wall in a live situation. You have been warned. And if you're looking for a good hardcore band, don't forget the mighty Machine Head (must be cool because Mike Portnoy wore one of their shirts once). Fast, hard and full in your face. Also a great live band. I was lucky enough to see them once when they were being supported by Meshuggah - pure energy. Look out for the new album soon. Attention Star Wars fans: here is the poster you have all been looking for: http://www.startingpage.com/images/starr%20wars.jpg (thanks to Graham in bonnie Scotland for this one). I fear I may be a poor man this afternoon - I just received an email from my CD dealer telling me that new stuff has arrived. stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: Misanthrope - Libertine Humiliations ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:30:58 +0100 From: Manuel To: ytsejam Subject: LTE live appearance Message-ID: hey there!!! since these are going to be the only ever live shows of lte, how about recording them and making them accessable to all the devoted fans? i don't want to have a low quality bootleg of that gigs, i want the stuff sounding right, but... I WANT IT! greetings Dryheat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:41:48 +0300 From: Peter Tatischev To: email_address_removed Subject: fingernails and picking Message-ID: >To add a little bit to the bass players using picks discussion, I >personally really like the hard edged attack that picks can give a bass, >but I cannot, for the life of me, play with a pick. I have to use my >fingers (it's how I learned). I've tried a number of times to use a pick >and just can't get it down. Once, I tried growing my fingernails out to >sort of use as picks, but, well, that didn't go over too well, either. >Any tips on how I can get that sort of sound without actually using a >pick? When you grow your nails and play bass the sound is really cool, but it doesn't sound like icking at all, cause when you pick the string just moves up and down and when you finger it also moves deeper and comes closer to the pickup (I don't know how else to explain it), so the sound it different, and when I tried the same thing I treally liked it, but after a couple of hours you get annoyed and have to cut your nails back to their normal length, that's the major disadvantage... ========================================================== The maintainer of the YtseJamCD Project site: http://www.glasnet.ru/~tatisch/Ytze IRC: Hammman ICQ:425-8962 =========================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:42:02 +0100 (CET) From: Peter Geerts To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: DT keyboard tabs Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Pedro Olmo Stancioli Vaz de Melo wrote: > > Hey, If anyone knows where I can find "wait of sleep" or "Space Dye Vest" > keyboard tabs please contact me. Thanks:) Just a question.... keyboard tabs??? Is that like guitar tabs but for a keyboard? Isn't a normal score way easier? Cheers Zaphod ============================================================================== Peter Geerts *QUOTE* email_address_removed.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles) ICQ: 13122363 Second Year's Political Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium President JVS Orion Mechelen Youth Astronomers Club, Belgium ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:06:51 +0200 (EET) From: Mehmet Cevat Ozyildirim To: email_address_removed Subject: Portnoy's Drum Kit Message-ID: I am looking for some info about the drum-kit Portnoy used in the recording of Awake (The sizes of the toms, snare, bass drum, etc.). Especially the sizes of the toms he uses in the beginning of 6:00. -bye- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:12:58 -0700 (MST) From: TEDESCO MATTHEW A To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Bass players w/ picks Message-ID: Thinking about the history on the bass, I can't think of many bass players who played predominantly with a pick, and actually made a significant contribution to the instrument. The only one that comes to mind is Chris Squire... and with him brought up, I've noticed that several people have made comments to the effect of, "Dave Ellefson is indoubtedly the best pick player." (At least 2 people, I think, have said this.) I'm going to have to assume they either forgot about Squire, or have never heard him. It's the only excuse I can think of for such a comment. Even in the rock/metal genre, the bassists I think about as being most cited as primary interests, and having made some sort of stylistic impression on the bass community, are guys like John Entwistle, John Paul Jones, Geezer Butler, Steve Harris, Geddy Lee, Cliff Burton... to the best of my knowledge, all finger players. Well, food