YTSEJAM Digest 4503

Today's Topics:

  1) Re:Bafu's defense of gas-station musicians :)
 by Mauricio <email_address_removed.mx>
  2) 
 by email_address_removed (Jeffrey Falk)
  3) James's voice AND pointless replies
 by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
  4) Re: Mike Portnoy website....
 by "Computer Jim DTFOTL" <email_address_removed>
  5) Need some bands info...
 by email_address_removed
  6) Re: Digest 4502 and many before....
 by "Geoffrey Simmons" <email_address_removed>
  7) Err...Hang on, Dave
 by "Simon John  Dodd" <email_address_removed.ac.uk>
  8) __ .. _ __
 by CyberDuke <email_address_removed.mk>
  9) Extreme list wanted, NDTC!
 by Markus Tenberge <email_address_removed.de>
 10) Magna Carta news...
 by CyberDuke <email_address_removed.mk>
 11) Pink Floyd Radio, Opeth, et cetera...
 by Josh Brand <email_address_removed>
 12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4502
 by Nick Storr <email_address_removed.au>
 13) 
 by "Dream Theater" <email_address_removed>
 14) DTIFC
 by "Emerson, Michael J." <email_address_removed>
 15) Different Stages goes Gold
 by David Dixon <email_address_removed>
 16) Overdubs on LatM?
 by Joe DeAngelo <email_address_removed>
 17) TSO Jr. ???
 by "Michael Patrick" <email_address_removed>
 18) LATM...<gasp> overdubs??
 by "appoggiatura !" <email_address_removed>
 19) Re: TSO Jr. ???
 by Al Balkiewicz <email_address_removed>
 20) LaBrie
 by Adam Pye <email_address_removed>

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:54:42 -0600
From: Mauricio <email_address_removed.mx>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re:Bafu's defense of gas-station musicians :)
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.mx>



What about Alex Lifeson? He worked on a gas station too, and if Zakk hit
the jackpot with ozzy, what did Alex hit? The damn Lotto twice i say! :)

It=B4s a matter of perseverance i say....and faith and hope too....

Mauricio


At 09:28 AM 14/12/98 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Just a remark to support Bafu's theory. Zakk Wylde did=20
>work on a gas station before he hit the jackpot with Ozzy=20
>audition. And I'm sure you'll agree he's OK :)
>
>Matej
>Slovenian jammer
>
>NP: Different Stages : Analog Kid
>
>


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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:27:48 -0500
From: email_address_removed (Jeffrey Falk)
To: email_address_removed
Message-ID: <v01540b00b29b74974214@[168.122.10.79]>


>> and i guess i'm just wondering how the song was
>> performed live, if ever, by Savatage.....
>
>Interesting question..... I wish I knew the answer!
>Anybody?
        If you don't mind me answering (or even if you do), I think I
remember reading a review of a Savatage concert around the release of _Dead
Winter Dead_ that described the show opening with the recording of the
song.  Partway through the song, Jeff Plate (drummer) would start playing
along with the recording, and gradually, the rest of the band would join
in.  This might have been a different song, but I believe it was "Christmas
Eve/Sarajevo (12-24)."  Unfortunately, Savatage is one of those bands that
I've wanted to see live for awhile and have consistently missed several
opportunities to do so.

>4.  Union - Self-titled (ACK!  A non-prog band!!  For shame, Webmistress!!
>FOR SHAME!)
        What's especially shameful is that this is also one of my favorite
albums of this year (and it can't be that good if I like it, ha ha ha).
While it's definitely not Prog with a capital P, "Let it Flow" (track six,
I believe) is damn close.  The whole album is well-crafted and skillfuly
played to say the least.  The drumming is as tight as . . . well, I'd
better not finish that sentence.  The guitar-playing (by former Ki$$
guitarist Bruce Kulick) rips as well.
        Since I've already gotten two responses to my last submission (and
I thought nobody paid any attention to me), I'll share it with everybody.
According to Mr. Portnoy, the new addition to "Metropolis Part I" is . . .
(I like being able to create suspense) . . .
        . . . the original middle section of "The Way it Used to Be."  This
was apparently removed from the song right before the band recorded the
version that appears on the "Hollow Years" single.
        I have found another important piece of the Dream Theater live
performance puzzle.  I thought this was one area where it was not
necessarily better to save the mystery.  However, I find it hard to believe
no one knew this until I annoyed both Mike Portnoy and Derek Sherinian with
private e-mail.  I kind of hope no one did, though, because I would hate to
have inconvenienced them for nothing.

Jeff Falk
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:41:53 +0200
From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: James's voice AND pointless replies
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.ee>



]From me:

>> Seriously, the live album doesn't do him justice. The video, however, 
>> does.

