YTSEJAM Digest 4441

Today's Topics:

  1) New SUPERIOR website!! (NDTC)
 by Bernd Basmer <email_address_removed.de>
  2) Crisco or Cusco??? I LOVE Cusco...
 by "Max Verran" <email_address_removed>
  3) Forbidden sausages were meant to be peeled
 by Eckie <email_address_removed>
  4) Bozzio The Clown? HAHAHA!!! ...sorry
 by "Max Verran" <email_address_removed>
  5) Neoclassical/Shred Guitar Player WebRing formed
 by Richard Karsmakers <karies@wxs.nl>
  6) Fish
 by "Trevor W. Hoit" <email_address_removed>
  7) gathering/ women
 by "Trevor W. Hoit" <email_address_removed>
  8) wanted:detritus - if but for one
 by O-P Komonen <email_address_removed>
  9) Metalla-cheese? and other various things
 by "Suplizio, Jim" <email_address_removed>
 10) A little predictable, perhaps
 by "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
 11) Re: Bozzio The Clown? HAHAHA!!! ...sorry
 by "Dream Theater" <email_address_removed>
 12) NDTC:  Journey (Re: YTSEJAM digest 4439)
 by Hanson Family <email_address_removed>
 13) Hey Vladimir,
 by "Kevin Rackley" <email_address_removed>
 14) Journey Tour
 by Quazel Schmirt <email_address_removed>
 15) Re: My forbidden... dare I say the word?... OPINION!!!
 by "Brian D. Hayden" <email_address_removed>
 16) Re: Alder vs. Arch
 by Phil Carter <email_address_removed>

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:15:48 +0100
From: Bernd Basmer <email_address_removed.de>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: New SUPERIOR website!! (NDTC)
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.de>


Hi all!

I just wanted to anounce that we have new webite:
http://www.truemetal.org/superior

The homepage was designed by my humble self and it is my first
one. So please be patient with me. :)

There are still a few info's missing on the page but you'll get
the picture... :)

Bye

Bernd


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	Bernd Basmer
	Guitar - Superior

	For info about Superior have a look at: 
	http://www.fine.de/superior
	http://www.noiserecords.com

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If you're good, you solve your problems. If you're better you have none.

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 01:26:27 PST
From: "Max Verran" <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Crisco or Cusco??? I LOVE Cusco...
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>



   KorgX3 plays his violin to a big group of hybernating skunks while he 
fantasizes of being whisked away on a magic carpet to Neve Campbell's 
shower room:

>>>maX gargled 10 pounds of Crisco naked in front of a 7-11 to 
OingoBoingo:<<<

>Pat Sullivan chortled Slick Willie's Copenhagen snuff<

>>>Dude, Max, where the hell do you come up with these?  heheh.<<<


I'm a stupid moron, so I just improvise them on the spot... ya want a 
list of all the ones I've done? Hehe... I felt I had to make mine really 
long and complex 'cuz yours was better than most of mine.
   I still like the Martian one tho... and the cigar one.



And NOW I can say thanX to everyone who has given me input on MP3s and 
Fates... and the other bands.


And my last NP should have had "Cusco - Apurimac III" listed instead of 
Nikki Brooks... Like you care.


-maX AGAIN! <shut UP now, maX!>

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 02:41:44 -0700
From: Eckie <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Forbidden sausages were meant to be peeled
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Max Verran then added this contribution:

>    Brian Hayden moans like a constipated cow as he gets ass rammed once
> more by his 93 year old gay lover:

Back in their day, they weren't called "gay lovers."  The more poignant
term was "Jolly Fat Uncle who nobody ever sits next to at the family
reunion dinner."

> Well... sometimes I can see your point about the face. Does look a
> little "jagged" at times. But she's still pretty hot stuff. I was
> responding to someone saying she needed "enormous" breasts. And THOSE
> are just about right.