for thought... --MATt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:29:04 -0500 (EST) From: Al Balkiewicz To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Meshuggah in Roll. Stone, CANDIRIA Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Neil Gallop wrote: > > Hi all > > somebody wrote something along the lines of "a band that sounds like > Korn with Petrucci guitar solos will be big". Search no longer, amigo > mio. Just play the album "Chaosphere" by Meshuggah - ultra hard, > ultra-heavy riffing and very, very sick guitar work. Plus, these guys > blow you against the wall in a live situation. You have been warned. > Surprisingly enough, the latest issue of Rolling Stone (I got a subscription as a present - he is no longer my friend) has a 3-page thing talking abuot the best "metal" bands out there. Meshuggah was one of the featured bands in there. Of course, so was Marilyn Manson I believe, as well as KoRn. Anyway, the write-up on Meshuggah was very positive, and it was really surprising for me to see. Soulfly was another band that I recognized on there from talk on here...... One of the bands that was featured and had really good remarks was a band from around here (NY area) called Candiria. Anyone hear of these guys? I haven't seen them mentioned on the 'Jam at all. Apparently, they're supposed to be a really good prog metal-type band...........anyone? -Al ====================================================================== b l i n d l a b o r s t h e b l i n d a n d I a m u n w i l l i n g t o u n c o v e r m y e y e s ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ email_address_removedemail_address_removed@healthways.org HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:28:08 -0500 From: Dave M Klint To: email_address_removed Subject: ah, yesterdays... Message-ID: >Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:14:53 -0600 >From: "Brian Hayden" > >Ehh...I have to disagree. Cream, Hendrix, etc, were popular, but in an >underground sort of way. The charts at that time were dominated by stuff >like Aretha Franklin and the Monkees and Pat Boone. Not that there's >anything wrong with Aretha. Genesis were never big until the 80's when Phil >sang. Yes had about three charted singles. Alright, Yes's songs were all over 20 minutes so they couldn't be singles, and Genesis didn't break in the US until the self title, which was not the first Phil one, but he was the lead singer. But you _have_ to agree that there was something different about that era of music. It wasn't until post WWII that record companies even discovered that the youth of America would even BUY music. In the 60's and 70's, music was more universal, and the bands that were popular actually had an amount of talent, either in songwriting or performing. Music is cyclical, and there are times when good music is popular and there are times when bad music is popular. And I whole-heartedly dissagree with the people who say pop music will always suck, so deal. I'll always fight to get people to like my music, becuase I want everyone else to get the joy out of it that I do; I know it won't happen, but I'll try. Bands like The Who and The Doors were considered Pop music in their day, so it wasn't always that bad. Argue it any way you want. There WILL be a music revolution, or revitalization, or recycle, or whatever you want to call it. It will happen, becuase history tells us it will happen. Whether talent comes in style is up for debate, but there will be a change. -davek ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:37:13 -0600 (CST) From: polzin edward george To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: LTE live appearance Message-ID: yeah, i second this. since most likely they wont be coming anywhere near chicago. On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Manuel wrote: > > hey there!!! > since these are going to be the only ever live shows of lte, how about > recording them and making them accessable to all the devoted fans? > i don't want to have a low quality bootleg of that gigs, i want the > stuff sounding right, but... > I WANT IT! > greetings > Dryheat > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:12:56 PST From: "Dave Peterson" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Vanilla Ice??? Message-ID: Yup, it's true! Ol' Vanilla Ice (Circa 1990 with Ice Ice Baby!) is on the scene again, but this time he's got a band with him! True story: I work at a Disc Go Round and we'd gotten some copies in of Vanilla's new CD (I forget the title). We put it on the house player. Over a two day period, at least 3 different people came up to us saying "Who is this playing! They're awesome!!!" My co-worker is a savvy businessman so his response was "It's a secret. Would you buy the CD? We have it here for