YTSEJAM Digest 4393 Today's Topics: 1) What to choose? by Brian Hansen 2) Looking for Petrucci audio instructional tape by "Vaughn, Brandon" 3) Live CDs, Marill10n by Chris Schulze 4) Re: What to choose? by Rick Audet 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4392 by Haje Jan Kamps 6) Lie single for sale! by Jon Kretschmer 7) keyboard playing elf ranger by yzzy 8) observations of oial by email_address_removed 9) Top 20 Results - Queensryche by ytse jam 10) Top 20 Results - The M-words by ytse jam 11) OiaL Case n stuff... by Kyle McCabe 12) RE: YTSEJAM digest 4391 by "Familia Mendez" 13) 5YiaL by Mike Pontrelli 14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4392 by Michael Torres 15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4392 ( the hick part ) by email_address_removed 16) Australian 'jammers........... by Chris Groves ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:13:18 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen To: email_address_removed Subject: What to choose? Message-ID: I'm thinking of picking up some cds, and I thought I'd look for some input. Anybody have an opinion on any of the following, like which ones would you get first (if at all)? Eldritch - Seeds of Rage Eternity X - The Edge Stratovarious - Visions Kamelot - Siege Perilous Micheal Romeo - The Dark Chapter Vanden Plas - The God Thing Payne's Gray - Kadeth Decoded Symphony X - Damnation Game Thanks for any input, BH _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:23:52 -0600 From: "Vaughn, Brandon" To: email_address_removed Subject: Looking for Petrucci audio instructional tape Message-ID: <41303F74D60DD111B56500609778A79C37CECA@chipola.cc.fl.us> Does anybody have the free instructional tape that came with the new Rock and Play unit from Ibanez? I have been looking to see if anyone has them in stock, and I can't find it anywhere . . . well, I can find it, but not with the Petrucci tape in it. Seems like they stopped running that promotional offer a few months ago. If anyone has it, I would appreciate any info on what it covers. Is it different than the video? Does he stress the features of the tape unit? Anyone willing to make me a copy? (Or for some trading?) Also, I would be interested in anyone's comments on the unit. I'm looking for something I can plug my guitar and keyboard into and practice with, while learning licks from tapes. Thanks for any info. Private response would probably make Skadz happy. The MadTabber vaughnb@chipola.cc.fl.us ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:32:28 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Schulze To: email_address_removed Subject: Live CDs, Marill10n Message-ID: Yo. Did anybody notice how everybody is pretty much happier with the live stuff than they have ever been with any other DT CD that I can remember being released? It=B4s funny how people accept much better the things that they know what to expect from. That=B4s what "commercial music" means - give the people what they expect, and sell a ton because everybody is going to like it. See, it even applies to prog fans. Don=B4t get me wrong. I like live CDs too, and I=B4d take a live DT CD over most other stuff any day of the week. I am a new stuff freak though, I need something I haven=B4t heard before. On a second note... I know I will get Marill10n=B4s Radiat10n when I get back to the US in a couple weeks, but now Itchy made me all curious, what did you mean with this CD being different from what they=B4ve done before? Different is a word that is like a mermaid=B4s chant to me, it really drags me closer :) And please, no "Marillion sucks" post, those are old by now. Like the "Ray Alder sucks" posts. Geez. Is there any band out there already called Dust 2 Dust? That=B4s what I=B4m thinking about calling my side project. No, it=B4s not religious-based, I just like the name. Ciao, KillMary _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:58:43 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: What to choose? Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Brian Hansen wrote: > I'm thinking of picking up some cds, and I thought I'd look for some > input. Anybody have an opinion on any of the following, like which > ones would you get first (if at all)? > > Eldritch - Seeds of Rage This sucks. > Eternity X - The Edge This really sucks. > Stratovarious - Visions This is pretty good. > Kamelot - Siege Perilous This is pretty good. > Micheal Romeo - The Dark Chapter This is okay. > Vanden Plas - The God Thing This kicks lots of ass. > Payne's Gray - Kadeth Decoded Only heard one tune (not necessarily from this album) and didn't care for it. > Symphony X - Damnation Game This kicks more ass than you could ever possibly imagine. Rick Audet San Francisco ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 23:08:56 +0100 From: Haje Jan Kamps To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4392 Message-ID: <363F7EF8.B69523CA@online.no> please take my son of this list. he will resubscribe when he returns from the hospital. Hielke Kamps ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 14:44:40 -0800 From: Jon Kretschmer To: email_address_removed Subject: Lie single for sale! Message-ID: Al the proctologist said: >So where do I look now? I like the technical prowess and lyrics of DT. >Mix that with the song writing of Fates and I'm there! So who now? Two words. Shadow