]From: "Simon John  Dodd" <email_address_removed.ac.uk>

> Okay, I agree, James has got one of the best voices I've ever heard, but
> you've got to admit it...Some of the vocal mannerisms he comes up with

Well... And now I want you to show me how what you said was related to 
what I was talking about "5 Years In A Livetime" and James's performance 
on it.


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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:22:01 -0000
From: "Computer Jim DTFOTL" <email_address_removed>
To: <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: Mike Portnoy website....
Message-ID: <000101be27d4$ffc98720$63b533d1@i9web>



-----Original Message-----
>How do I subscribe again?
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Email email_address_removed and put SUBSCRIBE as the subject...
If you dont do it right, I'll see that you tried to subscribe... And will be
able to take care of it accordingly.

Thanks, and best to you and your family this holiday season...
Jim



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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:53:24 EST
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Need some bands info...
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


If you don't know about Spinal Tap, go to your local video store, look in
either the comedy section or musicals (Blockbuster has it there) and rent
"This Is SPINAL TAP".  You've seen the band members in lots of other movies
and shows before (Michael McKean - "David St. Hubbins" was in Airheads, on
Dream On, and recently on the X-Files).

Enjoy!

Sean
www.mftt.com    -  The Official Website Of MONEY FOR THE TOLL

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:05:59 -0700
From: "Geoffrey Simmons" <email_address_removed>
To: <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: Digest 4502 and many before....
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Now I don't want to ruffle any feathers, but can't we please all just get
along in hear? (ooh, a pun...) Is anyone else getting burned out on all the
yakkety shmakkety on gas station attendants, string guages, action, etc.? 

Oh and, BTW...I have perfect pitch, and I wasn't a music major! :oP

-Geoffrey

"...we exist in a world where the fear of illusion is real..."


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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:44:06 GMT
From: "Simon John  Dodd" <email_address_removed.ac.uk>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Err...Hang on, Dave
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.ac.uk>


>]From Si...
>>Okay, I agree, James has got one of the best voices I've ever heard, 
>>but you've got to admit it...Some of the vocal mannerisms he comes 
>>up with live are a little...how shall we say, over the top, perhaps? 
>>The "I think it's time for a ch-a-a-aange" line in Take The Time on OIaL 
>>made me bust something! That among others.

>Ok I think we've overdone the KJLB bashing for a bit, it's not just 
>this post but a great number of them recently.  The guy is great live, 

   Not to get arsey or anything, 'cos I agree with you Dave: James 
gets a rough ride for having a fab voice ( I challenge any Jammers 
slagging him to name a "better", or ceartainly more versatile, 
singer ). Which is precisely what I actually said; so why are you citing 
me as an example of KJLB Bashing Inc.?

Si


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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:39:20 +0100
From: CyberDuke <email_address_removed.mk>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: __ .. _ __
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.mk>


> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:23:10 PST
> From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <email_address_removed>
> 
> ice skating?

Ya mean like "Skating away on a thin ice"?
(c) Jethro Tull
 
> oh well

Oh well's cool too!
(c) Fleetwood Mac

DTC: Another day has just passed
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:14:26 -0100
From: Markus Tenberge <email_address_removed.de>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Extreme list wanted, NDTC!
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Hi all,

I'm looking for a audio recording of the Extreme Show performing Queen songs
while the live aid concert in 19..?? in Great Britain. Does anybody of you
guys have a recording of this or at least know a mailing list / message
board where I can perhaps find it? 

Please e-mail me privately. And sorry for the non DT relating subject.

Thanks in advance.

Markus


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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:15:40 +0100
From: CyberDuke <email_address_removed.mk>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Magna Carta news...
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.mk>


> Simon's recording and performing credits include: Jack Bruce, Jeff
> Beck, Pete Townshend, Mick Jagger, Mike Oldfield, John Wetton, Frank 
> Zappa, Peter Gabriel, Judas Priest, Toto and Joe Satriani.

Wow, wow, wow!!!!! What is this? Does this foplks PLAY on the album???
How can Zappa play on it? Otherwise the namelist is really awesome!
Woohoo!
-- 

CyberDuke
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:08:02 -0500
From: Josh Brand <email_address_removed>
To: Ytsejam <email_address_removed>
Subject: Pink Floyd Radio, Opeth, et cetera...
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Howdy 'jammers. I remember a while back there was some talk of a
RealAudio station that playerd all Floyd all the time, as well as a Rush
one. Anyone got any info on this? It'd be nice to have something to
listen to in the lab besides ytseradio :)

	Second, I keep hearing Opeth thrown around on this list, mostly from
Roger's direction. Can anyone (including you, Mr. Brito) fill me in on
what Opeth is about? Or where I could hear some (I.E. MP3S or various
other samples floating around on the grey-market 'net)? Any help is
appreciated...