sale..." "Hell Yeah! This shit's the bomb! Who is this!" "I'll tell you, but only after you buy the CD." "It's a deal!" Needless to say, they were a bit surprised who they were listening to, but the truth is, it's not half bad! It's not half good either, but it fits nicely in with the rap/metal genre we've been talking about. Speaking of which, I have to wholeheartedly agree with the opinions expressed about Incubus and System of a Down... Incubus TRULY knows how to mesh these two worlds seamlessly. Adding da funk doesn't hurt it a bit either! EASILY my favorite band from this new genre. If you want some metal with a tad of the urban flava mixed in, these guys are for you! Check out "S.C.I.E.N.C.E." and your ears will never be the same. (Who is that guy's face all over their CD's anyway???) System of a Down is a mystery, ain't they? I first heard them on the radio and happened upon a free copy of their CD. I say they should have their own name: Caffeinated metal. Damn that guy's a spaz!!!! I can't decide if they're taking themselves seriously or not. I also can't decide if I like them or not. Well, I guess my car's warmed up now. (It's -10 degrees this morning and I hate driving in a cold car.) Later, Homies! - Dr. Teeth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:39:48 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx To: A Ytse Besides Itself Subject: ticketweb!?@? Message-ID: Hey, gang. I don't know about you guys, but the fact that ticketweb.com is down (and the recording, when you call, says "our system is unavailable") when trying to order LTE tickets scare you just a tad? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:47:14 -0600 From: "Al @ Switchcraft" To: retaehT maerD Subject: Rappers recycle! Message-ID: LOS ANGELES--In an announcement that has caused grave concern within the nation's hip-hop community, the American Society of Composers, Authors, and Publishers (ASCAP) revealed Monday that only two songs remain for rappers to sample, Tiny Tim's "Tiptoe Through The Tulips" and Styx's "Mr. Roboto." "Such albums as Puff Daddy's No Way Out and Mase's Harlem World have taken a heavy toll on our nation's precious sample reserves, ASCAP president Richard Goffin said. "Our nation's rap artists must now face the consequences of their failure to conserve this all-too-finite resource." With such artists as Puff Daddy, Jay-Z, Foxy Brown, Snoop Doggy Dogg, and Method Man all slated to begin work on new albums in the next six months, bidding for the sample rights to "Tiptoe Through The Tulips" and "Mr. Roboto" is expected to be fierce. Puff Daddy, a.k.a. Sean "Puffy" Combs, has already stated that he is willing to pay up to $20 million for the rights to the ukulele line in "Tiptoe" alone. "Yo, I got to get that 'Tiptoe' track," Combs said in an interview in The Source magazine. "I ain't got an album without it." Styx spokespersons said the band will attempt to maximize profits from "Mr. Roboto" by selling off the hit song from 1983's Kilroy Was Here piecemeal. "Our asking price for the song's 'Domo Arigato' spoken-word intro with synthesizer backing is $25 million," Styx bassist Chuck Panozzo said. "As far as the lyric, 'My blood is boiling, my heart is human, my brain IBM,' goes, I can't imagine we would be asking any less than $55 million for that." While Monday's ASCAP announcement stunned rappers across the U.S., signs of the impending crisis were present years ago. In 1989, James Brown became the first sample source to be exhausted, when the Jungle Brothers used a snippet of Brown sneezing during an outtake for "The Big Payback" on its album Done By The Forces Of Nature. By 1992, the music of numerous other high- profile artists was exhausted, including George Clinton, Rick James, Kool & The Gang, Prince and Queen. By 1995, nearly 80 percent of ASCAP-registered artists were tapped out as sample sources, including Roxette, Peaches & Herb, Bruce Hornsby, White Lion and Jon Secada. Last Friday, the number of unsampled songs fell to two when rapper Master P paid $12 million for the rights to "Is It Love," the B-side to the 1986 Mr. Mister hit "Broken Wings." "This is an extremely serious situation," said Def Jam president Russell Simmons, whose label--which has featured such artists as Public Enemy, Beastie Boys, EPMD, and LL Cool J--was responsible for much of the sample depletion of the mid- to late '80s. "Rappers may have to wait upwards of 10 years between albums, until there's enough new pop songs to sample. Other than that, the only solution is for rappers to come up with the music themselves. Let's just hope it never comes to that." -- Al - The Ytse-ProGtologist ^ Switchcraft Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Butthead ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4560 **************************