YTSEJAM Digest 4421 Today's Topics: 1) The Ytsejam CD project! by Peter Tatischev 2) Petrucci Video by Kyrre 3) Geddy Lee is a scalper? by Nick Bogovich 4) Re: LTE chat by Al Balkiewicz 5) Re: hall of fame inductees? by "Brian D. Hayden" 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4419 by Anna Stiglic 7) Stern and DT (was RE: LTE chat) by "Dave Thomas" 8) "LIVE in the USA!" by Lobsterback 9) Re: LTE chat by "Daniel L. Diamond" 10) Importance of Lyrics by "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" 11) Re: Geddy Lee is a scalper? by Andrew Embler 12) Re: LTE chat by Brad Plumb 13) Indonesian cover by "Dick" 14) FREEDOM OF MUSIC! by "Max Verran" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 20:16:52 +0300 From: Peter Tatischev To: email_address_removed Subject: The Ytsejam CD project! Message-ID: Heyee, Jammerz! Some of you might pretty well remember that about half a year ago or even more there started a project for the musicians on the Jam who wanted to put together a CD with their songs. I must admit that until now the project hadn't been quite succesfull and no songs have been submitted. I just think that there might be some people who are willing to take part in this project - maybe you issed all the messages about it back when it started or maybe you joined later, anyways, if yo feel like you are in for that there's a mailing list for that: 1 - To SUBSCRIBE to the list send an e-mail to: email_address_removed.br With the word SUBSCRIBE in the body of the message or in the subject line. 2 - To SUBMIT MESSAGES to the list, send them to: email_address_removed.br 3 - To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list, send an e-mail to: email_address_removed.br With the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message or in the subject line Roger maintains that list! Also, you might feel like checking a web-site for it at: http://www.glasnet.ru/~tatisch/Ytze/ It is sorta poor now, but I hope that if interest to this thing increases I surely will make it all brand new and flashy, cause otherwise I see no use in keeping up a site that is of absolutely no use for anybody! cheers, ~Pete ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:27:13 +0100 From: Kyrre To: email_address_removed Subject: Petrucci Video Message-ID: Someone was asking about the JP instructional video. I have had it for a while, and I can only tell you: It rules! It is completely unlike most other guitar videos that are out there. If you are after a video that shows how to play DT songs, you=B4re in for a disappointment, thoug. Rock Discipline is about technique, and it covers most areas of soloing technique through a bundle of exercises. In between exercises, there are small live DT instrumental excerpts and John raps about how he got started, influences, etc. You don=B4t wanna miss this video, trust me! Kyrre. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:37:58 -0500 From: Nick Bogovich To: email_address_removed Subject: Geddy Lee is a scalper? Message-ID: Hey everyone, For those of you who have Rush's Different Stages 3-CD set, I want you all to open it, take out the case containing the Hammersmith Odeon show, and look at the guy in the lower right buying tickets from a scalper. Doesn't that scalper look a little bit like....Geddy Lee? The forehead looks a bit smaller and his eyes look a little bigger, but that could be because of the expression he has on his face... Anyways, I thought I'd throw that out there for you all. -Bogie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:48:45 -0500 (EST) From: Al Balkiewicz To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: LTE chat Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Nov 1998, CyberDuke wrote: > On Howard Stern show: > > > Mike: Stern bashed us on the show for about 10 minutes once. > > What was this? Any more info? :) PLEASE! > When the Howard Stern show comes back from commercial, they always play snippets of heavy songs to segue back into the show. A lot of the times Howard drums his hands, comments on the songs, or sings along with his Robert Plant/Led Zep "ah-ah-ahhhhhhhhhhh-ahhh" impression. Well a couple of times, a few months after the Awake release, they would use the intro to the Mirror/"Puppies on Acid" section. Each time, Howard would say, "MAN! This rocks...." and start banging along to it. Anyway, one of those times, he asked Fred who is was, and Fred replied, "Dream Theater." Howard said, "cool, do we have any more of their stuff", so they started playing portions of the songs. So, they start with "The Mirror" and he was getting into it, then the keyboard part came in, and he was like, "ugh, keyboards, that's so gay" or something to that effect. He then started going into the beginnings of the other songs, starting with 6:00, etc. Each time, keys would come in, and he would skip to the next. The funny part was that he mentioned that the drummer rocks (go MP!) that the keys were gay, and that he wonders if anyone sings on the damn CD. Basically, it ended up with