	As for this big flap over hearing music coming from Bafu and Madsman's
corners, I think you (and everyone else involved, I don't mean to limit
my scorn) are caring just a little too much. My mom is tone deaf; I can
sing along with damn good accuracy to just about anything within my
range. So hey, some people have a knack for pitch, others don't. Just
admit it and let this go, or I might be forced to start posting all
sorts of songs I wrote for the seven-string guitar using big twelfth
note runs in 16/24 time...

Peace and a happy holidays to all on the 'jam, even those who don't
believe in holidays. You folks just have a merry couple of weeks.

					Josh
-- 
"Apu, if it'll make you feel any better, I've learned that life is one
 crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead!"
				-- Homer Simpson

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:36:08 +1100
From: Nick Storr <email_address_removed.au>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4502
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.au>


At 09:58  14/12/98 -0800, you wrote:
>> Unlike LaTM, Labrie IS NOT OVERDUBBED on OiaL.
>
>"Live At The Marquee" is vocally overdubbed? When was this discovered? I
>haven't listened to it in a few months, but should I bust out the disc and
>start paying attention? It didn't hit me like the tracks on "A Change of
>Seasons" did as being an overdubbed performance...

Hmmm.... This is my first post for a LOOONG time... and I'm gonna say
something nasty....

If the vocals on LATM were overdubbed.... how come they aren't better?

Now I'm in trouble...  :)

Nick

Nick Storr
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members.easyspace.com/honour

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:53:48 PST
From: "Dream Theater" <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


I'm not exactly sure which part you're talking about until I listen to 
it again and listen for it, but yes I would like to know.

Mike

----Original Message Follows----
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:04:08 -0800 (PST)
Reply-To: email_address_removed
]From: email_address_removed (Jeffrey Falk)
To: Multiple recipients of list <email_address_removed>


        If anyone besides me has been wondering exactly what it is that
Dream Theater has been playing regularly in the middle of "Metropolis 
Part
I" for awhile now and still does not know, I recently received the 
answer
from the Soy Bomber himself.  (Thank you again, Mr. Portnoy.)  I'm
referring to the section that appears around six minutes into the track 
on
_Once in a Livetime_.  Anyone interested can let me know.

Jeff Falk
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:53:22 -0500
From: "Emerson, Michael J." <email_address_removed>
To: Under A Glass Ytse <email_address_removed>
Subject: DTIFC
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


greetings, all!

i was just wondering...i don't recall this being mentioned (or if it
was, i must've overlooked it...), but does anyone know if there's going
to be a DTIFC Christmas CD this year and, if so, what the content is
going to be?

thanks, and have a good holiday!


mikE
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In all the empty places where you must walk..."


"Into the morning sun /
Down his chosen road, he rides to save the world /
Cross of crimson, robe of white / 
Sworn to the quest for the rest of his life..."
Symphony X - "The Accolade"


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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:28:02 -0700
From: David Dixon <email_address_removed>
To: "'email_address_removed'" <email_address_removed>
Subject: Different Stages goes Gold
Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C960564980912E@messaging>


I got this from Atlantic Records this morning (just thought you might like
to know)...

<<<<"DIFFERENT STAGES," the all-new multi-disc live collection from Rush,
has been certified gold by the RIAA for U.S. sales in excess of 500,000
units.  With this, their 22nd gold album certification, the Canadian trio is
now fourth among groups on the RIAA's all-time gold certification list, a
tally topped only by the Beatles (38), the Rolling Stones (37), and Kiss
(23).  The feat is especially notable in that it also extends Rush's
consecutive gold certification streak to 22, which represents their entire
catalog.  "DIFFERENT STAGES" and debuted on the Billboard 200 at #35, with a
bullet!!  Get the inside scoop on the making of "DIFFERENT STAGES," and
much, much more -- check out the exclusive Rush FANCAST in the DigitalArena
on the Atlantic web site.  For this very special online event, Rush members
Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson stopped by our Digital Arena Studio in New York
City and answered online fans' questions in an interactive interview
moderated by renowned music journali!
st Lisa Robison.  This is a rare, in-depth look at these living legends --
an event that any fan of the band, or any fan of rock & roll for that
matter, does not want to miss! 

http://www.atlantic-records.com/rush>>>>


David Dixon, MCP
Internet Developer
Integrated Information Systems, Inc.
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:06:01 -0500
From: Joe DeAngelo <email_address_removed>
To: YTSEJAM <email_address_removed>
Subject: Overdubs on LatM?
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


I wrote:
> > Unlike LaTM, Labrie IS NOT OVERDUBBED on OiaL.