I bet Derek would love to sign those titties!  EH DEREK? Hell, I'd pose
as a band member to sign those titties.

God I'm such a whore.  I just tried putting Dream Theater content in an
utterly NDTC debate.  Forgive me of my sins and I'll never kill somebody
for touching my signed Ibanez ever again....
 
> PS: If you wanna disagree with me, save us both some time by recording
> your
> comments and cramming the tape up your ass, cause I don't give a
> fuck.<<<
 
>    You can go get fucked by Liv Tyler's dad! ... and I take it it's OK
> for YOU to talk shit but nobody else?! Eat me.

*sniffle*  I've never been prouder to call myself a member of this
list.  I LOVE YOU GUYS!

~Eckie gits all teary eyed 'n shit

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 01:41:21 PST
From: "Max Verran" <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Bozzio The Clown? HAHAHA!!! ...sorry
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>



   James C. Shields recites from a rag Mike Portnoy blew his nose in:


>>>OH MY FUCKING GOD!  I just got back from a Bozzio drum clinic in San
Antonio, and all I have to say is that there is not a better drummer on
the planet!  Black Light Syndrome, Explorer's Club, and Sex & Religion
don't even begin to show just how incredible this man is.  Portnoy ain't
shit and Peart ain't all that great compared to this guy (and believe
me, I know how much that is saying.<<<


Never heard the man myself. But Portnoy keeps winning polls, and it 
seems you may have your order reversed. I KNOW that Mike Portnoy can 
blow chunks on Neil Peart, and you imply Peart is better than Portnoy... 
so I don't believe a word you say about Bozzio :-)


-maXXXXXXXX

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:46:48 +0100
From: Richard Karsmakers <karies@wxs.nl>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <email_address_removed>
Subject: Neoclassical/Shred Guitar Player WebRing formed
Message-ID: <36553A88.2803@wxs.nl>


Good day, fellow guitar afficionadoes!

 Apologies if this message is perhaps a little bit off-topic, but I do
think it concerns something of interest to all lovers of rock and heavy
metal guitar music...
 I have set up a Shred WebRing with the intent join together Web Sites
related to virtuoso guitarists (or bands they're in), general guitar- or
guitar-music oriented sites and guitar manufacturers. With all these
sites in one ring, it is a piece of cake to surf from one to another, or
even jump to a random site covering a band/guitarist/guitar you've never
heard of before or that you didn't know had a web site at all!
 If you happen to run a site that falls within this category, please
surf over to http://www.capnasty.org/shred to check out the Shred
WebRing and perhaps even join!

-- 
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| "ST NEWS" disk mag; "W3M3" magazine; "Twilight World" magazine |
|   Disk Magazine WebRing; Neo-classional Shred Guitar WebRing   |
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|           http://www.scriba.org/w3m3/karscontrol.htm           |
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 01:52:29 -0800
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <email_address_removed>
To: "'email_address_removed'" <email_address_removed>
Subject: Fish
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


> >After listening to Ayreon's "Into the Electric Castle" dozens of
> times
> > since I acquired it last week, I have decided that I quite like
> Fish's
> > vocals. Is he Scottish?
Does the Pope wear a funny hat?

> Yes, Fish is Scottish. I have not yet heard the new Ayreon CD (anyone
> know a
> good place to order it from?)
IMO the best place to order Fish/Marillion/Ayreon is Paul's CD's in PA.
Paul's cds
4526 liberty ave
Pittsburgh, PA 15224
phone 412-621-3256 fax 412-621-1030 
email_address_removed

Fish solo:
Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors*
Internal Exile*
Songs From the Mirror*
Suits*
Acoustic Session
Yin
Yang
Sunsets on Empire*
*remastered with b-sides just released

Live:
Pigpen's Birthday
Derek Dick &His Amazing Electric Bear 
Uncle Fish & The Crypt Keepers 
For Whom the Bells Toll! 
Toiling in the Reeperbahn 
Sushi
Fish Head Curry 
Krakow 
Tales from the Big Bus
Fortunes of War


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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 01:53:28 -0800
From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <email_address_removed>
To: "'email_address_removed'" <email_address_removed>
Subject: gathering/ women
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


> i thought the same thing the first time i heard them...until you hear 
> more of them and it all sounds exaclty the same.  she has real limited
> 
> vocal range and, like i said, music all sounds real doomy with no 
> variation.
Thank you. I thought it was just me.