Howard and Robin bagging on the CD, saying that it was cool, but then turned out to be really lame. This, based on about a total of 1:35 listening to the entire CD - typical Howard. It was pretty funny, but I wish he was able to listen to it a bit more. I actually thought of sending in 15 seconds clips of DT songs for them to pick from to play in those segments, esp. Met. when the drums kick in after the intro....that would be awesome. Maybe I'll still do it..... Anyway, that's the long version of the story, Al ===================================================================== b l i n d l a b o r s t h e b l i n d a n d I a m u n w i l l i n g t o u n c o v e r m y e y e s ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ email_address_removed OR email_address_removed OR email_address_removed HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:50:35 -0600 From: "Brian D. Hayden" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: hall of fame inductees? Message-ID: Responding to the message of from email_address_removed: > I've never heard a Bruce Springsteen song that did anything for me except > give me an irresistable urge to yawn. He's an overhyped nothing as far as > I'm concerned. I'd be willing to listen to anybody that has proof of any > talent that he has that I've overlooked. His talent isn't in instrumental pyrotechnics. His talent is in his lyrics first and the ebb and tide of the instrumentation in his songs. The lyrics, in my opinion, perfectly capture the feeling of an average American, both the young in his early work and the slightly older in his later stuff. With the music, he's great at creating moods, climaxes. Check out 'Born to Run' for an example. -Brian "You can't start a fire worryin' about your little world fallin' apart." - Bruce Springsteen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:03:06 -0500 (EST) From: Anna Stiglic To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4419 Message-ID: hey guys!!! i was just checking my email on yahoo, and i happened to notice the little cdnow advertisement on the logout page that lists the top ten sellers....and right up there with Sheryl Crow, Hole and Marilyn Manson is our beloved DREAM THEATER (once in a livetime) at #6!!! this made my day...i just wanted to let everyone share my joy. :) have a good one... Anna:) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:14:47 -0800 From: "Dave Thomas" To: Subject: Stern and DT (was RE: LTE chat) Message-ID: <001d01be0f31$7f6210e0$de4756ce@p5-150> While Stern once ripped on DT, they still use the beginning of The Mirror for a bumper. One time awhile back, Stern commented that when the gates of Hell finally opened on Earth, this is the music that would be playing. I thought that was kind of amusing. I've heard him make positive comments about it a couple of times since then. I still think the band should go into the studio and play. A few live DT tunes should change Stern's opinion of how "gay" the band sounds. And no matter what, Stern is really the only reason to have a radio these days, as the odds of hearing a good song on the radio are about as likely as the Philadelphia Eagles making a stunning comeback and advancing to the Superbowl... Dave Thomas - Editor Pixel Planet - Reviews of Books, Games, Comics, CDs, Movies, CG Software, Programming Tools And More! http://www.pixelplanet.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:25:37 -0500 From: Lobsterback To: email_address_removed Subject: "LIVE in the USA!" Message-ID: >So, you probably don't know many albums, because there's a HUGE >amount of albums out there called Live in USA (for instance, the first one >that springs to mind is King Crimson's). Perhaps, but very few of them are recent releases, and even less are in the 'metal' category. Metal bands tend to record live albums overseas where the crowds are *much* louder. My roomate has an unusual skill -- I can be playing any bootleg and, based on crowd noise alone, he can identify it as being European. Believe it or not. Brian "Ripley" Henderson =================================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: email_address_removed ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ His Faithful Bootleg Page: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/Musik/Boot/ =================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:39:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Daniel L. Diamond" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: LTE chat Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, Al Balkiewicz wrote: > Howard would say, "MAN! This rocks...." and start banging along to it. > Anyway, one of those times, he asked Fred who is was, and Fred replied, > "Dream Theater." Howard said, "cool, do we have any more of their stuff", > so they started playing portions of the songs. > > So, they start with "The Mirror" and he was getting into it, then > the keyboard part came in, and he was like, "ugh, keyboards, that's so > gay" or something to that effect. He then