YTSEJAM Digest 4494 Today's Topics: 1) Re: LaBrie's voice by "Graham Boyle" 2) LaBrie's voice by "Raivo Hool" 3) Liquid Tension Latest by Nikki.Brooks@taywood.co.uk 4) Legenda by "Neil Gallop" 5) Re: Mike Portnoy website.... by "Computer Jim DTFOTL" 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4492 by Chris Groves 7) John Williams by "Jason Birzer" 8) John Williams and JLB by Dave Ware 9) Re: ytsejam.wav? by "Computer Jim DTFOTL" 10) Re: LaBrie's voice by "Computer Jim DTFOTL" 11) Superior QUIZ!!! NOW GO!!! :) by Bernd Basmer 12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4493 by "Christopher Ptacek" 13) Jaxx Show by "Chris Milne" 14) This is not reality, isn't it? by Jon Parmet 15) TSO on Conan by email_address_removed 16) Re: 7string by ear by Manuel 17) the new pantera song by "Schnipp -" 18) DONT SKIP!! (NDTC) by "Robert Newcomb" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:33:03 +1100 From: "Graham Boyle" To: Subject: Re: LaBrie's voice Message-ID: <005101be24e0$df4a1100$266716cb@graham> >I only recently received my copy of OiaLT (yes I'm from Indonesia the land >or progressive desolation), and I finally understood why people on the jam >spend so much bandwidth discussing the quality of LaBrie's singing. After >listening to the disc (my desk was the noisiest in the office today !) I >have to agree to the flamers. LaBrie's sounds worse than LaTM, in other >words the man's going downhill. The gap between recorded and live version is >too far to be unnoticed. I can't help comparing him to my favorite >vocalists, Bruce Dickinson (on Live After Death) and Michael Kiske (on Live >in The UK). Well I hate to tell you this, but Kiske re did ALL of the vocals of the 'Live In The UK' album again in the studio. GaZ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:12:34 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" To: email_address_removed Subject: LaBrie's voice Message-ID: > From: "Sigit Prabowo" > office today !) I have to agree to the flamers. LaBrie's sounds worse than > LaTM, in other words the man's going downhill. The gap between recorded > and live version is too far to be unnoticed. I can't help comparing him to Well... Get "5 Years In A Livetime". Prepare to be blown away by the sheer excellency of James's voice. In a live situation. Yes, I thought you saw it coming. A heart attack. :-) Seriously, the live album doesn't do him justice. The video, however, does. I just watched it yester-evening and even those in our small, wine- influenced home audience who didn't initially like the band because of James's overly operatic voice, were blown away at the end. ========================================================================= Raivo Hool kontor raitz@estcard.ee ICQ 19980975 isiklik raitz@ircnet.ee Windows NT administraator istuv (+372) 6 711 450 Pankade Kaardikeskus liikuv (+372) 51 43 567 ========================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:30:22 +0000 From: Nikki.Brooks@taywood.co.uk To: email_address_removed Subject: Liquid Tension Latest Message-ID: <48A60310@MHS> Extract from Tony Levin's website http://www.papabear.com/tlev.htm Now, (Thurs morning) it'll be off in different directions for each of us. Chris Botti's moving to L.A, so the former New Yorker will fly there instead of back East with David and me. Bill will head to London and prepare to come back to the States in January with his Earthworks band for a tour in the West. David's got some film scoring to do, and I'll enjoy a little break, practice for some upcoming Liquid Tension shows, and try to sort out getting my book into some stores! Though I may not be updating daily for a while, it won't be long till there's some more interesting stuff to share. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:27:16 +0100 From: "Neil Gallop" To: Subject: Legenda Message-ID: <000501be24f0$d2f89510$message_id_removed.de> Hi all yesterday saw me spending more of my hard-earned cash with my CD dealer. LEGENDA - Eclipse Does anybody else out there like Samael, Summoning and well produced, quality mid-tempo black metal? Well go and get a listen to this album a.s.a.p. This album is certainly black metal, but has a wide variety of tempos, not just the standard 5000 bpm with scrubbing guitars. The vocal parts sound they were done by a randy Rottweiler on Viagra, and the lyrics are totally incomprehensible, but that's what black metal is about, isn't it? Some very nice riffs are supported by some very atmospheric and melodic keyboards. The drums sound like they are both real and drum machine. What makes this album outstanding is the variety of tracks and styles is contains while still being very clearly black. Perhaps my initial impression of Samael meets Summoning is the best description. Well worth checking out. And like most recent releases by Holy Records, the art work and digi pack are superb. Why do most members of black bands have stupid fucking names? 