YTSEJAM Digest 4389 Today's Topics: 1) Re: In Praise of MP by Bungle 2) italian? by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" 3) 5YiaLT/Phish/Top 20 by The I-Man 4) A long one... by "NGA" 5) Re: Bogsters fake interview by Manuel 6) re: OIAL cases n stuph by jOHN jENS 7) UaGM / Scarred by Joe DeAngelo 8) Re: Funny things in 5YiaL by email_address_removed 9) Re: Rare MTV Interview with Portnoy -- WTF?!? by "Dennis Leeflang" 10) DT CDs WANTED by Nick Bogovich 11) Online CD companies by Rick Barkhouse 12) OiaL in the UK by Graham Borland 13) Re: Bernie Versailles' solos, a 'do it yourself' explanation by Phil Carter 14) Bogie's bogus interview by The I-Man 15) OiaL, 5YiaL by "Jeremy Kube" 16) EVENT-Innovative Progressive Rock by email_address_removed 17) Yet another OIAL review (kinda long) by Carlos Alfaro ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 14:10:45 +0100 From: Bungle To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: In Praise of MP Message-ID: > Supwitchall-- > Just something funny: last night I was letting a friend hear DT for the > first time, and I chose I&W because I wanted to blow his mind with the > middle of Metropolis. As we were listening, he asked, "Do they have two > drummers?" > I got a real kick out of that. On ACOS I think there is a drum overdub at some parts. At least as I hear it... Did MP really record some extra tracks? Any opionion? Mr. 420? Bungle (not a drummer) P.S. I can say it exactly which part I hear the overdub when I'm at home... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 05:11:09 PST From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" To: email_address_removed Subject: italian? Message-ID: >regarding other progressive bands. Recently I picked up the Power of >Omens - Eyes of the Oracle, an Italian progressive band singing in >English which really blowed me away. Their album has long songs (one >lasting about yeah, i really love those Italian bands from Texas.....give Power of Omens a shot anyway, even if I never got the disc their vocalist told me he was sending along (i need to buy this album, and soon) partha ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 08:11:34 -0500 From: The I-Man To: DT Mailing List Subject: 5YiaLT/Phish/Top 20 Message-ID: Just wanted to say thanks to Mike for the explanations about the Vid. I think it's great! Regarding the WOWOW material, I for one was not at all disappointed by the inclusion these vids since I hadn't seen them before. I'm just sheltered I guess! Question: On my copy, the sound drops out very briefly in a number of places including the production video of Silent Man (weird), is this just my copy or is this a problem with all of the tapes? About Phish. I saw them in August with some friends who are big fans. I took them to see DT and they took me to see Phish. Let's just say that our tastes in music are pretty different since I didn't think any more of Phish than they thought of OFB. I will say this about the Phish concert though, DT's sound man could take some lessons from the guy who did the sound for that show. All of the instruments were clean and clear with no one instrument standing out or too laid back. I sure John M and Derek would kill for that kind of mix. Both DT shows I saw on this latest tour (Vanderbilt's and Irving Plaza) had sub par sound by comparison, IMO. I thought JM was buried and would apply Damon's comment about Derek's inconsistent levels on the vid, which is consistent with what I heard live. From what I'm reading here, sounds like I should expect the same from the new CD. I would love to be able to judge for myself, but IT'S FREAKING MONDAY ALREADY AND CDNOW STILL HASN'T DELIVERED MY FREAKING CD YET!!! ARGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Sorry, I'm calmed down now. I actually took the time to try and come with a top 20 list. I don't know how many of you bothered, but that was harder than shit, man. Between DT, Rush, Yes, and Dixie Dregs I could easily have completed the 20. I guess if was to be stranded on a desert island with only 20 CDs I wouldn't have much variety. Any way, I assumed that wasn't the purpose of the exercise and limited those bands to about 10 entries so that I could include some other much deserving stuff. I guess what I'm saying is that there's a lot of great music out there and this poll actually got me thinking, "You know, I should listen to more of the other great music I own besides just my few favorite groups." Looking forward to see how the poll turned out and hoping enough of you submitted a top 20 list to make it statistically meaningful. I'm done now, I hope I haven't hurt anyone's feelings this time ; ) I-Man ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 14:59:01 +0100 From: "NGA" To: Subject: A long one... Message-ID: <002901be0668$f1c77a20$message_id_removed.de> Hi all quite a lot to get through in this one, so let's start with the Spock's Beard gig in Offenbach, Germany, last night. Enchant were the