started going into the > beginnings of the other songs, starting with 6:00, etc. Each time, keys > would come in, and he would skip to the next. The funny part was that he > mentioned that the drummer rocks (go MP!) that the keys were gay, and that > he wonders if anyone sings on the damn CD. I remember hearing something similar to this sometime this summer on the Howard Stern show. It was probably the same time, but there was something I distinctly remember that you didn't mention. They were playing the beginning of "The Mirror" and Howard said that it sounded satanic or something, with the rhythmic guitar work. He also said he felt like sacrificing a cat. I thought that was pretty funny. Daniel Diamond ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:12:30 -0000 From: "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Importance of Lyrics Message-ID: <83E9BD6E053FD111B35A0000F6093E27BE5ABA@LON01XBCAPGE> Recently, several people were saying they didn't much care about the lyrics in DT and other songs. I was having this discussion with the Ptacek in May. Chris asked if James just hummed, would I be satisfied? This is what I wrote back: Actually, I do almost take that position. I like James because his voice sounds like an instrument. Hell, if he's not using his I&W voice, I can't tell what he's singing anyway. I don't need DT's lyrics to be as profound as William Blake. In fact I've been thinking about this since you wrote, and I think my ideal lyrics would be something like Rainbow's 'Man on the Silver Mountain.' First, I love that thick, taut, chunky guitar sound (why does Ritchie always speed it up and change the phrasing when he plays it live?) and that's the main thing for me. With the lyrics, Ronnie James Dio isn't being very deep - 'I'm a wheel, I'm a wheel, I can roll, I can feel' is not going to win the next Nobel prize for literature. But there are phrases which evoke visions in me - I can see a video in my head. 'Come down with fire / Lift my spirit higher / Someone's screaming my name / Come and make me holy again / I'm the man on the silver mountain' These make me think of the Burning Bush, all the legends of Seers and lone prophets I've ever heard of, Jesus in the wilderness, the Temptation of Saint Anthony, Stefan George, St Jerome... This is in all probability stuff that RJD never thought about and isn't in the lyrics themselves, but they evoke things in me... He's not trying to attain poetic status with his lyrics (I hope). He's pulling levers in me that make the song entertaining, but the lyrics don't contribute much to its artistic quality really, however interesting his talent is in evoking stuff in listeners. If Ronnie was singing the weather forecast, I'd still like the song. Flames anyone? (/me descends to 20,000 feet and dons asbestos suit) Oh, and for those who are interested, there's an interview with Lars Ulrich in The Times today. It's on the website www.the-times.co.uk , but you have to register, which is boring. And I'd like to hazard a guess at the Ice Queen's identity...AnalogGal? Can you enlighten? Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 98 12:23:25 -0800 From: Andrew Embler To: "A daily dose of Ytsejam..." Subject: Re: Geddy Lee is a scalper? Message-ID: >Doesn't that scalper look a little bit like....Geddy Lee? The >forehead looks a bit smaller and his eyes look a little bigger, >but that could be because of the expression he has on his face... > >Anyways, I thought I'd throw that out there for you all. I'm fairly certain its him. :-) Look at his t-shirt. It's the Different Stages tinkertoy. If you look at the picture on the inside of the CD, from the old Hammersmith show, you can see a tinkertoy Different Stages thing on the right side of the stage. Rush is great. Andrew email_address_removed +-------------------------------------------------------+ |Andrew Embler : .<>. email_address_removed .<>.| |W e b s i t e : http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~aembler/ | +-------------------------------------------------------+ People who think of videos as an art form are probably the same people who think Cabbage Patch Dolls are a revolutionary form of soft sculpture. -FZ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:50:31 -0600 From: Brad Plumb To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: LTE chat Message-ID: > They were playing the >beginning of "The Mirror" and Howard said that it sounded satanic or >something, with the rhythmic guitar work. He also said he felt like >sacrificing a cat. I thought that was pretty funny Hey they didn't call the song Puppies on Acid for nothing.. the song gets even darker with lyrics. DT making corporate radio with something other than I&W songs... wow!