> From: "earthblind, starbound" <email_address_removed>
> Liv Tyler,  Kate Moss, Jennifer Love Hewitt, Alanis
> Morrissette, Tori Spelling, Sharon Stone, and 
> Calista Flockhart in "Reservoir Tip Dogs." 
"Anorexics with implants do not a real woman make." -Willy Shakespeare?
I need a women with some meat on her bones. I don't want to be
worried about impaling my nether regions on a protruding rib during
foreplay. Give me Kate Winslet, not Moss. 

Trevor


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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:06:05 +0200
From: O-P Komonen <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: wanted:detritus - if but for one
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


few yrs ago I heard this album and loved it.. for some reason I didn't buy
it tho'.. if you could sell me your copy, please e-mail me and we'll
negotiate a deal...

op777


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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 07:24:27 -0500
From: "Suplizio, Jim" <email_address_removed>
To: "'email_address_removed'" <email_address_removed>
Subject: Metalla-cheese? and other various things
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>



   Ok, I just looked at the track listing for Garage, Inc by Metallica.
(yeah, soory
 I used the M word). Though their last couple of albums of completely sucked
I
 really like their order covers. I went to CD-NOW and checked out the track
listing
 (which is completely wrong BTW) and was supsrised to see a few old Mercyful
 Fate tracks on there
 Evil, Curse of the Pharoahs, Satan's Fall, A Corpse without Soul (this was
listed
 as two tracks, A Corpse and Without Soul...someone at CD-NOW needs to look
 at their own database) I don't know about any other old Fate fans but I'm
actualy
 interested to hear these songs performed. Though Metallica has managed to
fuck
 up anything original in the last two albums their remakes have been pretty
good.

 Anyhow just wanted to strike up a conversation that didn't deal with
 1) Vocalists
 2) Female/Male Jammer bashing
 or
 3) Shortcomings of OIAL

 Jim

 Now Playing: Morbid Angel: Blessed are the Sick


"What reward is a banquet of red wine and bread,
 when you hunger for life but on death you are fed?" 
 - M. Walkyer - The Best of Enemies (Wulf's Tale)

Jim Suplizio

email_address_removed
919-549-7927

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:05:20 +0100
From: "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
To: <email_address_removed>
Subject: A little predictable, perhaps
Message-ID: <000801be1486$6d95ce60$message_id_removed.de>


Hi all

I've been buying lots of CDs recently, and the new arrivals in my
collection include the following three:

SHADOW GALLERY - Tyranny
STRATOVARIUS - Destiny
SYMPHONY - X

All of them are fairly good (Shadow Gallery possibly being my
personal favourite) and would get 8/10 if I wrote reviews (which
I will refrain from doing because there have been enough already
posted). But I'm afraid I have one gripe with all of them - they are
all fairly predictable to a certain extent. Even when listening to the
songs for the first time I had an sort of gut feeling about when
solos were going to come and also when guitar/keyboard duelling
(a very tired prog cliche) was coming up. This applies less to
Shadow Gallery but they are also guilty. This is one aspect of Dream
Theater that appeals to me so much: with very few exceptions, you
don't know what a song is going to do or where it is going to go
once it has started. Does anybody else think this?