Gallery. One more word. Tyranny. Two more words. Superior Younique. Hope that helps. >From: "Nafe, Tim" > Does anyone know where I can get the Lie and > Another Day singles? I'll sell you my Lie for $150 : ) Jon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 17:33:33 -0600 From: yzzy To: email_address_removed Subject: keyboard playing elf ranger Message-ID: ran into an elf ranger, Itlan, on the mud (Asgard's Honor) this afternoon. was really kewl to learn that he's Rich DellaPietra (keyboard player for "Images and Words" - a DT tribute band located in new york. i haven't had time to dl any of the sound clips, but, you shud visit their web site ( http://www.webcom.com/rdellapi/iw/ ) and vote for your favorite DT song. a lazy samurai ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:04:56 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: observations of oial Message-ID: wow....gotta say, it's been ages since i posted something substantial here. usually, i'm relegated to skimming through jams, and my, the names seem to have changed a lot. at this rate, i probably sound like a newbie. but anyway, thought i'd make my own comments about the cd i finally got from musicblvd.com (2 days late- so much for "guaranteed on the day of release"). generally, i think this does a great job of capturing what i think are the best and not-so-brilliant segments of dt. while we're reamed with almost 160 minutes of an insane performance, i think the sound could be better in some instances. i think this cd gives a glimpse of the future of dt, which is a good thing, i think. first off, the way the songs have changed over time (sometimes drastically chaged, even) is excellently captured here. it could be the simplest thing- like a new patch that derek plays some of his leads with, or something pretty severe like the sax (which i don't think sounds like an alto to me) on "tamp". but in a genre of music whose heaviest criticism is that it tends to be dated and grow stale quickly, these subtle changes are always welcome. 2nd, i want to say it. i know it's been said before. it seems to spur controversy. but whatever. don't like it? fuck you too. james' range is DEFINITELY on the decline. no doubt about it. i don't think we'll ever hear him scream some of those absurdly high notes on pmu like he used to back in 93, or even in 95. there were definitely some points on this album where i was thinking, "he shouldn't have tried that.....did he have to?" despite this sad and natural fact, i think it's going to be extremely interesting to see what he does with his voice in the future. i'd love to see how he responds to this sort of challenge. you never know- he might come up with a new melody to on old song like "uagm" that we'll all wet our pussies over. nevertheless, james was, is and always will be THE dt vocalist (i still die laughing in ttt when he sings, "and no one will save you this TIME-UH"). so no, none of this means that he sucks, but it's kinda like time to mature. 3rd- why derek is my keyboard hero: when i heard that kevin quit dt back in 94, i was heartbroken. who's going to take the lyric-writing duties? most importantly, where the hell are you going to get someone who can do what he was doing? when derek came into the mold, i was one of those guys who thought, "fuck- this guy played for alice. he can't cut this shit. he fucking sucks." i caught dt in the summer of 95, and right towards the end of "ltl", he fucked up that piano break, and i lost my mind. i was so mad, i might've yelled "derek you suck." all that shit about how i hated derek, and how dt will never be the same without kev.....gone. out the window. i'd gotten this vibe when i saw them for myself last year, but now that i can REALLY hear what he's doing...i dare say he's responsible for putting the fun back into playing prog-rock. from a guy who wears fur coats, whose sexual orientation has been debated, lava lamps, "eruption", "nicky lemons"? i don't think any of this would've worked with someone else. he reminds me that not all prog-rock is stuffy, anal, and inpenetrable to the outside world. and that piano thing before lines is....well...cute, to say the least. so was the keys part at the beginning (yes, i differentiated between piano and keys). 4) it was nice to hear the samples over the songs again. i can't think of the last time i heard the "voices" samples live. and i don't think i've EVER heard the ttt samples live, ever. btw- voices rocks my world. 5) speaking of voices, i found the vocals at the start of ttt interesting. was that porntoy ( i STILL can't resist that play on words- by the way, mikey- if you're even still on here, love the haircut. will you be my date for a night? would mrs. portnoy mind?) and petrucci (mad props to kiara)? anyway, i got a laught out of that. 6) i guess one thing (maybe it's a side-effect? i don't know how to characterize it) about putting the fun back in prog is that shit gets weirder. that whole ttt/freebird/moby dick thing was confusing to the point i wondered what the point of it was. this covers mixture lacked the cohesiveness of the shit they pulled off in peruvian skies. at least there, the references made total sense. i knew at least that have a cigar and sandman belonged. but i don't get that whole bit. 7) one thing i think i DO get is some of the cute references to OTHER songs nestled throughout the album. a) "only a matter of time" keyboard riff at about 3:00 of ttt b) a "xanadu" tribute at the beginning of "trial". you can't disagree. it's SOOOOOOO "xanadu". c) a very obscure reference to the intro to yes' "siberian khatru" at about 5:22 of the guitar solo. 8) i thought the drum sounds at the very beginning of lines were terrible. it's like, here's the other instruments sounding like a normal live instrument, and all of a sudden, you get "boonk!" in the background. it sounds like the drums were coming from the backstage groupie room or something. i felt like i was listening to a bootleg for a while there. 