=20 BrAd PlUmB Co-President of NARF (North Houston Anime Resistance Force) If you live in Houston and you like anime check us out! =20 Homepage Address: http://home.earthlink.net/~palpatine=20 NARF Homepage: http://students.ou.edu/T/Joshua.R.Tompkins-1/narf/ "Can't you hear the screaming? The horrible screaming that men call silence?" -Werner Hertzog, Das R=E4tzel von Kaspar Hauser "Thank God I'm an aetheist" -Luis Bunel "What an incredible smell you've discovered" -Han Solo, Star Wars: A New= Hope "High School's much better than Junior High, people still call you names but they don't do it as much to your face." -Welcome to the Dollhouse=20 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 04:10:17 +0700 From: "Dick" To: "Ytse" Subject: Indonesian cover Message-ID: <000a01be0f4a$2d399ea0$message_id_removed.id> Mr Bungle wrote: >> I have some new mp3s on my DT covers site, such as covers from the italian Onde Rock (their whole live set from DT day in Italy +Perfect Strangers and YYZ), covers from Infinity, an Indonesian (!!!) band, Peruvian Skies, Universal Mind solo part, etc. Check them out at http://www.dtcovers.frag.hu and please, please record some covers, I know there is a lot of talented musician on the jam! >> WHAT....? Indonesian band cover DT? wooohooo, I know it, DT must be very popular here... But why there's no sign of OiaLT here yet , at least Spock's The Kindness of Stranger and SG's Tyranny just been released here though... BTW, all the 3 Spock's album released here are under license from Victor Entertaintment Japan, (Angra's and Impelliteri too), that kinda strange? And anybody here know the band DJAM KARET? And, oh, Mr Korg can I get the same shipment that Dr Mosh got, maybe you can FedEx it here to my country.... Later then jammers, Dick Indonesian Jammer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:04:16 PST From: "Max Verran" To: email_address_removed Subject: FREEDOM OF MUSIC! Message-ID: Thomas Forcier SAID: >>>First off: why is Stick It Out even on here? Can I get a show of hands of who thinks this is superior to either Double Agent or ColdFire? Nobody? Yeah, I thought so...<<< Here's one. I think it's better than Double Agent, even though DA DOES rock out, but Stick It Out just kicks major ass and has a REALLY cool drive. Macht. :) >>>Also, I understand the cycle of live albums and how the album right after the last live album is always underrepresented, but Presto deserved more songs on here than this. And like we needed another live version of CttH, or Tom Sawyer, TSoR,etc.<<, Well, I might normally agree with you if Presto didn't suck except for 1 song which would be 'Scars'. That one rocks. But the album is not even like Rush at all. They regain vitality with RTB, Counterparts rules, and TFE is kind of weak too. But I may never even get Presto, unless I just HAVE to have Scars... But I do agree about new versions of (well, at LEAST) Tom Sawyer and Spirit Of Radio (God. I love that song!). "One likes to believe in the freedom of music"... John Case SAID: >>>I think James should not have sung so well on Images and Words in the Studio, cause now I'm going to be disappointed when he sings and itdoesn't live up to the superior singing on that best CD EVER. I don't think any band could ever replicate Images and Words, not even Dream Theater, unfortunately.<<< But why would they want to clone it? Oh yeah, I'm one of the morons who thinks FII is better. OK, I'll shut up. :) Somebody else ... SAID: [SEE? It's BORING!] >>>about Billy Joel getting hit by a fucking truck, I want you to think of one >thing. Ever hear the song Angry Young Man? Now, tell me this. If you ever >heard that song, or some of his other early unreleased shit, why wouldyou >say that? Yes, his later works do have a bad taste for me, but Billywas my >piano god until I met the likes of prog keyboardists, so back off.<<< I think he was just pissed Rush didn't get in. Billy Joel didn't get in because of any unreleased stuff, so I don't care if he gets hit or not. The only cool song that _I_ know he did was "We didn't start the fire"... Now that I've said all that, I will respond to this post. The Almighty O ranted and spewed lies about Kenneth Starr while castrating his dog in the bathroom: >>>"Some big 'O' pillaged and" blah blah BLAH BLAH BLAAAHH! I tell you what, Maxie man, you're cool, but you don't have to prove it all the fuckin' time. It will just be embarrassing when you run out of ideas... so why don't you make it a habit: "John Doe wrote:"...<<< Dude, I'm sorry if you take it personally. It's just a bunch of crap; I don't mean anything by it. Sorry if it upsets you that bad. But others do it and nobody cares. It's just too boring to put "said: said: said: said: said: said: said:" all the time. And so what if I start running out of ideas? Sometimes it's a little slow (and I was thinking of chilling it anyway), but I'm stupid enough to never run out. I just make up something stupid. Lighten up, dude. I think pretty much everyone here is cool, and I'm just being dumb anyway. You don't HAVE to read it. But I'm a moron and I think it's funny. So :-p! -maXimus Moronicus - Yipe yipe! NP: Nikki Brooks - Dreams To Nightmares Depeche Mode - The Singles 86>98 Dream Theater - Once In A LIVEtime ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4421 **************************