YTSEJAM Digest 4439 Today's Topics: 1) Neil Schon / Journey by "Rafael L.R. Carnovale" 2) Recommended by Nuno 3) Journey Tour by rockercat 4) Re: John Petrucci's Seven String guitar. by "Eren Gumrukcuoglu" 5) observations on new elp CD by Damon Fibraio 6) Peart and Double Bass by Cyberwolf 7) St. Louis Portnoy Clinic by Jeff Perrot 8) Fates Warning by "Max Verran" 9) Liv Tyler -- NDTC by "Max Verran" 10) Journey, "How's it hangin', Steve?", and my guitar has morning wood. by "Korg Ecksthrey" 11) D-man (NDTC, NOC, NDMC) by Rogerio Brito 12) Re: Liv Tyler -- NDTC by "Brian Hayden" 13) Re: Best Drummers by "Robert Newcomb" 14) Symphony X MP3s (NDTC) by Andrew Coutermarsh 15) Re: pearts double bass by "Dream Theater" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:05:45 -0200 From: "Rafael L.R. Carnovale" To: Subject: Neil Schon / Journey Message-ID: <002201be1421$e888ac60$cc2fffc8@fox> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01BE1411.2343D480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey!! Have you heard something about a Journey bootleg live with Steve = Auggeri on vocals? Here in Brazil i heard someone, but i've never seen one. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01BE1411.2343D480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey!! Have you heard something about = a Journey=20 bootleg live with Steve Auggeri

on vocals? Here in Brazil i heard = someone, but=20 i've never seen one.

------=_NextPart_000_001F_01BE1411.2343D480-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:33:51 -0200 From: Nuno To: Ytsejam Subject: Recommended Message-ID: Well, Max, I can recommend you Angra, especially their last album Fireworks. If you want an epic album, buy their second album called Holy Land. Fireworks is heavier than Holy Land, but it's more simple. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:01:59 -0800 From: rockercat To: email_address_removed Subject: Journey Tour Message-ID: While it is true that neither Steve nor Steve is in the band, I have heard that this tour really goes back to the olden (meaning good) days of Journey....not all the sappy crap, but lots of rockin'!! I'll be seeing them in L.A. on Dec 12, so I'll be posting my review! :-) rockercat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:16:30 -0500 From: "Eren Gumrukcuoglu" To: , Subject: Re: John Petrucci's Seven String guitar. Message-ID: <01be142b$c908d0e0$db50ad98@default> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01D0_01BE1401.E032C8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey........! hell noooo!!!! whats wrong with you people????? I am reading all these different weird ideas about JPs 7-string guitars Lemme say this: now he has his own custom 7-string Ibanez guitars which ALSO have the = same=20 Picasso Pattern on them just like the black and white 7-string JPM but = this time it is white and black :) ....and body is of course an RG ( like most of = the other guitars that famous Ibanez players' guitars even JEMs -except = the monkeygrasp- ) so......and I think that Ibanez will manifacture it probably next year = as the new JPM=20 model Laters, a regular reader for years, a lazy writer for ages........ Eren " the guitarist " GUMRUKCUOGLU (from Turkey) e-mail: email_address_removed ( The way your heart beats makes all the difference in learning to live = ) DT, SyVy, Greg, Boru, * rulez. ------=_NextPart_000_01D0_01BE1401.E032C8E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey........!

hell=20 noooo!!!!

whats wrong with you = people?????

I am reading all these different weird = ideas about=20 JPs 7-string guitars

Lemme say this:

now he has his own custom 7-string = Ibanez guitars=20 which ALSO have the same

Picasso Pattern on them just like the = black and=20 white 7-string JPM but this time

it is white and black :) ....and body = is of course=20 an RG ( like most of the other guitars that famous Ibanez players' = guitars even=20 JEMs -except the monkeygrasp- )

so......and I think that Ibanez will = manifacture it=20 probably next year as the new JPM

model

Laters,

a=20 regular reader for years, a lazy writer for ages........

Eren " the = guitarist "=20 GUMRUKCUOGLU (from Turkey)
e-mail: email_address_removed

( The way your heart = beats makes all=20 the difference in learning to live )
DT, SyVy, Greg, Boru, *=20 rulez.