9) drum solo. while i thought it was amazing, i was thinking to myself, "hmm...last time a drum solo closed a side of a live album was tommy aldridge's solo after 'steal away the night' on the randy rhoads tribute." yawn. ho-hum. just think it could've been incorporated elsewhere, but this is de minimis, so i won't bitch about this. 10) this live album needed us to be reminded of what dt used to sound like- angry young men. thankfully, this wish was granted when they threw in ciaw and lie. that whole angry tone-thing going on, the 7-string action, those songs are perfect examples of that phase in dt's music (and yes, i think it's changed greatly from then- much more mature sounding, in some senses). 11) some songs i wish HAD been on this cd would've been nm, or 6:00. if i was controlling their fate, i would've commandeered them to get rid of jlmb to make room (only b/c i've never liked the song). it would've also been nice to have heard the full metropolis and ltl, but i can't always get my way. otherwise, i'd be in my apartment 24/7 with beautiful women constantly procuring sexual favors upon me, with the aid of tools like cigars and ben-wa balls. *sigh* also, that would've meant another 10 dollars on the cd price. i'll live. in all, it's a great live set. great dt album. great album, regardless. a couple of hundred more plays, and this might make my list of top 5 of 1998 (currently there are tori amos, marilyn manson- if only for the controversy, garbage, and i'm waiting to hear the new king's x, new live bowie, new live rush, and new nin). so there, that's that. be checking y'all out. wild koba ************************************************************************ david y. kobayashi new york law school email_address_removed http://www.mzachary.com/wildkoba "i bring truth and understanding. i bring wit and wisdom fair- precious gifts beyond compare." -n. peart ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:42:21 -0800 (PST) From: ytse jam To: email_address_removed Subject: Top 20 Results - Queensryche Message-ID: Well, it will probably come to no one's suprise that HitNF by QR didn't get any votes. But here's how the rest of the QR recordings faired: 1. 21 Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime 2. 10 Queensryche - Empire 3. 06 Queensryche - Promised Land 3. 03 Queensryche - Rage For Order 4. 01 Queensryche - The Warning All excellent recordings of course, but O:M will always be their masterpiece. (Although some may say that "Rage" was their most progressive, in the literal sense of the word.) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:54:54 -0800 (PST) From: ytse jam To: email_address_removed Subject: Top 20 Results - The M-words Message-ID: Just for fun, here's Metallica and Megadeth in the same list... 1. 13 Metallica - Master Of Puppets 2. 10 Metallica - ...And Justice For All 3. 07 Megadeth - Countdown To Extinction 4. 06 Megadeth - Rust In Peace 5. 04 Megadeth - Cryptic Writings 6. 04 Metallica - Ride The Lightning 7. 03 Metallica - Metallica 8. 02 Megadeth - Youthanasia 9. 02 Metallica - Reload 10. 01 Metallica - Garage Days Re-Revisited 11. 01 Metallica - Live Shit, Binge And Purge (The 3cd Concert) 12. 01 Metallica - Load "Countdown to Extinction" in the #1 Megadeth position? Is "Reload" really better then "Load"? Whatever happened to "Peace Sells..."? ;o) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 19:13:57 -0600 From: Kyle McCabe To: email_address_removed Subject: OiaL Case n stuff... Message-ID: I got mine a few days ago. The case has the little hinges inside. I think it's a great design. Know why? Cause I can get the cd's out and into my stereo(duh). I couldn't care less about the design. I just want the friggin music! >I laughed my fucking ass off!! And to all you politically correct >people dont get so fussy about it. It's just a fucking joke....enjoy >it. Amen. >Countdown to Extinction" in the #1 Megadeth position? WTF? >Is "Reload" really better then "Load"? Hell yes! >Whatever happened to "Peace Sells..."? Who's buying? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 06:13:44 -0600 From: "Familia Mendez" To: Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 4391 Message-ID: <01be07ec$916d7aa0$3b80eaa8@fammendez> Please stop mailing this kind of mail, because my brother went to live to the United State and he is not available to read your good mail. Thanks in his behalf. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 20:34:59 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Pontrelli To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: 5YiaL Message-ID: ARGH!!! Went to three different places.. and each orginally had 10 copies and ALL SOLD OUT! I had to plaec it on order! Amazing! See.. DT does NOTY have to cater to the masses.. they will gain popularity through their own sincere artistic expressions.. the honest way.. the only way to produce timeless classics. (which they already have many of). It seems all the very best bands took several years to get going.. Pink Floyd, Yes, Rush... It took a while for people to understand their works. It also took time for people to hear their works.. but I believe most people do not want to hear crappy thoughtless singles, but DO want to hear Epic pieces and timeless imagery. Unfortunately the media wont promote it.. so it takes time for people to hear it. But timeless classics are not soon forgotten, so those bands last 30 years and their music lasts forever (most *true* artwork is timeless). People will not remember your average radio hit, but they will remember Dream Theater, Tori, etc etc. sorry.. Take care.. and keep believing in the true artistic expression! -Ponte ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:40:16 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Torres To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4392 Message-ID: i was just wondering if Speak to Me was on any of the DT imports or bootlegs?? thanks mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 21:10:19 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4392 ( the hick part ) Message-ID: hey/...i just listened to Lynnard Skynnard's version of Sweet Home Alabama..its got that thumpy bass just like JM on IAW...im annoyed that on FII...no matter how high i play my CD player,...i just cant hear the bass as much on SHA> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 14:02:24 +1100 From: Chris Groves To: email_address_removed Subject: Australian 'jammers........... Message-ID: Someone asked abou Oz dollars and subscribing to the DTIFC; well, I doubt they'd accept our worthless, pissy little currency. :) Nah, last year, I walked into a travel agent and simply got ten pounds in cash; cost me somewhere around $20, I think...... plus your transaction fee, and stuff........... If you don't wanna send cash, you can get a bank draft, which cost like $10, but they're the same as a money order...... get them from your bank, or from any place that does cash currency exchanges, presumably....... Doing it in the foreign currency is certainly the way to go, however. :) On another Australian note, my local store was going to import OIALT, but then didn't (bastards!), coz they were told the local release is two or three weeks away....... anyone have a date for this?? Also, they said they had no info on the video, so does this mean we get shafted on the video again? I don't wanna have to import a fucking video, coz my LIT has been on order for ten months, and shows no sign of FUCKING ARRIVING. On a more pleasant note, said store also had a copy of the Platypus CD last week, so naturally I snapped that one up.... not bad, monsuiers, not bad........... After never being a huge King's X fan (I was told I listened to the wrong CDs), and not having heard Rod Morgenstein before, this CD was pretty good....... early favourite was "I'm With You" just for those fucking chorus harmonies....... now I think I've listened to that track too much..... :) Some of the instrumentals seem a little trite, but that's okay...... did I mention the slide solo in "Willie Brown" is one mean motherfucker? Derek is cool on this one, although the lack of noticeable bass on the CD is a bit of a worry..... only on one track did I suddenly go "oh yeah, John Myung plays on this!"........ heh. On anon-DT related note, I saw Japanese guitarist K. K. Null play live on Friday night...... cool as. :) If anyone gets the chance to see him, expect a total sonic onslaught..... the fucking SOUND, man...... his table of effects pedals and stuff amused me no end....... his entire 45 minute piece consisted of him whacking the back of the neck on his Stratocaster, to get the strings ringing, and then the overtones and stuff produced by TWO amps being run EXTREMELY fucking loud were then constantly manipulated with this truckload of effects...... Two highlights, the first being when he was getting a low-end drone happening, and then raised the guitar to his teeth, and got these fucking wicked schreeching tones over the top by dragging his teeth along the top string...... sound INCREDIBLE. Other favourite moment was when he walked over to his amp and adjusted the mid-range by a notch. HAHAHAHAHA. After inundating my girlfriend with Merzbow and Null CDs in anticipation of the big event, and her subsequently not looking forward to it at all, she rather enjoyed the gig, so that was nice. While I'm on the subject of her, I'd like brag abou her musical selections, which include Yes, Dream Theater, Megadeth (I hate the 'deth, but...................), Mr. Bungle, Frank Zappa, Primus, Napalm Death, as well as much of what I constantly inundate her with! :) I guess this is one girlfriend I can't complain about!!!!!!!!! :) One more thing, all you people need to buy "Bound By Fire" by Zimmer's Hole. If you've herad it, you should know why. It's the most sublime cross between first album Mr. Bungle and Strapping YOung Lad I have heard to date, and also proves that tiolet humour will never NOT be funny. The end. Seeya! Chris Groves. email_address_removed.au "And you hate me.... because of my lazy eye" ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4393 **************************