YTSEJAM Digest 4458 Today's Topics: 1) Drummers / FlexAble by CyberDuke 2) Prog keyboard help by "Brandon Vaughn" 3) re: :) by "Isaac Trumbo" 4) Bedtime for little kiddies by "TSM" 5) Oops!! by "Nicolas M. Rincon" 6) Leger de Main - The Concept of Our Reality by "=?iso-8859-1?q?R=D6NNQVIST,?= GREGER" 7) re: friends death by "Test" 8) Yes - Angkor Wat by Brian Hansen 9) Happy GobbleDaY! by email_address_removed 10) Happy GobbleDaY! by email_address_removed 11) Cynic/Echosilence by Rogerio Brito 12) Re: Therion etc. by Rogerio Brito 13) =?ISO-8859-1?Q?gg=3A_Fwd=3A__The_Clich=E9s_of_Progressive_R?= by Rogerio Brito ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:45:21 +0100 From: CyberDuke To: email_address_removed Subject: Drummers / FlexAble Message-ID: > Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:40:09 +0100 > From: "Dennis Leeflang" > Subject: Re: Drummers...? Huh > > CyberDuke wrote: <<>> > > ...... Thanks.... > > D. Not you damn it! :))) > Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:47:06 -0200 > From: "Rafael L.R. Carnovale" > Subject: new steve vai > > I heard something about. It's the re-release of Steve's 1st. album, > Flexable. It's called Flexable Leftovers. But i don't know if will > this come with new tracks.... Well according the title it's obvious that the new tracks will be The Leftovers (4 songs I think) :) Does anyone knows what will be the prize of this a-la Zappa piece of art?!? > From: "Chris Stearns" > Subject: Phil Collins > > Genesis, Brand X not exactly a comparison is it. Two very different bands. I was reffering to Phil drumming. And about THAT, Brand X is pretty good comparison. > From: "Rahul Ananda" > > As far as Phil goes, he does some pretty challenging > figures on Nuclear Burn by Brand X) There, I knew I was right! ;) > After all, Genesis and Brand X are not NEARLY as > busy note-wise as DT. Errr...well now, I don't know what Brand X stuff you heard, but I have all and I think they're pretty busy note-wise. Maybe not to the extent of Metropolis solo but... who says that's the established definition of busy note-wise stuff anyway? And it's not the point to measure WHO's doing more notes and rhythm changes per second. Whatever, "Nuclear Burns" or "Disco Suicide" are 2 awesome songs, at it will remain as such even if someone beat Mr. Portnoy or Petrucci in busy note-wise stuff! :) > "Impressing" doesn't necessarily mean "technically impressing." > John Bonham was an impressive drummer...but hardly the technically > impressing type Agreed! Woohoo, Moby Dick rules!!! :) Ancient Zep fan CyberDuke _______________________________________________________ Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail email_address_removed.mk ICQ# 17392722 _______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:24:54 -0600 From: "Brandon Vaughn" To: Subject: Prog keyboard help Message-ID: <006b01be18c2$6e3f0b20$27c72fd8@brandon> I have a Kurzweil K2000 keyboard and trying to get the best "prog" sounds for it. I already have the B3 and Mellotron sounds. But I was wondering if any keyboardists on the list can help me figure out how to get the "Korg" type Kevin Moore and Derek type sounds. Anybody know any good CD-Roms? Also, I have a bunch of Kurzweil CDs, and a few Akai CDs. If anyone is interested, I would love to hear from keyboard players interested in trading sounds, patches, and CDs. Please email me at email_address_removed and I'll send you a list of what I have. Thanks for any advice, Brandon Vaughn email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:32:30 PST From: "Isaac Trumbo" To: email_address_removed Subject: re: :) Message-ID: icq queen, I gotta tell ya, you're the first person ever to assosiate "Inferno" with Dante, which was my inspiration for the handle back when i read it in the 8th grade!!!.. very intuitive of you... everyone else just thinks i play doom to much :).. >Feetal's Gizz! I did forget ItWoP. Red I haven't heard. BTW funny >that you chose Inferno as your nickname. I just started reading it. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 00:59:46 +0200 From: "TSM" To: Subject: Bedtime for little kiddies Message-ID: Last one today. Promise. Brian Hansen: > Yes we can! You WILL vote for Russel Allen as best vocalist! ;o) And Tre Cool as best drummer! Dennis "Chuck" Leeflang: >Stop being so childish, people.... Let's take each other a bit more >seriously ok? I say let's not. People who take themselves seriously are often boring and sometimes dangerous. Note: This doesn't mean I'm encouraging you to be rude to each other or hurt someone intentionally. >I was just wondering..... It seems that every time I post a reaction to >someone else's post, I always start a discussion.... As it should be. Rejoice. James LaBrie: >"AWWIGHT PEEPOOOH! LET'S SEE THOSE HANDS IN THE AIR! YOU'RE FIGHTING THE >WEIGHT