9/10. So far 24 jammers have sent their top 5 lists for 98 to me. I know some of you are having problems choosing just 5 albums (I know I am), but I think a few more votes could be forthcoming. Send your lists to me directly, not to the ytsejam. Snow sucks. stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: Candlemass - As It Is, As It Was ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:47:54 -0000 From: "Computer Jim DTFOTL" To: Subject: Re: Mike Portnoy website.... Message-ID: <000201be24c8$40656ac0$69b533d1@i9web> >A Mike Portnoy website or mailing list? egroups hosts mailing lists, It is both a website and a mailing list, if you join the list you'll be updated on changes about the site, and will be able to find discussion about mike portnoy's projects etc, etc, etc. Yes, eGroups hosts mailing lists. from www.eGroups.com you can read the list, send and recieve messages, or you can do it via email. Thanks Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:37:26 +1000 From: Chris Groves To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4492 Message-ID: > 12) John Williams > by "Jason Birzer" >I think that is John Williams the classical guitarist, not John Williams the >composer. Unh............ same guy again. :) Hehehe. JOhn Williams is a great film composer, but my personal hearty recommendations are Ennio Morricone and Jerry Van Rooyen (although he only ever did about 4 films. :-( ). Oh! Peter Thomas, too! :) Seeya! Chris Groves. email_address_removed.au "And you hate me.... because of my lazy eye" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:32:31 -0500 From: "Jason Birzer" To: "The Jam" Subject: John Williams Message-ID: <000b01be250a$b4482440$message_id_removed> >John Williams - born Melbourne, Austarlia 1941. Studied guitar at the >master Segovia (Gee I didn't know that :) Yep, sounds like him. Great classical guitarist. I have a couple of his cds... Found his bio here... http://www.sonyclassical.com/artists/williams_guitar_bio.htm >He plays in more movies, one of them being the legendary "The >Deerhunter"! Didn't know this.... >Are you talking about SKY album? Well, there are 2, 3 I think! The "SKY >3" album is double (I have the LP) and it's best IMO! Other 2 are great >too, but I did my "best of" tape! Seriously, great band to check out, i>t's definitelly new approach to music, classical music. If classical >music is boring to you SKY are great starter! :) They play the famous >(horror :) Bach Toccata in a most unique way! :) Best cover of it! >Forget that lousy Vanessa Mae version, this one is rockin' the house >babe! :) Yeah, I mentioned John Williams to a friend of mine who is a collector of strange and unsusal music and he mentioned SKY to me. Maybe I should put it on my long list... :^) Jason Birzer "The Longshot" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:28:04 -0600 From: Dave Ware To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: John Williams and JLB Message-ID: Hey, Cyberduke wrote: >The UK jammer who's still stucked in Alabama said: >> Yeah he's the same guy, guitar player, and their stuff was awsome >> (what I heard of it anyway). Good drummer too as I recall. > >Drummer??? Can it be you're wrong? Yeah, my bad (as they say state side) I meant to say that the Drummer in Sky was very good (not that JW is a drummer as well) but that's the problem with email, you type something wrong and click the send button and you look (sound?) stupid. then Sigit wrote: >LaBrie's sounds worse than LaTM, in other >words the man's going downhill. The gap between recorded and live version is >too far to be unnoticed. I can't help comparing him to my favorite >vocalists, Bruce Dickinson (on Live After Death) and Michael Kiske (on Live >in The UK). Er... in other words LATM isn't live vocal and I have some doubts about Live After Death as well (check out Bruce in the sequenced backing vocals - that's so annoying). Studio post production is a wonderfull thing but it can be over-done, now the joy of OIAL (with the possible exception of the backing vox - MP can you confirm or deny this please), is that what you hear is the real thing, that is DT live, and I think its great - JLB does a great job and is still one of the top singists in the rock biz. Blahblahblah, Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 05:45:04 -0000 From: "Computer Jim DTFOTL" To: Subject: Re: ytsejam.wav? Message-ID: <003401be24e9$47f0dce0$69b533d1@i9web> >I was wondering if anyone had plain ol' ytsejam recorded to a .wav? I'm trying If you plan on using it for a YOU'VE GOT MAIL wav, then let me know the time in M:SS in to the song that you want. a FULL recording would be QUITE long... And