Only 6 hours to go until Slayer/Sepultura - my poor ears.

stay sage and happy listening
Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Wishbone Ash - Live Dates

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 05:31:54 PST
From: "Dream Theater" <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: Bozzio The Clown? HAHAHA!!! ...sorry
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


That's not necassarily true that Portnoy is "better" or to use your term 
"can blow chunks on" Peart.  They are two totally different drummers.  
If anything a direct comparison between Portnoy and Bozzio would be more 
feasible, since I think Bozzio was one of Mike's major (most major) 
influences.  Mike has also been heavily influenced by heavy metal 
drumming like Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth (early), Sepultura, etc...  
Which also ties into the discussion about Peart using double bass.  
Peart used it more as an assistant to rolls/fills, where as Mike uses it 
both for that and for a riding or "driving", as I like to call it, 
paterns.  Anyway, just my two cents worth.  OH yeah, but if you are able 
to find a picture of Bozzio's most recent kit setup, I think you might 
think twice!!  DAMN!!  It's like no other (single) kit I've ever seen.  
WOWW!!!!

Mike

>Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 01:59:10 -0800 (PST)
>Reply-To: email_address_removed
>From: "Max Verran" <email_address_removed>
>To: Multiple recipients of list <email_address_removed>
>Subject: Bozzio The Clown? HAHAHA!!! ...sorry
>
>
>
>   James C. Shields recites from a rag Mike Portnoy blew his nose in:
>
>
>>>>OH MY FUCKING GOD!  I just got back from a Bozzio drum clinic in San
>Antonio, and all I have to say is that there is not a better drummer on
>the planet!  Black Light Syndrome, Explorer's Club, and Sex & Religion
>don't even begin to show just how incredible this man is.  Portnoy 
ain't
>shit and Peart ain't all that great compared to this guy (and believe
>me, I know how much that is saying.<<<
>
>
>Never heard the man myself. But Portnoy keeps winning polls, and it 
>seems you may have your order reversed. I KNOW that Mike Portnoy can 
>blow chunks on Neil Peart, and you imply Peart is better than 
Portnoy... 
>so I don't believe a word you say about Bozzio :-)
>
>
>-maXXXXXXXX
>
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 08:54:50 -0500
From: Hanson Family <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: NDTC:  Journey (Re: YTSEJAM digest 4439)
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Hello all,

I saw Journey in concert in Spartanburg, SC last week and yes it was
Steve Auggeri on vocals.  They sounded great and I thought Neil was
great (i.e. able to wail).  Jonathan Cain spent some time on vocal as
well and they even did two instrumental pieces.  All in all, it rocked.

Enjoy,
doug
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:24:31 -0500
From: "Kevin Rackley" <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Cc: email_address_removed.br
Subject: Hey Vladimir,
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Hey Vladimir,

I agree with you Vladimir (since I posted about VIRGIL DONATI in the first =
place) that he is most likely the fastest drummer on the face of the =
planet.  And I don't just mean, death metal double bass drumming that =
sound like explosions.  This man plays drum parts like double strokes and =
inverted double stokes, paradiddles, etc. faster with his feet than most =
drummers can with their hands.  You just have to see it to believe it. =
Modern Drummer Festival 1997 Video (hint, hint)

When it comes to other fast drummers, I would have to say VINNIE COLAIUTA. =
 I just recently went to a drum clinic of his here in Richmond, VA and he =
blew me away once again.  Even though he primarily plays fussion/jazz now =
on his solo albums, he played a lot of his old Zappa stuff as well.  Like =
the infamous 21/16 drumbeat.

But, no doubt, when you speak "music" and "drums" in the same sentence, =
you sound like a fool unless you also include the words TERRY BOZZIO.  He =
has taken drumming to an entirely new, uncharted territory.  I also caught =
one of his drum clinics here in Richmond, VA recently.  He plays music, =
not drumbeats.  I highly recommend getting his latest solo release, =
"Drawing the Circle".  You can order it from www.audiophileimports.com =
that's the only place I've found it on the net.