OF THE WORLD, and no one can save you this time, COME OWN! Close >your eyes COME OUN and you'll COME OUN find COME OUN all you need in your >mieeeeeeend COME OUN!" LOL! I had completely forgotten how amusing rock singers can be! Wackie: >Happy Turkey Day everybody! And remember what this holiday stands for. >Peace, love, and good happiness stuff all propetuated by the acceptance of >corn seeds and harmony between the prog bands and the korn bands back in >1754 and a half. Nah. You know it's just greasy kids stuff. Hmmm. I was quite pleasantly suprised when I found out that at least three people on 'Jam have heard about Hedningarna. Not a bad ratio considering that there are only thousands of people on the list. Now it's time to go to bed. I have a Swedish test tomorrow that I will fail because I've been writing messages all day. Because of you, that is. YOU PEOPLE DRIVE ME CRAZY! I BLAME THE SOCIETY! Bye ------------ tonimaki@dlc.fi --------------- | There are three kinds of people; | | Those who can count and those who can't. | -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:58:39 From: "Nicolas M. Rincon" To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed Subject: Oops!! Message-ID: Oh!, I forgot to make a simply tribute to one of the best singers in the history: FREDDIE MERCURY. Yeah, i know that yesterday was THE day to make it, but better make it, before forgive it. That's all... and like Shadow Gallery says: 'long live Freddie Mercury'. Nico. \\\|/// \\ - - // ( @ @ ) +-----------oOOo-(_)-oOOo-----------+ | Nicolas M. Rincon | | e-mail: email_address_removed | | ICQ: 11862235 Nick: Tabo | | Santa Fe, Argentina | | "Seize the day..." | | Check: http://www.raweb.com/colon | +---------------------Oooo----------+ oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 00:22 +0100 From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?R=D6NNQVIST,?= GREGER" To: email_address_removed Subject: Leger de Main - The Concept of Our Reality Message-ID: --- Inkommet fr=E5n INFODATA.SVA0193 +46 670 160 60 98-11-26 00.22 LEGER DE MAIN - The Concept of Our Reality USA Rating: * * * * * 1995 PMM PMM-0100 Total Time: 45:08 To Live The Truth 8:28 Crystal Fortune 5:45 Immobile Time 4:02 Enter quietly 19:50 Distorted Pictures 7:01 Brett Rodler (drums), Chris Rodler (guitar, bass, keys) and Melissa Blair (vocals) This is the debut CD from ex-Drama members Chris and Brett Rodler, together with the excellent female vocalist Melissa Blair. Chris and Brett are doing the music while Melissa is writing the lyrics. This is highly technical progressive rock/metal that certainly will please fans of Dream Theater, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Marillion, Rush and UK, as it's very complex and intricate with many mood shifts. Although every track is almost equally good, the track "Enter Quietly" stands out a little bit more with its 19:50 minutes. On this track the musicians get a good chance to really show off. I would like to recommend this CD as it contains some of the best progressive music I've heard recently with excellent musicianship throughout the entire album. Leger de Main have recently released their second CD entitled "Second First Impression", that is said to me equally good to "The Concept of Reality". Available from: Progressive Music Management 6802 Helena Dr. Erie, PA 16510 USA E-mail- email_address_removed -Reviewed by Greger Ronnqvist- Email: email_address_removed.se Snail Mail: Greger Ronnqvist Risselasvagen 66 B 833 35 Stromsund Sweden ICQ No: 17275819 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the Prog-Reviews Mailing List: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/prog-reviews ------------------------------------------------------------------ Recommended links: Sonitus (http://www.apm.se/sonitus/) Tarkus (http://home.sol.no/~prognet/tarkus/) Wanted (http://members.xoom.com/moriensis/wanted/wanted.htm) Prog Net (http://www.prog.net/) Fun News (http://www.funnews.nu/) Zeitgeist (http://members.tripod.com/~zeitgeist_scot/) Stormbringer (http://www.intonet.co.uk/~derekdaniel/) Midwestern Skies (http://www.angelfire.com/ms/MidwesternSkies/progressive.html) Through Different Eyes: (http://hem2.passagen.se/caxen/index.html) ------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- 98-11-26 00.22 ---- S=E4nt till --------------------------- -> ytsejam(a)ax.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:30:21 -0600 From: "Test" To: email_address_removed Subject: re: friends death Message-ID: My condolences to you and your friend Don's family. May he rest in peace!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:03:45 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen To: email_address_removed Subject: Yes - Angkor Wat Message-ID: Hey all, Anyone out there know where to find a translation of the Cambodian poetry at the end of the Yes song "Angkor Wat"? hasta, BH NP - Yes - Union (What else?) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:02:28 -0500 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Happy GobbleDaY! Message-ID: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your own Dot COM, .NET, .ORG, .TO, or even a .CC! HOSTING INCLUDED or transfer yours FREE!! FREE SETUP, FREE TRANSFERS, NO HIDDEN COSTS! A Toll FREE support line! 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(Note: Speaking of "jazz > > metal", Rogerio Brito mentioned a band called Echosilence a few digests back. > > Cynic fans, do yourself a favor and check them out: I'd like to thank Younis, for reposting what I've said. I really wish this Echosilence band got some more airplay, because I think that they deserve their place in the sun. > This sounds pretty interesting to me. Could somebody suggest some bands > in this jazz-metal vein to me. Preferably ones with clean vocals though > (I've heard Cynic has death-vox, so I don't think I'd like them). Yes, Joe, if you have problems with the death vocals, then you might have some problems with Cynic (the vocals on "Focus", which btw is their only album, aren't only death metalish -- there are some "electronic" vocals, and some female vocals). I'm not sure if those electronic vocals were generated through a vox box (as I've been told), but, IMO, they were the hardest part to get past when I listened to Cynic (I really didn't have any problems with death metal vocals, because I'm more or less used to them). Ok. Enough comments on Cynic. I'll be putting some reviews on my homepage when I'm on holidays and Cynic's "Focus" will be one of these. Now, if you'd like to experience some jazz-metal without death metal vocals, then you should really get the 4 MP3 files from Echosilence. "Why?", I hear you cry in despair. Well, first, it's really a band fusing some interesting metal with some elements from jazz (and the drumming isn't your constant, boring double bass). Second, all the tracks are instrumental (if you ignore some samples on one of the songs) and there are no vocals to worry about. The guitar does the "vocal" lines. Third and perhaps the more interesting information is that this is the "demo tape" of the band, so this is your opportunity of hearing what they sound like without the hand of a producer, changing the mind of the artists. It contains their ideas as it was meant to be. And, of course, the demo was released to the Internet (which is not very common, IMO). (The ULR is: ). I hope that these comments make you at least a bit interested in what this new band is producing, since they deserve to be signed by a lable (perhaps, by Candlelight Records, which is a label that gives their artists enough creative freedom -- but I don't know if they're only a death/black metal kind of label). Hope this helps, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 00:45:51 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Therion etc. Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Nov 1998, Joe DeAngelo wrote: > Phil Carter said: > > Dunno about Neil, but if you haven't already gotten everything by Therion > > (excellent dark metal with a full choir and orchestra, plus great vocals) > > then you must do so now; "Theli" and "Vovin" are both must-haves. > > First of all..... I totally agree with Phil here about Therion. Both > "Theli" and "Vovin" are really fantastic (especially "Theli"). To that > list I'd also add "A'Arab Zaraq Lucid Dreaming", it's also rather good - > it contains a few Therion originals, plus some cover songs (some Maiden > and Priest among others), plus a few straight classical pieces (no > guitar/drums/bass). Well, Therion's "Theli" is very good, IMO. The production isn't very good, but they guys didn't have much money -- so it's the best that was possible. BTW, thank you Ernesto Schnack for getting me into Therion. BTW #2, isn't it weird that Dan Swano's name is in almost every album of a band that's related to death metal? > > Here's question number TWO: Are the above bands (3rd and the Mortal, In > the Woods, etc.) at all like Therion? > If not, what are they like? I don't know anything about The Third and the Mortal, besides the songs present on their site, but one of them is interesting and the other one is just ok, IMO. Reviews on their albums are welcome, from anybody knowledgeable about this band. And the address is: . > NP: Metallica "Am I Evil?" from Garage Inc. :-D Is it out yet? Reviews, please? Perhaps on some homepage, to avoid the nasty things that might happen if Metallica gets mentioned here again... []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 01:06:35 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito To: email_address_removed Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?gg=3A_Fwd=3A__The_Clich=E9s_of_Progressive_R?