YTSEJAM Digest 4403 Today's Topics: 1) Royal Hunt-Moving Target, is it worth buying??? by email_address_removed 2) Jeff Campitelli should get a 2-piece kit with a hi-hat and a cras by David Dixon 3) Korg interjects some (gasp) moral discussion surrounding (gasp) Metallica. by "McClure Engineering" 4) New Metallica Review for Roger, Tyranny/CiS Comparison by email_address_removed 5) *The Doc and Metallica* QUIT IT! by Stefan Eriksson 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4402 by Bobby Tufino 7) re: "A Time to Rut" (MoL) by Brian Hansen 8) ROYAL HUNT TAB'S ? by "Matija" 9) NDTC (It's a secret. . .) by email_address_removed 10) rolling on the floor laughing my ass off: by email_address_removed 11) Doc is like a rash... by Jon Kretschmer 12) Re: NDTC (It's a secret. . .) by jOHN jENS 13) First Aussie with OiaL.... by "s1337866" 14) Re: Doc is like a rash... by James Thorpe 15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4399 by "s1337866" 16) Death metal by Rogerio Brito 17) Campitelli by Kyle McCabe 18) Savatage feature... by "Alex O'Connell" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 17:17:57 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Royal Hunt-Moving Target, is it worth buying??? Message-ID: I have Age of Impact and Tyranny, both on which D.C. cooper sings on, and his voice is so cool!!! I was wondering if he sounds like that on moving target by Royal hunt, and if the music is quality too. You can just e-mail the results rather that wasting YtseJam space! Thanks! "I couldn't give you up any sooner than have my limbs torn off of me," -a fourteen year-old girl TonyC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 15:27:54 -0700 From: David Dixon To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Jeff Campitelli should get a 2-piece kit with a hi-hat and a cras Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C960564980907F@messaging> < Satriani needs to get a real drummer instead of a functional one. Although I am somewhat biased on this subject (being a drummer), just look at what Mike Mangini does on Fire Garden. Too bad he didn't have Gregg Bissonnette (are all the consonants in his name doubled except the B?) this time. Jeff Campitelli has good time but no feel, ya know? > Good call! I've been trying to figure out how to say that for a long time (ever since the '97 G3 tour), and you took the unformed words right off the tip of my tongue. Jeff can rip it up, but he NEVER does, except in the last two measures of songs (and these aren't on ANY of the recordings!), but he's usually just way too restrained for Satch's music. Crystal Planet would be a great album, but the drumming on it is really dry, and it detracts from the songs a lot (I'm used to MP throwing in those extraneous twelfth-note fills - I'm spoiled as hell). I love Mangini, Deen Castronovo, and all of Steve Vai's other drummers (especially his kick-ass (I mean cheap-ass) drum machine on the OLD shit :) ), and wish Joe would get a drummer that suited his style (NO MORE EXCLUSIVE HI-HAT/SNARE/KICK). Bissonnette did a much better job on "Time Machine"'s live disc... David Dixon Internet Developer Integrated Information Systems, Inc. email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 15:34:26 -0700 From: "McClure Engineering" To: Subject: Korg interjects some (gasp) moral discussion surrounding (gasp) Metallica. Message-ID: <002501be090c$77f11b60$0201010a@chuck> >chants. Nobody who says they sold out at Load has a case. At the Black >Album I can see your point, but I sure as hell don't agree.... What the hell is it with you people who sit here and wag the dog over Metallica all the time anyway? Let me throw something into the pool here. Me: personally I don't like Load and beyond, but really enjoy everything in Metallica's previous backlog. My little brother: loves Load, and likes some old Metallica stuff. Me: I bought Load and didn't like it. Solution: I give my Load CD to my little brother, I feel good about supporting my little bro in whatever he chooses to listen to, my little brother scored big on a CD he kept borrowing from me, and my little brother turns it around and gets me hooked on the Dave Matthew's Band. Moral: What the hell does it matter where Metallica takes their music as long as someone likes it? Is it really worth it trying to enforce your opinion on another person even though you know damn well it will only reinforce their own? Rather, I feel it is much better to support others in what they wish to listen to and keep an open mind about it. You never know, it's likely that they'll do the same for you. -- KorgX3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 17:36:47 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: New Metallica Review for Roger, Tyranny/CiS Comparison Message-ID: Howdy all - Well, it seems that the mighty Metallica debate has reared its ugly head again. Anyway, this