------=_NextPart_000_01D0_01BE1401.E032C8E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:45:57 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio To: email_address_removed Subject: observations on new elp CD Message-ID: You know, I have listened to Then and Now, the new double cd from ELP capturing their 98 tour, and I am a bit disturbed. Keith's playing is sloppy. I know this may be due to his arm surgery, but hell, on Ho-down, he is horrific. This guy is my idol, and he just seems like he is losing it due to age, injyury, or maybe both. I don't remember him soundding like that live. could it be that another star is falling? First, Rush, then DT, :), then this? I mean, it's bad enough that Yes and Genesis are on that downward spiral, now all this? I hopeDT isn't heading down this trail. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:54:25 +0000 From: Cyberwolf To: email_address_removed Subject: Peart and Double Bass Message-ID: Actually, I cannot name a definitive example, but being a fairly big Rush, Peart, and Drum afficiando as I am, quote the wolf, he HAS definately used double bass (and the pedal) before... But because most of us today are used to this HUGE sound of POUNDING bass drums, I think his was much more subtle, much like his INSANE cymbal work, which also is another trademark of a certain Mr. Zonder. The little subtleties sometimes force us to miss was is actually there. So there. ANyhow, I'm not pertinent to a specific example right now, but I'd bet your first born on it. Later. Scott M. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:14:09 -0600 From: Jeff Perrot To: Ytsejammers Subject: St. Louis Portnoy Clinic Message-ID: Well, Mike told me I had to write this, so here it is, and I know you're reading Mike :) Anyway, the clinic was incredible. I'll just go over some brief details: Taking my seat, the first thing I noticed was some new music I hadn't heard before. It only took me 2 seconds to figure out "Hey, this is LTE2!" And sure enough, when Mike started, he said it was some stuff they taped for the second album. I just have to say that it's gonna be an awesome sequel! Every bit as good as the first.... Mike started out by playing a few short solos, and then he stopped to catch his breath and take a drink, saying that we should clap a lot because it gives him a lot of chances to drink. Needless to say, we applauded so much I think he got tired of drinking. :) He then explained his setup (he was using a borrowed set), and played some more. He played along to Paradigm Shift and Kindred Spirits. Next he explained some theory concepts ("mathematics" as he calls them), and gave some examples of odd time signatures. After that he played the middle section of Metropolis, and we hummed the non-drum parts. He ended it off with a Q&A session and then played Erotomania, which I guessed right away from his description of the time signatures. :) Well, this is getting long, so I'll wrap it up. I just want to say that Mike is the greatest drummer ever, both as a person and a musician. He allowed us to take pictures, videos, audio, whatever. They also sold his set when he was done, and I bought a 12" Sabian Splash and had him sign it. Really cool. :) I highly recommend you go and see him if you can, whether you're a drummer or not. You'll definitely get something out if it. Jeff Perrot P.S. I met a few people there, but no one from the list. I was the short guy wearing the Awake T-shirt and sitting in the 2nd row. Let me know if you saw me.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:42:09 PST From: "Max Verran" To: email_address_removed Subject: Fates Warning Message-ID: Pat Sullivan chortled Slick Willie's Copenhagen snuff: >>>I always find it interesting that Fates Warning went from being a metal band with a prog singer (Arch era), to a prog band with a more metal singer (Alder).<<< Cool that this is mentioned. Um, when was the transition from metal to prog? Was it No Exit or Perfect Symmetry? Thanx, -maX NP: Mansun - Attack Of The Grey Lantern Cusco - Apurimac III Nikki Brooks - Dreams To Nightmares ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:59:13 PST From: "Max Verran" To: email_address_removed Subject: Liv Tyler -- NDTC Message-ID: I mean, according to > Bafu's definition, the way for Bruckheimer to make it into a true "guy" > movie would be for Liv Tyler to be severely mauled by flaming shrapnel from > the space shuttle, which would have exploded into thousands ofrazor-sharp > pieces upon reentry.>> And, maybe, I would have cheered.> Um, I guess I'm not a "real" guy then... Earle Jason then barfed up tiny little maggots that were eating at his eyeballs: >>>She would have to have enormous titties, and at least 15 minutes of movie devoted to her topless on a trampoline. I believe I am speaking for all males here.<<< No. Liv Tyler is finer than just about anyone just the way she is. Enormous titties are not that attractive to me... but Liv topless on a trampoline? Oooh.... ;-) -maX NP: Same as before... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:11:33 -0700 From: "Korg Ecksthrey" To: Subject: Journey, "How's it hangin', Steve?", and my guitar has morning wood. Message-ID: <008a01bcf505$d9e16440$330d84d0@korgx3> >Yes, Neal Schon is still with Journey, but alas however, Steve Smith is >not. Steve has been replaced with Deen Castronovo who is drumming monster LOL! I guess they should just go as Bad English again. heheh. There's more original members of that band present than of Journey! Well, then again, Neil and Ross have been the only original members of Journey since Gregg Rollie left in what? 1980? Cut me some slack, I was still reading Golden Books [tm] and playing with my Computron at the time. :) Nevertheless, they continue to rock, if not soothe, my nadz. And I will also give a hats off to Steve Augerri. I have the Tall Stories CD he sings on and he's great. He doesn't have that wicked wart/mole/conjoined twin thing growing south of the mouth like Steve Perry had either. :) >While it is true that neither Steve nor Steve is in the band, I have Weird when you think about it. Two wrongs make a right so I guess two Steves make, um... a Steve. Kind of like Michael Keaton in Multiplicity or something. Now if we boot Steve Z. and Bafu Vai off the jam, maybe a cool Steve would actually show up! (Screw you guys I'm only kidding.) Our