= Message-ID: =09Haha! I thought that this was pretty funny to see on the GG list, just after the thread on "stagnation" of progressive music appearing there. Obviously, the comments were made about progressive rock, but they also apply to progressive metal. :-) =09Have fun, Roger... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:16:28 -0700 ]From: Chris K Zetterholm To: email_address_removed Subject: gg: Fwd: The Clich=E9s of Progressive Rock I hadn't seen this come around this way yet, but I'm sure many of you may even s*bscribe to that particular newsgroup. Passed on to me by another prog head in Sweden (I know his dad is a big GG fan), Nils Erichson. Z-man Bullseye! A great laugh! --=20 Nils Erichson / email_address_removed.se / http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~d97nix "Kobaia is evil in a highly intense frightening kind of armageddon way, about the total destruction of mundane and facile patterns of existence. Ork is evil in a half-assed jazz-fusion kind of way." - Dave Lynch, rec.music.progressive ]From: email_address_removed (Progbear) Newsgroups: rec.music.progressive Subject: The Clich=E9s of Progressive Rock Hello all-- Just a list of progressive rock clich=E9s. I've tried to have some sort of conceptual continuity in the groupings (hell, it's about *prog*, isn't it?). Feel free to add to the list: MUSICAL CLICH=C9S: 1. Ascending or descending triplets or sixteenth-notes played on synthesizer or organ. 2. Any of the following sound-effects: a) Ocean waves, often accompanied by seagulls and foghorns. b) City street sounds, with lots of car-horns honking. c) Music box. d) Rushing water. e) Wind whispering through trees. f) Birdsongs, often accompanied by d) and/or e) g) Whale songs. h) Church bells i) Train whistles. j) Raspy, incomprehensible two-way radio voices. k) Fake record pops, clicks or scratches. 3. Songs beginning with bright, major or major 7th chords played on a (Hammond) organ, or sometimes with suspended 2nds or 4ths resolving to the tonic. 4. Otherwise "acoustic" ballads where the organ, polysynth and/or Mellotron make their sole appearance in the "dramatic" final verse. 5. Same as 4. but with electric guitar fills and a solo coda in the "dramatic" final verse. 6. Rototom fills. 7. A sudden quiet section featuring just a loud synth glissando. 8. Descending fretless-bass glissandi. 9. Ascending violin glissandi. 10. A short, string-quartet intermezzo. 11. The short, "humourous" piece either just before or just after the big "epic". 12. Drum solos. Anywhere. 13. Superfluous bass pedals in bands with a fully functioning bass player who plays no instruments other than bass. 14. A clavinet which only appears during the "funky" bit. 15. A clavinet used as a substitute for a harpsichord. 16. A cheap electronic piano used as a substitute for a harpsichord. 17. A brief, fake baroque section, usually with strings and harpsichord (or 15. Or 16.) 18. Synth warbles used for "spacy" effects. 19. Singers affecting English accents. 20. Singers affecting Irish (or other Celtic) accents. TEXT CLICH=C9S: 1. Song-titles, lyrics or concepts based on any of the following authors: a) Tolkien (saw it coming, didn't you?) b) C.S. Lewis c) E.R. Eddison d) Ayn Rand e) H.P. Lovecraft f) Robert Heinlein g) Roger Zelazny h) Frank Herbert i) Shakespeare j) The Bible k) Anyone with "Yogi" in their name that isn't a cartoon character or involved with baseball. 2. Song-titles, lyrics or concepts based on a rousing D&D campaign played by the band members. 3. Concept albums dealing with any of the following events: a) The end of the world b) The beginning of creation c) Someone overcoming the bad guys through rock & roll. d) A personal journey of self-discovery thinly disguised as surrealism. 4. Yes songs, or imitation Yes songs, containing any of the following words: a) Rainbow b) River c) Mountain d) Sunlight e) Sunshine f) Ocean g) Sky (or "Skies") h) Eternity i) Morning j) Dawn k) Awakening VISUAL CLICH=C9S: 1. Jesters on album covers. 2. Album covers in the style of Roger Dean 3. Album covers in the style of Hipgnosis 4. Album covers in the style of Michael Whelan, or any other "fantasy" artist you'd care to name. 5. Singers dressed as: a) Death b) A jester c) A harlequin d) Any animal 6. Any band member in Renaissance Faire garb. 7. Keyboardists wearing glitter vests. (Why?) 8. Strap-on keyboards. 9. Double-necked guitars used exclusively for show. 10. Double bass drums used exclusively for show. 11. Large gongs used exclusively for show. 12. Dry-ice fog. 13. Abnormally coloured stage-lighting. 14. Slides projected onto a screen behind the band. 15. Pretentious, dramatic readings (or poetry) between songs. MIKE (a.k.a. "Progbear") ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4458 **************************