support band. They seem to be competent musicians, especially the drummer, but I found the songs to be about as interesting as watching paint dry. The guys appear to think that they are a prog band and that means stretching each song to at least 10 minutes, even if the ideas behind the song are exhausted after just 3 minutes. I retired to the bar for the duration. Then came Spock's Beard. It was the second time I'd seen them, so I knew roughly what to expect, but it's almost impossible for me to tell you just how frigging excellent these guys were. I've rarely seen so many people smiling at a concert before, both on the stage and in front of it. From the first second both the band and the audience were fully into the gig. The most obvious thing about the band is Neal Morse. He writes excellent songs, is a brilliant live performer and has fantastic stage presence without being pushy - he just belongs center-stage front. I often had the impression he looked like he would start telling jokes. Musically, the lads were as tight as a duck's arsehole (which is widely known to be water-tight), all songs being delivered perfectly, and possibly just a touch rockier and heavier than on the albums. Ryo Okumoto's antics would pose a serious threat for Derek, and Dave Meros sounded so much like Chris Squire that it was frightening (that Rickenbacker bass sound is just so good). Nick D'Virgilio's drumming skills are being wasted when he plays for Genesis - he has a fine touch that a lot of drummers simply don't have, and Alan Morse rounded everything off perfectly. But it was so obvious that the guys were having a real ball up there, and this enthusiasm jumped across to the audience, who passed it back to the band, who passed it back... This was one of the most memorable live performances that I've seen by any band ever. Period. Neal's piano went out for a couple of minutes and he entertained us while it was being repaired by playing Horizons and bits of Supper's Ready. Other highlights included Thoughts, including all the weird vocal sections and the first encore of Squonk with Nick singing and Neal on drums. On a scale of 1 to 10 this gig went off scale - a truly wonderful and memorable evening. If this band ever play somewhere near you, you owe it to yourself to do everything in you power to get to see them. It was also nice to see the boys from Vanden Plas there, too (unofficial news straight from Andy's mouth - we can expect a new album in the spring of 99). Those of you who were pissed off with me for not buying "Once In a Livetime" can now sleep peacefully, knowing that the members of Dream Theater and their families will not be thrown onto the streets, because my girlfriend bought the album for me. Still don't like Hollow Years, though. Some of you are getting worried because you got copies of the live album with "for promotional use only" or what ever stamped across them. Moonspell did the same with their last album, and it was done with a purpose. The owners of these CDs were then eligible to take part in special tour competions. Perhaps Mike and his band of jolly pranksters are doing the same. Review of My Dying Bride's excellent new album "34.788 %...Complete" will follow shortly. (For the guy who asked, yes, "Heroin Chic" is censored on my version as well) And did I mention that Mika Hakkinen rules? stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: New Order - Substance 1987 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 15:00:53 +0100 From: Manuel To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Bogsters fake interview Message-ID: hey there! hmmm, its ok to tell jokes, but to be honest i didnt find it funny. especially the AIDS part of the interview is something really stupid. Bogie, its not funny making jokes of a disease such as AIDS. damn, maybe im just too fuckin serious but i found it disgusting. nevermind, Bog still rocks! :) NP:Dream Theater OnceinaLIVEtime --------- download my ingenious demo at http://www.users.cloud9.net/~textral/dryheat.html Dryheat (...in Houston they say that?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 08:27:15 -0600 (CST) From: jOHN jENS To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: OIAL cases n stuph Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Oct 1998, Phil Carter wrote: |Jon K. says: |>HOW gingerly I handle it. |>Great discs guys, but terrible cases. : ) |Hell, at least it's better than the double-case for Fates Warning's "Still |Life". When I opened that thing up, I had to believe I had already broken |something. I open it up to get to CD #2 and it doesn't open, it FOLDS via a |plastic "hinge". What the hell's up with that? The case for OIAL is a |triumph of engineering in comparison. hmm...my OIAL and Still Life cases are exactly the same: little hinges. and they sure don't feel sturdy. the best 2-CD case i've seen is Marillion's Made Again...which opens from the right hand side. wtf are we complaining about cases?