VERY LARGE... To get it across a modem at decent quality would take a rather annoying amount of time... But i'd gladly do it if you tell me what parts you want. -Jimbo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 05:49:22 -0000 From: "Computer Jim DTFOTL" To: Subject: Re: LaBrie's voice Message-ID: <003501be24e9$515ecda0$69b533d1@i9web> >words the man's going downhill. The gap between recorded and live version is Well.. You see.. There's this style of music that can really get your adreaniline (sp) going... ANd if you listen to the crowd going in the background, plus with the way the music sounds, you can get that rush just by listening to it ... Try singing in a chorus, then sing ina p-metal band... BIG DIFFERENCE.... I have an import CD from Brussels, Belgium, and well... he sounds DAMN GOOD! Also, when recording in a studio, you can perfectly mix every part for every song... That's not an easy task to do on stage.... If you were playing in another country, and had an audience of 10,000 people screaming and singing in front ofyou, I think that you, too would have a hard time "keeping your cool" Best, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:09:36 +0100 From: Bernd Basmer To: email_address_removed Subject: Superior QUIZ!!! NOW GO!!! :) Message-ID: Hoi! OK! Now it's working! :)) I think I post the whole thing again... :) I know... this should be a DT quiz here... but I didn't get free CD's from them so I had to take ours... :)))) We started a quiz where you can win signed Younique CD's or T-shirts! Have a look at http://www.fine.de/superior/quiz.html Hint: If you have difficulties with the answers, have a look at the newsletters at http://www.fine.de or http://www.truemetal.org/superior Also I have updated our official homepage again and added a message board and a guestbook... (http://www.truemetal.org/superior) That's all... Bye Bernd ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bernd Basmer Guitar - Superior For info about Superior have a look at: http://www.fine.de/superior http://www.truemetal.org/superior http://www.noiserecords.com/superior ------------------------------------------------------------------------ If you're good, you solve your problems. If you're better you have none. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:58:02 -0600 From: "Christopher Ptacek" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4493 Message-ID: <000601be251f$09a6e8e0$message_id_removed> >From: Stephen Dedalus >Subject: 7 strings by ear. >Hey, > I don't know if I agree with Mads on this one. I think you can tell >the gage of a string by listening to it. No matter if you have maximum >crunch or not, some chords just ring differently. An a power chord in >first/second position sounds a heluva lot different than one at 5th >position or 12th. I made this point myself. However, I understand that you're probably not going to mistake a 6 string tuned normally with a 7 string. But if you take a band like Sevendust that tunes the guitars down to the range of 7 strings, you would probably think it was a 7 string. The strings don't have to be floppy or have non-7 string characteristics. If you or anyone else want to debate this further, we can beet on IRC, and I'll make some mp3s of bands that are tuned down and bands that use 7 strings. I don't believe that you or Bafu could nail em all without having heard of the band before or without knowing about the artist. As I said, we can only make guesses, until we have info. >The a just rings differently. Mads, you even made the >comment to me that you tended to keep your solowing above the 5th fret >because the notes sound better there. Yes, but you can play a low B on a 6 string guitar tuned down, in the same spot, with the same tension as a 7 string. If both notes are in open position, how then would you know which is which? >From: email_address_removed >> very ambiguous as to 7 string usage.>> > While most if this is true, Sevendust plays 6-strings tuned down to drop-d >down 1.5 steps. B,F#,B,E,G#, C#. And while you on the subject don't forget >Fear Factory, Limp Bizkit, and Morbid Angel play 7 strings. Um, yeah, I know. :) That's why I said ambiguous. Because you would think when you hear it that it's 7 string, even though it's not. Morbid Angel is an EXCELLENT example, because they do use both 6 and 7 strings, and across their albums it's hard to tell where it's tuned down and where it's just 7. I have a Morbid Angel freak friend who plays a 6 string strung like the bottom 6 strings of a 7 string, and the strings are as taut as those on my 7 string. Anyone wanting to continue this discussion, let's take it private unless it's a popular topic. It doesn't seem to be a very inclusive discussion. :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:22:13 -0500 From: "Chris Milne" To: Subject: Jaxx Show Message-ID: <000301be2522$692f0ec0$message_id_removed> Anyone here any other news about the Jaxx show scheduled for Dec 30th on there web site? According to the official tour info, they are playing in New York that night. chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:28:08 +0000 From: Jon Parmet To: email_address_removed Subject: This is not reality, isn't it? Message-ID: >Bill Hicks "it's no wonder we're fucked up as a race". Give me reality >any day. I'd love to but it's a moving target :) There's a book by Carlos Castenada called "A Separate Reality" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "This Job would rule if it weren't for the f*$king customers!" > Randall in "Clerks" That move was an interesting reality. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Saw Jon Finn last night out in the middle of nowhere. Think "Deliverance" people :) Think homies drifting in and out to see if they might break into Quotes of the evening: early in the evening: "If anyone requests "Freebird", I will personally come out there and kick your ass" around 11:45pm: "We only have time for about one more tune" around an hour and 8 tunes later : "Ok, now we *really* only have time for one more tune" It became rather obvious that this was not a place to be playing just progressive music, let alone progressive fusion. They tried several times, though. It was an interesting sociological experiment watching the faces of people as he ripped about 30 seconds from one of the tunes off his latest disc. There's a 1 minute post gap on the disc where Jon screams what appears to be "Jess!" and then they rip into some sort of completely whacked jazz, perhaps in freetime? You know that shiz I'm talking about where it sounds like the jazz equivalent of a sympony orchestra before the show where everyone is tuning up and all playing something completely different? :) A great live band doing a club gig posesses the ability to cater to the audience. They did. Through all of it, he still refused to sacrifice the almighty shred, though :) Dave DiCenso wasn't on drums last night :(, but one Larry Finn filled in nicely (read plenty of chops). He's not related to Jon, but he is on the faculty also. Speaking with the keyboardist during one of Jon's tender acoustic solo moments, and he indicated that it is possible that Rod Morgenstein might play at one or more of the upcoming gigs. Oh yeah...be afraid! There's a few jammers in the DC/VA area, I believe coughcoughcoughdivisionguitaristcoughcough. For those without access to his web page or for those with, but who refuse to obey me :), he's playing in Virginia: "Sat., Jan 23 Shenandoah Univerisity (Armstrong Hall) Winchester, VA 4:00 Clinic 8:00 concert" Need some ear candy, first? Check out a sample of something in 15/16 at: http://jonfinn.com/timbuktu28.ra Regards, Jon Deep Thought: Why is it that most people who are placed in straighjacket are usually higher than a kite? -- *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | email_address_removed | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------* ech`echo xiun|tr nu oc|sed 'sx\([sx]\)\([xoi]\)xo un\2\1 is xg'`ol ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:46:20 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: TSO on Conan Message-ID: Hey Everyone, I just wanted to let everyone know that Trans-Siberian-Orchestra will be on Conan O'Brian tonight. Later, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:13:24 +0100 From: Manuel To: ytsejam Subject: Re: 7string by ear Message-ID: hell this one got me!! where are the times when people could even tell if it's a 62 or 74 strat and a jcm900 or jcm800??? i mean not hearing the difference of chords in different positions almost disqualifies anyone as a musician. sorry, my opinion. maybe it's because people have stopped 'listening'. Dryheat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:11:55 PST From: "Schnipp -" To: email_address_removed Subject: the new pantera song Message-ID: hi all, I heard on the radio (besides Pull me under live) that Pantera released only this one Sabbath cover tune. It's just for promoting their upcoming tour, where they will be opening act for Sabbath. bye schnipp ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:00:54 -0600 From: "Robert Newcomb" To: Subject: DONT SKIP!! (NDTC) Message-ID: I know this has nothing to do with the 'jam, Prog-music, but I found it serious enough to write. Congress is trying to pass an Act that will let phone companies charge you for a long distance call for every time you log on to the net. Please contact your Congressmen and bitch like hell about this! Sorry for the total lack of DT content. Thorin ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4494 **************************