But, this post wouldn't be fare without mentioning my all time favorite =
drumming inspiration, MIKE PORTNOY.  This man almost combines all the =
above traits and talents and creates his own sound.

Well I'm done now. (Drummers be heard)
Kevin Rackley
Official Soul Reason Website
http://members.aol.com/rackleyk/

Currently in the car's changer:

1.) Dream Theater - ACOS
2.) LTE - Liquid Tension Experiment
3.) Terry Bozzio - Drawing the Circle
4.) Michael Sweet - All This and Heaven Too
5.) KISS - Love Gun
6.) Dream Theater - Once in a Livetime (Disc 2)
=20


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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:24:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Quazel Schmirt <email_address_removed>
To: Multiple recipients of list <email_address_removed>
Subject: Journey Tour
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


I was able to see Journey almost a month ago in Syracuse, NY.  They were
phenominal.  The new singer is great.  I am a die hard Journey fan and
thought he did a great job.  My roommate likes them but went more to humor
me and couldn't tell it was a different singer.  We were the youngest
people there which was weird but it was great to hang out with a large
group of Journey fans who actually listened to them when they were in
their prime.  The consensus after the show was that it was a terrific show
and they were all very congenial and signed autographs by the buses
afterwards.  If you like Journey at all and they are playing near you (I
know the tour is limited) I suggest you go.

			Jill ----------- Quazel


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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 08:41:11 -0600
From: "Brian D. Hayden" <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: My forbidden... dare I say the word?... OPINION!!!
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Responding to the message of <email_address_removed>
from email_address_removed:

> Liv Tyler's screwing her DAD?!?! I never heard about this! Am I just way 
> 'Disconnected'? That IS pretty nasty. Get your point there.
> 
> This will make me sound sick too, but hopefully you will understand me 
> the right way. I can't really blame her dad though ;-)
>    Still. Ugh...
> 
> Or is this just some tabloid crap you read somewhere and are just trying 
> to spread around? 'Cuz I NEVER heard of that!

Bwahaha. It's a joke, dude. Steven Tyler is a perv and Liv strips for his 
videos. 

> Then why didn't you save us time and not post to the fucking list about 
> it?! At first it was all good and fun, but then you have to go and be a 
> fucking dickhead about it! So what if we disagree? What the Hell do you 
> care? I take it EVERYONE has to agree with YOU or they can go to Hell, 
> right?

Okay, I was going to write some clever response to this, but I was laughing too 
fucking hard for a while. And then I realized that, um, Liv Tyler is about the 
dumbest possible thing to flame about and I don't need Skadz to kick my ass. 

Say it with me, maXipad...J O K E.

>    You can go get fucked by Liv Tyler's dad! ... and I take it it's OK 
> for YOU to talk shit but nobody else?! Eat me.

You want me to get fucked by him AND eat you. That's pretty damn kinky...I'll 
only do it if I get a wraparound out of the deal.

-Brian

            "You can't start a fire worryin' about your little
                 world fallin' apart." - Bruce Springsteen




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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:49:02 -0500
From: Phil Carter <email_address_removed>
To: The Divine Wings of Ytse <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: Alder vs. Arch
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Greetings ye 'jamanoids...

After reading my remarks about Geoff Tate smoking and Ray Alder *not*,
Raitz whacked me over the head with:
>Well, as much as I've heard, it's pretty much the other way round: Geoff 
>Tate has quit smoking and Ray Alder inhales thru the filter at least 40 
>units a day.
>I'm only sure about the former, though, the Ray thing is just me quoting 
>what's been said on the jam.

Woopsy. That's what I get for not checking the facts before I report them.
:) I know Geoff has quit smoking (which might help account for his vocal
turnaround), but I didn't know Ray smoked. 

Ain't it funny how smoking gives some people a cool voice (Leonard Cohen)
while on others it destroys something that was once mighty? Weird. 

ta,
Phil

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"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
	-- Berthold Auerbach

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