whole big nasty mess started with Roger's initial question about the new Metallica album. Well, as someone mentioned, the album itself won't be released until the 24th, but as I type this, the brand new single is ending on my stereo (and you can bet that the tape player was recording!). It's a cover of Bob Seger's AWESOME tune "Turn the Page". Now, I have always loved this song, but 'Tallica's version is OUTSTANDING! They spiced up a relatively laid-back tune, and it really rocks. Anyway, I won't get into that whole "they suck" or "they don't suck" debate, cuz this isn't the forum for this. But, to answer Roger's question, at least the first new cover on the album is absolutely GREAT! :-) In regards to the "Tyranny" vs. "Carved In Stone" comparison/debate, my wife has always claimed Shadow Gallery to be "wussy" based on her exposure to CiS and their first album. However, she has since fallen in love with Tyranny and admits that it is worlds better than CiS. To put it in perspective, she is a big Queensryche, DT, Fates Warning, and Stratovarius fan. So, while it is a SAFE bet that if you don't like CiS, you won't like Tyranny, it certainly is not a SURE bet. For what it's worth, I say give "Tyranny" a shot. IMHO, it's the best album I've heard this year so far by A LOT. 'Nuff said for now. See ya.... Matt T. NP: Metallica "Turn the Page" (The Tape Playback!! :-) ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 23:42:18 +0100 From: Stefan Eriksson To: email_address_removed Subject: *The Doc and Metallica* QUIT IT! Message-ID: OK, I was under the impression that Skadz had made it very clear what is expected of every 'jammer here on the list. It doesn't seem to help. Now, "the Doc" is obviously on this list in order to give everyone a hard time. So, please everyone, from now on we all ignore whatever the Doc say. If you feel upset or have a need to respond - do it privately. If this sad person feels he need to post here, let him do it AND IGNORE HIM. And I beg our Skadz: Please remove anyone from the list who post about this subject one more time. Yours Stefan ______________________________________________ Stefan Eriksson e-mail: email_address_removed "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." -Frank Zappa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 18:08:01 -0500 From: Bobby Tufino To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4402 Message-ID: So, what band did a Lovecraft concept album? Bobby > >As far as Lovecraft goes, the (formerly) mighty Met has done two > >Lovecraft-inspired songs "Call of Ktulu" and "The Thing That Should Not > >Be". > > I was actually making a rhetorical question re: the Lovecraft thing. I'm > well aware of the two songs mentioned there. What I meant was "there aren't > many bands that do anything based on Lovecraft's stuff and especially not > an entire concept album devoted to it". > > ta, > Phil > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 15:18:27 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen To: email_address_removed Subject: re: "A Time to Rut" (MoL) Message-ID: Old Farmer McEcksthrey observed: > Mosh lurks for eons and as soon as the M word is uttered he > creeps forth from his dark hole to spread his poison across the land. I love it. :) Is there any more evidence needed that the "season" has arrived? Dr. Mosh has crawled out of his cave and is now wildly swinging his verbal club, preparing for mating contests which will grant him prime territory near the stage in which to gather a herd of fine females. Unfortunately for the good Doctor, this particular form of mating ritual has not proven successful. It's approximately 40,000 years out of date. But this was expected by researchers when they thawed him out of the glacial ice in which he'd been frozen all that time. After several blows to the ego and to polite ytsedom in general, Stickmaster D. inquired: > This a serious question to all 'Jammers..... >>>>Do we want a guy like that on our ML??? > Dear Skadz (Ytsejam Moderator)... Is it possible to remove this person from > the list??? You must be convinced this is ain't funny anymore..... The gentle Doc is above the law. Any attempts to censor him will result in several more blows to your cd collection. Don't fight it, resistance is futile. And finally "Max Verran" asked: > So I hear now is the human mating season? Does that explain all the > spice on the jam in the last week? Can there be any doubt? Isn't this fun?, BH _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 21:31:53 -0300 From: "Matija" To: "ytse jam mailinglist" Subject: ROYAL HUNT TAB'S ? Message-ID: <002d01be0914$afd01c40$18710ed1@matiasfr> WHERE I CAN FIN ROYAL HUNT TAB'S? Please ,reply!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 18:28:49 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: NDTC (It's a secret. . .) Message-ID: Pssssst, This is a secret. Spread this around to everyone except for John Glenn: When John Glenn returns from space, everybody dress in ape suits... pass it on. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 19:01:35 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: rolling on the floor laughing my ass off: Message-ID: <> ROTFLMAO _____Nikki______________________ ~~Through Nature's Inflexible Grace~~ ~~I'm Learning to Live. --J. Myung~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 17:29:30 -0800 From: Jon Kretschmer To: email_address_removed Subject: Doc is like a rash... Message-ID: >From: "Dennis Leeflang" >-The Doc>>>>> > > >This a serious question to all 'Jammers..... >>>>>Do we want a guy like that on our ML??? >Don't think so... He's got no respect for any band, person whatsoever.... > >Dear Skadz (Ytsejam Moderator)... Is it possible to remove this person from >the list??? You must be convinced this is ain't funny anymore..... You are kidding right? This is hilarious. Dino is like a bad smell, you can't get rid of him : ) We know you are relatively new Stickmaster D. Perhaps before suggesting that a Ytsejam vet get kicked off the list he helped create (I am a bit rusty on my Ytse-history), you should probably find out who he is. Doc, for better or worse, is here to stay. And besides, if he stays, you can bug the shit out of him to get you backstage at some of the CA shows... Back to your regularly scheduled Metallica-bashing. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 20:50:31 -0600 (CST) From: jOHN jENS To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: NDTC (It's a secret. . .) Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Nov 1998 email_address_removed wrote: |Pssssst, This is a secret. Spread this around to everyone except for John |Glenn: | |When John Glenn returns from space, everybody dress in ape suits... yeah, and we'd better get a start on burying the Statue of Liberty in sand...not much time left. -- john jens + email_address_removed + http://www2.webzone.net/~jjens ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 13:25:06 EST+10000 From: "s1337866" To: email_address_removed Subject: First Aussie with OiaL.... Message-ID: Maybe by default.... Mine arrived about then but I wasn't expecting it until about another week..... So i did a token mailbox check, not looking for OiaL, and lo and behold....there it was in all it's glory..... This resulted in a quick change of my "going to the movies" plan and I settled i for a night of tunes.... Overall i'm totally stoked....it's an excellent album.....jaaaaaaaammmmmeeessss is excellent, Derek too - though his solo is a little short I thought....still good.....JP, MP and JM nees no acclaim OiaL has really made me appreciate the FII songs - TOT, JLMB, LITS, TAMP, HY, PS.....They seem to work much better live..... Anyway, enough rambling.... touche (sp?), Mr. Bateup.... :) Cheers Paul D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 19:34:58 -0800 From: James Thorpe To: Subject: Re: Doc is like a rash... Message-ID: <001101be0936$7058bbe0$68a4d6d0@multimedia> > >You are kidding right? This is hilarious. Dino is like a bad smell, you >can't get rid of him : ) > Dino just hasn't been the same ever since Ginger left the band. :( :P peace, --james-- www.jamesthorpe.com email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 13:45:21 EST+10000 From: "s1337866" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4399 Message-ID: > Well, that's because I still believe they'll put a concert with > "Dyer's Eve". That's why. :-) heh heh....could anyone tell me what this songs about?? The surname thing and all.... Also wondering if I'm any relation to Lawrence the lighting guy from the Touring into Infinity shows...:) > > Ok for the more knowledgeable napalm death fans ive got a question, > > does barney uses Fx for his vocals? I mean, im used to growling ( I > > love My dying bride ( old stuff and new ) Tiamat ( old stuff and new > > ) Opeth, Cynic... but Barney's vocals sound much more mechanic or > > What?!? Opeth and Cynic in the same sentence? Carlos, what a good > taste, man... :-) Ye gods!! : ) > > "fake" than any of those other singers... any insight? > > Ok, kidding aside, I don't think he uses any effects in his > vocals. If you have the "Uncovered" bootleg, pay attention when James says > something like "They'll play the fun songs: Metallica". Then, Barney says > a really low "Noise!", testing his microphone. I believe that that's his > voice, since I can perfectly understand all the syllables. i was under the impression that almost all death style singers use some degree of reverb etc....but not total voice changing effects..... > BTW, if you want to listen to a cool death metal "singer", check > out Deicide's last studio album, "Serpents of the Light". Glenn Benton's > vocals are incredible and the speed with which these guys play is > UNBELIEVABLE. I still