@! oh wait...we're jammers. my fault. i've only listened to both discs twice. i like em. and they have solidified my belief that Awake and I&W are far better than FII. ToT sounds like it should have been on Awake. and maybe i'm getting old, or slowly removing myself from the prog realm, but these solos are getting tedious. yeah, they're good n stuff, but i know i'll be skipping them in future listens. np: marill10n - radiat10n -- john jens + email_address_removed + http://www2.webzone.net/~jjens ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 09:43:04 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo To: email_address_removed, YTSEJAM Subject: UaGM / Scarred Message-ID: Greg wrote: >I'd been lurking on this list for FOUR years and now, after mistakenly >typing UAGM instead of Scarred (in reference to the missing guitar >solo), I feel like such an idiot that I'm turning the lurk mode back on. >In another four years I'll try again. Hey, no biggie. Mistakes are mistakes - we all make 'em. As far as Scarred goes, I agree with you. Later, - Joe D. email_address_removed Magellan on ICQ (# 1872723), and IRC chat ************************************************************************** Just another Sunday morning / Seen my diary on the newsstand Seems we've lost the truth to quicksand / It's a shame no one is praying 'Cause these voices in my heard keep sayin'... / "Love, just don't stare Reveal the word when you're supposed to" - Dream Theater "Voices" (lyrics by John Petrucci) ************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:40:48 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Funny things in 5YiaL Message-ID: In a message dated 98-11-02 07:48:47 EST, you write: << Absolutely LOVED the behind-the-scenes shit ... I wonder how many marshmallows Mike actually had in his mouth there ;). >> I was wondering how many too. But they look like smarties ya know the stuff you always got too much of when trick or treating. Two other things I noticed..... the silent man John Myung actually smiled I couldn't believe it myself. If you watch verrry carfully during Damage Inc. right after MP sticks out his tongue it's quick but he does smile. The other thing is DS, was he trying to dance like James Brown or Jerry Lewis??? Anyway he's rather goofy, I get the feeling that DS and Mike get into a lot of trouble together! I also loved the vid and hope there are more in the future, thanks Mike! Just another $0.02 added to the ever growing penny collection, Juli ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 15:58:43 +0100 From: "Dennis Leeflang" To: "YTSEJAM MAILINGLIST" Subject: Re: Rare MTV Interview with Portnoy -- WTF?!? Message-ID: <000701be0671$4af20a40$message_id_removed.nl> Bogie wrote in Ytsejam digest 4388: Nope, I didn't...... Wrong kinda amusement... Stickmaster D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 10:21:20 -0500 From: Nick Bogovich To: email_address_removed Subject: DT CDs WANTED Message-ID: Hey everyone, I'm looking for a few Dream Theater CDs...if you can help me out, I'd appreciate it. The CDs I'm looking for are: -Live Bonus Tracks (4 track promo CD offered only in France.) -Touring Into Infinity and Beyond (3 track European FII tour promo CD) -Live in Long Island II (bootleg from I&W tour) Please email me with your asking price if you are willing to sell these to me. Thanks, Bogie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 10:32:35 -0500 From: Rick Barkhouse To: email_address_removed Subject: Online CD companies Message-ID: Hey guys, Has anyone ever ordered CDs from either M&M Progressive Rock (http://www.mandmmusic.com) or The Artist Shop (http://www.artist-shop.com)? Both of these sites have a CD I'm interested in (Doane Perry's "Thread"), but I don't have any experience with either of these places. Any info would be apprecieated, thanks. Rick Barkhouse "Through nature's inflexible grace, I'm learning to live." - Dream Theater ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 15:59:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Graham Borland To: YtseJam Subject: OiaL in the UK Message-ID: UK Jammers: HMV in Glasgow has OiaL in stock (several copies) at ukp 23.99 each. Ouch! No sign of the video yet. I would have ordered it from CD Now, or somewhere similar, for about half the price, but I want to make the point (in my own insignificant way) to British shops and record companies that there might just be a market for DT. :-) Paying over the odds is, sadly, the price of fanaticism. Graham, the sweaty-palmed salivating fanatic. -- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 11:57:55 -0500 From: Phil Carter To: The Divine Wings of Ytse Subject: Re: Bernie Versailles' solos, a 'do it yourself' explanation Message-ID: Greetings ye 'jamanoids... Nathan R. remarked: > Some people have asked which solos were performed by Bernie >Versailles on the new Fates disc, _Still Life_. Its not that hard to >figure them out yourself, simply pop in disc 2 and don the headphones. >Jim