Bafu Vai responded:
> "Live At The Marquee" is vocally overdubbed? When was this discovered? 

Well, I'm honestly not positive about that.... but that's what I've
heard (on the Jam, I think).
Can somebody shed a bit of light on this please?

-- 

Magellan
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:37:53 -0700
From: "Michael Patrick" <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: TSO Jr. ???
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


All this talk of TSO lately and I'm sitting here listening to SG's 'Tyranny' and thinking, 'Is 'Christmas Day' their 'Seryevo 12/24'?'  After all it'd be a great way for SG to gain more exposure, etc. by cooking up their own X-mas album...Hmm...

And, hey, what's the deal with the never-ending Korn slagging?  I know nothing about them other than their message is targeted towards pissed-off, upper-middle class white kids who hate Mom and Dad and have way too much time on their hands, and sure, calling either guitar player a guitarist is pushing it, but is it me, or do the bass player and drummer rock?

Edwin Drood  


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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:08:42 PST
From: "appoggiatura !" <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: LATM...<gasp> overdubs??
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Hey jammers....
	I would like to say that I, for one, do NOT believe that LATM is 
vocally dubbed.  I have a boot from that tour and James sounds just as 
good as he does on LATM.

Hopelessly stuck in a world of blah!

POJ =o|

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:11:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Al Balkiewicz <email_address_removed>
To: Multiple recipients of list <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: TSO Jr. ???
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Michael Patrick wrote:

> 
> 
> And, hey, what's the deal with the never-ending Korn slagging?  I know 
nothing about them other than their message is targeted 
towards pissed-off, upper-middle class white kids 
who hate Mom and Dad and have way too much 
time on their hands, and sure, calling either 
guitar player a guitarist is pushing it, but is it me, 
or do the bass player and drummer rock?
> 

	Maybe it's just me, and it probably is, but I happen to like them
	if I'm in an intense sort of mood.  A lot of their stuff,
particularly on their first two albums is pretty good, if you can get by
the vocals.  the guitarists are definitely not shredders, but they fit
with the aggressive dischordant style they have.  The drummer definitely
does rock (Track 5 on the second album should attest to that), though he's
not a virtuoso on the drums or anything, he has some good chops.

Anyway, enough of the NDTC.

I'll see some of ya at the Birch Hill show later this month.....Fantazia
anyone?  :)


						-Al


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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 16:44:26 -0500
From: Adam Pye <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: LaBrie
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


>etc.  And singers are especially up against it.  I can honestly say
>though, that I find KJLB's performance on the CD(s) and Video most
>satisfactory....

I'm glad to see a few folks defending James on OIAL.  I do have to say that
anyone who says James is finished or "going downhill" knows absolutely
nothing about Dream Theater's live history.  I'm no expert, either, but the
60 DT shows I own gets me a little better perspective than those that base
their opinions simply on LatM, OIAL and (oh jeezus) the gruesome Tokyo PPV
show.  

Someone mentioned that many Jammers are coming back from DT shows saying
that's the best they've ever heard James live, and they'd be correct.
James is FAR more controlled and consistant this tour than in the past.  On
I&W and, to some extent, the Awake shows, James tended to go insane on some
songs (UAGM and TLF are great examples from the I&W tour) which adversely
affected his overall performance.  These days he doesn't scream "bear this
honor in my NAAAAAAAME" anymore (thankfully) but instead tempers the
performance a bit so he can be more consistant throughout the show (and the
entire tour, for that matter).

James has by FAR the most difficult job when DT is on tour.  You can hear
when a guitarist/drummer/etc is having a bad day or doesn't feel well - but
only if you know what to listen for.  A vocalist, on the other hand, has no
way of hiding a sore throat or a tight neck or any other type of problem.
I once pulled a muscle in my neck the day of a gig and couldn't sing for
shit because any tension whatsoever caused a shooting pain.  My drummer had
the beginnings of what became pneumonia <sp?> during the same gig and was
god-awful, but no one noticed because I was having so much trouble.  

Folks also compare him to the likes of Geoff Tate, etc.  You've gotta look
at the whole picture when doing this, and most people don't.  First, Tate
has the benefit of being able to rely on superb backing vocals.  In many
places DeGarmo (used to) sing the highest parts while Tate stayed some
interval down.  James doesn't have that luxury (though Portnoy is getting
much better at this kinda stuff).  Also, even when Empire was a huge hit,
Queensryche never had the extensive touring schedule that DT has had these
past few years.  To compare the live performances of someone, say, on the
pittiful QR Hear in the Now Frontier tour to James after 50 shows in three
months is ludicrous.  

I just urge people to give James a break.  It's a tough job and he does it
very professionally.

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