don't know if those drums are real, but the > production of the album (if you can stand it) is excellent. If you want fast and gutteral....check out early Kataklysm - Temple of Knowledge....if you make it through the entire album your a true fucking legend....the sounds like a dog barking!! :) Cheers Paul D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 02:44:37 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Death metal Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Nov 1998, s1337866 wrote: > > Well, that's because I still believe they'll put a concert with > > "Dyer's Eve". That's why. :-) > > heh heh....could anyone tell me what this songs about?? The surname > thing and all.... This song is one of the fastest Metallica has ever played. And James sounds so pissed. The song is about a child that has grown tired of having his freedom limited by his parents. BTW, this whole album (AJFA) has a very dark feel, since its first song, "Blackened". Recommended, if you don't know it. > > Ok, kidding aside, I don't think he uses any effects in his > > vocals. If you have the "Uncovered" bootleg, pay attention when James says > > something like "They'll play the fun songs: Metallica". Then, Barney says > > a really low "Noise!", testing his microphone. I believe that that's his > > voice, since I can perfectly understand all the syllables. > > i was under the impression that almost all death style singers use > some degree of reverb etc....but not total voice changing > effects..... Hummm... I don't know. Some bands do sound like they have put some effects, but others don't. The more "screamed" vocals (At the Gates, In Flames, Dark Tranquillity) seem to be natural (well, at least I can scream like that for a good deal of time, while still maintaing the "quality"). The "cookie monster", deeper vocals are harder to accomplish (say, Amorphis, Deicide) and I think that they use some sort of effects. But after listening to Barney Greenway say that "Noise", I'm not so sure that all vocalists use effects. The man's gotta a real low voice (or there were effects involved since he started saying anything -- was this the cause he was testing the mike?) Anyway, other vocals which seem to be "true" include some of Dan Swano's on "Crimson" and Mikael Akerfeldt's on "Morningrise" or "Orchid"... Mikael *DID* use something on the first verse of "Demon of the Fall" (you know, the "Silent dance with death/Everything is lost/Torn by the arrival of Autumn/The blink of an Eye" part). At first, I didn't like it, but then I came to be used to it and now I think that it's essential to the feeling of the album, but one of my preferred parts of MAYH is, definitely, the instrumental "Epilogue". It gives me so many chills... > If you want fast and gutteral....check out early Kataklysm - > Temple of Knowledge....if you make it through the entire album your > a true fucking legend....the sounds like a dog barking!! :) Hummm... Nothing like being challenged. :-) I just went to check something about this band, and the most I could find was this: which is interesting, anyway. :-) Now, let's see if I can find some MP3 files, floating around the net... []s, Roger... P.S.: Well understood: some black metal shrieking is as humanly impossible as some cookie monster vocals... I'm just saying that the more shouted vocals are plausible without effects. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 23:03:19 -0600 From: Kyle McCabe To: Ytsejammers Subject: Campitelli Message-ID: >Jeff Campitelli has good >time but no feel, ya know? snip >Crystal Planet would be >a great album, but the drumming on it is really dry, and it detracts >from >the songs a lot snip Hmmm..I dunno. I kinda like his drumming on CP. Its neat, it grooves, it doesn't get in the way. Lots of fills don't really appeal to me...unless it's DT, then it fits right in. But Satch's music is much simpler, and doesn't seem to require many 12th note fills. Just my opinion though :) More groove, less chops. -Taur NP: absolutely nothing. And im loving it! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 00:13:59 -0500 From: "Alex O'Connell" To: email_address_removed Subject: Savatage feature... Message-ID: >check out
>http://www.amzmusiczine.com/07_98/featr12.htm
>for super cool savatage stuff.... on a "mainstream" music page :)
>op777

Kickass!!!  The reviewer coulda trimmed down telling the whole damn story a bit - how's about not spoiling everything for the folks you're recommending the album to - but it was pretty nifty to see a Sava feature.  I must say :)  I'm very gratified.  So are all my albums and posters.  Anyway.  I thought the interview with Jon at the bottom was a great add-on, although can you say "suckup" as far as the interviewer was concerned?  Hehe, it may be genuine, it just looked so weird sometimes...

and that's folks!
Alex
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