is allocated to Stage Right, so his guitar sound will come through >the left channel of your cans. Bernie's, therefore, will come through >the right channel. No offence, but is this really that difficult to >figure out? For those of us who never got to see the FW shows with two guitarists, yes, it is. Jim Matheos was the only onstage guitarist when Fates hit my hometown. Bernie was added on a later leg of the tour. How am I to guess where Jim was onstage when Bernie was playing too? Psychic powers? ta, Phil ================================================== Phil Carter -- Usefulware Tech Support -- email_address_removed "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 12:33:31 -0500 From: The I-Man To: DT Mailing List Subject: Bogie's bogus interview Message-ID: 1. Not funny, at all. 2. In very poor taste 3. No, I didn't enjoy it Nuff said, I-Man ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:53:55 -0500 From: "Jeremy Kube" To: Subject: OiaL, 5YiaL Message-ID: <001201be0689$cbd6f0e0$message_id_removed> Hey all, I've been really busy.. but here is my take on the live album... It's awesome!! Why? You ask? It's a perfect representation of what you get when you go to a DT concert, minus the cigarrette smoke and B.O. of other concertgoers! I was truly happy to hear DT play "To Live Forever" on 5YiaL, I was disappointed that they didn't on OiaL.. but at least I have it on VHS... Can't get the damn lie single! Jeremy Kube email_address_removed email_address_removed email_address_removed "This Job would rule if it weren't for the f*$king customers!" Randall in "Clerks" "If I had breasts, I would never leave the house, ever." John Perreault ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 13:15:19 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: EVENT-Innovative Progressive Rock Message-ID: Hello Progressive Music Lovers, The Band EVENT invites you to check out their newly updated website, The Official EVENT Website (www.mysticfishook.com) and experience the newest wave of Progressive music. The Band's CD is currently being sold in the USA, Japan , South America , and is being released in Europe in January of 1999 . The website contains sound clips, bios, pictures, links, and general info. For those of you that love bands such as Dream Theater, Queensryche, Steve Vai, Fates Warning, Yes, RUSH etc... we feel confident that you will add EVENT to your growing list of favorite bands for the 90's. Please stop in and have a look around the site. Email back with comments, criticisms, and expectations for what you would like to see in the next phases of music. As always... If you wish not to recieve mail about our band, please reply back and you will be removed immediately. We are glad that there are people worldwide that share our interest in Progressive Rock, and we hope to make the family larger in the next year. Thank you for your time, Peace everyone, and we hope to hear from you soon. Take Care--- Matt EVENT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 14:58:00 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro To: Ytsejam Mailing list Subject: Yet another OIAL review (kinda long) Message-ID: First of all, thanx to DT and of course Mp for this awesome album... So... heres my thoughts: On terms of contents.. this is THE Dt cd to get, specially for people who only own one or so DT albums, getting sort of a "best of".... Performance wise, I think everyone truly does a great job, and like everyone has said before, Derek truly SHINES here...not only because we can actually hear him, but his keyboard work just seems much more focused than other times ive heard him on the FII tour...( im not saying he didnt focus, just that here he seems to be MORE focused ) My gripes: ( hey everyone has them ) Production wise, i cant really point out what i DONT like... it just sounds "wierd" to me... i dont know why... maybe with time ill know what exactly i mean by "wierd".... for example.. ok , derek's keys are really high in the mix, which i totally LOVE, but sometimes they go a little TOO high for a few seconds (usually leads) then drop out quickly (when turning to pads or chords whatever ) sounds kinda unnatural, like if KS just decided "hey here comes a lead lemme turn up" then quickly turn down after... also... Jp sounds SO distorted, like hes breaking up all the time..specially on his solo track...that kind of got to me... even on the quiet parts of his solo it sounded distorted ( the audio not the guitar ) as for Mike's drums..well they sound very clear..every hi hat nuance is there..that rocks... although i agree with what damon said about them sounding with less tonal qualities than before..... Ok so enough about gripes.. THIS CD JUST ROCKS! I know it wont leave my cd player for a LONG time!, hell FII is still there! Cant wait to receive the video! "[...] people will cringe..." - John Petrucci In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. 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