luck George Farber or that "RUSH IS FUCKING TRASH! I'D PUT IT IN A TRASH CAN!" guy would return or something. :P >I hope you know that almost every single Ibanez guitar is basswood. All Yup My RG is and I'm pretty sure my Washburn is, too. I never have a problem with the Floyd on either of them. I hadn't even played the Washburn for like 6 months or more and just did the other night. Even through all the climatic and seasonal changes it was still in perfect tune although it has Tenderflakycrispycrusty strings. If most guitar luthiers think that basswood sucks for Floyds then it would amaze me as to why the major guitar manufacturers use it so much. I'm sure there are cheaper woods (not woulds, damn homonyms) they could use. :) Maybe I can have a special order Balsa or maybe even a sheetrock guitar. Mmmmm... particle board... >Re: Arch vs. Alder. Thought this read Birch vs. Alder for a minute. C'mon guys, we're discussing wood here, not vocalists. Aldur is most definitely the wood of choice because it gives better sustain in the higher registers, better tone, and while it is often compared to certain other woods (the Geoffery Cedar, for example) it tends to age better and hold its polish longer. The Birch on the other hand is generally used in second rate instances and cheaper fabrications. While many luthiers use this type of wood, most actual guitar players tend to discard it as it has a tendency to warble and warp unexpectedly. However, a few guitarists swear by it, claiming it writes the best lyrics or something... AS far as the Geoffery Cedar goes, it seems the most use that wood gets anymore is the manufacturing of hope chests for pimple faced adolescent girls to throw their stinky panties in. I hope to see it become a luthiers wood of choice again someday. Max gargled 10 pounds of Crisco naked in front of a 7-11 to Oingo Boingo: >Pat Sullivan chortled Slick Willie's Copenhagen snuff Dude, Max, where the hell do you come up with these? heheh. Where's Long Duck Dong when you need him? -- KorgX3 "So sorry, I thought you were my new American style girlfriend." - LDD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 02:26:40 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito To: email_address_removed Subject: D-man (NDTC, NOC, NDMC) Message-ID: Chris Merlo (D-Man), if you are still subscribed to the list, could you please e-mail me? []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:28:37 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Liv Tyler -- NDTC Message-ID: Responding to the message of Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:16:55 -0800 (PST) from "Max Verran" : > No. Liv Tyler is finer than just about anyone just the way she is. Okay, I just gotta say that you're smoking crack. Liv Tyler needs about a million hours under the knife before her face would be halfway decent. And she's just as freakin sick as her dad...what a couple of pervs they are. They might as well just put out a porno of themselves and get it over with. -Brian PS: If you wanna disagree with me, save us both some time by recording your comments and cramming the tape up your ass, cause I don't give a fuck. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:14:29 -0600 From: "Robert Newcomb" To: Subject: Re: Best Drummers Message-ID: In a message dated Thu, 9 Nov 1998 16:05:56-0500, you asked: >So who are the best drummers? (this includes creativity, speed, and endurance)< First off I would like to say that there is no such thing as "the best" when it comes to self-expression. Everyone expresses themselves differently. Therefore the only one they are competing with is themselves, not anyone else. That aside I will list my Favorite (note I did not say "best") drummers. This is in no particular order. And yes, they all fit the criteria mentioned. Neil Peart Mike Portnoy Mark Zonder Terry Bozzio Billy Cobham Thorin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:44:01 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Coutermarsh To: email_address_removed Subject: Symphony X MP3s (NDTC) Message-ID: Considering the fact that the only good mp3 of SX stuff I've heard (there were a couple of medium-quality ones I heard, but...), I'm making a request for anybody who has SX CDs and the ability to make MP3s off CDs to make some SX mp3s for me. If you're willing to do this for me, I have a place you could upload them. Thanks. ------------------------------------------- Andrew Coutermarsh email_address_removed http://cout.ml.org/ <== My webpage! ------------------------------------------- "Friends are people who help you move. But REAL friend help you move BODIES." ------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:45:11 PST From: "Dream Theater" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: pearts double bass Message-ID: Hmmm... I can't wait to get the CD now, cause I could sware he doesn't play it that way on the studio version, of Closer to the Heart obviously, since he wasn't the drummer on their self titled debute album with Working Man on it. And I don't even think Rusty knew what double bass was! :) So I'm psyched now ... can't wait 'til I have the money to buy it. Mike >Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:43:25 -0800 (PST) >Reply-To: email_address_removed >From: email_address_removed >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: pearts double bass > > ><than riding on them as continuous 16th notes. As far as songs goes, I >can't remember any specific fills or beats, and I don't have any CDs with >me for a few days. Anyone out there?>> > >I know that I DEFINITELY hear double bass douring the "chorus" part of >Working Man on the 3rd CD from Different Stages (thats why they call me the >workin man! dada dada dada etc...that part) and also on Closer to the Heart at >the end on Different Stages. My guess is that its not as noticable when he does >it as when someone like, say Portnoy would do it, mainly because of how high >the bass drum might be set in the mix. > >Matt > > > >===================================================== >"A daily dose of eMpTyV "Following our instinct >will flush your mind not a trend. Go against >right down the drain." the grain until the end." > > -Dream Theater -Metallica >===================================================== > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4439 **************************